buells

i really like the way that buells look and sound, i was just wondering how fast are they compared to other streetbikes. i bet all that torque makes wheelies a joke.

i really like the way that buells look and sound, i was just wondering how fast are they compared to other streetbikes. i bet all that torque makes wheelies a joke. See if you can find a tape/dvd of this year's (2006) Daytona 200...that should answer your question...especially about the tire changes and brakes...

i really like the way that buells look and sound, i was just wondering how fast are they compared to other streetbikes. i bet all that torque makes wheelies a joke. The XB12R is one awesome machine. Yeah it cant do 180 mph like all the other superbikes, but that thing comes up on one wheel like there is no tomorrow. :cheers:

Eric Buell was just in town defacing people's buells at the world's largest burnout this past weekend.

how was that, i saw the signs when we were there

how was that, i saw the signs when we were there they have pics on killboy.com, I didn't participate. I just got my powers, I like them just the way they are, I am not going to F them up with a burnout.

i could justify wasting a good set of tires on a burnout either

i could justify wasting a good set of tires on a burnout either :iagree: I dont have that kinda jack.

i really like the way that buells look and sound, i was just wondering how fast are they compared to other streetbikes. i bet all that torque makes wheelies a joke. Buells are killer machines. They aren't necessarily for beginners. I dont know your experience, I'm just stating that for the record. I like them alot.

My Kawi is part Buell. I have some Buell Firebolt mirrors on it.

My Kawi is part Buell. I have some Buell Firebolt mirrors on it. So does that make your bike a 'mutt' ?

So does that make your bike a 'mutt' ? :lol: :lol: :lol: I guess you could say that. Also thinking of doing the 636 swing arm mod and a Z1000 tail section.

definately a mutt... But hey if she performs :idk:

definately a mutt... But hey if she performs :idk: Hey as long as I can get on top of her and she does what I need, who cares what her pedagree is.:wink:

mmmmmkay.. are we still talking bikes, or wandering into beastiality? :leaving:

mmmmmkay.. are we still talking bikes, or wandering into beastiality? :leaving: Boy, your mind in in the gutter this AM!!:skep:

Getting this back on track: http://www.buell.com/common/07/firebolt/XB12R/gallery/584/new5.jpg

You're the one who threw the winkie in after pedagree :idk: :leaving:

Getting this back on track: http://www.buell.com/common/07/firebolt/XB12R/gallery/584/new5.jpg Love the red rims, is that stock?

You're the one who threw the winkie in after pedagree :idk: :leaving: :jacked: http://www.buell.com/common/07/firebolt/XB12R/gallery/584/new8.jpg

Love the red rims, is that stock? Yep...07 dead stock, red screen and wheels.

What do Buells go for? How much is the 12?

Looking at the windscreen, can some one explain the difference between a stock windscreen and a double bubble... everybody talks abou them, and I've found them on the websites. But never having had my hands on them, I can't visualize the difference... if this belongs in one of the definition threads, feel free to move it before answereing.

What do Buells go for? How much is the 12? $10,495. -XB12r $8,895 -xb9r

Looking at the windscreen, can some one explain the difference between a stock windscreen and a double bubble... everybody talks abou them, and I've found them on the websites. But never having had my hands on them, I can't visualize the difference... if this belongs in one of the definition threads, feel free to move it before answereing. Damn, I thought I had pics on this computer to show you the difference vs. stock. Let me see what I can find...

$10,495. -XB12r $8,895 -xb9r Thanks. They seem reasonable, but I'd spend the extra 1K and get a I4 1K.

Thanks. They seem reasonable, but I'd spend the extra 1K and get a I4 1K. I wouldn't. I'd go buell over an I4 liter. Too much crazy power for me from the I4.

Hope this helps... Double Bubble http://www.twowheelforum.com/photopost/direct_data/522/medium/Picture_214.jpg Stock http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/products/mcy/500/06YZFR6_black_1sized.jpg

That could very well be my next bike. Not sold on a twin yet, but the bike looks cool as hell, and it already matches my gear.

Hope this helps... Double Bubble http://www.twowheelforum.com/photopost/direct_data/522/medium/Picture_214.jpg Stock http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/products/mcy/500/06YZFR6_black_1sized.jpg http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/images/smilies/bowdownr6.gif

On the sport bikes, they're wind screens are getting better. No more flat profile anymore. I actually put my stock one back on for recording video purposes and it's not too much shorter than the DB. it's kinda hard to tell from the pics, but the DB is a little taller so it's easier and more effective when you tuck. it's a little harder to get completely under the DB.

http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/images/smilies/bowdownr6.gif :iagree:

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:jacked: Let's get er back on track again... http://www.buell.com/common/07/firebolt/XB12R/gallery/584/new6.jpg

Anyone know what the HP and torque would be on the XB12R?

