Is America Ready?

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They won't win against Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Hilary is too liberal for most of the nation and Rudy is very moderate. Definitely not a Bush conservative. So much so, he takes a lot of heat for being moderate to liberal by the republicans. http://www.jesuslist.com/blog/images/rudy-giuliani.jpeg

the democrats are trying to figure themselves out eh... it wont be hillary though, everyone sees though her pandering.

They won't win against Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Hilary is too liberal for most of the nation and Rudy is very moderate. Definitely not a Bush conservative. So much so, he takes a lot of heat for being moderate to liberal by the republicans. http://www.jesuslist.com/blog/images/rudy-giuliani.jpeg The republican party in general has taken Rudy out of the picture. Its sad to say, but the Bush administration has taken them out. And it will definitely be Obama over Hillary.

i'm just ready for a change...

I think america is ready for a black and a women... but NOT hillary. She already had 8 years as president. :idk:

Obama is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY underqualified... and I can't stand Hillery....not her politics her personality rubs me the wrong way...

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I WILL NOT VOTE for that CLAM! I will vote for any race, creed, or gender. Just not that one. I will vote Rudy if he runs... especially if its against that bieatch!

If Hillary does indeed run, I will vote for whoever runs against her. No way I am voting for her!!!

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In before the... Why do you think every post is gonna get locked. This is a good poilitcal post, not a flame war. :wink:

Why do you think every post is gonna get locked. This is a good poilitcal post, not a flame war. :wink: :idk: but just in case....no :sw: or else :lock:

Why do you think every post is gonna get locked. This is a good poilitcal post, not a flame war. :wink: Because you know how I feel about Silliary and Obama... I think the Oval Office is the Dems to lose in '08...unless they do something stupid like run those two...

Because you know how I feel about Silliary and Obama... I think the Oval Office is the Dems to lose in '08...unless they do something stupid like run those two... You know how I feel about Obama. :dthumb: We need someone young and energetinc like him in there. Can you say a black JFK? :cheers:

Hillary is going to be the next president. I hate the idea, but there are too many ignoramii voting in the United States to keep her out of office. Sad but true...

Did you just type Ignoramii? Isn't that a form of paper folding art?:lol: I think what we need are a few less politicians in office and a few more businessmen, militarly leaders, Ect. Like maybe Norman Swartzkopf, Colin Powell. People who have a practical history of leadership, politics, and common sense who have actually learned from experience...Not inherited a political legacy.

actually, we need fewer lawyers and soldiers and more engineers, scientists and accountants in government...

actually, we need fewer lawyers and soldiers and more engineers, scientists and accountants in government... I like you.:lol:

actually, we need fewer lawyers and soldiers and more engineers, scientists and accountants in government... So are you going to vote for me? :lol:

i once said that rudy might just be the only republican i would consider voting for, if he ran. i'll just hafta wait and see who the competition is and go from there.

:idk: sili and osama:idk:

ohhh I see ...:bash: In 2008, would you vote for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (or neither) for president? Clinton Obama Neither

too soon for me to say...

I believe we have more "concrete" problems to deal with like crumbling infrastructure and agency budgets so out of whack they can't be audited...right now I believe these things are more important than pandering for votes with "social engineering experiments" and more government intrusion into our daily lives...I believe George W has done more to damage to freedom in this country than any President since Nixon. I just think the Dems are more concerned with expanding welfare and social programs while our food and water degrade to a point where they are unsafe. I think the export of millions of jobs by our government in cahoots with large corporations for campaign contributions borders on treason. I think this argument that illegals are critical because they do jobs Americans won't is a bunch of hooey...My grandfather worked in a coal mine, a slaughterhouse and farmed to support his family...M's grandfather also farmed and worked in a pig slaughterhouse to support his family and put 5 kids through college... Take away all the government welfare and free giveaways like rent and utilities' payments, free health care, child care and more money every month for having more kids...and tell people to work or starve...things would change in a hurry. I am not against aid programs like health care, child care or job training...It's just the way the system is now...the only way you can qualify to get the assistance needed, is to stop working and sit on your butt and collect checks... I say prove you have a job...even a part time job and you qualify for benefits...no worky...no money... And I will also say that I have never collected an unemployment check or welfare check in my life...I wouldn't even know how to apply...

Alot of what you just said is true and bears thought. Although I am not sure about the engineers part? I have known to many projects that had to be re engineered in the field after serious design flaws... But really you have a point. The current welfare system doesn't work so why not get a new system. Not some restructuring or bi partisan compromise...:idk:

I'd vote for Hilary if it means Bill gets back to the White House.

