At least 31 dead in Va. Tech shooting rampage

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18134671/?GT1=9246 At least 31 dead in Va. Tech shooting rampage Gunman shoots 30 people in a dorm, second building; suspect also dead BREAKING NEWS NBC, MSNBC and news services Updated: 25 minutes ago BLACKSBURG, Va. - A gunman opened fire in a dormitory and a classroom at a college in Virginia on Monday, killing at least 30 people in the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history. The gunman also was killed, and at least 22 other people were injured. “Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions,” said Charles Steger, president of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, in southwest Virginia. “The university is shocked and indeed horrified.” The shootings spread panic and confusion at the college, which is popularly known as Virginia Tech. Witnesses reporting students jumping out the windows of a classroom building to escape the gunfire. Authorities said the gunman was dead after he shot more than 50 people at two locations on campus. Thirty-one, including the gunman, were confirmed dead, NBC News reported. At least 22 others were being treated at Montgomery Regional Hospital in Blacksburg and Lewis-Gale Medical Center in Salem, the hospitals said. Six of the victims were in surgery, and five were reported in stable condition. The conditions of the 17 others was not immediately reported. The name of the gunman was not released. It was not immediately clear whether he shot himself or was killed by police. The man did not appear to be shooting at random, NBC News’ Pete Williams reported, quoting federal law enforcement officials. He appeared to have specifically targeted the two locations, a co-ed dormitory and a classroom housing engineering and business classes. Law enforcement officials said the gunman carried two weapons, a 9-mm pistol and a 22-caliber handgun, Williams reported. They said gunman chained the doors of the classroom building so his potential victims could not escape and police could not enter. Richard Kolko in Washington, a spokesman for the FBI in Washington, said there was no immediate evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack, “but all avenues will be explored.” Silent gunman ‘just started shooting’ A student in the engineering class describe an “unreal” scene with “blood pretty much everywhere.” “None of us thought it could have been gunshots,” the student, who identified himself as Trey Perkins, told MSNBC’s Chris Jansing in a telephone interview. “... I’m not sure how long it lasted. It seemed like a really long time.” Perkins said the gunman never said a word. “He didn’t say, ‘Get down.’ He didn’t say anything.” He just started shooting.” The gunman left the classroom and then tried to return, but students kept him out by bracing the door closed with their feet. “He started to try to come in again and started shooting through the door,” Perkins said, but hit no one. “I got on the ground and I was just thinking, like, there’s no way I’m going to survive this,” Perkins said. “All I could keep thinking of was my mom.” Until Monday, the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was in Killeen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard drove his pickup into a Luby’s Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself. The deadliest previous campus shooting in U.S. history took place in 1966 at the University of Texas, where Charles Whitman climbed to the 28th-floor observation deck of a clock tower and opened fire. He killed 16 people before he was gunned down by police. In the Columbine High School bloodbath near Littleton, Colo., in 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives. The rampage began about 7:15 a.m. ET at West Ambler Johnston, a coeducational residence hall that houses 895 people. The campus was still under lockdown, with students asked to stay indoors and away from the windows, when authorities got word of more gunfire about two hours later at Norris Hall, a classroom building. Some but not all of the dead were students. One student was killed in the dorm, and the others were killed in the classroom, said Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum. After Monday’s shootings at Virginia Tech, all entrances to the campus were closed. The university set up a meeting place for families to reunite with their children at the Inn at Virginia Tech. It also made counselors available and planned a convocation for Tuesday at the Cassell Coliseum basketball arena. Campus, community left stunned Jamal Albarghouti, a graduate student, said that instead of fleeing, he began shooting video footage on his cell phone. “I’m from the Middle East, so I’m not used to this sort of thing, but I’ve been in similar situations,” Albarghouti told MSNBC-TV. “I heard many gunshots,” perhaps 10 to 15 in just 30 seconds, he said. “I don’t know who made the shots, whether it was the cops or the shooter.” Albarghouti and other students described a stunned campus and surrounding community after the shootings. Derek O’Dell, a sophomore biology major, told MSNBC-TV that it was “very surreal.” “At first, I thought it was joke,” O’Dell said. “You don’t really think of a gunman coming on campus and shooting people.” Albarghouti said: “Everybody here is sad, and you can see that all over. ... We are really looking forward to the end of this, when Blacksburg becomes a really nice town once again.” Bomb threats last two weeks Police said there had been bomb threats on campus over the past two weeks but that they had not determined a link to the shootings. Dana Perino, a White House spokeswoman, said President Bush was horrified by the rampage and offered his prayers to the victims and the people of Virginia. “The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed,” Perino said. It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting. In August, the opening day of classes was canceled and the campus was closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff’s deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

