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How long before adding Sta-Bil?

How long after your bike sits should you think about adding fuel stabilizer? Lately I've been going long stretches without riding, for one reason or another. I don't want to cause unnecessary damage.

Also, will frequent use of fuel stabilizer create problems?
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I would only use it if I knew the bike or whatever vehicle is going to be stored for months at a time.

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I would say within 30 days...Golden Eagle doesn't give a recommendation on its site

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I would only use it if I knew the bike or whatever vehicle is going to be stored for months at a time.
My wife's ride is STA-BIL'd and now hibernating for the offseason. I'll be riding for another month then away she goes.
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I think anything under a month is ok. Also a good idea to keep the tank full if it will be sitting for a while. Less area inside the tank to draw moisture and corrode.
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I have news for you guys... your gasoline sits in the tanks for quite sometime, alot longer than 1 month... and it doesn't go bad... over thinking it...

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If you don't use STA BIL and don't fill up the tank, how fast will corrosion/rust appear? I ask because I will be pulling all the plastics for some minor repair/modifications as well as the tank for painting during the winter but I didn't want to bring the tank in the house. I am planning on leaving it in my shed with as little fuel as possible until painting (February). In that time (approx. 4-5 months) can I expect corrosion/rust in my tank to be an issue?
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I only put that stuff in when the bike was up for the winter..which last year and the year before I have been so tempted to go for a ride in 30 degree whether.


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I only put that stuff in when the bike was up for the winter..which last year and the year before I have been so tempted to go for a ride in 30 degree whether.
Allot of my winter rides start and finish in 30 degree weather.

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If you don't use STA BIL and don't fill up the tank, how fast will corrosion/rust appear? I ask because I will be pulling all the plastics for some minor repair/modifications as well as the tank for painting during the winter but I didn't want to bring the tank in the house. I am planning on leaving it in my shed with as little fuel as possible until painting (February). In that time (approx. 4-5 months) can I expect corrosion/rust in my tank to be an issue?
I would drain the tank completely, take the cap off, let air dry, then store it in the house till ready for paint.

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I have news for you guys... your gasoline sits in the tanks for quite sometime, alot longer than 1 month... and it doesn't go bad... over thinking it...
Not my gas...I push a tank a week at least..."wut u talkin 'bout Willis?"
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Real gasoline tanks at tank farms.... the place that the refinery puts the gas after the refining process and where it is stored before the semi truck picks it up to take it to your gas station... those gas tanks!

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Real gasoline tanks at tank farms.... the place that the refinery puts the gas after the refining process and where it is stored before the semi truck picks it up to take it to your gas station... those gas tanks!
Ya but those tanks are lined to protect the metal. Using sta-bil is not overthinking anything. I clean carbs every spring for friends who thought that way.
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The floors are lined but not the tank sides themselves... hey I'm just being the devil's advocate... I use stabil in my bike every year as well.... and in my gas for my generators and other gas powered stuff...

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I would drain the tank completely, take the cap off, let air dry, then store it in the house till ready for paint.
So I drained the tank but there is still a small amount that remains....How do get the last little bit of gas out?
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I only bother if I'm storing something for > 60 days without running it once.

