800cc MotoGP

Maybe I was just oblivious the first few times I watched the 800cc test videos but have you seen how freaking short the tail is on the Honda's at least?? :yikes:

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Here's a pic, note the CF front rotors too! :cheers:
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Look at that rear swing arm, thats huge!

I can't really figure out those forks...they look different.

Here's a pic, note the CF front rotors too! :cheers:


those rotors are ceramic, and the forks.... i dunno, the light is misleading.

I thought the rotors are carbon (not carbon fiber)...or is that the pads? or is this a dumb question?

I thought the rotors are carbon (not carbon fiber)...or is that the pads? or is this a dumb question?

I thought the rotors were carbon too.

Maybe I was just oblivious the first few times I watched the 800cc test videos but have you seen how freaking short the tail is on the Honda's at least?? :yikes:

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:lol: What the Hell! The bike looks retarded!:lol: :lol: That's just pathetic! Honda should be ashamed:bonk:

Looks like they ran out of money around the tail design. I bet it will more than hold its own though.

I think the tail is an interesting approach. Some riders this year have little "spoilers" sticking out of their tail sections for aerodynamics, but if the shorty tail on these 800's is just as effective I think it looks way better. I like the minimalist approach to race bikes, everything as light and tight as possible, nothing extra, and I hope that approach continues to transfer to street bikes. That said i don't think we should all be riding street-fighters, that's not what I'm getting at. But little things like the super light shorty exhausts, shorty tails, CF fenders and things like that I am definitely a fan of. My SV is small enough that if I get the motivation I might just try to fabricate a light aluminum subframe/seat setup to have a tail like the Honda that started this thread. I think it's badass.

I think the tail is an interesting approach. Some riders this year have little "spoilers" sticking out of their tail sections for aerodynamics, but if the shorty tail on these 800's is just as effective I think it looks way better. I like the minimalist approach to race bikes, everything as light and tight as possible, nothing extra, and I hope that approach continues to transfer to street bikes. That said i don't think we should all be riding street-fighters, that's not what I'm getting at. But little things like the super light shorty exhausts, shorty tails, CF fenders and things like that I am definitely a fan of. My SV is small enough that if I get the motivation I might just try to fabricate a light aluminum subframe/seat setup to have a tail like the Honda that started this thread. I think it's badass.

Look @ the new R6, its light and tight. Looks like race bike right off the showroom.

The rotors are ceramic and the forks nitrogen gas charged on the 800cc.

Look @ the new R6, its light and tight. Looks like race bike right off the showroom.

The rotors are ceramic and the forks nitrogen gas charged on the 800cc.

:iagree: I had bad info saying those rotors were carbon. Thanks about the forks though, I couldn't tell what they were.

I probably won't make anything custom, it's not worth it if I'm gonna be on the track a lot, i'd be so pissed when I crashed and wrecked it.

Other than a possible aerodynamic advantage, there is no need for a long tail on the race bikes. However, these teams do a LOT of testing and I would assume that includes windtunnel tests. So if they think the short tail is better, then that's what they go with. We have to have the longer tail on our bikes for passengers, storage, etc. No need for it on the race bikes. I like the straight-to-the-point look. It says, "we're all about business and we don't put on anything we don't need."

The tail does little for aerodynamics so why bother with the extra weight?

The tail does little for aerodynamics so why bother with the extra weight?

That's what I thought. There really is no need for the tail. If they're cutting them down to 800cc, then I imagine that would cut power. If you still want speed with less power, you have to save weight everywhere that you can.

one word: buell

they have almost no tail at all

one word: buell

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They're not all cutting the tail down that much. the tail, if designed right, can disrupt the air so it'll be hard to streamline.

They're not all cutting the tail down that much. the tail, if designed right, can disrupt the air so it'll be hard to streamline.

By that you mean drafting right? That is the solo function of a tail on a race bike. The frontal area of a bike and rider displaces air as it moves. This makes for smother air for another rider to follow in if close enough. They can move faster with less restriction and power following in that draft generating more speed than the ride in the front. The only purpose of the tail is to try to put the air back together a smoothly as possible to avoid possible drafting.

buell is in there.. but it reminded me more of the newest Speed Triples tail more.