31 damn. cnn reported 21 about 2 hours ago...has it gone up..:scratch: :angelhap:

31 damn. cnn reported 21 about 2 hours ago...has it gone up..:scratch: :angelhap: yeah they are at 31 dead including the shooter. Also 22 others were injured. The guy shot atleast 50 people!

yeah they are at 31 dead including the shooter. Also 22 others were injured. The guy shot atleast 50 people! :nonod: damn....

:nonod: damn.... Yeah really it's pretty f'd up. I was talking to my boss earlier about it. We both think it's pretty f'd up for a college level to go that far. We could see more of the high school or middle school level doing some f'd up s*it since they get picked on or what ever the case..... but, damn.... college.

Yeah really it's pretty f'd up. I was talking to my boss earlier about it. We both think it's pretty f'd up for a college level to go that far. We could see more of the high school or middle school level doing some f'd up s*it since they get picked on or what ever the case..... but, damn.... college. any word on "WHY?" yet?

Tragic. Thats all I can think to say. My thoughts are with the families. I hope their healing is speedy.

any word on "WHY?" yet? Nope, none at all yet. Everyone says the shooter didn't say anything to anyone.... just walked in and started shooting.

Nope, none at all yet. Everyone says the shooter didn't say anything to anyone.... just walked in and started shooting. jacked up...

Update: 33 dead now.

Update: 33 dead now. :cursin: what the **** is wrong with people these days.

:nonod: this is sooo ridiculous, im not for gun control, but ya know sometimes it doesnt seem like such a bad thing.

This happened a few hours away from me, it's been all over our news, press conference was about an hour ago... 2 dead in 7:15 AM AJ dorm shooting, then 31 more dead, including shooter, 2 hours later at Norris Hall. Shooter chained some of the doors in Norris Hall. :nonod: There are no words. :cry:

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That's horrible. I pray for them and their families. Really hits home cause it's like Columbine all over again (I had a few friends that went there). Honestly I don't know what provokes people to do this. How can you go into a public place and just start shooting anyone that is there. I don't understand it. That just doesn't set in my mind why someone would or how they could do that. And what is up with them always killing themselves afterwards? What...you're so bad ass to shoot others but you can't take the reprocussions for your actions so you have to take the easy way out? But then again if he didn't shoot himself (or the cops, it's still debatable) then I'm sure someone probably would have.

horrible. :nonod:

First thing i will says this is horrible and my prayers go out to their families. Whats wrong is the universities crackdown on guns which only stops the law abiding citizens from carry weapons. If a teacher or another student with a legal concealed carry license was allowed to have their firearm on campus this wouldn't have happened that stupid kid would have met his end at the start. Outlawing all firearms is not the answer either. Our nation being on the border with countries like Mexico insure that illegal arms trade would exploded and the drug runners now have a whole new business to earn revenue from. Then we would really have to live in fear because only the scum of society would possess firearms and persons who obey the laws would be helpless to defend ourselves. EVERYONE would become a target for crime with the only thing standing in there ways is our badly constructed policing forces which work independently from each other.

Man my condolences go to the families of the victims. That sucks SO bad! :nonod: F*CK that coward shooter, I hope there is a hell just so ass-holes like him can burn in it for eternity.

I think im gonna try to get into politics when i get out of the Army. Anything like this sparks a fire under me and i could easily right an hour speech on it. hmmm.....