Getting this back on track: http://www.buell.com/common/07/firebolt/XB12R/gallery/584/new5.jpg I'm definately more partial to the red...

I'm definately more partial to the red... Yeah I like that one alot.

I'm definately more partial to the red... I would certainly fix the headlights so they are both on when on low beams.

Anyone know what the HP and torque would be on the XB12R? Torque: 84 ft. lbs. @ 6000 RPM HP: 103 HP @ 6800 RPM from the buell website.

I would certainly fix the headlights so they are both on when on low beams. :withstupi

I like this shot: http://www.buell.com/common/07/firebolt/XB12R/gallery/584/new9.jpg

next bike is def going to be a buell, i love the sound the twin, i heard it at the gap when they went up the hill and it was sick

Torque: 84 ft. lbs. @ 6000 RPM HP: 103 HP @ 6800 RPM from the buell website. My bike has more HP but that has double the torque.

Torque: 84 ft. lbs. @ 6000 RPM HP: 103 HP @ 6800 RPM from the buell website. The HP is about the same as my 750 but its got about 30ft.lbs more torque

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My bike has more HP but that has double the torque. HP sells bikes and torque wins races. I love the Buells! And that 12R is HOTT! I have rode one and it was a load of fun. The only part that sucks... is the hott exhaust on the right ankle!

A bike mag once here gave me the Buell for tests, the bike has alot of torque. It was alot of fun that bike, i remember when i first tried to wheel it, it went straight to 12 oclock.. wheelies and stoppies on that bike make an amatuer look pro.

A friend of mine had the 12 but he traded it in for the 1000RR. He was always saying the everyone was checking out our bikes and not his...:scratch:

A friend of mine had the 12 but he traded it in for the 1000RR. He was always saying the everyone was checking out our bikes and not his...:scratch: :lol:

A friend of mine had the 12 but he traded it in for the 1000RR. He was always saying the everyone was checking out our bikes and not his...:scratch: Good. I dont want the attention.:2cents:

Sorry I'm late for the party, but can you blame me? It's hard keeping up with all of the threads in this Buell forum! :skep: As I've stated before about Buells... fast: no; quick: yes. The difference is between the straight and the crooked bits. Yes, the torque is absurd as you suggest. It's what makes Buells so much fun to ride! But be careful... I saw a guy flip his Lightning over at Bike Nite trying to wheelie. :bonk: (:yup: to Marko; they're not for beginners.) I keep 2 fingers on the brake lever at all times, not just to be ready for surprises, but also to help modulate the throttle. (Kills 2 birds with 1 stone, which is very much part of Buell's philosophy. :wink: ) And the front brake is pretty good too, so squeeze progressively or you will have the opposite problem. :yikes: The inside out front brake rotor does make front wheel removal a little tricky, but what bumblebee failed to mention is that McWilliams had problems with a tire change at the Daytona 200 because his crew used the wrong jack stand. Regardless, ease and speed of wheel removal should only be a concern if you are looking for a bike to go endurance racing, so don't worry about it, particularly if you don't do your own tire changes. This does bring up an important point, however. Buells are fundamentally different motorcycles, and also aim to be superior street bikes instead of superior race bikes. Therefore, many other riders just don't or won't understand them. This, of course, means that they mock them, so you have to be able to ignore this :wbs:. It is really a minor issue, but worth mentioning. The only time you will probably sense it is on Internet boards (like this one), and some motorcycle gatherings. For example, crusiers don't appreciate any sport bikes, and crotch rocket pilots who make purchasing decisions based off someone else's track day results don't like Buells, so don't expect to win Bike of the Week at the cruise-in or anything like that. But if you aim to impress, women and kids love Buells, so you're covered there. :nana: Gas Man, the stock exhaust dumps on the left side, while the race exhaust dumps on both. So in stock configuration, the exhaust keeps your left side warm while the headers cook your right. :crazy: But I wear riding pants, and while you might think that would be hotter, it seems to shield the heat better than just jeans.

rep worthy :dthumb:

Shark.. sorry... it was a year ago the last time I rode the buell. But the left sounds worse... Considering that's the foot I usually put down!

With exception of the Blast. I agree that the Buells aren't for beginners.

Not by a long shot.

Shark.. sorry... it was a year ago the last time I rode the buell. But the left sounds worse... Considering that's the foot I usually put down! I'm with you there, I wish it dumped on the right. I figured they were worried about heating the belt up too much, but that doesn't explain the race exhaust that dumps on both sides. :idk:

I'm with you there, I wish it dumped on the right. I figured they were worried about heating the belt up too much, but that doesn't explain the race exhaust that dumps on both sides. :idk: If your good enough to have race exhaust. You shouldn't be going slow enough for it to heat up.

