College or Car

Well heres the thing i was talking to my parents and we got on the subject of cars. Well we are discussing me either going straight to a 4 year college or going to a JC for 2 years (with good grades) and getting a car under 20 grand then transferring out to a college. Im gonna bring up possibly getting an early 70's K-5 blazer for around 6-8 grand and maybe sweet talking into a 1 or 2 year old gixxer 1000. Meanwhile i would be working part time. What do you guys think?

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Let me put this in perspective for you... Is giving up tens of thousands of dollars in future income worth having a POS Blazer now? Don't sell yourself short. Go to the 4-year university, get a degree and a job, and buy yourself a fleet of tricked out Blazers, one for each day of the week. That in addition to bikes for sport, dirt, touring, and whatever other kind of riding you wish. (Or, failing that, you can more so enjoy the company of your wife and two kids instead. :lol:) Believe me, you won't miss having a car while you're in school because you won't need it. Anything a student could possibly want is within walking distance of a college campus, and if you absolutely need to drive somewhere then you will have made plenty of friends who own cars. You don't need a car while you are in school. Trust me on that point, because I didn't. Before anyone flames me, don't get me wrong... There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 2-year degree or a community college. Hell, I even took summer classes at one to earn extra credit hours when I was in school. But if you have the chance to go to a university and earn a bachelor's degree, then that is an opportunity you do not want to pass up. I hate to say that opportunities in life come easier based on one's credentials and connections as opposed to a proven track record, but that's often a fact of life. Consider that when weighing your decision. :2cents: :luck:

Depends... Are you a party-type individual? If you don't think you are going to be able to control yourself in a 4-year college, go to a JC and get good grades and transfer over after you have completed your core. If you aren't worried about grades being an issue definitely go to a 4-year right away over a crappy blazer.

ok im not a party type and i did not make myself clear i would go to a community collegfe for 2 years then transfer to a 4 year school. And grades do worry me because im not a bright individual when it comes to acedemics, point beiong i dont think im mature enough to go away to school without ****ing it up. Whats the difference between going to a jc for 2 years then transferring and just going straight to a 4 year school?

i went the four and ahalf year route, i have my good times (this might explain my spelling) drank my beers and had my fun, but 4 years demands you get your **** done and have your priorites in check when you start, if anyone told me it was this hard when i started, i wouldnt believe them, its not easy, but it is worth it, **** one nice car, when u graduate, you can afford alot more then that, hind sight is 20/20, and make the investment into your future, sitck it out, pass on the beer once a week and go 4 years in 4 years, you wont regret it :dthumbs: :cheers: the best part is the times you have and the ppl you will meet, i wish i had more time to ride between tests and class, but its worth going

ok im not a party type and i did not make myself clear i would go to a community collegfe for 2 years then transfer to a 4 year school. And grades do worry me because im not a bright individual when it comes to acedemics, point beiong i dont think im mature enough to go away to school without ****ing it up. Whats the difference between going to a jc for 2 years then transferring and just going straight to a 4 year school? You lose out on opportunities. You can still get internships, but they are harder to come by and not many companies like transfer interns. Coops are almost an impossibility to get unless you are lucky due to the time constraint you have coming in with only two years left. You won't lose much academically if you go to a good JC or CC, but some companies view transfers a little lower than people that went the full 4. That can always be made up with a person that can sell his/herself well.

ok im not a party type and i did not make myself clear i would go to a community collegfe for 2 years then transfer to a 4 year school. And grades do worry me because im not a bright individual when it comes to acedemics, point beiong i dont think im mature enough to go away to school without ****ing it up. Whats the difference between going to a jc for 2 years then transferring and just going straight to a 4 year school? you dont think you're mature enough to goto school by yourself without f'ing it up? like uncontrolably or like...you just wont want to go....thats not immaturity, thats laziness. im not flaming you, because i've been enrolled in TWO colleges, and gone a total of TWO days. I CANT do college. i always hated school, it's not my thing, to spend money on. I've come to discover in life, there is two paths. have nothing you REALLY want and be pretty much broke for 4-6 years after high school and get a REAL good degree, which still doesnt guarantee a great entry level job, but alot better than most other people, OR, you can go into entry level as soon as you get out of high school, and start working your way up. L48Shark i dont know how old you are, but judging from your post, you havent been in the market for a job recently, you've probably got a comfortable career, because right now college degrees arent worth peanuts unless you goto school to be a lawyer a doctor or maybe a few select other things. if you're going to school for technology, forget it. jobs are few and far between and it's a waste of money, get some certifications in certain fields and you'll go farther. Lastly...you were talking about having appx 20k to work with, and you mentioned discussing this with your parents and "sweet talking" a gixxer 1000. well, to me that indicates it's THEIR money. so no matter what anyone on here tells you, no matter what i said about jobs and school right now, if they are willing to pay to get you a 4 year degree....go get a 4 year degree. as much as i hate school if college was free i'd have a degree. I make good money in my field, very good for my age (approximately 38k/year above average) but i have to work for every penny. it would be easier if someone paid for me to get a good college education and i could have started at a higher pay for less work. no matter what your choice, before you make a descision, look at the job market and entry level requirements for what you want to goto school for, research the facts, see how long thats been entry level requirements, see if the average salary is going up or down, all those things you need to consider before choosing a 4 year school, because SO MUCH can change in 4 years. i have friends that have college degrees, and no jobs, and i also have friends with no high school diplomas, one is a .NET programmer at 79k/year and the other is a network admin at 57k/year. both on entry level.

