MSF course at Fort Benning, Ga?

How do the MSF courses on a military base work? I've recently decided to join the U.S. Army after highschool and I'll need a means of transportation. I decided on a bike :drool:. Since I don't get the nice recruitment bonus of $10,000 until after basic, I figured I can just take the MSF course on-base, buy a used ninja 500 and some gear and be a-ok. Not to mention since I'm in the Army I won't have to buy lots of groceries and whatnot since everything is provided for me.

First off, :welcome: Let's see, you still have to purchase personal items. You can eat in the DFAC three times a day (breakfast, lunch, dinner), you get to live in the barracks (if your single). Your unit may not let you purchase a bike because your so young, it all depends on your 1sgt and your commander.

:welcome: There are ALOT of Military peeps on here to help with those questions...

PSSSST get germany in your contract...

PSSSST get germany in your contract...

To late if he's already at Benning.

Explain your situation are you at basic?(dont know how your on this forum if you are) Give me some more details

Explain your situation are you at basic?(dont know how your on this forum if you are) Give me some more details

He probably is at Basic, the Army let's their recruits do whatever now. Back on track, go to Base Safety and pick up the referral forms. Fill them out, get your CO's John Hancock and enroll in the MSF course. You can bring your own bike, or wait longer and use one of theirs. Usually they will give you a temp pass to use your own bike. Also if you buy a bike before bringing up the question of whether you can take the course or not, they can't say **** to you. It's not up to the Army as to whether you can buy a bike, however it is up to them whether or not you can drive on base. Hope this helps. Must be nice to be given money to fight for your country. :2cents:

He probably is at Basic, the Army let's their recruits do whatever now. Back on track, go to Base Safety and pick up the referral forms. Fill them out, get your CO's John Hancock and enroll in the MSF course. You can bring your own bike, or wait longer and use one of theirs. Usually they will give you a temp pass to use your own bike. Also if you buy a bike before bringing up the question of whether you can take the course or not, they can't say **** to you. It's not up to the Army as to whether you can buy a bike, however it is up to them whether or not you can drive on base. Hope this helps. Must be nice to be given money to fight for your country. :2cents:

You cut me deep jarhead

j/p

You cut me deep jarhead

j/p

Haha, nah it's all good. There has always been discontent between the branches. Besides because of this war every branches standards are going to ****. I see it everyday, we get a new join and he is in trouble for some dumb **** like drug use or debt within weeks of hitting the fleet. America is retarded, but ******* I love it.

I know all about the discontent between branches ive fought many marines before but we all end up drinkin together by the end of the night haha. Yeah it definitely makes me sick the standards dropping. It makes it so much harder for us Sgt's and above to have to instill the discipline that should already be in every private that leaves basic. The overweight people their letting through is making my job so much harder. I'd rather have a handfull of proper soldiers than an army of profile rangers and fatbodys I have to run the **** out of two times a day gyarrr

I know all about the discontent between branches ive fought many marines before but we all end up drinkin together by the end of the night haha. Yeah it definitely makes me sick the standards dropping. It makes it so much harder for us Sgt's and above to have to instill the discipline that should already be in every private that leaves basic. The overweight people their letting through is making my job so much harder. I'd rather have a handfull of proper soldiers than an army of profile rangers and fatbodys I have to run the **** out of two times a day gyarrr

Likewise man, I look around my unit and there are a handfull of decent marines. All of them are deployed or preparing to go. The rest I have to sit here and mentor b/c I've already been twice and I'm about to PCS, they are fat and disgusting.

Yeah i may be a scrawny guy but i do everything above the standards. Its all about inner strength in the military. How much your willing to push yourself is how much you will succeed.

Yeah i may be a scrawny guy but i do everything above the standards.

You gotta be to fit on that R6. :cheers:

Haha, nah it's all good. There has always been discontent between the branches. Besides because of this war every branches standards are going to ****. I see it everyday, we get a new join and he is in trouble for some dumb **** like drug use or debt within weeks of hitting the fleet. America is retarded, but ******* I love it.

In debt like buying a bike and not being able to afford the insurance. You are right, the Army can't stop you from buying a bike but they sure can restrict you from riding it!

Likewise man, I look around my unit and there are a handfull of decent marines. All of them are deployed or preparing to go. The rest I have to sit here and mentor b/c I've already been twice and I'm about to PCS, they are fat and disgusting.

A fat Marine, no way......:yikes:

I'm not at basic and I have't even enlisted yet. I have a question about vision too. My left is is 20/40(Nearsighted) but my right eye is fine and I can see just as well as anyone else as long as I have both eyes. Will I still have to wear BCG?