Although I am not sure about the engineers part? I have known to many projects that had to be re engineered in the field after serious design flaws... I hate you. :lol: I am a field engineer though, so I run into a lot of the design problems as well.

im neither DEM or REP, but i havent found a DEM i would vote for yet. Untill they get out from hiding behind their welfare programs (their feel good we love you vote for me stuff) and actually produce an independant thought (other than whatever the fickle polls say) then mabye... mabye. let me tell you a local story. our last GOV election was betwee Blanco D and Jindal R. Blancos whole platform was teacher pay raises and wellfare (lubby dubby) . Jindal had his people and economic and state debit policy ready and waiting to hit the ground running if elected. He had numbers and plans, and exactly how to do it BEFORE he was elected. Blanco won and spent her first 6 months going to balls and forming comittees to form comittees to bacically make her decisions. Blancos sweet-heart Teacher pay raises are yet to even sniff the light of day. Post katrina she made more comittees to throw blame at others. And this is totally acceptable in her party. Its hard to find a democrat i can vote for.

Hillary & Obama, she scares the crap out of me and he has too little experience for the vice job. with them it would run the country:flush:. We need Steven Jobs and Paul Allen to run it like a business not a circus.

Why do you think every post is gonna get locked. This is a good poilitcal post, not a flame war. :wink: :withstupi What's up with that? :idk:

We need Steven Jobs and Paul Allen to run it like a business not a circus. They surprise me that they are not republican. Steal from the stupid, exploit people, and generally crush all insignficant competition into the ground. Good ole capitalistic fun.

I think america is ready for a black and a women... but NOT hillary. She already had 8 years as president. :idk: Obama ain't black - he's white.

Screw it im just voting for mickey mouse.... Obama might be hte only dem i'd vote for though... i like the inexperiance.. hes got genious cabinets to inform him.....let a guy without a "politician" sterotypical mind do the job.... i really think EVERY ISSUE should be voted on online everyday and then whoever is president just has to do that.. so when we F up its all our faults... BAM no more bickering or partisianship...and the general public gets everything the majority asks for.....it would be the end of politics and the beginning of America TRUELY having a voice!

Screw it im just voting for mickey mouse.... Obama might be hte only dem i'd vote for though... i like the inexperiance.. hes got genious cabinets to inform him.....let a guy without a "politician" sterotypical mind do the job.... i really think EVERY ISSUE should be voted on online everyday and then whoever is president just has to do that.. so when we F up its all our faults... BAM no more bickering or partisianship...and the general public gets everything the majority asks for.....it would be the end of politics and the beginning of America TRUELY having a voice! Majority shouldn't rule America. That is why the senate is good, because it is a balanced mix of people from all states with every state represented equally. The house represents majority with the population determining the number of seats. If we would stop voting in fat cats, our system is a pretty damn good system.

Wasn't Nazi Germany a "rule by the majority state'?:idk: Hitler was a dictator but no one gets to or stays in power alone... I do agree that technology has made it possible for us to revise how our system of representation works. We do still need a representative body with checks and balances but advances in IT and communications should make it easier to get a consenus and make every persons opinion count.

Obama ain't black - he's white. Simply stating the "catagories" under represented in Politics.

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Obama ain't black - he's white. if obama's white...then i am black. (not that race matters anyways)

I'd vote for Hilary if it means Bill gets back to the White House. http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m166/willn_2/BanHim.jpg

I'd vote for Hilary if it means Bill gets back to the White House. That would be the only reason to have her back. He was the greatest president America has ever had. Ok, a little far fetched, but he was good. :cheers:

Greatest ever? Washington, Adams, Roosevelt, Truman,...EVER!???:yikes:

who cares as long as we get another pay raise:cheers: :cheers: army strong hooah

I'd vote Bush in for a 3rd term before voting for that bitch. I'm suprised the democrats would consider nominating her- from what Bush has done- the dems pretty much own this election- but they may jepordize it with Hillary... many people would vote just to vote against her- which could help the repubs back into office???

Just be patient...there will be many to choose from soon...

Greatest ever? Washington, Adams, Roosevelt, Truman,...EVER!???:yikes: Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan May he rest in peace, but :lol:

Ronald Reagan :iagree:

if obama's white...then i am black. (not that race matters anyways) Who's his mommy? If Obama is black then I'm white!