you dont think you're mature enough to goto school by yourself without f'ing it up? like uncontrolably or like...you just wont want to go....thats not immaturity, thats laziness. im not flaming you, because i've been enrolled in TWO colleges, and gone a total of TWO days. I CANT do college. i always hated school, it's not my thing, to spend money on. I've come to discover in life, there is two paths. have nothing you REALLY want and be pretty much broke for 4-6 years after high school and get a REAL good degree, which still doesnt guarantee a great entry level job, but alot better than most other people, OR, you can go into entry level as soon as you get out of high school, and start working your way up. L48Shark i dont know how old you are, but judging from your post, you havent been in the market for a job recently, you've probably got a comfortable career, because right now college degrees arent worth peanuts unless you goto school to be a lawyer a doctor or maybe a few select other things. if you're going to school for technology, forget it. jobs are few and far between and it's a waste of money, get some certifications in certain fields and you'll go farther. Lastly...you were talking about having appx 20k to work with, and you mentioned discussing this with your parents and "sweet talking" a gixxer 1000. well, to me that indicates it's THEIR money. so no matter what anyone on here tells you, no matter what i said about jobs and school right now, if they are willing to pay to get you a 4 year degree....go get a 4 year degree. as much as i hate school if college was free i'd have a degree. I make good money in my field, very good for my age (approximately 38k/year above average) but i have to work for every penny. it would be easier if someone paid for me to get a good college education and i could have started at a higher pay for less work. no matter what your choice, before you make a descision, look at the job market and entry level requirements for what you want to goto school for, research the facts, see how long thats been entry level requirements, see if the average salary is going up or down, all those things you need to consider before choosing a 4 year school, because SO MUCH can change in 4 years. i have friends that have college degrees, and no jobs, and i also have friends with no high school diplomas, one is a .NET programmer at 79k/year and the other is a network admin at 57k/year. both on entry level. great advice i must say and to help with the thinking im going for a major in business management and law enforcement( would like to be a police officer or US marshall). Thank you guys for all the feedback and yea im a lazy **** thats why i feel im not mature enough to go away i dont wanna waste ime and money. I still need to see if anyone accepted me.

go to college.

great advice i must say and to help with the thinking im going for a major in business management and law enforcement( would like to be a police officer or US marshall). Thank you guys for all the feedback and yea im a lazy **** thats why i feel im not mature enough to go away i dont wanna waste ime and money. I still need to see if anyone accepted me. I gotta chime in here. Specifically if you don't feel you're mature enough to go away to school and stay focused, and you want a federal law enforcement job. Have you considred the military. If you sign for 3 years with your local national guard. You get about six months to 1 year of OJT and discipline. A three year enlistment (in this day and age will translate into one deployment). You'll get extra college benefits. And Military experience, and being a combat veteran is almost a guarantee to government service (if you have an honorable discharge.) I have many friends in my unit who took Military training as mechanics, used the military bene's for a JC assoc deg in criminal justice, and now are just waiting for the local Police accademy to get enough bodies to start another class. By the time you finish high school, go to basic, and finish your MOS school (job training) it'll be two years from now. Elections will be over, and we'll probably be pulling out of Iraq. I'm just pointing out another option.