If your good enough to have race exhaust. You shouldn't be going slow enough for it to heat up. That must be it. :lol:

Most folks get an exhaust upgrade upon buying buell. Many get the race kit since it is dealer supplied/installed. It sounds good, and performs very well (slight increases in tq &hp, and smooting out the tq curve a bit) I opted for a modification of my stock pipe. I also got the race ecm to deal with the lean condition that followed the 'new' pipe and K&N filter addition. Pretty much all aftermarket pipes, and mods of the stock one, places the outlet in a place where it does not blow on your foot. I never really had much of a problem with the stock one, but I have long legs, so my foot was probably a little further from the outlet. Here is what mine looks like, minus the upgraded exhaust, and frame pucks. http://www.twowheelforum.com/photopost/direct_data/525/medium/buell_bkgnd.jpg

OK Rat... but where are the after pics?

I LOVE the transparent bodywork on the new buells.

I LOVE the transparent bodywork on the new buells. :withstupi

I LOVE the transparent bodywork on the new buells. I'm not sure about the looks but its different and that goes right along with the whole Buell concept.

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I LOVE the transparent bodywork on the new buells. :iagree: :withstupi :cheers:

What do you guys think about the Ulysses? I sat on one... Dang things are TALL!!! I don't really like the back seat section, but the flip up back rest thingy was neat... Liked the seating position...

What do you guys think about the Ulysses? I sat on one... Dang things are TALL!!! The '07 model is shorter. I have not ridden one, but in every Uly review I have seen they raved about it.

The '07 model is shorter. I have not ridden one, but in every Uly review I have seen they raved about it. I read the same... EVERYWHERE....

I read the same... EVERYWHERE.... Nice sig.

just my thoughts but for the money you can buy much more for the money. Sure the make slightly more torque but they're low top end sucks. With 200 more cc's they should kick A**. They don't. I personally don't like the style of the buells nor do I like the antiquated technology they use to make there bikes run. Carbs are old tech, and pushrods are for the 70's. Harley needs to take a serious step into the future and embrace new engine tech or face being left behind. There are much better and more reliable bikes with better technology supporting them than the buell, namely Honda, Suzuki,Yamaha and Kawasaki. Let's be serious, The zx-14 puts out 175 horses at the wheel and 106 lbs of torque with less then 200 cc's more than Buell's best. Honestly most 600's will match or at least beat the hp of a 1200cc Buell and come close to the Tq, and that's with double the cc's. If Buells were the best thing they would sell better than everything else, fact is there not, nor will they ever be. Most dealers dont' sell them, ask yourself why???? Last I checked Buell's best reached a top speed of around 135,145, that just plain sucks. That means with a 1000rr I can smoke you on a Buell in second gear. Lousy for the money if you ask me. Buell is quick to talk about why there brakes are so much better, and there frame design is so much better, but ask yourself one thing, If it's so much better than why are none of the big names copying them? I'll tell you why because it's marketing b.s. If it was the next best thing to sliced bread than everybody would do it, yet in all the years Buell has done it no one copies them. Why? Cause it's a gimmick. V-twins are not in the same league as I4's. They both have there advantages and disadvantages. Bottom line if you like the Buell then buy one. If you want ultimate performance look elsewhere. Just my 2 cents.

Listen bud...do some research before you spout off specs. The Buells aren't carbed. They are FI'd. And a 600's torque doesn't hold a candle to a Buells. Example: 06 GSXR 600---44 ft lbs 07 Buell xb12r--84 ft lbs. Thats almost double. No one here said they were the most techinallogically advanced bikes on the planet. Some guys are looking to stand out in a crowd...a 1000rr won't get you that. Also, some guys are looking to do 186 mph. The nature of a V-twin is not top end. It's all perspective. There's nothing wrong with not liking a certain kind of bike. Different stroke for different folks.

That's exactly what I said. You want to look different then ride a Buell it's obviously not for speed or performance. I personally won't respect anyone that rides one, not due to the fact that they ride one just the fact that they could have bought alot more bike for the money. As far as the carb'd verse FI so what if they are FI. And yeah a 600 will hold merit to a Buell, Considering that a 600 will do 155 or better stock and a Buell with double the cc's will do 135 (roughly) I think that holds merit. Also why can't buell compete on even terms with the I4 in MotoGP? Cause there tech can't hang. That's the truth. It hurts but it's true. Also if were going to talk about 1200 cc machines let's talk about an RC211v, with just a little less than 1000 cc's it smokes the buell in every category, hp and tq. Yeah you'll probably say "but it's a race bike" well then compare buell's race bike to it and it still will smoke it. And like I said the v-twin can't compete against I4's it's not it's nature. Also I said buy what you like, but if it's all out performance then look elsewhere than Buell.