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The floors are lined but not the tank sides themselves... hey I'm just being the devil's advocate... I use stabil in my bike every year as well.... and in my gas for my generators and other gas powered stuff...
Whoa, whoa...this is my field here fellahs...
Gasman, if the tank is lined with any coating (Epoxy...it's like Teflon), ALL components of the tank are coated. That includes the suction pipe, the vent pipe, the inlet pipe, the floor, sides, the gauging system whether automatic or manual. API (American Petroleum Institute) 650 and 653 states this. This of course applies to new tank construction and alteration of older tanks. All underground storage tanks without secondary containment were required to be replaced in the 90's. So...all your gas stations have NEW tanks...epoxy coated of course. At any rate, gasoline in the tanks that are filled from barges, truck, tank-car or cross country pipeline doesn't sit for months. The world uses so much fuel the amount is staggering. Our 250,000 gallon bulk gasoline tank that feeds the 5,000 gallon gas station tank has to be refilled twice a month. That's over 500,000 gallons of gas for a fleet of <2500 vehicles. I can't tell you what the local Amoco does, sorry. I bet it isn't too far off however. As for how long gasoline actually burns...it'll *burn* after years of storage. Sta-bil is an alcohol mixture that mixes with water and gas. Petroleum products don't mix with water hence the rainbows on the pavement. That's where "it just won't run right" comes in when the carbs are adjusted, the air filter is clean, the plugs are good...how 'bout the fuel? The problem is, after 3-6 months, gasoline alone doesn't burn effectively. It'll burn yeah, but not the way it should. The probelm comes from carbon atoms losing um...power? (carbon dating). What power? Don't ask me. Ask a chemist how that whole thing works. Anyway, the alcohol in Sta-Bil mixes with the water (from condensation) and gasoline to make it more flammable...hence supporting combustion. You could put a 25 cent bottle of isopropyl alcohol in your tank and achieve the same results. Smell old gas sometime...it smells...well, old. It won't burn as well. Carburators (sp?) can handle it with a choke adjustment...that's why your lawn mower will start, but it won't burn the way it should. Your plugs will be fouled a bit. As soon as you put fresh gas in however, it'll clean your plugs just like new (provided your carb is set right). Anyway, yes, if you're going to store your bike for the winter(or more than three months), put Sta-Bil in...it won't hurt a thing. Like Bandit said, keep the tank full. Air space draws moisture. If you want to drain it, fine. Take the cap off, the remaining gas will evaporate. As for how long it takes to corrode? Well, gas tanks in cars and bikes aren't coated (I wouldn't think so at least) so how long does it take for that scratch on your door to rust? Too fast in other words. Keep your tank full when it sits, add your Sta-Bil (READ THE RATIO!!!! TOO MUCH IS BAD) and ride happy!

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Whoa, whoa...this is my field here fellahs...
Gasman, if the tank is lined with any coating (Epoxy...it's like Teflon), ALL components of the tank are coated. That includes the suction pipe, the vent pipe, the inlet pipe, the floor, sides, the gauging system whether automatic or manual. API (American Petroleum Institute) 650 and 653 states this. This of course applies to new tank construction and alteration of older tanks. All underground storage tanks without secondary containment were required to be replaced in the 90's. So...all your gas stations have NEW tanks...epoxy coated of course. At any rate, gasoline in the tanks that are filled from barges, truck, tank-car or cross country pipeline doesn't sit for months. The world uses so much fuel the amount is staggering. Our 250,000 gallon bulk gasoline tank that feeds the 5,000 gallon gas station tank has to be refilled twice a month. That's over 500,000 gallons of gas for a fleet of <2500 vehicles. I can't tell you what the local Amoco does, sorry. I bet it isn't too far off however. As for how long gasoline actually burns...it'll *burn* after years of storage. Sta-bil is an alcohol mixture that mixes with water and gas. Petroleum products don't mix with water hence the rainbows on the pavement. That's where "it just won't run right" comes in when the carbs are adjusted, the air filter is clean, the plugs are good...how 'bout the fuel? The problem is, after 3-6 months, gasoline alone doesn't burn effectively. It'll burn yeah, but not the way it should. The probelm comes from carbon atoms losing um...power? (carbon dating). What power? Don't ask me. Ask a chemist how that whole thing works. Anyway, the alcohol in Sta-Bil mixes with the water (from condensation) and gasoline to make it more flammable...hence supporting combustion. You could put a 25 cent bottle of isopropyl alcohol in your tank and achieve the same results. Smell old gas sometime...it smells...well, old. It won't burn as well. Carburators (sp?) can handle it with a choke adjustment...that's why your lawn mower will start, but it won't burn the way it should. Your plugs will be fouled a bit. As soon as you put fresh gas in however, it'll clean your plugs just like new (provided your carb is set right). Anyway, yes, if you're going to store your bike for the winter(or more than three months), put Sta-Bil in...it won't hurt a thing. Like Bandit said, keep the tank full. Air space draws moisture. If you want to drain it, fine. Take the cap off, the remaining gas will evaporate. As for how long it takes to corrode? Well, gas tanks in cars and bikes aren't coated (I wouldn't think so at least) so how long does it take for that scratch on your door to rust? Too fast in other words. Keep your tank full when it sits, add your Sta-Bil (READ THE RATIO!!!! TOO MUCH IS BAD) and ride happy!
How long does it take for the gas to evaporate? I had my tank sitting on my back porch with gas cap open for 48 hours and the gas hadn't evaporated. I put the tank back in my shed this morning and locked the cap (didn't want any critters climbing in). Like I previously stared, I want to bring the tank in the house asap to prevent any corrosion to the tank. I guess I'll have to remove the cap, turn it upside down and empty the remaining fuel through the filler hole.
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