L48Shark i dont know how old you are, but judging from your post, you havent been in the market for a job recently, you've probably got a comfortable career, because right now college degrees arent worth peanuts unless you goto school to be a lawyer a doctor or maybe a few select other things. if you're going to school for technology, forget it. jobs are few and far between and it's a waste of money, get some certifications in certain fields and you'll go farther. Lots of good advice from tburda, who has pretty much nailed me. Rept. :dthumb: I'm a 32-year-old IT director who got a job on my first interview out of college, spent 10 years with that company, and recently left there for a job with a small firm where a friend recommended me for my current position. When I left college in the pre-Y2K days of 1996, having a Computer Science degree meant insta-job, with a 4-year degree starting salary second only to Electrical Engineering. The candidate pool was relatively thin then, while the demand was very high. With outsourcing and people jumping on the programming bandwagon, I imagine that has changed. However, it will still be true for the right job in the right area. For example, if you are a nurse and live in my area, right now you can pretty much write your own check. With the growth and influx of people we have here, the medical industry is spread very, very thin. go to college. Short and to the point. :lol: Specifically if you don't feel you're mature enough to go away to school and stay focused, and you want a federal law enforcement job. Have you considred the military. :withstupi

go to college. :iagree: its worth it. no cheap car compares to the benefit that you will get from college.

Let me put this in perspective for you... Is giving up tens of thousands of dollars in future income worth having a POS Blazer now? :iagree: I'd choose education over older vehicle any day.

ok im not a party type and i did not make myself clear i would go to a community collegfe for 2 years then transfer to a 4 year school. And grades do worry me because im not a bright individual when it comes to acedemics, point beiong i dont think im mature enough to go away to school without ****ing it up. Whats the difference between going to a jc for 2 years then transferring and just going straight to a 4 year school? none my friend. You go to any state school for a piece of paper that says you stuck it out for four years. That just tells the company you want to work for that if you can hang onto something as ridiculous as higher education for four years you are bound to stick around in a monotonous mind melting job for another thirty odd years. A degree is a degree, you'll learn more on your first day of your first real job than in a year at college. Do what makes you happy.

I gotta chime in here. Specifically if you don't feel you're mature enough to go away to school and stay focused, and you want a federal law enforcement job. Have you considred the military. If you sign for 3 years with your local national guard. You get about six months to 1 year of OJT and discipline. A three year enlistment (in this day and age will translate into one deployment). You'll get extra college benefits. And Military experience, and being a combat veteran is almost a guarantee to government service (if you have an honorable discharge.) I have many friends in my unit who took Military training as mechanics, used the military bene's for a JC assoc deg in criminal justice, and now are just waiting for the local Police accademy to get enough bodies to start another class. By the time you finish high school, go to basic, and finish your MOS school (job training) it'll be two years from now. Elections will be over, and we'll probably be pulling out of Iraq. I'm just pointing out another option. ive strongly considered the army but i most likely wont be able to pass the physical with my extensive hearing loss. this is the only reason its not a high priority, but im still considering.

Going to college let me retire in my early 50's. Plus, I loved my career and now do things I enjoy more like ride and write. Anyway, you should be able to get a 70's Blazer for $1K, a great bike for $3K, and go to college.

being realistic; 70's Blazer = money and/or time (for fixin' or workin' on it) your not going to have along with school. like No Worries said, get a decent bike for cheap, a cheap used econo car for daily driving and definetly go to school. BUT........ if your really lazy like you said and can't get your head into college life than don't waste Mom&Dad's money with college. Go to a technical school or learn a trade and get out into the work force. bottom line is, most of us here are telling you to go to school because we've 'been there, done that' and know what the deal is. It's your call ultimately. :luck:

being realistic; 70's Blazer = money and/or time (for fixin' or workin' on it) your not going to have along with school. like No Worries said, get a decent bike for cheap, a cheap used econo car for daily driving and definetly go to school. BUT........ if your really lazy like you said and can't get your head into college life than don't waste Mom&Dad's money with college. Go to a technical school or learn a trade and get out into the work force. bottom line is, most of us here are telling you to go to school because we've 'been there, done that' and know what the deal is. It's your call ultimately. :luck: planning on working on it before school and make it a summer project. And i would like to thank everyone for their advice my mom had no college degree and dad had some JC and they went from nothing to millionaires. So im kinda the first one to really go to college. I thank all of you for your advice and will take into great consideration. Thanks guys. Hey i was always pretty good at fighting maybe look into a career in that (hawaiian jujitsu)

Going to college let me retire in my early 50's. Plus, I loved my career and now do things I enjoy more like ride and write. Anyway, you should be able to get a 70's Blazer for $1K, a great bike for $3K, and go to college. :iagree:

1. Go to college! It is 4 years you won't ever have the chance to experience again. Do the work, keep your nose clean, and have some fun while your at it! The opportunities will come to you after school to follow any dream you choose for yourself bikes and cars included! 2. Go to the service! Let them feed and cloth and train you. Volunteer for deployment every chance you get it is 4 years of experience you will never get a chance to live again. Get out and go to college, use the GI bill to experience school in the fullest sense and since you've been wise and saved your military money you get to drive the car and bike you want! The opportunities will come to you after school to follow any dream you choose for yourself! 3. Don't half ass anything. That is what I think of the half in/ half out junior college/ part time job situation or the citizen soldier national guard thing...Make your choice and go full throttle gung ho for what you want, don't look back, don't let anyone sway you over what your heart wants!!!