And yeah a 600 will hold merit to a Buell, Considering that a 600 will do 155 or better stock and a Buell with double the cc's will do 135 (roughly) I think that holds merit. Torque and top speed are different. I was talking torque...replying to what you said in your first post. --->and come close to the Tq, and that's with double the cc's.

So what is the point then? that torque is all that matters? why is it then that a 01' F4I can have 95.5hp and 42.6 ft/lbs tq with a 10.71 qtr mile and a 03' XB12S with 92.2 hp and 71.9 ft/lbs tq (almost a 30 ft/lbs difference) has a 11.38 qtr mile. The F4I is faster not only in the quarter but in top speed also. Sounds to me like you get alot more bike for the money out of the F4I. Considering that it's cheaper, more reliable, faster, and lighter, minus the fact that it's 600cc's less than what it's competing against. The facts are stacked against Buell. That's a fact. Just in case all your wondering all the stats came from Motor Cyclist Magazine, Hard Numbers.

Bro...I'm saying, for me, top speed, 1/4 mile times don't make a single bit of difference when I'm looking at bikes. I like my power where I can use it. Low and mid range. I dont cruise the city streets at 180 mph. I don't run in a straight line...so I dont care if a bike will blast down a straight at 10 secords or 12. I like twisties and lots of them...so I would get a bike with more usuable power. Torque wins races. That is a fact.

Fact is quarter mile times relate directly to the street, as in stoplight to stoplight. Overall more torque and more hp mean a faster bike. Yeah the powerband may be spread out but it just needs to be used in a different way then a v-twin. A 1000rr makes more torque and more hp than a Buell with 200cc's more and weighs 4lbs more. That says something for Honda tech. Also torque doesn't win races, skill and technique do. A bike is nothing without a rider that knows how to handle it. All the hp and tq in the world won't win races without skill and technique. Think what you want about torque but it's not everything and if torque was the case for wins then why is it that almost all the wins lately in racing were won by I4's?? And why doesn't Buell race against the I4's on even terms? with a 1000cc motor? Because they can't make the power to be competetive with 1000cc. that's why. I have ridden inlines and v-twins and never have I ever had a problem with power being there when I needed it, it was more a matter of riding each bike at it's intended rpm and using the motor properly. I also don't believe that v-twins corner any better than I4's or handle any better, nor has any articles or magazines proven otherwise.

Bro...I'm saying, for me, top speed, 1/4 mile times don't make a single bit of difference when I'm looking at bikes. I like my power where I can use it. Low and mid range. I dont cruise the city streets at 180 mph. I don't run in a straight line...so I dont care if a bike will blast down a straight at 10 secords or 12. I like twisties and lots of them...so I would get a bike with more usuable power. Torque wins races. That is a fact. :iagree: :withstupi Usable torque is the key here. Who cares about top end speed and what a 1/4 mile will do on the streets. I want the bike that when I am cruising in 4th gear at 50 mph I can throttle it and it takes of instead of waiting for it to get to its powerband.

I don't ride stoplight to stoplight. I prefer a twisty road.

Wow, I disagree with so much of what you are saying that it would be easier for me to address what you said that I do agree with. So here it is... This: V-twins are not in the same league as I4's. They both have there advantages and disadvantages. And this: A bike is nothing without a rider that knows how to handle it. All the hp and tq in the world won't win races without skill and technique. And those two comments basically serve to invalidate all of your other points. Thank you for visiting the Buell forum. Have a nice day. :disapp:

Buells; and this goes for any other "badazz" sport bikes from the Land of the Rising Sun, are as fast as the riders who pilot them.:wink: If you can't ride, then even a Ninja 14 won't help you. If you can ride, then a Ninja 250 will do just fine. Buells are very different animals. The handling and the engine's characteristics are very unique. Most people who demo ride these bikes (myself included) aren't used to the way the power is delivered on- or off-throttle (for a V-twin it has very little engine braking), so they came back with negative reports. Yes, there are bikes that are faster and cheaper and far more technologically advanced. But how many of us are good enough to take advantage of these superior characteristics? It's pretty darn embarassing to be riding a CBRGIXXERNINJA liter bike and get dusted by some old fart on an aircooled twin. :yikes: And also it's true that the XBRR aren't doing too well in races. Erik Buell doesn't have the money that the Japanese Big Four have in order to do serious R&D work. So, his bikes aren't as good. But at least he's trying. Ride and let's live.

