Harley Davidson on strike...

this is big news around here. harley is obviously one of the best paying employers in our area. this is the york, PA plant. it just astounds me how people with great jobs are so willing to throw them away over little negotiation points. whiny little b*tches! i hope they strike forever. i'll go be a scab for 'em! For the first time in 16 years union workers at Harley Davidson in York County voted to go on strike. An overwhelming majority voted to walk the picket line. Unless a last minute agreement is reached the strike will begin at 12:01 a.m. Friday morning. Union workers say they are upset with a new 2 tiered pay system, increasing health care costs and changing pension plan. Many say a strike is scaring but it's necessary to make a statement. Workers will not be payed for the first 3 weeks of the strike. Our repeated phone calls to the plant were not retuned. It is not clear what the company plans to do to keep production going

this is big news around here. harley is obviously one of the best paying employers in our area. this is the york, PA plant. it just astounds me how people with great jobs are so willing to throw them away over little negotiation points. whiny little b*tches! i hope they strike forever. i'll go be a scab for 'em! For the first time in 16 years union workers at Harley Davidson in York County voted to go on strike. An overwhelming majority voted to walk the picket line. Unless a last minute agreement is reached the strike will begin at 12:01 a.m. Friday morning. Union workers say they are upset with a new 2 tiered pay system, increasing health care costs and changing pension plan. Many say a strike is scaring but it's necessary to make a statement. Workers will not be payed for the first 3 weeks of the strike. Our repeated phone calls to the plant were not retuned. It is not clear what the company plans to do to keep production going Fire all of those whiney beotches who are on strike. Be glad you have a job and get your ass back to work. :tt:

I apologies to all those who are Union workers, but Unions SUCK! I really hope people come to their senses and get back to work. The Country is changing and the Government is causing it. If they want to strike… they need to strike out against them... not the company that sustains their life.

they're striking over stupid crap. one issue is that the company wants to pay new hires after feb. $18.something an hr. instead of $20.something an hour. um...ok...how does that affect the current workers? :idk: the other issue is that the company wants to give 4% raises only if the workers pay for their health insurance. they don't pay now. geez, just be glad you have health insurance, and i bet it is d@mn good too! i mean, you make $20 an hour, can't you afford to put some $$ out for insurance? :cry: i don't know much about what they wanna take from pension/retirees. rumor has it that harley already has enough 2007 softails stored in a warehouse to get dealers through the summer. let their @sses freeze on the picket line! then hire me to take their place. i ain't too proud to work for a measly $18 an hour. :dthumb:

Here-Here :cheers: ITGirl

if i was in upper management, when they strike, i would close down the factory and build a new one elsewhere. send a message, was the $2/hr worth your job? i'm not against unions (i was a member of CWA then BOT). it's just that unions are now outdated. it's the healthcare/insurance industry that is causing labor disputes. -a|ex

it's the healthcare/insurance industry that is causing labor disputes. -a|ex :iagree: and the political aspect of it, democrats keep trying to socialize it and republicans keep trying to privatize it. What we end up with is a jumbled mess of crap with skyrocketing rates. Pensions are also outdated, they need to go 401k so they can keep their money wherever they go.

The HD Pensions are as outdated as they bikes they build:wink: Just wait till the Chinese factory tools up. Now that H-D has permission to sell them there the factory can't be 2 far behind!:leaving:

whats the big deal about HD shutting down...its not like they have to keep any bikes running.:lol:

I was there last nite from 11.30pm till about 2am. Fun times....watching these guys walk up and down the road.

i was wonderin' if you'd get to see some action there...

i was wonderin' if you'd get to see some action there... Yeah...despite my best efforts....they sent me down there.

If you were watching 27 right now you would see my video I shot last nite.