Don't half ass anything. That is what I think of the half in/ half out junior college/ part time job situation or the citizen soldier national guard thing...Make your choice and go full throttle gung ho for what you want, don't look back, don't let anyone sway you over what your heart wants!!! Some people's lives are not as simple as I just go to a four year college and live in a dorm yea, or I'll just join the army whole hog and travel around and then go to college yea. For some people who might have had situations in their life that required them to work full time even if that wasn't what they really wanted to do. After that period of life which they were working fill time the opportunity to say go to a four year college may and do the university college student thing are then lost forever. Then maybe that person decides to go to junior college because they are tired of working really hard just to make a other people wealthy and want to try to get a slice of the american dream for themselves and their family. Maybe in that case going to junior college and having a job at the same time is not a half assed approach at all but simply a situation arising ffrom nesessity. :sorry: rant over :jacked: actually in Anthony's case I probably agree with you, but I disagree completely that junior college and the national gaurd are half assed at all. The reason those things exist is because everybody doesn't have the same opportunities and everybodies situations aren't the same.

I wish I had this problem when it was time for me to go to school... If you are worried about being able to dedicate yourself to school, pay for it yourself. Not that I had a choice in the matter, but knowing that you are going to get out and be 10's of thousands of dollars in debt is pretty motivational.

I wish I had this problem when it was time for me to go to school... If you are worried about being able to dedicate yourself to school, pay for it yourself. Not that I had a choice in the matter, but knowing that you are going to get out and be 10's of thousands of dollars in debt is pretty motivational. :iagree:

WOW! Byron is just as good at ranting as !SickPsycho!!!:cheers: I know not everyone picks their opportunities all too well. But you do choose on your own. Necessity is a BITCH! Personally I did not go military since they wouldn't qualify me to do what I wanted in the service so I got a half Pell Grant/half band scholarship/half Piggly Wiggly stock boy/ half summer construction laborer job to go to a 4 year. Yes that is 4 halves! Seems I have always worked twice as hard as everyone else to get the same lifestyle:cursin: I did this knowing that the 4 year Business degree would allow me the future I wanted and I went for it WFO! Now I could advise him to stay the hell away from women and don't drink too, but you know that ain't going to happen! In the end it is a personal choice of what to do with the options and opportunities one has and you have to make the choice for yourself and go for it. Byron did what he wanted with the choices he had, I am sure he went WFO too. But whatever route you choose, NO REGRETS!

so it's unanimous then...F the car, go to college. :luck: making this decision and welcome to adulthood. :dthumb: also...please do share the secret of your parents' wealth. no college educations but they are millionaires?! i need to know more about that...

so it's unanimous then...F the car, go to college. :luck: making this decision and welcome to adulthood. :dthumb: also...please do share the secret of your parents' wealth. no college educations but they are millionaires?! i need to know more about that... :iagree:

WOW! Byron is just as good at ranting as !SickPsycho!!!:cheers: I know not everyone picks their opportunities all too well. But you do choose on your own. Necessity is a BITCH! Personally I did not go military since they wouldn't qualify me to do what I wanted in the service so I got a half Pell Grant/half band scholarship/half Piggly Wiggly stock boy/ half summer construction laborer job to go to a 4 year. Yes that is 4 halves! Seems I have always worked twice as hard as everyone else to get the same lifestyle:cursin: I did this knowing that the 4 year Business degree would allow me the future I wanted and I went for it WFO! Now I could advise him to stay the hell away from women and don't drink too, but you know that ain't going to happen! In the end it is a personal choice of what to do with the options and opportunities one has and you have to make the choice for yourself and go for it. Byron did what he wanted with the choices he had, I am sure he went WFO too. But whatever route you choose, NO REGRETS! :iagree: And I respect your history sounds perty tough...:cheers:

Well not as tough as some have had it...at 20 I was married, in college, working 2 jobs, and on government grants...at 20 my grandfather was riding in half tracks, exposed to sniper fire and sub zero temps in Northenr France. I think I had it pretty good:cheers: I will buy you a round next time and we can discuss how I dug myself out of college and into :lol: a new hole!!!