Hey fnfalman, who are you calling an old fart? :wink: BTW, Cycle Connection Buell (http://www.cycleconnectionh-d.com/) (Joplin, MO) has an XBRR that I have the pleasure of watching in action during track days at Hallett. The first time they brought it to the track for testing, their best time was a 1:23, and they have room to build on that as they continue their tests. Here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2932395251318663847&hl=en) is a video of Jason Pridmore on his Gixxer at the same track. If you watch the clock and when he crosses the start/finish line, he is running about the same (1:24). Oh, and this video does not capture the 1:23 lap, but here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2102286135669116497&q=xbrr&hl=en%20%20%20%5C) is the XBRR in action. Say, what are all those bikes it's passing? :zowned:

All I can say is that I really like the buells! They are neat and different.

All I can say is that I really like the buells! They are neat and different. :withstupi It's like saying you should buy Great Dane vs. an English Bulldog... Yeah it's more dog for the money, but I think the Bulldogs are cooler... I dunno about you guys, but I ride on the street and could give two s's and an f about going 150mph... I just want to have fun...

If you don't like Buells, don't buy one, simple as that. I would like a nickel for each of the GIXXERs I pass in the corners on track days with my XB9R. A lot of bike mags are saying the XB's are the BEST handling bikes in the world. Ride what you want, buy what you want but don't bad-mouth someone elses ride, just ride. Of course, if you keep your mouth shut, you catch less bugs.

i really like the way that buells look and sound, i was just wondering how fast are they compared to other streetbikes. i bet all that torque makes wheelies a joke. dude, buell are all naked bikes...I would take anything over a buell. I hate Eric Buell I could do a better job on bike design than him!!:bash:

If you don't like Buells, don't buy one, simple as that. I would like a nickel for each of the GIXXERs I pass in the corners on track days with my XB9R. A lot of bike mags are saying the XB's are the BEST handling bikes in the world. Ride what you want, buy what you want but don't bad-mouth someone elses ride, just ride. Of course, if you keep your mouth shut, you catch less bugs. F that man... we need pics! :dthumb: Just razzin ya man... but bring some pics!

I hate Eric Buell I could do a better job on bike design than him!!:bash: Let me know where your bikes can be bought and I'll look at them as open-minded as you apparently are.

I'd post pics if I could figure out how.

Let me know where your bikes can be bought and I'll look at them as open-minded as you apparently are. :iagree: Milotupy...http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/owned2.gif

If you don't like Buells, don't buy one, simple as that. I would like a nickel for each of the GIXXERs I pass in the corners on track days with my XB9R. A lot of bike mags are saying the XB's are the BEST handling bikes in the world. Ride what you want, buy what you want but don't bad-mouth someone elses ride, just ride. Of course, if you keep your mouth shut, you catch less bugs. :yup:

I've been out of touch on the amatuer racing scene. Has buel been finishing up in the podium? I'm not sure which class they would be competing in. -a|ex

Let me know where your bikes can be bought and I'll look at them as open-minded as you apparently are. Dude, I went to the harley davidson dealership....I looked at the buells, I'm not talking about performance because I've never spent time with one, but as far as looks and design! the only reason why buell is still on the drawing board is because it's the only american sportbike manufacturer in exsistance. I would love to design bike for buell because it's just a shame! I'm sorry..I wish it could be different:idk:

Dude, I went to the harley davidson dealership....I looked at the buells, I'm not talking about performance because I've never spent time with one, but as far as looks and design! the only reason why buell is still on the drawing board is because it's the only american sportbike manufacturer in exsistance. I would love to design bike for buell because it's just a shame! I'm sorry..I wish it could be different:idk: Different strokes for different folks... Personally, I think the Buells are badazz...

Dude, I went to the harley davidson dealership....I looked at the buells, I'm not talking about performance because I've never spent time with one, but as far as looks and design! the only reason why buell is still on the drawing board is because it's the only american sportbike manufacturer in exsistance. I would love to design bike for buell because it's just a shame! I'm sorry..I wish it could be different:idk: That's not totally true... there is another one.... I just can't think of it.... somebody help me out....

That's not totally true... there is another one.... I just can't think of it.... somebody help me out.... motoczysz (http://motoczysz.com/main.htm) is the only one I can think of right now.

I test rode some buells this weekend...making new thread...

motoczysz (http://motoczysz.com/main.htm) is the only one I can think of right now. Yup. Their GP effort will come out next year with the 800's. You don't see buell doing that sh*t. And you know HD has the bank to support a GP effort.