Fire all of those whiney beotches who are on strike. Be glad you have a job and get your ass back to work. :tt: These asshats are F'in morons! Everybody has rising medical costs!! At least they are getting raises! And pensions! ARE YOU MF'IN KIDDING ME!!! F'in morons! start a 401K you MF'in stupid dumbass morons! :damn: OMG that just pissed me off! I hope I see them or their supporters outside my HD dealer near my work... I'm going to tell them they F'in stupid! :sorry: :chill: much needed! :leaving:

These asshats are F'in morons! Everybody has rising medical costs!! At least they are getting raises! And pensions! ARE YOU MF'IN KIDDING ME!!! F'in morons! start a 401K you MF'in stupid dumbass morons! :damn: OMG that just pissed me off! I hope I see them or their supporters outside my HD dealer near my work... I'm going to tell them they F'in stupid! :sorry: :chill: much needed! :leaving: Absolutely nothing out of line with this post. :iagree:

Those workers should pretend to go back to work, then, when no-ones looking... They should make some bikes that actually perform like modern motorcycles.... You know, Go Fast, Be able to turn corners (lean, maybe) and Stop on command!! that'll learn 'em:dthumb:

Absolutely nothing out of line with this post. :iagree: It was a bit ruff.... but people are stupid!

It was a bit ruff.... but people are stupid! :iagree:

Real H-D people don't need no stinkin' pensions or medical insurance. They spend all their salaries on Booze, Women, and S&S parts!

When I saw the title of this thread I really wanted to flip out with another rant post, but alas... I was too late. Ah what the hell... :cursin: Wake up people it's the 21st century! A hundred years ago this time unions were necessary so that people wouldn't get screwed by the man. Now they are used soley to screw the man while perpetuating the newest flash of brilliance of our culture today, our sense of entitlement. Every moron under the sun thinks they deserve to be held to some regard as if they are something special... Children are raised to beleive that they deserve to be treated specially. Great you are special, you deserve to get everything handed to you like a frucking infant. Don't like it, then sue... Or strike... Help! Help! I am being discriminated against because someone actually wants me to do something to earn my paycheck! Help! Help! My employer isn't willing to absorb the rising costs of healthcare and my paycheck is going to decline by $15 a week. Oh the humanity! Maybe if they would take a half a second and quit thinking about what you deserve and realize how lucky you are... Mr. Factory worker with your limited skillset and your (generally) lack of an education... How fun will it be for you and yours if, because of your whiney self-righteous union leaders, your plant shuts down? WTF will you do then? How about getting off your azz and realize how lucky you are.... Or how about going out and getting another job... one you don't have to whine and cry about? I am sure there are 500 million Chinese 10 year olds who could, would, and are ready to fill your position. And guess what... They are willing to do it for $0.50 an hour. Then again, I guess THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU ARE GOING TO FIND ANOTHER JOB WITH YOUR SKILLS/EDUCATION/EXPERIENCE THAT IS GOING TO PAY HALF OF WHAT YOU ARE GETTING NOW. Thank you... Please drive through...

:woo: well said OSP!!

:cursin: :rofl: :rant: :yesnod: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: WOW!! You are the rant GOD!!!

it's 10 degrees outside here today. it was -10 degrees at 7am. i hope those stupid MF'ers are freezing their @sses off. bet they'd like to be inside the nice, warm plant right now working like the slaves they claim to be.

:cursin: :rofl: :rant: :yesnod: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: WOW!! You are the rant GOD!!! Nah, I'm just a really disgruntled individual. And this picture is funny. http://espn.starwave.com/media/pg2/2005/0307/photo/a_mickelson_i.jpg

Unions outdated:lol: Like anybody would want union job with good working conditions, job protection, employer paid pension plan, employer paid health plan, nice wage to boot Unions suck. Most people bashing unions are just jealous of benefits unions bring to workers:dthumb:

When I saw the title of this thread I really wanted to flip out with another rant post, but alas... I was too late. Ah what the hell... :cursin: Wake up people it's the 21st century! A hundred years ago this time unions were necessary so that people wouldn't get screwed by the man. Now they are used soley to screw the man while perpetuating the newest flash of brilliance of our culture today, our sense of entitlement. Every moron under the sun thinks they deserve to be held to some regard as if they are something special... Children are raised to beleive that they deserve to be treated specially. Great you are special, you deserve to get everything handed to you like a frucking infant. Don't like it, then sue... Or strike... Help! Help! I am being discriminated against because someone actually wants me to do something to earn my paycheck! Help! Help! My employer isn't willing to absorb the rising costs of healthcare and my paycheck is going to decline by $15 a week. Oh the humanity! Maybe if they would take a half a second and quit thinking about what you deserve and realize how lucky you are... Mr. Factory worker with your limited skillset and your (generally) lack of an education... How fun will it be for you and yours if, because of your whiney self-righteous union leaders, your plant shuts down? WTF will you do then? How about getting off your azz and realize how lucky you are.... Or how about going out and getting another job... one you don't have to whine and cry about? I am sure there are 500 million Chinese 10 year olds who could, would, and are ready to fill your position. And guess what... They are willing to do it for $0.50 an hour. Then again, I guess THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU ARE GOING TO FIND ANOTHER JOB WITH YOUR SKILLS/EDUCATION/EXPERIENCE THAT IS GOING TO PAY HALF OF WHAT YOU ARE GETTING NOW. Thank you... Please drive through... Dood is on point.

Unions outdated:lol: Like anybody would want union job with good working conditions, job protection, employer paid pension plan, employer paid health plan, nice wage to boot Unions suck. Most people bashing unions are just jealous of benefits unions bring to workers:dthumb: So you're saying Union works are lazy?

Not lazy! Just spoiled!

Unions outdated:lol: Like anybody would want union job with good working conditions, job protection, employer paid pension plan, employer paid health plan, nice wage to boot Unions suck. Most people bashing unions are just jealous of benefits unions bring to workers:dthumb: i guess you were never a union member. unions don't protect jobs. a mass layoff is a mass layoff. OHSA provides good safe working conditions. employer paid pension plan, 401k? employer paid health plan, smoker? do you really know where your union fees go? i think it was $35/month for membership. remember this, you get what you pay for. if a company pays non-union workers have as much. then you get individuals of the same worth. the better employees will look for better paying jobs. assembly worker has a high turnover rate, that's the main reason it pays well. the union really didn't influence this pay scale, they made it equal across the board. other jobs that are unionized that pay well is usually because of the hazardous nature of the job. even without unions, the payscale will be high because the rule of supply and demand applies. the federal government has more to influence on job pay and conditions than the local unions. as i've mentioned earlier, unions are now outdated. the media (public opinion) can do more to help workers than unions. a company that treats it's employees like dirt will not survive todays business market. -a|ex

latest on the strike... as of monday the company is terminating the striking workers' healthcare benefits. i find that extremely amusing. maybe now they'll appreciate what they have a bit more. there are no more negotiations scheduled at the moment. this is like a soap opera. how many think HD will just shut it's doors here and move to another location? i think it is posible.

They might just get scabs to work... or..cough... I mean people that honestly would kill for a good job like that! The only down fall is the media attention they will get being a "american company" vs "anti-union" ideas.... Personally I say F those workers!

They might just get scabs to work... or..cough... I mean people that honestly would kill for a good job like that! The only down fall is the media attention they will get being a "american company" vs "anti-union" ideas.... Personally I say F those workers! Gas, plenty of our southern friends from Mexico would work those jobs cheap. Since you support cheap labor from Mexico, along with our President, enjoy future results:cheers: Gas, sounds like your job can also be preformed by any cheap Mexican:dthumb: Doubt any education such as College required? Care to tell us what education and skills needed for your job? Those happy about workers losing benefits for their family, along with taking stand in cold weather have other problems:idk:

Gas, plenty of our southern friends from Mexico would work those jobs cheap. Since you support cheap labor from Mexico, along with our President, enjoy future results:cheers: Gas, sounds like your job can also be preformed by any cheap Mexican:dthumb: Doubt any education such as College required? Care to tell us what education and skills needed for your job? Those happy about workers losing benefits for their family, along with taking stand in cold weather have other problems:idk: guess what, there are alot of skilled jobs with openings, while the entry level no skill jobs are full, why because people take the easy road. Screw it, let the friends from down south have the low paying no skilled jobs, get yourself a f'n education, and get a higher skilled job. you dont need a Ph. D. to get a job that requires education and pays well. Learn a skilled trade, carpentry (my latest skill i learned) i just finished a 5 hour training course for installing and seaming solid surface countertops, at a retail display factory in washington DC. EVERY employee in the factory, was not of caucasian descent, and im SURE they were not paid much at all to have that job, NOR were they union. However, those of us in the training are ALSO non union, and the company paid for the training, to give us the opportunnity to make more money and offer a BETTER SERVICE. Paying low payroll to non-skilled factory workers keeps cost of product down. imported sportbikes, cost significantly less than harleys, why, they were cheaper to produce, metal is metal, rubber is rubber, but overseas labor is cheaper than american labor. If you are lucky enough to be in a situation where you dont have to use one micron of your brain to perform a daily task because you repeat the same motion 4400 times in one day for the past 15 years, BE GLAD. You're lucky, at least you arent struggling to make a mortgage payment because you cant GET into an easy as pie job like that. Unions support lazy people, are they bad all around, NO, but people abuse them. It's like anything there are people that appreciate it, and people that take it for granted. example. An automaker employee that appreciates his union, pays his union dues, and is thankful for holidays off and doesnt accept the strike, and if they do strike and shut down and he cant perform his job, he collects his unemployment for all it's worth, and DOES NOT protest. he goes about his life since something ABOVE his/her control caused the strike, and he takes whatever contract they offer, and goes back to his happy job. An automaker employee that abuses his union, goes out on tuesday night, gets all drunk, has brown bottle flu the next day, and doesnt goto work. he repeats this often, and is never fired because he is protected by the union, not only that, but for a majority of these days, he uses up his PAID personal and sick days. So someone else is out there hurting for a job, going to labor ready making every penny they can because their previous employer went bankrupt because of the crappy economy and he's been out of a job, when he could have that persons comfy union job that they are taking for granted. My job is non union and i wouldnt have it any other way. I let my workmanship and reliability speak for itself. It gives me the ability to negotiate my OWN stuff, instead of waiting on a board of people to negotiate what i get. I dont have any benefits, but i make MORE than enough money to insure myself, which is what i do. in short, unions can be beneficial and a parasite depending on the person i believe.

Gas, plenty of our southern friends from Mexico would work those jobs cheap. Since you support cheap labor from Mexico, along with our President, enjoy future results:cheers: Gas, sounds like your job can also be preformed by any cheap Mexican:dthumb: Doubt any education such as College required? Care to tell us what education and skills needed for your job? Those happy about workers losing benefits for their family, along with taking stand in cold weather have other problems:idk: what i am saying is don't bite the hand that feeds you, or better yet, don't sh*t where you eat. i don't think risking your job is worth the $20-30 you'd hafta put out a week for your own insurance. these people have a great job that pays well and that is hard to come by. who in their right mind would risk that?! they deserve what they get. they made their choice...it was a vote after all.

what i am saying is don't bite the hand that feeds you, or better yet, don't sh*t where you eat. i don't think risking your job is worth the $20-30 you'd hafta put out a week for your own insurance. these people have a great job that pays well and that is hard to come by. who in their right mind would risk that?! they deserve what they get. they made their choice...it was a vote after all. Precisely. darnit, you have too many good posts! i tried to rep you but i have to "spread some rep points around before giving it to itgirl25 again" You got a rain check for rep points

:thx2: i consider the compliment equal to any rep points you could bestow on me. i am just happy to be making insightful posts. :dthumb:

Gas, plenty of our southern friends from Mexico would work those jobs cheap. Since you support cheap labor from Mexico, along with our President, enjoy future results:cheers: Gas, sounds like your job can also be preformed by any cheap Mexican:dthumb: Doubt any education such as College required? Care to tell us what education and skills needed for your job? Those happy about workers losing benefits for their family, along with taking stand in cold weather have other problems:idk: Check yourself Jetskit... that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what Itgirl and I have been saying this whole thread. These asshats are argueing over points of interest that are so petty. The rest of us have been doing what HD is suggesting for too many years to count. The workers are living in fairy land and need to get a f'in clue! My job... don't even start... I have 10yrs of training for my job. Which included a 4yrs as a temp/grunt, 3 years as appretience, and 3 years of further training all of which I need to have Operator Qualifications from each of the 13 stations I'm qualified to run, operate, maintain, and make crunch time decisions. Not to mention each aspect and duty of my job I have to qualify for and re-certify myself every year on some and others every 3-5 years. I have alot riding on the line everyday and peoples lives are at jeopardy including my own. Don't believe it... see the pics I posted right above this link (http://www.twowheelforum.com/showthread.php?p=303088#post303088) These are events that have spurred MAJOR changes from the federal DOT and OSHA agencies along with the Coast Gaurd and other various agencies like MI-EPA and other states versions...

props GM :dthumb:

props GM :dthumb: Thank you sir... its just Jetski comin in to cause problems...

Unions outdated:lol: Like anybody would want union job with good working conditions, job protection, employer paid pension plan, employer paid health plan, nice wage to boot Unions suck. Most people bashing unions are just jealous of benefits unions bring to workers:dthumb: Jet, 1950 is on line 1 for you... They say if you can get your flux capacitor working they'd be more than happy to have your ideals back! Gas, plenty of our southern friends from Mexico would work those jobs cheap. Since you support cheap labor from Mexico, along with our President, enjoy future results:cheers: Gas, sounds like your job can also be preformed by any cheap Mexican:dthumb: Doubt any education such as College required? Care to tell us what education and skills needed for your job? Those happy about workers losing benefits for their family, along with taking stand in cold weather have other problems:idk: Moving back to a previous point I made to you LONG ago when the subject of globalization and competing markets was brought up... What do you suppose the US should do... sit back and let cheap labor around the world undermine our ability to be an economic powerhouse? Or... embrace the global market for all it's worth and stay afloat as properous nation? Insert Jeopardy music here Your view is so short-sighted I don't even know where to begin... How about with the auto industry?... GM and Ford are folding like plastic lawn chair under Rosie O'Donnell... Wonder why that is? Perhaps it's the fact that the unions are stopping them from keeping their business lucrative by having to guarantee large wages for low skill level employees... So now I have to ask, what's better... losing your job and not having any skills? or keeping your job, but at a reduced wage? guess what, there are alot of skilled jobs with openings, while the entry level no skill jobs are full, why because people take the easy road. Screw it, let the friends from down south have the low paying no skilled jobs, get yourself a f'n education, and get a higher skilled job. you dont need a Ph. D. to get a job that requires education and pays well. Learn a skilled trade, carpentry (my latest skill i learned) i just finished a 5 hour training course for installing and seaming solid surface countertops, at a retail display factory in washington DC. EVERY employee in the factory, was not of caucasian descent, and im SURE they were not paid much at all to have that job, NOR were they union. However, those of us in the training are ALSO non union, and the company paid for the training, to give us the opportunnity to make more money and offer a BETTER SERVICE. Paying low payroll to non-skilled factory workers keeps cost of product down. imported sportbikes, cost significantly less than harleys, why, they were cheaper to produce, metal is metal, rubber is rubber, but overseas labor is cheaper than american labor. If you are lucky enough to be in a situation where you dont have to use one micron of your brain to perform a daily task because you repeat the same motion 4400 times in one day for the past 15 years, BE GLAD. You're lucky, at least you arent struggling to make a mortgage payment because you cant GET into an easy as pie job like that. Unions support lazy people, are they bad all around, NO, but people abuse them. It's like anything there are people that appreciate it, and people that take it for granted. example. An automaker employee that appreciates his union, pays his union dues, and is thankful for holidays off and doesnt accept the strike, and if they do strike and shut down and he cant perform his job, he collects his unemployment for all it's worth, and DOES NOT protest. he goes about his life since something ABOVE his/her control caused the strike, and he takes whatever contract they offer, and goes back to his happy job. An automaker employee that abuses his union, goes out on tuesday night, gets all drunk, has brown bottle flu the next day, and doesnt goto work. he repeats this often, and is never fired because he is protected by the union, not only that, but for a majority of these days, he uses up his PAID personal and sick days. So someone else is out there hurting for a job, going to labor ready making every penny they can because their previous employer went bankrupt because of the crappy economy and he's been out of a job, when he could have that persons comfy union job that they are taking for granted. My job is non union and i wouldnt have it any other way. I let my workmanship and reliability speak for itself. It gives me the ability to negotiate my OWN stuff, instead of waiting on a board of people to negotiate what i get. I dont have any benefits, but i make MORE than enough money to insure myself, which is what i do. in short, unions can be beneficial and a parasite depending on the person i believe. You forgot thank you, please drive through.:dthumb:

Check yourself Jetskit... that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what Itgirl and I have been saying this whole thread. These asshats are argueing over points of interest that are so petty. The rest of us have been doing what HD is suggesting for too many years to count. The workers are living in fairy land and need to get a f'in clue! My job... don't even start... I have 10yrs of training for my job. Which included a 4yrs as a temp/grunt, 3 years as appretience, and 3 years of further training all of which I need to have Operator Qualifications from each of the 13 stations I'm qualified to run, operate, maintain, and make crunch time decisions. Not to mention each aspect and duty of my job I have to qualify for and re-certify myself every year on some and others every 3-5 years. I have alot riding on the line everyday and peoples lives are at jeopardy including my own. Don't believe it... see the pics I posted right above this link (http://www.twowheelforum.com/showthread.php?p=303088#post303088) These are events that have spurred MAJOR changes from the federal DOT and OSHA agencies along with the Coast Gaurd and other various agencies like MI-EPA and other states versions... Gas, Point being Mexican can also do your job, since training is on the job. Tell us why a Mexican could not be trained on the job much cheaper than you, for your curent job:dthumb:

Jet, 1950 is on line 1 for you... They say if you can get your flux capacitor working they'd be more than happy to have your ideals back! Moving back to a previous point I made to you LONG ago when the subject of globalization and competing markets was brought up... What do you suppose the US should do... sit back and let cheap labor around the world undermine our ability to be an economic powerhouse? Or... embrace the global market for all it's worth and stay afloat as properous nation? Insert Jeopardy music here Your view is so short-sighted I don't even know where to begin... How about with the auto industry?... GM and Ford are folding like plastic lawn chair under Rosie O'Donnell... Wonder why that is? Perhaps it's the fact that the unions are stopping them from keeping their business lucrative by having to guarantee large wages for low skill level employees... So now I have to ask, what's better... losing your job and not having any skills? or keeping your job, but at a reduced wage? You forgot thank you, please drive through.:dthumb: Enjoy your China poducts for now:dthumb: Not everybody in America can have upscale educations:whistle:

Gas, Point being Mexican can also do your job, since training is on the job. Tell us why a Mexican could not be trained on the job much cheaper than you, for your curent job:dthumb: because of the burritoes!

because of the burritoes! Point made burritoes can will do your job:dthumb:

Enjoy your China poducts for now:dthumb: Not everybody in America can have upscale educations:whistle: http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/****/onesickpsycho/BS.jpg Enjoy my China products for now... Does that mean that China is going away? Everybody in America can have 'upscale' educations (whatever the hell that is supposed to insinuate)... Poorer folks are eligible for so many scholarships and grants it's amazing... Middle class folks get the shorter end of the stick and have to borrow for their education... I use myself as an example every time someone says they cannot afford to go to college... I am $30k in debt and do not regret one penny of it... Sure, paying it off is a biznatch, but I am worth so much more to employers with that little piece of paper than without... Just out of curiousity, what do you do for a living? I am under the assumption that you have some money... seem to recall a Vette, BMW bike, and a 2nd home... Is all of your soapbox grandstanding a result of a guilty conscious?