:iagree: :iagree: Great Presidents make an impact on history not just some interns dress!:wink:

:iagree: Great Presidents make an impact on history not just some interns dress!:wink: That bastard Clinton shamed all of the red blooded American men by scoring with that nasty ass fat biotch! The Most Powerful Man in the World can't get any better poon action than that? It's pathetic. That act alone was enough to impeach his white trash ass.:cursin: When he was the Governor of Arkansas, he scored with Miss Arkansas, but when he became the President of the United States, he couldn't score with either Miss America or Miss USA? Not to mention Miss Universe?

That bastard Clinton shamed all of the red blooded American men by scoring with that nasty ass fat biotch! The Most Powerful Man in the World can't get any better poon action than that? It's pathetic. That act alone was enough to impeach his white trash ass.:cursin: When he was the Governor of Arkansas, he scored with Miss Arkansas, but when he became the President of the United States, he couldn't score with either Miss America or Miss USA? Not to mention Miss Universe? The Sultan of Brunei has been rumored to have offered him any woman in his harem....Instead he trolls Washington DC for cigar action?

The Sultan of Brunei has been rumored to have offered him any woman in his harem....Instead he trolls Washington DC for cigar action? If that offer were true, then it was very sad indeed. Very sad. Geeze, Louise, you were the US President for cryin' out loud. Have you no standards?

actually, we need fewer lawyers and soldiers and more engineers, scientists and accountants in government... :lol: so true

That would be the only reason to have her back. He was the greatest president America has ever had. Ok, a little far fetched, but he was good. :cheers: http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/roflwerd.gif

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic U.S. Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) opened his 2008 drive for the White House with a promise to bridge historic political divides, but so far it is unclear how many black voters will come along for the ride. ADVERTISEMENT Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, has promised to wage "a different kind of politics" in a run for the White House that could shatter U.S. racial barriers and make him the first black president. But polls show he lags well behind Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York among black voters, the most loyal Democratic voting bloc, and his candidacy has been greeted cautiously by some veteran black leaders uncertain about his experience and views. The wary approach is not surprising given Obama is a relative newcomer on the national stage and, unlike many established black leaders, did not build his reputation during the civil-rights struggles of the 1960s, analysts said. "People don't know who he is. Outside of Illinois, black voters and everybody else are asking, 'Who is this guy?"' said Ron Walters, a former adviser to civil rights leader Jesse Jackson and head of the African-American Leadership Institute at the University of Maryland. "They don't know his record, they don't know his background or where he came from, so they are asking very understandable questions," he said. "He has to win their vote like anyone else." Obama, the son of a white mother from Kansas and a black father from Kenya, has quickly become a leading contender for the heavily contested Democratic nomination, along with Clinton and 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards. He is to formally launch his campaign on Saturday at the old state capitol in Springfield, Illinois, where the man who freed the slaves as president, Abraham Lincoln, delivered a famous 1858 "House Divided" speech decrying the country's divisions over slavery. But Obama's status as the first black presidential contender considered to have a real shot at winning the White House has not translated into automatic black support. Jackson, a veteran of losing Democratic presidential campaigns in 1984 and 1988, has not endorsed Obama. Neither has the Rev. Al Sharpton, a Democratic presidential candidate in 2004 who has not ruled out another run. CLINTON LEADS POLLS Polls show Clinton is favored by a majority of black voters, with Obama a distant second. Clinton, whose husband President Bill Clinton is popular with black voters, receives much higher favorable ratings from blacks than Obama. Edwards, a former senator from North Carolina, also is making a concerted pitch for black support and launched his campaign in December from a poor, primarily black New Orleans neighborhood ravaged by Hurricane Katrina. "Black voters have choices now, they have Hillary Clinton and John Edwards," Walters said. "And this time there is a context in this election that might be even more persuasive than race, and that's the war." Polls show blacks oppose the Iraq war at higher percentages than white voters, making Obama's early opposition to the war a potential selling point. Clinton, attacked by some Democrats for voting to authorize the war and being too slow to renounce her vote, has stepped up her criticism of the conflict. Black voters constitute about 10 percent of the U.S. electorate, and they often make up more than 40 percent of the Democratic primary vote in key Southern states like South Carolina, the fourth state to cast ballots in the 2008 Democratic nomination race. David Bositis, a political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which researches issues affecting blacks, said Obama has plenty of time to win over black voters. His first and bigger task, he said, will be winning white votes in the heavily white early voting states Iowa and New Hampshire, as well as gaining support from Hispanics in Nevada, the second state to vote in the Democratic race. "Black voters are looking for a candidate who is capable of winning the general election, and ultimately how Obama is viewed by black voters will depend on his prospects," Bositis said. "If he comes out of those early primaries looking like he could win it all and be elected president, he will get a substantial boost in black support," he said.