I test rode some buells this weekend...making new thread... Awesome but you better bring pics PUNK! Yup. Their GP effort will come out next year with the 800's. You don't see buell doing that sh*t. And you know HD has the bank to support a GP effort. No doubt... HD has much loot!

An 800cc buell twin would get stomped.

An 800cc buell twin would get stomped. The Duc is a 4 and the Honda is a 5. the Buell doesn't have to be a twin.

The Duc is a 4 and the Honda is a 5. the Buell doesn't have to be a twin. Oh but it does when HD is paying!

The Duc is a 4 and the Honda is a 5. the Buell doesn't have to be a twin. Oh but it does when HD is paying! :iagree: Exactly. It wouldn't be anything but a 45 degree twin.

Oh but it does when HD is paying! Good point.

Good point. Where did GM run off to?:tt:

Where did GM run off to?:tt: He went to go dry clean his hick hat.

He went to go dry clean his hick hat. :lol:

He went to go dry clean his hick hat. You don't dry clean that thing... :screwy: I went to bed... I was up cause of working midnights

.... Carbs are old tech, and pushrods are for the 70's. Harley needs to take a serious step into the future and embrace new engine tech or face being left behind. You may want to check your facts. Buells have been fuel injected for quite a while now. There are much better and more reliable bikes with better technology supporting them than the buell, namely Honda, Suzuki,Yamaha and Kawasaki. Another fact check. Buell reliability is on par with the rest. Let's be serious, The zx-14 puts out 175 horses at the wheel and 106 lbs of torque with less then 200 cc's more than Buell's best. Honestly most 600's will match or at least beat the hp of a 1200cc Buell and come close to the Tq, and that's with double the cc's. If Buells were the best thing they would sell better than everything else, fact is there not, nor will they ever be. Buells were not made to have gobs of hp, and run 160mph+. They were made to be different... and they are. And the last time I checked.. the street is not a racetrack. Most dealers dont' sell them, ask yourself why???? I don't have the numbers here, but I think you may be misinformed on this as well. That's ok though, this seems to be your forte'. But to answer your question. The HD dealers who choose not to sell Buell, mostly choose so because they don't want to sell anything but cruisers. And many of them don't want to be bothered with the 'Sport Bike Crowd'. This is one area where I think Buell could do a much better job. They certainly don't market their bikes well enough. Buell is quick to talk about why there brakes are so much better, and there frame design is so much better, but ask yourself one thing, If it's so much better than why are none of the big names copying them? I'll tell you why because it's marketing b.s. If it was the next best thing to sliced bread than everybody would do it, yet in all the years Buell has done it no one copies them. Why? Cause it's a gimmick. You might want to have a look a the new GSXR750. Under-slung exhaust? Hmm.. One reason behind the I4 manufacturers not going with a fuel in frame design is because of the width of the bike. It just plain won't fit on an I4. The engine is too wide. V-twins are not in the same league as I4's. They both have there advantages and disadvantages. Bottom line if you like the Buell then buy one. If you want ultimate performance look elsewhere. Just my 2 cents. You should have thought about this statement before you posted. Because you have been comparing the two everywhere. It could have kept you from looking like you are incapable of logical thought processes. ... You want to look different then ride a Buell it's obviously not for speed or performance. Actually, the Buell is rated as one of the top cornering bikes... in the world. Again.. you seem to ignore the facts. I personally won't respect anyone that rides one, not due to the fact that they ride one just the fact that they could have bought alot more bike for the money. I certainly don't need your respect, especially if you are so childish that you would base who you respect or not by what type of vehicle they choose to drive. And what I do with my money is in no way any of your concern. As far as the carb'd verse FI so what if they are FI. Well, you were the first to bring this up as if it DID matter. Also why can't buell compete on even terms with the I4 in MotoGP? I'll just let you answer this one yourself... in your own words: V-twins are not in the same league as I4's. They both have there advantages and disadvantages. Well, from reading your rant, a couple of things have become clear. You don't check your facts before talking smak. You don't use much logic while talking smak. You seem to have the opinion that if anyone chooses different things than you, then they are not worthy of respect. These are traits of an adolescent. Face it. Not everyone buys a bike because it is the fastest thing on two wheels. Most of us buy bikes based on the fact that we like what it does, and we have fun riding it. And most of us... now pay attention, this might get confusing for you.. some of us don't give a rat's ass about what you or anyone else rides, as long as you have fun riding it, that is all that matters. After all, we all have the same thing in common.. we like to ride motorcycles.