Haha good question but most likely you will. Dont worry half the other people there will be wearing them. Once you get out of basic you wont have to worry about wearing them again. There is a good chance though that the drill will only make you wear them for marksmanship week if you can see fine without them.

What about deployments? I was looking into getting PRK surgery done to correct it...

and what if my shooting eye is fine without them?

Dont get the surgery before you join since the army pays for it. Deployments are 15 months now. Im 101st so we usually have a year between them since we are one of the main backbone units in the army. What job are you picking so i can have a better idea.

Dont get the surgery before you join since the army pays for it. Deployments are 15 months now. Im 101st so we usually have a year between them since we are one of the main backbone units in the army. What job are you picking so i can have a better idea.
Same as you bro. 11B, Airborne, Ranger, then I plan on going for SF.

Same as you bro. 11B, Airborne, Ranger, then I plan on going for SF.

:leaving:

You'll find out its alittle harder than that

You'll find out its alittle harder than that
I know it won't be easy. Is your vision perfect?

No about to get the lasic done soon

No about to get the lasic done soon
I can't remember if I listed this earlier, but my right eye is 20/20 and my left eye os 20/40. My left eye is only a -1 on the scale.

It wont matter anyway it wont hold you back from any of the jobs out their besides diver and Apache pilot

It wont matter anyway it wont hold you back from any of the jobs out their besides diver and Apache pilot
What about Special Forces? Will I be rendered disqualified if I recieve the surgery?

No you'll be fine but you need to concentrate on basic/ait first because a lot of people have big hopes coming in training is going to be a serious reality check.

Go through this packet and read. You can get and idea of the physical training standards in Chap 4.
http://www.bragg.army.mil/specialforces/downloads/USAREC%20PAM%20601-25.pdf

Make sure you are in shape when entering the Military and it will make everything easier for you. Start doing a lot of pushups, situps, and pull ups every day. Going for a 4 mile run every morning well help your cardio.

2 mile standard
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/physical_training/apft-male-2mile-run-stand.shtml

2 mins of push ups

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/physical_training/apft-male-pushup-standard.shtml

2 mins of situps

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/physical_training/apft-male-female-situp-st.shtml

Until you can get 100% in each category then I would be thinking of SF school just to make it easier on you. Remember what you put into it is what you will get out of the military. If you cant motivate yourself to exercise to these standards by yourself SF is not for you. Also look up map reading and compass navigation.


Here is a good forum to learn about SF but read and search the forum before you post up something. Most questions have already been asked their so newb questions are frowned upon if you dont bother to find the info for yourself.
http://www.specialoperations.com/SOCNET/Default.htm

No you'll be fine but you need to concentrate on basic/ait first because a lot of people have big hopes coming in training is going to be a serious reality check.

Go through this packet and read. You can get and idea of the physical training standards in Chap 4.
http://www.bragg.army.mil/specialforces/downloads/USAREC%20PAM%20601-25.pdf

Make sure you are in shape when entering the Military and it will make everything easier for you. Start doing a lot of pushups, situps, and pull ups every day. Going for a 4 mile run every morning well help your cardio.

2 mile standard
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/physical_training/apft-male-2mile-run-stand.shtml

2 mins of push ups

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/physical_training/apft-male-pushup-standard.shtml

2 mins of situps

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/physical_training/apft-male-female-situp-st.shtml

Until you can get 100% in each category then I would be thinking of SF school just to make it easier on you. Remember what you put into it is what you will get out of the military. If you cant motivate yourself to exercise to these standards by yourself SF is not for you. Also look up map reading and compass navigation.


Here is a good forum to learn about SF but read and search the forum before you post up something. Most questions have already been asked their so newb questions are frowned upon if you dont bother to find the info for yourself.
http://www.specialoperations.com/SOCNET/Default.htm

Great post, couldn't have said it better myself! Repped!

No you'll be fine but you need to concentrate on basic/ait first because a lot of people have big hopes coming in training is going to be a serious reality check.

Go through this packet and read. You can get and idea of the physical training standards in Chap 4.
http://www.bragg.army.mil/specialforces/downloads/USAREC%20PAM%20601-25.pdf

Make sure you are in shape when entering the Military and it will make everything easier for you. Start doing a lot of pushups, situps, and pull ups every day. Going for a 4 mile run every morning well help your cardio.

2 mile standard
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/physical_training/apft-male-2mile-run-stand.shtml

2 mins of push ups

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/physical_training/apft-male-pushup-standard.shtml

2 mins of situps

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/physical_training/apft-male-female-situp-st.shtml

Until you can get 100% in each category then I would be thinking of SF school just to make it easier on you. Remember what you put into it is what you will get out of the military. If you cant motivate yourself to exercise to these standards by yourself SF is not for you. Also look up map reading and compass navigation.