because of the burritoes! http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o302/saverok69/1497.jpg

Point made burritoes can will do your job:dthumb: Yeah sure... but the point is that my company would still pay the same. So the idea that they hire some other race and it changes the job pay or job completely.. with my company is completely insane. Not going to happen. Further, at least my job is in the service industry... that way it can't be shipped overseas.

so there......:lol:

1950 is on line 1. :rofl3: Damn that is funny. :lol:

1950 is on line 1. :rofl3: Damn that is funny. :lol: exactly what i was thinking, :lol:

Enjoy my China products for now... Does that mean that China is going away? Everybody in America can have 'upscale' educations (whatever the hell that is supposed to insinuate)... Poorer folks are eligible for so many scholarships and grants it's amazing... Middle class folks get the shorter end of the stick and have to borrow for their education... I use myself as an example every time someone says they cannot afford to go to college... I am $30k in debt and do not regret one penny of it... Sure, paying it off is a biznatch, but I am worth so much more to employers with that little piece of paper than without... Just out of curiousity, what do you do for a living? I am under the assumption that you have some money... seem to recall a Vette, BMW bike, and a 2nd home... Is all of your soapbox grandstanding a result of a guilty conscious?[/QUOTE] True poor do have many breaks for college. But over 50% population donot attend college for one reason or another. Do you suggest non college population should not have well paying jobs available? Gasman's good example, has nice job without college. Jobs like Gasman's these days are rare and being cut for cheaper labor. Since you support factory jobs to cheapest country such as China. If major war happened, would China be making our military parts? Believe it or not millwright and machinist are skilled jobs that take many years to perfect:dthumb: Point being if middle class has no well paying jobs who is going to buy all those cars, washing machines ect ? Middle class used to have good jobs for these purchases. Young Americans these days are only looking after themself, past Americans looked after our country:cheers: Go shop at Walmart you may need to learn Chinese to be future Amercian ten years from now. $30K cheap for college education these days, have child first year of pharmacy school UCSF:crazy: Own engineering contractor business specializing multi story office buildings:cheers:

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http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/pantybunch.jpg Put our heads in sand, all problems will go away:willy:

Put our heads in sand, all problems will go away:willy: http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/22-hats.gif

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/22-hats.gif Problem solved:cheers:

Problem solved:cheers: Sweet. :cheers:

You're right about one thing Jetski for sure. My jobs are rare. What makes it even more rare that in my companies historry sense 1886 they have never laid off one person. Further that our turn over rate is nearly ziltch!

True poor do have many breaks for college. But over 50% population donot attend college for one reason or another. Do you suggest non college population should not have well paying jobs available? Gasman's good example, has nice job without college. Jobs like Gasman's these days are rare and being cut for cheaper labor. It's not so much about college vs. no college... it's about skill vs. no skill... GM learned a skill/trade/whatever and that's the way it should be... It doesn't make sense to get paid $20/hr to push a button 5,000 times a day to stamp out bumpers or put four bolts into a door... Think about it this way, I went to Valvoline the other day to get my oil changed... Having known someone who worked there recently, I know those guys are making around $10/hr and they need to have more knowledge/skill than the generic factory worker. Are you saying they are grossly underpaid? Well by that logic I think we can all agree that working at McDonald's sucks and is a low skill position, so I guess they should be making $20/hr too. I bet the manager who runs the store on a daily basis doesn't make $20/hr! Since you support factory jobs to cheapest country such as China. If major war happened, would China be making our military parts? Believe it or not millwright and machinist are skilled jobs that take many years to perfect:dthumb: You cannot compare skilled jobs to bolting down seats to the floor of a car all day long... Apples and oranges... And for the record... Mexico would be making our parts... Point being if middle class has no well paying jobs who is going to buy all those cars, washing machines ect ? Middle class used to have good jobs for these purchases. There are plenty of good jobs out there, but why does it make sense to have low/no skill positions that pay so much? Where is the logic? Young Americans these days are only looking after themself, past Americans looked after our country:cheers: Go shop at Walmart you may need to learn Chinese to be future Amercian ten years from now. So you were thinking of America when you bought your foreign motorcycle... $30K cheap for college education these days, have child first year of pharmacy school UCSF:crazy: Well I was also paying $625/mo to the school while racking up that $30k... I guess I also forgot to factor in the $8k I've already paid back... :cry: And many public universities are under $30k for four years... Own engineering contractor business specializing multi story office buildings:cheers: Right on... Now did you have to bust your azz and take risks to get there... Or did you walk into the place with no skills and immediately started making $40k/yr...

all i know is that My job can't be out sourced. Because someone in another country can't do it here. I'm a manager/pilot for a courier company. Lets see them take my job and give it to a foreign country. :lol: that might be sort of hard to accomplish on their part.:skep:

My job can't be outsourced either...too many rookies like Gasman would come back with blue video.

My job can't be outsourced either...too many rookies like Gasman would come back with blue video. :lol: but blue video rocks......J/K :lol:

:lol: but blue video rocks......J/K :lol: Blue video is cold. Free prize for the first person who knows what the hell that means.

Blue video is cold. Free prize for the first person who knows what the hell that means. Means they never up-fed the super computer!

Means they never up-fed the super computer! I have no idea what that means. We shoot on tapes and edit to tape. No computer involved. So...you lose. Next....:tt:

Blue video is cold. Free prize for the first person who knows what the hell that means. Isn't blue video all about white balance?

Blue video is cold. Free prize for the first person who knows what the hell that means. Evans Blue has a video for the song Cold. :lol:

I have no idea what that means. We shoot on tapes and edit to tape. No computer involved. So...you lose. Next....:tt: That means you forgot to put ketchup on your hot dog.

Blue video is cold. Free prize for the first person who knows what the hell that means. Why, that would be the classic porn series, a.k.a. Electric Blue starring the likes of Ginger Lynn, Christy Canyon, Traci "lordy I'm underage" Lords, Uncle Tom Byron, Hairy Herschel Savage, and a boat load of other no names who most likely died young, but with a big ole smile on their face. Do I win?

Why, that would be the classic porn series, a.k.a. Electric Blue starring the likes of Ginger Lynn, Christy Canyon, Traci "lordy I'm underage" Lords, Uncle Tom Byron, Hairy Herschel Savage, and a boat load of other no names who most likely died young, but with a big ole smile on their face. Do I win? rept...:lol:

Isn't blue video all about white balance? DING DING DING! We have a winner. You have to tell the camera what "white" is based on your lighting...all light sources have a color temperature..based on degrees Kelvin. If your white balance number is cooler than the light source temperature then you get blue video...opposite is orange or warm video...which the human eye tends to like more than blue.

DING DING DING! We have a winner. You have to tell the camera what "white" is based on your lighting...all light sources have a color temperature..based on degrees Kelvin. If your white balance number is cooler than the light source temperature then you get blue video...opposite is orange or warm video...which the human eye tends to like more than blue. So you said I win a prize... :idk: Does it help that I also know that you are more likely to get blue video outdoors and it's compliment red video indoors?

So you said I win a prize... :idk: Does it help that I also know that you are more likely to get blue video outdoors and it's compliment red video indoors? Your prize is reps. They've been awarded. And actually I find that outdoors you can almost always get a good high white balance...there are tricks to manipulating the camera...like underexposing shot and w.b.'ing in the shade will yield higher numbers. I like an 8.5 or higher outdoors (8500K)...that will give you a good orange tint...slightly warmer than the human eye sees.