You may want to check your facts. Buells have been fuel injected for quite a while now. Another fact check. Buell reliability is on par with the rest. Buells were not made to have gobs of hp, and run 160mph+. They were made to be different... and they are. And the last time I checked.. the street is not a racetrack. I don't have the numbers here, but I think you may be misinformed on this as well. That's ok though, this seems to be your forte'. You might want to have a look a the new GSXR750. Under-slung exhaust? Hmm.. One reason behind the I4 manufacturers not going with a fuel in frame design is because of the width of the bike. It just plain won't fit on an I4. The engine is too wide. You should have thought about this statement before you posted. Because you have been comparing the two everywhere. It could have kept you from looking like you are incapable of logical thought processes. Actually, the Buell is rated as one of the top cornering bikes... in the world. Again.. you seem to ignore the facts. I certainly don't need your respect, especially if you are so childish that you would base who you respect or not by what type of vehicle they choose to drive. And what I do with my money is in no way any of your concern. Well, you were the first to bring this up as if it DID matter. I'll just let you answer this one yourself... in your own words. Well, from reading your rant, a couple of things have become clear. You don't check your facts before talking smak. You don't use much logic while talking smak. You seem to have the opinion that if anyone chooses different things than you, then they are not worthy of respect. These are traits of an adolescent. Face it. Not everyone buys a bike because it is the fastest thing on two wheels. Most of us buy bikes based on the fact that we like what it does, and we have fun riding it. And most of us... now pay attention, this might get confusing for you.. some of us don't give a rat's ass about what you or anyone else rides, as long as you have fun riding it, that is all that matters. After all, we all have the same thing in common.. we like to ride motorcycles. An absolutely tremendous post. Very well put. THANKS! Reps added. :clap:

OK Rat... but where are the after pics? I need to be off the bike long enough to get the updated pictures! :drool: Actually, I just remembered. You can go to my site and see update pictars. http://www.russtyson.com/buell_project.html The two at the bottom are the most recent.

I need to be off the bike long enough to get the updated pictures! :drool: Actually, I just remembered. You can go to my site and see update pictars. http://www.russtyson.com/buell_project.html The two at the bottom are the most recent. Nice work man. How does the exhaust sound? What power changes have you noticed with the stock can gone...and the ECU controlled valve on it? And what did the sliders cost you?

Nice work man. How does the exhaust sound? What power changes have you noticed with the stock can gone...and the ECU controlled valve on it? And what did the sliders cost you? Thanks!:cheers: The exhaust sounds great. A buddy of mine compared the sound to a ducati at higher revs. To me it is still a harley sound, just .... different. (which I happen to like). The exhaust is actually the original can, just cut and stripped of about 5 lbs. It definitely got rid of a torque dip around 4500rpms. It seems as though I got a bit of a hp and tq boost, but I have not dynoed it yet ($$$). I wan't to get some dyno tuning done so I can get the most out of it.. but it will be a while before I can burn the cash for that. I currently have the race ECM in there, but I still have my stock one. I was going to see if they can use the stock one for the tuning. Since mine is the XB9, I don't have an exhaust control valve. But if you do have one, it can be removed with this pipe. Sliders were about $45 from American Sport bike dot com. (these guys are great to work with, and they carry pretty much anything you need for a buell.) The sliders come stock on '06 and later models. They are a must for these bikes since a low side (or any side for that matter) can rub a hole in the frame... totaling the bike. The sliders have been proven to protect very well at speeds in excess of 80mph. I also want to get some axle sliders as well. I may end up making my own since they are pretty pricey to buy.

Awesome man. Thanks for the info! I've been looking at Buells. What kind of aftermarket is out there for them?

An absolutely tremendous post. Very well put. THANKS! Reps added. :clap: I agree! REPT! But let me ask somin about the exhaust... why does the aftermarket exhaul on the left when the stock went to the right???