First thing i will says this is horrible and my prayers go out to their families. Whats wrong is the universities crackdown on guns which only stops the law abiding citizens from carry weapons. If a teacher or another student with a legal concealed carry license was allowed to have their firearm on campus this wouldn't have happened that stupid kid would have met his end at the start. Outlawing all firearms is not the answer either. Our nation being on the border with countries like Mexico insure that illegal arms trade would exploded and the drug runners now have a whole new business to earn revenue from. Then we would really have to live in fear because only the scum of society would possess firearms and persons who obey the laws would be helpless to defend ourselves. EVERYONE would become a target for crime with the only thing standing in there ways is our badly constructed policing forces which work independently from each other. :iagree:

:nonod: just tragic :angelhap:

honestly i dont know about having the right to bear arms in college, it would be nice to have my 1911 for my field work, but some idiots could not handle that much responsibility

( im doing field reseach in the booines of northern oh about a couples miles from all known life and the security would be nice)

i dont know how school makes it any different then rest of the country you can carry guns anywhere except for the places that get shot up all the time it. It proves my point about only the scum of society having access to guns. Look how defenseless the rest of the school was without anyway to protect themselves. Imagine if no guns laws were applied to the rest of the nation the choas that would ensue. The school is almost like a real life test bed for how effective these laws would be. I know i wouldn't want to put myself in such a situation as to be completely defenseless. Its also shows how useless law enforcement is at preventing these incidents. A metal detector and a complacent security guard do nothing to help the situation when the gunner just walks in and shoots him right off the bat. The guards weapon is holstered and doesn't even have a round cambered. These things are there just to keep honest people honest thats all.

any word on "WHY?" yet? No and they aren't releasing info on if he shot himself or the cops got him... Strange. :scratch: :nonod: this is sooo ridiculous, im not for gun control, but ya know sometimes it doesnt seem like such a bad thing. Take guns away from the good people and what do you get? All the guns are held by bad people with no regard for the law. NOT GOOD. First thing i will says this is horrible and my prayers go out to their families. Whats wrong is the universities crackdown on guns which only stops the law abiding citizens from carry weapons. If a teacher or another student with a legal concealed carry license was allowed to have their firearm on campus this wouldn't have happened that stupid kid would have met his end at the start. Outlawing all firearms is not the answer either. Our nation being on the border with countries like Mexico insure that illegal arms trade would exploded and the drug runners now have a whole new business to earn revenue from. Then we would really have to live in fear because only the scum of society would possess firearms and persons who obey the laws would be helpless to defend ourselves. EVERYONE would become a target for crime with the only thing standing in there ways is our badly constructed policing forces which work independently from each other. :withstupi Every state that has enacted CCW permit laws has seen reductions in crime. It wasn't too long ago that the Senate stopped a bill allowing CCW permit holders the freedom to have their guns on college campuses. It's a stretch, but I wonder if anyone could have been saved if there was one CCW permit holder there. :idk: , but it's worth thinking about. i dont know how school makes it any different then rest of the country you can carry guns anywhere except for the places that get shot up all the time Funny how that works.

What the hell is wrong with people, I want to move to a deserted island. With paved roads and a BP of course. :cin:

Every state that has enacted CCW permit laws has seen reductions in crime. It wasn't too long ago that the Senate stopped a bill allowing CCW permit holders the freedom to have their guns on college campuses. It's a stretch, but I wonder if anyone could have been saved if there was one CCW permit holder there. :idk: , but it's worth thinking about. When I watched the evening news they were saying that the gunman shot himself and the number of dead was 33. They also interviewed the guy that was in the room where the shooter left and came back. He said that the shooter had a vest on with extra clips and that he appeared trained based off how fast he reloaded. I think it's odd that they haven't identified the shooter yet, I heard a couple news anchors say that it was because he was shot in the face but a 9 mm doesn't do all that much damage. A 22 even less. As to onesickpsycho, even if one of the students on campus this morning had a CCW and was carrying the college campus is huge so I don't know how much that one person would have been able to help unless they were unlucky enough to be in one of the groups singled out. If they were though, I would hope they would have done something and maybe it would have saved many lives. I grew up around guns, in fact we just bought a 22 pistol similar to the one the shooter in Virginia used, and I wouldn't be against guns being allowed on campus. In fact I would like that since I am a female and I take late classes. I walk around campus alone at night so I would feel very safe just to have my pistol with me (not even loaded). I don't believe that gun laws have any connection to these shootings though. All those effected by this will be in my thoughts for a long time to come.