Here is a good forum to learn about SF but read and search the forum before you post up something. Most questions have already been asked their so newb questions are frowned upon if you dont bother to find the info for yourself.
http://www.specialoperations.com/SOCNET/Default.htm
Very good post! I'd say I'm in decent shape. I'm not in extreme shape like some of the SF guys but I haven't had the time really. I've got all summer to get ready. In 2 minutes I can do 42 pushups, 100+ situps, and I haven't measured distance but I can run for a good long while at a decent pace(decent pace bein faster than a jog) I appreciate all the help man. I'm working on my pushups and Ill start running more often =D.

a lot of great info guys but if you do apply for Europe better already have your M endorsment or your SOL and thats not a place for a new rider the autobahn is too tempting average cruising speed is 100-105 and thats for cars bike are a lot faster they drive crazy as hell over there cool to see all the military folk :dthumb:

a lot of great info guys but if you do apply for Europe better already have your M endorsment or your SOL and thats not a place for a new rider the autobahn is too tempting average cruising speed is 100-105 and thats for cars bike are a lot faster they drive crazy as hell over there cool to see all the military folk :dthumb:
Do yall take your bikes over to Germany with you if you get deployed there?

Do yall take your bikes over to Germany with you if you get deployed there?

Yes you can get it shipped for free with your household goods.

Yes you can get it shipped for free with your household goods.

Wow that's a sweet deal.

You get a car shipped for free too

Great post guys, I gonna rep you all for making me miss the army life NOT! lol but reps to u all.

Anwynd if you're physically fit you should be fine, just remember two things, keep ya mouth shut unless spoken too and always remember that the drills job is to see how much takes ya to break. A mind phuq basically. All the getting dropped and doin push ups is on a schedule unless of course the unit phuqsup lol then thats extra.

Yes you can get it shipped for free with your household goods.

Awesome, thanks for the information. This helps me out a great deal.

Great post guys, I gonna rep you all for making me miss the army life NOT! lol but reps to u all.

Anwynd if you're physically fit you should be fine, just remember two things, keep ya mouth shut unless spoken too and always remember that the drills job is to see how much takes ya to break. A mind phuq basically. All the getting dropped and doin push ups is on a schedule unless of course the unit phuqsup lol then thats extra.

I'm not as physically fit as I'd like to be, but I don't think I can ever reach what I'd like to be. I have long arms which makes pushups difficult but I'll work through it and get better at em before I go. Situps is a piece of cake and Im working on my running right now.

you'd be surprised. I've seen a lot of recruits and poolies that said, "i'm going for OCS after bootcamp!" or "I'm going RECON!", only to soon realize that they can't follow through because of some stupid **** that got them an NJP or something.

I agree with what these soldiers and fellow Marines are saying. Get through bootcamp first. And good luck with that bike. If I were you, i'd start off with a 600cc bike (assuming you are fairly responsible).

BTW, you got a $10,000 enlistment bonus!? That's insane. I didn't get any bonus.:cursin: the Army is known for those kind of games...

They have $20,000 enlistment bonuses now, but you only get the $10,000 up front and after they're done taxing the hell out of it it's probably only $7,250. I space my goals out but it doesn't hurt to be ambitious =D

I'm not as physically fit as I'd like to be, but I don't think I can ever reach what I'd like to be. I have long arms which makes pushups difficult but I'll work through it and get better at em before I go. Situps is a piece of cake and Im working on my running right now.

Man dont say this kind of stuff about yourself. The only failures are in mind. Your body is capable of much more i dont care what your body is built like. Do pushups EVERY day. Do them in sets of 25 rest for 30secs-1mins knock out another 25 and repeat until you cant possibly do anymore. If you feel tired or lazy you gotta say **** that BS in your head im better than that and keep going. Remember pain is weakness leaving the body. Your arms and chest are going to be REALLY sore for the first week but I guarantee the soreness will go away if you maintain training yourself. In physical fitness the only weak link in your body is your BRAIN

As for improving your run times go to your school track atleast 3 times a week. Do the stretching and take a slow lap around the track to warm your body and muscles up. Once that first lap is complete sprint to the turn section of the track. While in the turn go to a jog but DONT STOP RUNNING walking gets you nowhere. Once you get to the exit of the turn sprint the WHOLE straight section. As before when you enter the turn slow down to a jog again. Repeat this for 4 laps your first time out and keep increasing your goal for more laps lets say week two do 5 until you reach 8 which is a good number to maintain a fast runtime.

