On "Immigration Reform"

A little background; My sister is a big lib...self-avowed socialist, left of Lenin (by her own admission). She has been trying to immigrate to Canada for a bit over a year, with little progress (there is a good reason that Canada doesn't want her, but this is not the place for that). She has been blathering on about how the new proposal doesn't go far enough, that we (the US) should have open borders, free health care for everybody; this country sucks...blah, blah, blah. So I asked her why she hasn't moved to Canada yet.... Long silence........then she starts on another rant about how crappy this country is. So I asked her again if this country is so crappy, why isn't she in Canada; she gives me the yadayada about a long and arduous immigration policy; so I ask her why she doesn't just MOVE there...she's so big on open borders; just move there. What does she need PERMISSION for? She told me that it wasn't the same thing. That if she just moved there without a visa and the like, that she could be deported. Exactly, I said.

:withstupi my whole thing is....why the hell do we need a reform...if you are here illegally...leave and try to come back along legal channels...this whole lets make the ones that have been living here illegally legal...just doesn't hold water to me. I just don't get the wa waaa waaa...about the illegal ones...I don't mind folks moving here at all...but at least try to follow the guide lines...any other country and you will have to go through lots of hoops too. this is the only country that lets folks move here and they don't get deported.

My :2cents: you either are gonna do it or you arent. I moved over here from Germany a few years back. Yes, there is paperwork and such that needs to be done..but if you dont like the country you are living in...THAT BADLY..do somethin about it!

just a thought, what happens to ex-patriots? when one renounces their U.S. citizenship, where are they deported to? -a|ex

just a thought, what happens to ex-patriots? when one renounces their U.S. citizenship, where are they deported to? -a|ex Do you mean if someone is IN the US when they renounce their citizenship or once they are out? I had to renounce my German citizenship to get my american one, but like my boy, he is from Britian and he has both an american and british citizenship

I am too patriotic to make an unbiased reply so i will refrain from saying too much- God knows we don't pick our family members- and yes we have to love them no matter how ignorant their views are... However- your sister needs an education- not the kind you get in school- but one you get from an eye opening experience. Tell her if she truly believes this country is so bad- to take some time and visit other countries- then if her opinion is unchanged, she can just stay in whatever country she decides is best for her. This applies to all libs/anti- government types- not just your sister. I realize this country may not be perfect- but its as close as you'll come in my opinion... (which has merit based upon actual world travel) :2cents: As for immagration reform- the only reform we need is to start enforcing the policy we already have in place... just like every other country in the world.

I am too patriotic to make an unbiased reply so i will refrain from saying too much- God knows we don't pick our family members- and yes we have to love them no matter how ignorant their views are... However- your sister needs an education- not the kind you get in school- but one you get from an eye opening experience. Tell her if she truly believes this country is so bad- to take some time and visit other countries- then if her opinion is unchanged, she can just stay in whatever country she decides is best for her. This applies to all libs/anti- government types- not just your sister. I realize this country may not be perfect- but its as close as you'll come in my opinion... (which has merit based upon actual world travel) :2cents: As for immagration reform- the only reform we need is to start enforcing the policy we already have in place... just like every other country in the world. Funny you should bring that up: she has a couple of Masters degrees, and is the most educated IDIOT I've met; she IS "well traveled" except her travelling was always via the Taxpayers ticket...she was a musician with the National Symphony/National Opera (Kennedy Center) so all they ever saw of the "Workers' Paradises' was what the other governments wanted them to see....nothing but a bunch of brilliant dupes..............

Funny you should bring that up: she has a couple of Masters degrees, and is the most educated IDIOT I've met; she IS "well traveled" except her travelling was always via the Taxpayers ticket...she was a musician with the National Symphony/National Opera (Kennedy Center) so all they ever saw of the "Workers' Paradises' was what the other governments wanted them to see....nothing but a bunch of brilliant dupes.............. Yeah, lots of people think they have "been" somewhere when all they actually experienced were the tourist spots. If you wanna really see a place you have to make friends with a local and spend some time. But on the other hand I guess Libs have their purpose... There has to be somekind of a balance- as long as common sense prevails.

There are alot of things that the USA could learn from Canada... right... eh!

There are alot of things that the USA could learn from Canada... right... eh! Mayo on everything...

I was born in Ireland came to Canada and now I have both British and Canadian citizenship, my only problem with Canada is they let everybody in. I work for a service company so I’m in and out of peeps houses everyday and the worst thing is that half of them do not speak English, I didn’t move to Germany because I don’t speak German! If they want to come here and get a job that’s fine, Come to Toronto and out of 5 peeps you bump into on the street 3 don’t speak English. Pisses me off

But do they speak French? That is the more native tongue I think in many areas of Canada.

They only speak French in Québec I was there in Feb and they all speak English as well, just a Toronto thing I guess lol :idk:

Go to a ATM in Toronto and there is like 6 different languishes to choose from, and depending what part you are in sometimes English is like 2-4 down the list!

the weather sux in Canada... i say we invade south america and make the americas united. expansionism rox. the U.S. should become an empire. -a|ex

the weather sux in Canada... i say we invade south america and make the americas united. expansionism rox. the U.S. should become an empire. -a|ex I agree- we should also take over the middle east. We could just plant a flag and start selling oil. Free gas to all Americans!

I agree- we should also take over the middle east. We could just plant a flag and start selling oil. Free gas to all Americans! Yeah and $4,000/gallon to France!