Not really saying it had anything to do with it, though it may have prevented or lessened the families morning right now

Not really saying it had anything to do with it, though it may have prevented or lessened the families morning right now I think in the grand scheme of things that's unlikely. :2cents:

well i know if i was going to school there and i was carring he wouldnt have a chance. Well i guess i do train to kill people everyday:idk:

Take guns away from the good people and what do you get? All the guns are held by bad people with no regard for the law. NOT GOOD. :iagree: Me and my family's prayers to all involved.

:yikes: Man, that is just F'ed up! What the hell is wrong with people?

I cant believe that this happened its still feels like it hasnt happened and im just, like damn. why? i really want to know if they can uncover his motive and find out why he did this and y two locations

First off, this is a terrible tragedy, and my thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims. As to what this guy was thinking, who knows. There is a serious short circuit in someone's head when their answer to a problem is to go on a shooting spree. Psychologists will say this and that, but honestly, when a person snaps to this extent, there is no amount of therapy or treatment that can fix the problem. Now, on to the logistics of what happened. I find it incredible, that armed with a handgun(s) only, that a person could kill or wound upwards of 30 people without someone taking him down. Obviously its possible, but I just can't picture it.

So was this guy an engineering student? It looks that way. Leave it to a crazy engineer to go postal. :nonod:

yeah and it heard the first two people he killed was his ex girlfriend and a student advisor. And this kid is 19-21. Not like I have a lot of room to talk since I'm only 23 but still I NEVER thought about going nuts in a school with a gun. Just sad:nonod:

Virginia Tech shooter identified * Gunman identified as Cho Seung-hui, a 23-year-old English major from South Korea * Ballistics tests show one of the guns found was used in the dorm and classroom building shootings http://www.cnn.com/ very sad RIP I also heard on the news not to long ago that he shot those 2 people, returned to his dorm and reloaded. He also wrote a note and then proceeded to the other hall.

Virginia Tech shooter identified * Gunman identified as Cho Seung-hui, a 23-year-old English major from South Korea More complete failures of gun control. There is no way he could have purchased either of these firearms legally.

More complete failures of gun control. There is no way he could have purchased either of these firearms legally. From what I have heard, VA is about as lax on gun control as they come... I think the rule is you cannot buy more than one gun a day...

but federal law prohibits the sale to non us citizens and felons

but federal law prohibits the sale to non us citizens and felons True dat.

It doesn't matter where the shooter got the gun, or if he even purchased it legally. It's not hard for anyone to get their hands on a gun. I don't care if you have a CCDW license or not.... anyone could still walk in some where and start firing rounds. The kid was just f'd up.

seriel numbers were filed away. and as for the how fast he reloaded...you don't have to be that trained. I go to the firing range quite often. plus I do have a concealed permit. it doesn't take that much "if" he already had multiple clips and they were already loaded. the 22 no it wouldn't do a hell of alot of damage. but it would hold some one off while you were reloading. The way he did it from all accounts was that he would open the door and get them from there keeping everyone in front of him. not allowing them to charge him. he would then walk away drop clip slam clip and move on.... as for the 9mm not doing much damage....if you put that under your chin not much of your face is going to be left. :nonod: sad day....but I would have to agree if there was a concealed student...or teacher...or hell and freaking armed guard not all would have been saved, but the numbers would have been considerably less I would think.

seriel numbers were filed away. and as for the how fast he reloaded...you don't have to be that trained. I go to the firing range quite often. plus I do have a concealed permit. it doesn't take that much "if" he already had multiple clips and they were already loaded. the 22 no it wouldn't do a hell of alot of damage. but it would hold some one off while you were reloading. The way he did it from all accounts was that he would open the door and get them from there keeping everyone in front of him. not allowing them to charge him. he would then walk away drop clip slam clip and move on.... as for the 9mm not doing much damage....if you put that under your chin not much of your face is going to be left. :nonod: sad day....but I would have to agree if there was a concealed student...or teacher...or hell and freaking armed guard not all would have been saved, but the numbers would have been considerably less I would think. Even if you are a CCDW holder... you can't carry in all places. I believe it's illegal to have them on schools.... I'd have to check my CCDW book... I know you can't carry on federal property such as the Post Office. All CCDW laws for each state are on www.packing.org