Either way they are gonna be bad MF'rs, even if lap times are slwoer at first..
this year their fastest laps improved around 2 seocnds over the previous year at most tracks, so 1 season on em and i bet they are on par or faster then the 990cc.
Millions of dollars and thousands of hours can work wonders to make motorspsorts just get faster when you thought it couldnt. Look at F1, they are faster now with N.A. 3.0 liter V10s at 800 or so HP then the 1500HP Turbo cars or the 80s.

By that you mean drafting right? That is the solo function of a tail on a race bike. The frontal area of a bike and rider displaces air as it moves. This makes for smother air for another rider to follow in if close enough. They can move faster with less restriction and power following in that draft generating more speed than the ride in the front. The only purpose of the tail is to try to put the air back together a smoothly as possible to avoid possible drafting.


tHEY WANT THE TAILS TO SCATTER THE AIR AROUND, NOT TO MAKE IT SMOOTH, TO ELIMINATE THE benefits of smoother air for drifting.

Scattering air off the tail of the bike would cause friction on the bike doing the scattering, defeating the propose of aerodynamics. To create turbulence in the air, it would take a larger surface area than that tail section. Plus creating this turbulence would make the bike unstable.

Scattering air off the tail of the bike would cause friction on the bike doing the scattering, defeating the propose of aerodynamics. To create turbulence in the air, it would take a larger surface area than that tail section. Plus creating this turbulence would make the bike unstable.

:iagree: :withstupi Some of my engineering classes are fuzzy, but if I remember correctly this makes snese.

Scattering air off the tail of the bike would cause friction on the bike doing the scattering, defeating the propose of aerodynamics. To create turbulence in the air, it would take a larger surface area than that tail section. Plus creating this turbulence would make the bike unstable.

:iagree: :withstupi Some of my engineering classes are fuzzy, but if I remember correctly this makes snese.

I knew that DLIT guy was full of http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/pooppoke.gif

I'm just relating what I was told, and it made sense to me. Pippi's sounds good too.

:iagree: that Pippi is one smart lady :dthumb:

she's pretty damned nice too, twisty's got a first class lady with her!

:iagree: that Pippi is one smart lady :dthumb:

she's pretty damned nice too, twisty's got a first class lady with her!

:hug: Thanks KH! It was nice meeting Mrs. KnightHunter too, you both are really nice!

:hug: Thanks KH! It was nice meeting Mrs. KnightHunter too, you both are really nice!

Thanks, she enjoyed meeting you guys too. She doesn't know much about racing (not that I do either compared to you and Twisty) so she was a little out of her element but she still had fun. We'll get the KFC (or whatever) next time :wink:

Does MotoGP moving to 800cc mean that there's probably going to new Sportbikes coming out in the next couple years? There's already a GSXR750 but is there a possibility of stuff like new ZX8R's or CBR800RR's?

Does MotoGP moving to 800cc mean that there's probably going to new Sportbikes coming out in the next couple years? There's already a GSXR750 but is there a possibility of stuff like new ZX8R's or CBR800RR's?


Probably not, Motogp is not production class. Were as WSB and AMA are production classes. They use production bikes and the companies need to produce at least 1000 for the public to be considered a production bike.

We might see some technology trickle down but high doubt we will 800cc street any time soon.

I doubt we will even see any tech. They won't be around long enough. MotoGP will be 800cc for about 2 years... then they will realise that the 800's are faster than the 990's ever were, and we will be back on 500's, only 4 stroke 500's that will get beat by my JD L110 lawn tractor.

Probably not, Motogp is not production class. Were as WSB and AMA are production classes. They use production bikes and the companies need to produce at least 1000 for the public to be considered a production bike.

We might see some technology trickle down but high doubt we will 800cc street any time soon.

I doubt we will even see any tech. They won't be around long enough. MotoGP will be 800cc for about 2 years... then they will realise that the 800's are faster than the 990's ever were, and we will be back on 500's, only 4 stroke 500's that will get beat by my JD L110 lawn tractor.

I hope we will see 800's, I'd pay top $$ for an R8.:dthumb:

Testing times on 800cc bike: 1 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC212V 1:39.910


Circuit Record at Jerez: Circuit Best Lap: Valentino Rossi - Gauloises Yamaha - 1:40.596 (2005).

We might see some technology trickle down but high doubt we will 800cc street any time soon.

Why not? Is there something about 800cc's that makes them a bad choice for street use or something?

I doubt we will even see any tech. They won't be around long enough. MotoGP will be 800cc for about 2 years... then they will realise that the 800's are faster than the 990's ever were, and we will be back on 500's, only 4 stroke 500's that will get beat by my JD L110 lawn tractor.