Well OTB being smart and Having common sense is 2 different ball fields. You can be book smart and be street dumb. :lol:

Yeah and $4,000/gallon to France! and if you're french and want to buy gas- you have to salute the American flag untill the pumping procedure is complete! :patr:

the weather sux in Canada... i say we invade south america and make the americas united. expansionism rox. the U.S. should become an empire. -a|ex History repeats itself. All empires came to a crashing halt at some point. Sadly, we will too. I just hope it's not in my lifetime.

You know, I read this post and figured out that I confuse myself. I'm pretty conservative, and feel that the government should have a structured immigration policy. They should also PRACTICE that policy. However, I fully empathize with illegal immigrants on wanting to come to the US, and understand that a lot of them could never make it legally. I have traveled to some pretty rough areas in the interior of Mexico, and don't blame any of those people for jumping fences or swimming rivers. So, where do I stand? I have no idea. I do know that if someone isn't happy with the good ole US of A, they should get their happy arses out of the country and not be allowed to come back. I for one am grateful that I was lucky enough to be born here.

...I do know that if someone isn't happy with the good ole US of A, they should get their happy arses out of the country and not be allowed to come back... Well, I don't know about not being allowed to come back...after the first time they bitch up a storm. I think they should be allowed one re-entry. Say someone bitches about everything and thinks the US is awful. Fine, go live somewhere else. After you see how much better we have it, you're allowed to come back. If you start in on the BS again, then get the F out for good. :lol:

ok i'm left of center but i'm not with this immigration reform crap. theres a right way and a wrong way to get into this country and if it takes you 10 years to do it, so be it. the 10 to 12 years the illegals have been here working illegally they could have been working on the proper paperwork to be here legally. i sum it up this way. i sneak into the local chevy dealership and steal a fully loaded corvette. keep it clean and tuned running in excellent condition. and after getting away with not getting caught for 10 years or more. go back to the chevy dealership and demand the title for the corvette because i've done no harm to it in the 10 years i illegally possessed it :scratch: . F_CK THAT SH_T! :bash:

ok i'm left of center but i'm not with this immigration reform crap. theres a right way and a wrong way to get into this country and if it takes you 10 years to do it, so be it. the 10 to 12 years the illegals have been here working illegally they could have been working on the proper paperwork to be here legally. i sum it up this way. i sneak into the local chevy dealership and steal a fully loaded corvette. keep it clean and tuned running in excellent condition. and after getting away with not getting caught for 10 years or more. go back to the chevy dealership and demand the title for the corvette because i've done no harm to it in the 10 years i illegally possessed it :scratch: . F_CK THAT SH_T! :bash: you know what..... that is the BEST ****ING WAY I HAVE EVER HEARD THIS SUBJECT PUT....THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!! :clap:

ok i'm left of center but i'm not with this immigration reform crap. theres a right way and a wrong way to get into this country and if it takes you 10 years to do it, so be it. the 10 to 12 years the illegals have been here working illegally they could have been working on the proper paperwork to be here legally. i sum it up this way. i sneak into the local chevy dealership and steal a fully loaded corvette. keep it clean and tuned running in excellent condition. and after getting away with not getting caught for 10 years or more. go back to the chevy dealership and demand the title for the corvette because i've done no harm to it in the 10 years i illegally possessed it :scratch: . F_CK THAT SH_T! :bash: i guess you don't understand both sides of the immigration issues. i'm a naturalized citizen and can see it on both sides. some of my family is still waiting for their citizenship. there are other ways to get into the country, different type of visa's and corporate sponsorships. but the main issue are the mexicans. they are unskilled and are crossing the border for not just a better life, but for their lives. i say we create a second class citizenship - bring back endentured servants (spelling?) with limited rights. they can work on their full citizenship while working the fields legally. the corvette analogy isn't appropriate. this is similar to a farmer trespassing and killing the king's deer to feed his family and then offerring his daughter as retribution. fuedalism rox. -a|ex

Dunno if you guys remember but I remember there being an " I want to become an illeagle alien" thread. dont recall what the benefits were but it had a lot of info none the less.

i guess you don't understand both sides of the immigration issues. i'm a naturalized citizen and can see it on both sides. some of my family is still waiting for their citizenship. there are other ways to get into the country, different type of visa's and corporate sponsorships. but the main issue are the mexicans. they are unskilled and are crossing the border for not just a better life, but for their lives. i say we create a second class citizenship - bring back endentured servants (spelling?) with limited rights. they can work on their full citizenship while working the fields legally. the corvette analogy isn't appropriate. this is similar to a farmer trespassing and killing the king's deer to feed his family and then offerring his daughter as retribution. fuedalism rox. -a|ex I think it makes sense, but good luck... :lol:

I was born in Ireland came to Canada and now I have both British and Canadian citizenship, my only problem with Canada is they let everybody in. I work for a service company so I’m in and out of peeps houses everyday and the worst thing is that half of them do not speak English, I didn’t move to Germany because I don’t speak German! If they want to come here and get a job that’s fine, Come to Toronto and out of 5 peeps you bump into on the street 3 don’t speak English. Pisses me off That is a huge issue here in the US..especially in DMI. (Des Moines, Iowa) Germany doesnt really have that issue at all (even though you dont speak it) it is a great country to live in. ONly problem is,,there are about 5 different forums of German, so depending on where you go, you may have to know about 5 different kinds,,it is so messy!