so it's unanimous then...F the car, go to college. :luck: making this decision and welcome to adulthood. :dthumb: also...please do share the secret of your parents' wealth. no college educations but they are millionaires?! i need to know more about that... yeah millionaires how?!?!? and only helping or 20 k for you :wtf: WOW! Byron is just as good at ranting as !SickPsycho!!!:cheers: I know not everyone picks their opportunities all too well. But you do choose on your own. Necessity is a BITCH! Personally I did not go military since they wouldn't qualify me to do what I wanted in the service so I got a half Pell Grant/half band scholarship/half Piggly Wiggly stock boy/ half summer construction laborer job to go to a 4 year. Yes that is 4 halves! Seems I have always worked twice as hard as everyone else to get the same lifestyle:cursin: I did this knowing that the 4 year Business degree would allow me the future I wanted and I went for it WFO! Now I could advise him to stay the hell away from women and don't drink too, but you know that ain't going to happen! In the end it is a personal choice of what to do with the options and opportunities one has and you have to make the choice for yourself and go for it. Byron did what he wanted with the choices he had, I am sure he went WFO too. But whatever route you choose, NO REGRETS! :cheers:

WOW! Byron is just as good at ranting as !SickPsycho!!!:cheers: I know not everyone picks their opportunities all too well. But you do choose on your own. Necessity is a BITCH! Personally I did not go military since they wouldn't qualify me to do what I wanted in the service so I got a half Pell Grant/half band scholarship/half Piggly Wiggly stock boy/ half summer construction laborer job to go to a 4 year. Yes that is 4 halves! Seems I have always worked twice as hard as everyone else to get the same lifestyle:cursin: I did this knowing that the 4 year Business degree would allow me the future I wanted and I went for it WFO! Now I could advise him to stay the hell away from women and don't drink too, but you know that ain't going to happen! In the end it is a personal choice of what to do with the options and opportunities one has and you have to make the choice for yourself and go for it. Byron did what he wanted with the choices he had, I am sure he went WFO too. But whatever route you choose, NO REGRETS! lol i dont party at all and dont plan on it and them women cost money (im a tightwad) so those departments are covered. Only problem is i would rather work than go to college but seems like college says your instantly qualified for whatever you majored in just for putting up with BS form teachers for 4 years. I dont know if i can just sit downn and shut up listening to teachers impose their ideas on students anymore. I know thats how the system works but id rather build bikes with my dad or go be a ****in ditch digger earning my way than go to school for 4 more years.

yeah millionaires how?!?!? and only helping or 20 k for you :wtf: :cheers: sry about the double post well they bought 6 houses in the 80's and 90's before the price market went nuts around here( cheapest house in a ****ty gang area goes for around 600 grand where i live) parents wealth dont bother me i plan on making my own way somehow i got no problem with manual labor matter of fact im not smart so might as well get into the ditch diggin business at least its union. But like i say before thanks for the opinions i love to heat everyones ideas considering you are all older and i assume much wiser, please keep brining in the ideas. Thanks guys

ummm sorry but i said F$#k the 4 year school and go with the car and a bike, and finish up 4 year. dont you people see? his edjucation will only be what he puts into it. If he slacks a four year school he'll not be any better off than if he slacks at a JC. Credits transfer, his diploma will still say USC or wherever he wants to finish. Let the kid indulge a bit. I took a year off after being a 3rd year sophomore, now I got my priorities together and am working 2 jobs i love, and come spring i'll be making a killing in real estate (I now own 1 house and 2 vacant lots, one 2 acres in suburbs and 1 about 500 sqft in the city). I found out college wasnt right for me (at the moment early enough to get out with only 8 grand in debt) and i'll return once i get more adjusted with my real estate stuff. long story short i was lost in college and never found out how to actually apply myself til i decided maybe it wasnt the only route to go. Kid like i said, if you are serious about going to school and you have your mind set on it than you've allready made your choice. But you're still young, so if you're parents are willing to buy you this stuff i'd go for it.

sry about the double post well they bought 6 houses in the 80's and 90's before the price market went nuts around here( cheapest house in a ****ty gang area goes for around 600 grand where i live) parents wealth dont bother me i plan on making my own way somehow i got no problem with manual labor matter of fact im not smart so might as well get into the ditch diggin business at least its union. But like i say before thanks for the opinions i love to heat everyones ideas considering you are all older and i assume much wiser, please keep brining in the ideas. Thanks guys they got a union for everything in california I would build bikes with your dad and take metal fabrication courses a the jc if thats what your into f diggin ditches.:dthumb:

ill do whatever pays the bills only problem is most bike builders dont make **** anymore.

Digging ditches gets pretty old after 5 or 6 years:wink: And it doesn't go far towards paying bills either.:sorry:

around here it does 20$ an hour with benifits and most holidays off