Why are they faster?

-adding fuel to the fire of agility VS power. Corner speed VS top speed. BURN BABY BURN!

Just better technology being used on the fresh 800cc start, combined with weight savings and the ability use a less aggressive riding style. I don't think the top speeds are even down much off the 990's either though.

on the note of production based bikes... WSB is going 1200cc... how do they do that on a production based bore and stroke??? that would make everyone have to use a Kawasaki ZX12R and we know thats not happening, this next season of WSB is gonna confuse me with that...or are they gonna allow each company to use a race designed big block in a widened 1K chasis, and basically blow the production design idea of out the window?

Testing times on 800cc bike: 1 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC212V 1:39.910


Circuit Record at Jerez: Circuit Best Lap: Valentino Rossi - Gauloises Yamaha - 1:40.596 (2005).

:yikes: Wow.

I doubt we will even see any tech. They won't be around long enough. MotoGP will be 800cc for about 2 years... then they will realise that the 800's are faster than the 990's ever were, and we will be back on 500's, only 4 stroke 500's that will get beat by my JD L110 lawn tractor.

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Testing times on 800cc bike: 1 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team Honda RC212V 1:39.910


Circuit Record at Jerez: Circuit Best Lap: Valentino Rossi - Gauloises Yamaha - 1:40.596 (2005).

Dani put on a qualifying tire to get it, but he go it none the less. He wasnt the only one using Q's but he was the fastest. :yikes:

Dani put on a qualifying tire to get it, but he go it none the less. He wasnt the only one using Q's but he was the fastest. :yikes:

Sick times for sure.

I think the tail is an interesting approach. Some riders this year have little "spoilers" sticking out of their tail sections for aerodynamics, but if the shorty tail on these 800's is just as effective I think it looks way better. I like the minimalist approach to race bikes, everything as light and tight as possible, nothing extra, and I hope that approach continues to transfer to street bikes. That said i don't think we should all be riding street-fighters, that's not what I'm getting at. But little things like the super light shorty exhausts, shorty tails, CF fenders and things like that I am definitely a fan of. My SV is small enough that if I get the motivation I might just try to fabricate a light aluminum subframe/seat setup to have a tail like the Honda that started this thread. I think it's badass.

I agree I think it's cool and the point is always lighter and faster so good job honda :twfrox: :jacked:

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on the note of production based bikes... WSB is going 1200cc... how do they do that on a production based bore and stroke??? that would make everyone have to use a Kawasaki ZX12R and we know thats not happening, this next season of WSB is gonna confuse me with that...or are they gonna allow each company to use a race designed big block in a widened 1K chasis, and basically blow the production design idea of out the window?

just 1200cc twins, inline fours will still be limited to 1000cc. cuz even tho ducati won the bayliss won the championship on a ducati twin there all whining that the inline fours have an advantage over the v-twins.

just 1200cc twins, inline fours will still be limited to 1000cc. cuz even tho ducati won the bayliss won the championship on a ducati twin there all whining that the inline fours have an advantage over the v-twins.

Yeah, the 1098 will be is WSBK this year, right?

Yeah, the 1098 will be is WSBK this year, right?

well.... FIM never announced a change in the rules so.... Bayliss and Lanzi may be on their "inferior" 06 Ducatis. But we will wait and see.

i htink that rule change may be good in the long run, but right now the Ducs certainly hold their own for another couple years...

I think a RC52 (1200cc superbike version) would be REALLY sweet. i'd like to see that. i would think Duc's 1098 if it were allowed in superbike this year would have an unfair advantage.

The 1098 will be allowed in WSB. That's why Ducati pulled out of AMA, with the intent of forcing their hand into following suit with WSB. Otherwise AMA is left to a Suzuki Race with Honda following and Kawazaki fighting anyone else for 3rd

The 1098 will be allowed in WSB. That's why Ducati pulled out of AMA, with the intent of forcing their hand into following suit with WSB. Otherwise AMA is left to a Suzuki Race with Honda following and Kawazaki fighting anyone else for 3rd

so its announced?

I think a RC52 (1200cc superbike version) would be REALLY sweet. i'd like to see that. i would think Duc's 1098 if it were allowed in superbike this year would have an unfair advantage.

that would be cool. And if it meant winning im sure we would see another RC type (SP-1) twin from honda. Or a bump for the RC-51.