Even if you are a CCDW holder... you can't carry in all places. I believe it's illegal to have them on schools.... I'd have to check my CCDW book... I know you can't carry on federal property such as the Post Office. All CCDW laws for each state are on www.packing.org yea...its illegal...but that is my point..."if" it wasn't..

well i know if i was going to school there and i was carring he wouldnt have a chance. Well i guess i do train to kill people everyday:idk: Same for me, well about the first part. But there are alot of people and just because you're there doesn't mean he'll find you or that you'll find him. Now, on to the logistics of what happened. I find it incredible, that armed with a handgun(s) only, that a person could kill or wound upwards of 30 people without someone taking him down. Obviously its possible, but I just can't picture it. It sounds to me like he has been training, I know that I just bought a pistol and my aim sucks so 33/50 is good aim. So was this guy an engineering student? It looks that way. Leave it to a crazy engineer to go postal. :nonod: An engineering student would make a lot of sense. If any major is more likely to make you snap it's that one. and as for the how fast he reloaded...you don't have to be that trained. I go to the firing range quite often. plus I do have a concealed permit. it doesn't take that much "if" he already had multiple clips and they were already loaded. the 22 no it wouldn't do a hell of alot of damage. but it would hold some one off while you were reloading. The way he did it from all accounts was that he would open the door and get them from there keeping everyone in front of him. not allowing them to charge him. he would then walk away drop clip slam clip and move on.... as for the 9mm not doing much damage....if you put that under your chin not much of your face is going to be left. Oh yes, good point about the 9mm. I forgot about that. As I said, I don't think he was "trained" necessarily but I would guess that he's had practice with pistols. The witness seemed to think he had training but yeah, that doesn't mean it's true.

So let the sensationalism and agenda pushing begin... I was watching one of those news shows when I got home tonight... Some chick on there, to paraphrase, "... whatever the problem is, you have to question gun control... it's easier to get guns in this country more than any other and we're the only country that has these type of shootings." I'm left thinking, there are actually people out there who will believe this crap.

I dont know if anyone listans to Lex & Terry in the morning but if you do then this morning they were all yelling fighting arguing and getting pissed at eachother over the whole incident. they really had different views on gun control and try not to break the constitution. it was a real mess. Damn Cho Seung Hui. y the hell did he have to go and do that. God Bless All and let god have mercy on his soul, and the souls of the victims. let the families be okay and let us all pray fo them.

Good points Tallywacker- If there was any doubt on if gun control actually worked- This tradgedy should serve as verification- GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK. It amazes me that people believe laws will prevent criminals from owning firearms or from bringing them in to places where they are banned (schools/banks, ect)... why do you think they are called criminals? I mean picture the criminal about to perform a mass shooting- he approaches the door- sees the sign that reads-"firearms prohibited"... he then says to himself- "well I cant shoot anyone here cause its against the rules to take my gun inside"... yeah um- I DONT THINK SO EITHER. The only people that will follow your restrictions are those who abide by the law in the first place. There is no excuse why this shooting spree lasted for hours other then the fact that the local police dept is worthless! Not to mention the school's security.

So was this guy an engineering student? It looks that way. Leave it to a crazy engineer to go postal. :nonod: Seems about right, l know a lot of people that cracked in school, they never went off, but they got out of engineering real fast. It's not an easy path and if you can't handle the pressure, some will snap, especially if you already have mental problems as it seems this guy did. Stalking girls and other such nonsense.

This is just horrible... no ther way to slice it. And now the families of those 32 dead have to go on the rest of their lives with no closure cause this whack job did himself in. But what I don't understand is why didn't somebody just rush him! That's what I don't get. I will tell you this. this makes me want to get my CCW that much more!

This is just horrible... no ther way to slice it. And now the families of those 32 dead have to go on the rest of their lives with no closure cause this whack job did himself in. But what I don't understand is why didn't somebody just rush him! That's what I don't get. I will tell you this. this makes me want to get my CCW that much more! I was wondering the same thing- I'd rather get shot rushing him then in the back running.

Ya know what pisses me off.... Our local news showes local universities & colleges and they try to say things like VT didn't do the right process after the first shooting.... and they say they should have done this and that! :wtf: people!!! It's always this way... They shoulda, woulda, coulda. Same :bs: we went thru on 9-11.