Then one more day a week go on a distance run. You can go over future course while your driving your car around and check your trip odometer to see roughly what the distance is. On these types of runs you want to run atleast 3-5 miles. The objective is to make your body feel a 2 mile PT test run is nothing. Keep challenging yourself with further distances. When you get to the Army its going to be time to man up. You might as well do that before hand and make it a cakewalk

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Man dont say this kind of stuff about yourself. The only failures are in mind. Your body is capable of much more i dont care what your body is built like. Do pushups EVERY day. Do them in sets of 25 rest for 30secs-1mins knock out another 25 and repeat until you cant possibly do anymore. If you feel tired or lazy you gotta say **** that BS in your head im better than that and keep going. Remember pain is weakness leaving the body. Your arms and chest are going to be REALLY sore for the first week but I guarantee the soreness will go away if you maintain training yourself. In physical fitness the only weak link in your body is your BRAIN

As for improving your run times go to your school track atleast 3 times a week. Do the stretching and take a slow lap around the track to warm your body and muscles up. Once that first lap is complete sprint to the turn section of the track. While in the turn go to a jog but DONT STOP RUNNING walking gets you nowhere. Once you get to the exit of the turn sprint the WHOLE straight section. As before when you enter the turn slow down to a jog again. Repeat this for 4 laps your first time out and keep increasing your goal for more laps lets say week two do 5 until you reach 8 which is a good number to maintain a fast runtime.

Then one more day a week go on a distance run. You can go over future course while your driving your car around and check your trip odometer to see roughly what the distance is. On these types of runs you want to run atleast 3-5 miles. The objective is to make your body feel a 2 mile PT test run is nothing. Keep challenging yourself with further distances. When you get to the Army its going to be time to man up. You might as well do that before hand and make it a cakewalk
I appreciate the help man, and I agree with everything you just said but, my statement was not a declaration of weakness though, the way I meant it was, I will never stop improving, therefor I will never reach my epitome.

I appreciate the help man, and I agree with everything you just said but, my statement was not a declaration of weakness though, the way I meant it was, I will never stop improving, therefor I will never reach my epitome.

:dthumb: Good Deal

:dthumb: Good Deal
Heheh, I went to run last night at like 11:30pm. I'm going to start waking up early, running before breakfast, then running later on in the afternoon. The only problem with doing all those pushups is Im trying to heal my shoulder up. I did something to it weightlifting, and I get some twinges. It's not torn I don't think cause I'd know, and it seems to be getting a little better every day.

yeah it definitely a good idea to wake up earlier. Normal PT time in the Army is 0630.

yeah it definitely a good idea to wake up earlier. Normal PT time in the Army is 0630.
Alright, Ill do that then. Do you think running twice a day will help? I don't want to burn away all my muscle by long distance running all of the time.

I wouldnt run twice a day its not very good for your body

I wouldnt run twice a day its not very good for your body
K, once at 0630 it is. Why did you suggest so much sprinting though? I like to do sprints, because you don't burn as much muscle as long distance running, but I'm interesting in your reasoning

For running against the clock sprinting improves your overall speed but remember you still jog through the turns so you maintain a running the whole time so you improve your endurance and speed at the same time.

you can do it guy....

when i started out i weighed 225 and am 71 1/2" tall. I could only do 50 pushups and 35 situps and run the 2 mile in 1547.

Now im 208 roughly, max the puhsups, get about 76 situps, and run the 2 mile in 13:45. Its all about how much you want to push urself. Also go to the gym and do your pullups, when you work out do low weight high rep.

I hope to branch Infantry next year when i get my commission. Im stuck in the guard right now, but i finished 5 out of 26 cadets at Boston University and all the west point cadre believe i should be going active duty, so we are trying to fight to get me out of the guard, but they dont want to let me go cause they paid for my schooling:wbs:

you can do it guy....

when i started out i weighed 225 and am 71 1/2" tall. I could only do 50 pushups and 35 situps and run the 2 mile in 1547.

Now im 208 roughly, max the puhsups, get about 76 situps, and run the 2 mile in 13:45. Its all about how much you want to push urself. Also go to the gym and do your pullups, when you work out do low weight high rep.

I hope to branch Infantry next year when i get my commission. Im stuck in the guard right now, but i finished 5 out of 26 cadets at Boston University and all the west point cadre believe i should be going active duty, so we are trying to fight to get me out of the guard, but they dont want to let me go cause they paid for my schooling:wbs:
I hear ya man. I've got a pullup bar in the door of my closet so I put it to use. I'm trying to heal my shoulder up at the same time though, so I'm trying not to overwork it, but have enough time to work it at before I leave.