Awesome man. Thanks for the info! I've been looking at Buells. What kind of aftermarket is out there for them? You can probably find some great deals out there on used buells. There are folks who buy them, find out they won't do 150+ mph, then get rid of them. I have not checked on pricing of used bikes, but I am sure there are some steals out there. Now to answer what you really asked me (I am writing code at work, so my brain isn't really letting me communicate on a human level right now.. LOL) There is a pretty good aftermarket for parts. I use american sport bike dot com to get stuff. They are great people to deal with, and they have pretty much everything. There is also a place in Europe (Dark hourse moto I think) that has a good selection as well. I am sure there are more, I just can't think of them right now. There are also a couple of guys who do exhausts (modified from stock cans) for reasonable prices. I got the Special Ops pipe from Odie (he can be found on badweatherbikers dot com) or the link from my web site. And Kevin at KDFab (also has a link on my website) makes the Drummer. Both are great exhausts for the money. For engine control smarts, I don't think there is much out there. From what I understand, the powercommander will not work with the buell ECMs for some reason. They may have fixed that, but I have not heard much about it. To find out about the available market, you can check out badweatherbikers. There is a never ending stream of buell knowledge on that board. Another thing, buells are really easy to work on. So if you get a used one with no warranty, and you are somewhat mechanically inclined, you can do just about anything yourself. Just keep one thing in mind.. these things vibrate, so use loctite.. aske me why some time LOL. I agree! REPT! But let me ask somin about the exhaust... why does the aftermarket exhaul on the left when the stock went to the right??? Thanks! :cheers: The stock exhaust outlet is on the left (unless they have changed since 06 models). It tends to blow on your left ankle when you are sitting still. Which really isn't bad until you get a backfire. On the modded pipe that I have, the outlet is centered on the rear of the can, and points to the left/rear at about 45degrees. No longer blowing on my ankle. Odie (the guy that makes the Special Ops pipe that I have) puts two outlets on the can for the 12. One pointing left, one pointing right. The Micron (iirc) also has 2 outlets. Which are a little more artistic looking. They do make a pretty pipe, that is for sure. Several folks in the Buell community got together and did a pretty extensive test/survey/report on all of the available aftermarket exhausts available for the buells. I think it is still linked on the american sportbike dot com website. It has more than you will ever want to know about the exhausts, including sound bites, dyno charts, power comparisons, db levels, pictures, etc. It is a great read for those who are interested. If you can't find it, let me know. I think I have it on my PC. It is a pretty big file though (40 meg zipped).

For some reason I thought they exited to the right....

For some reason I thought they exited to the right.... Now the Buell manufactured race kit has outlets on both sides, so you may have seen one of those. It looks just like the stock can, with outlets on the left and right.

It looked to me like the oil drain is right over top of the exhaust exit...how does this effect the oil change?

Buells suck! Just kidding, RAT. Calm down.

Buells suck! Just kidding, RAT. Calm down. http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/sign20believecrap.gif

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/sign20believecrap.gif I don't like them.

I don't like them. :yikes: Really?

:yikes: Really? http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g189/DLIT_2006/th27701210915.gif

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g189/DLIT_2006/th27701210915.gif Crazyness.

It looked to me like the oil drain is right over top of the exhaust exit...how does this effect the oil change? No problems on mine. Although I have only done one oil change myself (pre-paid maint. :idk: ). Buells suck! Just kidding, RAT. Calm down. HA! No worries man.. I'm always calm.:dthumb:

It looked to me like the oil drain is right over top of the exhaust exit...how does this effect the oil change? One of the dealers did slime my exhaust during an oil change. (It cleaned up just fine.) Reminds me of a car I used to own (I think it was the Camaro? :idk:) that had the oil filter sticking out of the front of the engine, so you had no way to avoid a cup of oil running down the front of it when you removed the filter. :rant: The Vette was a lot friendlier since it was located underneath the block.

One of the dealers did slime my exhaust during an oil change. (It cleaned up just fine.) Reminds me of a car I used to own (I think it was the Camaro? :idk:) that had the oil filter sticking out of the front of the engine, so you had no way to avoid a cup of oil running down the front of it when you removed the filter. :rant: The Vette was a lot friendlier since it was located underneath the block. I'd imagine a funnel or something would do the trick.

I'd imagine a funnel or something would do the trick. That's a very Mcgyveresk response. very nice.

That's a very Mcgyveresk response. very nice. :thx2: I didnt even try.

:thx2: I didnt even try. Neither does he. He's a damn natural.

Neither does he. He's a damn natural. http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/metoo.gif

My two 03 XB9R's have the factory race muffler. The black one has 04 XB12R body work and wheels. I had the white one's wheels painted Royal Blue with a red translucent windscreen. The black one is garaged in San Diego for riding in the mountains occassionally. The white one is a track bike at home in South Florida now. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l16/dtwalkerfl/Bikes/P9240015.jpg http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l16/dtwalkerfl/Bikes/P9240018.jpg http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l16/dtwalkerfl/Bikes/P9240024.jpg

My two 03 XB9R's have the factory race muffler. The black one has 04 XB12R body work and wheels. I had the white one's wheels painted Royal Blue with a red translucent windscreen. The black one is garaged in San Diego for riding in the mountains occassionally. The white one is a track bike at home in South Florida now. http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l16/dtwalkerfl/Bikes/P9240015.jpg http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l16/dtwalkerfl/Bikes/P9240018.jpg http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l16/dtwalkerfl/Bikes/P9240024.jpg Nice man.:cheers:

Nice man.:cheers: :iagree: Upgrade to the Powers.