This is just horrible... no ther way to slice it. And now the families of those 32 dead have to go on the rest of their lives with no closure cause this whack job did himself in. But what I don't understand is why didn't somebody just rush him! That's what I don't get. I will tell you this. this makes me want to get my CCW that much more! I wonder that too but I don't think people charging gun men is really that common in these shootings. As far as I know no one has done such things in any other school shootings or at least if they did no one lived to tell about it.

This is up on the Netscape home page now: Shooter's Writings (http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewsbloggers.aol.com%2F2007%2F04%2F17%2Fcho-seung-huis-plays%2F&frame=true) I read through both plays. Man, this guy was a couple sandwiches short of a picnic. I wish somebody, ANYBODY, did something about this fruit loop before he hurt and killed people. :(

Good points Tallywacker- If there was any doubt on if gun control actually worked- This tradgedy should serve as verification- GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK. It amazes me that people believe laws will prevent criminals from owning firearms or from bringing them in to places where they are banned (schools/banks, ect)... why do you think they are called criminals? I mean picture the criminal about to perform a mass shooting- he approaches the door- sees the sign that reads-"firearms prohibited"... he then says to himself- "well I cant shoot anyone here cause its against the rules to take my gun inside"... yeah um- I DONT THINK SO EITHER. The only people that will follow your restrictions are those who abide by the law in the first place. There is no excuse why this shooting spree lasted for hours other then the fact that the local police dept is worthless! Not to mention the school's security. :iagree: what they don't understand is that europe has the same problems. hell look at the the bombings and such they have over there. Those also happen more often. Plus if you ban weapons the all they are going to do is run guns in to the country...remember drugs are illegal here too..and guess what I can go right on down the street or just call someone and get some. do you think that it is going to stop if you just ban them...nope....now I do agree on the fact that the normal average everyday physco can get a weapon to easily. Look at the fact that it took 10 minutes for someone not a resident to get 2 hand guns...not one but 2.

I wonder that too but I don't think people charging gun men is really that common in these shootings. As far as I know no one has done such things in any other school shootings or at least if they did no one lived to tell about it. ppl in that situation don't think logically "I should take him out before he takes more ppl out" in such a situation your survival instincts take over...and you run the f*ck away. as far as gun control... in the isolated situation that someone has a handgun during a situation like that, maybe it would have helped. but does it really make sense to loosen gun control as a solution to this??? unfortunately I can't think of a good solution but IMO thats NOT one of them. :2cents:

This whole thing is going to be worse than Ann Nicole Smith... but at least maybe that stops! :nonod:

Here's an interesting twist to the story... NBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/from/ET/) is reporting that Cho sent them pictures and video the morning of the shooting, between the time he shot the two people in the dorm and the classroom shootings :eek: (cut/pasted here from the site): ********************************************************** Sometime after he killed two people in a Virginia university dormitory but before he slaughtered 30 more in a classroom building Monday morning, Cho Seung-Hui sent NBC News a rambling communication and videos about his grievances, the network said Wednesday. Cho, 23, a senior English major at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, killed 32 people in two attacks Monday before taking his own life. Network officials turned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediately disclose its contents beyond characterizing the material as “disturbing.” It included a written communication, photographs and video. Brian Williams, anchor and managing editor of “NBC Nightly News,” said in a posting on the program’s “Daily Nightly” blog that the communication was received earlier Wednesday. He described it as a very long “multimedia manifesto.” The package, timestamped in the two-hour window between Monday's shootings, was sent to NBC News head Steve Capus. It contained digital photos of the gunman holding weapons and a manifesto that "rants against rich people and warns that he wants to get even," The Associated Press quoted an unidentified New York law enforcement official familiar with the case as saying. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about it. Police said the development might be "a very new, critical component of this investigation." "We're in the process right now of attempting to analyze and evaluate its worth," said Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police. As early as 2005, police and school administrators were wrestling with what to do with Cho, who was accused of stalking two female students and was sent to a mental health facility after police obtained a temporary detention order. The two women complained to campus police that Cho was contacting them with “annoying” telephone calls and e-mail messages in November and December 2005, campus Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said. Cho was referred to the university’s disciplinary system, but Flinchum said the woman declined to press charges, and the case apparently never reached a hearing. Detention order issued However, after the second incident, the department received a call from an acquaintance of Cho’s, who was concerned that he might be suicidal, Flinchum said. Police obtained a temporary detention order from a local magistrate, and in December of that year, Cho was voluntarily but briefly admitted to Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, NBC News’ Jim Popkin reported. To issue a detention order under Virginia law, a magistrate must find both that the subject is “mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment” and that the subject is “an imminent danger to himself or others, or is so seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unable to care for himself.” According to a doctor’s report accompanying the order, which was first reported by the Richmond Times-Dispatch, Cho was “depressed,” but “his insight and judgment are normal.” The doctor, a clinical psychologist who was not identified, noted that Cho “denies suicidal ideations.” Under the law, the magistrate could have issued a stronger detention order mandating inpatient treatment, but there was no indication Wednesday that such an order was ever entered. A spokesman for Carilion St. Albans told NBC News that he could not discuss Cho’s case because of patient confidentiality and privacy laws, but he said the hospital was cooperating with the investigation. Otherwise, Flinchum said, there were no further police incidents involving Cho until the deadly shootings Monday, first in a young woman’s dormitory room and then at a classroom building across campus. Neither of the alleged stalking victims was among the victims Monday. In addition to the 33 people confirmed dead, including the gunman, nine people remained in hospitals in stable condition, hospital authorities said. Health records sought Campus police applied Wednesday for search warrants for all of Cho’s medical records from Schiffert Health Center on campus and New River Community Services in Blacksburg. ”It is reasonable to believe that the medical records may provide evidence of motive, intent and designs,” investigators wrote in the documents, according to The Associated Press. Police searched Cho’s dorm room Tuesday and recovered, among other items, a chain and a combination lock, according to documents filed Wednesday. The front doors of Norris Hall, the classroom building, had been chained shut from the inside during the shooting rampage. Other items that were seized included a folding knife; two computers, a hard disk and other computer disks; documents, books, notebooks and other writings; a digital camera; compact disks; and two Dremel tools, which are rotating tools used for cutting, sanding and other applications. In an affidavit seeking the search warrant, police found a “bomb threat” note — directed at engineering school buildings — near the victims in the classroom building. In the past three weeks, Virginia Tech had received two other bomb threats; investigators said they had not connected those to Cho. Family sought better life in U.S. Cho arrived in the United States as an 8-year-old boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in an off-white, two-story townhouse in Centreville, Va., a suburb of Washington, where his parents worked at a dry cleaners. He graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly in 2003. Cho’s family moved to the United States in search of a better life, said the family’s landlady in South Korea. The family was poor and lived in a cheap basement apartment on the outskirts of Seoul, the woman told South Korean television Wednesday. Cho had an older sister, Sun-Kyung, who graduated from Princeton University with an economics degree in 2004, Princeton officials confirmed.

F'd up psycho!!!

This is just horrible... no ther way to slice it. And now the families of those 32 dead have to go on the rest of their lives with no closure cause this whack job did himself in. But what I don't understand is why didn't somebody just rush him! That's what I don't get. I will tell you this. this makes me want to get my CCW that much more! :iagree: I'd like to say that I would have at least tried to rush his ass, but then again, when someone's poppin' caps in everyone around you... who knows how you would react. It's not an everyday thing. Ya know what pisses me off.... Our local news showes local universities & colleges and they try to say things like VT didn't do the right process after the first shooting.... and they say they should have done this and that! :wtf: people!!! It's always this way... They shoulda, woulda, coulda. Same :bs: we went thru on 9-11. That chit pizzes me off too. There was no reason to believe that two hours after what was perceived as a case of domestic violence that this would occur. And to reference what was happening at the time is ridiculous... The first two shootings took seconds... Then a couple hours later the next 50 took a few minutes. To expect police to be able to anticipate or stop something like this is naive and unrealistic. :iagree: what they don't understand is that europe has the same problems. hell look at the the bombings and such they have over there. Those also happen more often. Plus if you ban weapons the all they are going to do is run guns in to the country...remember drugs are illegal here too..and guess what I can go right on down the street or just call someone and get some. do you think that it is going to stop if you just ban them...nope....now I do agree on the fact that the normal average everyday physco can get a weapon to easily. Look at the fact that it took 10 minutes for someone not a resident to get 2 hand guns...not one but 2. Violent crime rates in gunless countries are out of control... more rapes, home invasions, etc... There's no checks and balances for the criminals. All you do when you prohibit something is empower criminal activity by creating a situation in which it is very lucrative and/or easy to engage in such activities (selling drugs, guns, etc). And for the record, this guy did not buy the guns at the same time.

Violent crime rates in gunless countries are out of control... more rapes, home invasions, etc... There's no checks and balances for the criminals. All you do when you prohibit something is empower criminal activity by creating a situation in which it is very lucrative and/or easy to engage in such activities (selling drugs, guns, etc). And for the record, this guy did not buy the guns at the same time. :tt: are you agreeing....or are you arguing the same point as me....:lol:

Speak for yourself OSP... I live in Michigan... that is becoming normal ops! They're popin those tangs all up in here all day... u betta regonize! :lol:

:tt: are you agreeing....or are you arguing the same point as me....:lol: Yes. :slol: I was expanding... Speak for yourself OSP... I live in Michigan... that is becoming normal ops! They're popin those tangs all up in here all day... u betta regonize! :lol: http://www.peace.cc/files/bish.jpg I don't know that this has ever been more appropriate.

I fully believe that if eveyone was allowed to carry concealed, violent crime would go way down. Or a least in this case the number of dead. Somebody would have put a cap in his ass long before he got to 30 people.

I fully believe that if eveyone was allowed to carry concealed, violent crime would go way down. Or a least in this case the number of dead. Somebody would have put a cap in his ass long before he got to 30 people. I kind of half agree to this because in my experience not everyone is capable of having a gun without having accidents related to it. Would you argue that if they made any size knife illegal on the street that crime would go up? Just curious.

I kind of half agree to this because in my experience not everyone is capable of having a gun without having accidents related to it. Would you argue that if they made any size knife illegal on the street that crime would go up? Just curious. No, nobody is afraid of a knife. Besides, I run fast and can outrun some idiot with a knife, I cant outrun a bullet. Im sure a criminal would think the same thing.

History always repeats itself. The days of gunslinging will return. This goes back to the old west- back then if you were caught without a gun- you became a victim... I believe that is true again today.(more so each year) Some of you may remember my story of being robbed at gunpoint in March. That convinced me that guns are just like helmets... when the ***** hits the fan- you better be prepared. I realize being robbed doesn't compare to what these poor individuals experienced in VA, and I'm not trying to compare my experience- but the common denominater is the fact that as long as criminals are the only ones arming themselves... there will be no deterance for crime.

No, nobody is afraid of a knife. Besides, I run fast and can outrun some idiot with a knife, I cant outrun a bullet. Im sure a criminal would think the same thing. Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for answering :dthumb:

No, nobody is afraid of a knife. Besides, I run fast and can outrun some idiot with a knife, I cant outrun a bullet. Im sure a criminal would think the same thing. that and it takes a bit more accuracy to kill with one thrust of a knife... as opposed to one shot... and any IDIOT can point a gun and kill... but not many KNOW how to fight hand to hand with a knife... a gun is good for *****'s like this who hide behind it.... a knife would make them confront their victim.... something they more than likely don't have the spine for anyways

that and it takes a bit more accuracy to kill with one thrust of a knife... as opposed to one shot... and any IDIOT can point a gun and kill... but not many KNOW how to fight hand to hand with a knife... a gun is good for *****'s like this who hide behind it.... a knife would make them confront their victim.... something they more than likely don't have the spine for anyways I think that's the big one... Any puzzy can pull a trigger, but you have to be one confident individual to stab someone...

that and it takes a bit more accuracy to kill with one thrust of a knife... as opposed to one shot... and any IDIOT can point a gun and kill... but not many KNOW how to fight hand to hand with a knife... a gun is good for *****'s like this who hide behind it.... a knife would make them confront their victim.... something they more than likely don't have the spine for anyways This is true. It's funny though, if you carry a gun around with you in a holster (you don't need a ccw for that) people think you're going to rob them or something. Kind of sad really. Guns are for wimps, I carry a knife. :wink: