Mid Mich / DSB U.P. Ride

Calling all MI riders. There is a group ride on July 7th and 8th riding up the the UP. Ride to the the Tunnel and the Lelanau. Check out the threads on DSB here. http://detroitsportbikes.com/forum/upload/viewtopic.php?id=2372 - B.S. Thread http://detroitsportbikes.com/forum/upload/viewtopic.php?id=2371 - Planning Thread

Well if how they rode at the Gap is any indicator of how this ride will go, no way will I be there! Less than 24 hours after DSB arrived at Deals Gap, we ran into them on Thursday at the Gap Gas Station......3 bikes had been down (and one of those twice), brand new bikes, and one of those completly totaled. The totaled Kawi was due to looped wheelie who was on his way with 2 other bikes to get a truck to pick-up one of the other wrecked bikes. Scary!!!!:yikes:

Well if how they rode at the Gap is any indicator of how this ride will go, no way will I be there! Less than 24 hours after DSB arrived at Deals Gap, we ran into them on Thursday at the Gap Gas Station......3 bikes had been down (and one of those twice), brand new bikes, and one of those completly totaled. The totaled Kawi was due to looped wheelie who was on his way with 2 other bikes to get a truck to pick-up one of the other wrecked bikes. Scary!!!!:yikes: :yikes: Wow...I'd be on the other end of town when those fools are riding.

Sounds about right Pip!

Ummmmm...DSB has about 600+ members so I doubt you ran into them all a the Gap. I mean really,so they had a few guys get over exuberant at the dragon and now their ENTIRE club are "fools" and should be shunned.We got a rainy day here so I thought I'd check in,I see it's business as usual here on the forum;ie judging and criticising without the complete facts. Grand Rapids Street Riders went to the Gap a few times and they have also had their share of crashers. I guess that clup of over 500 are also a bunch of fools too. Just for the record,there is quite a list of people that have crashed at the Gap and some of them are pretty famous road racers now. I've never crashed there(been pretty close) but it's not exactly a difficult thing to do. There are two kinds of "sport bike" riders in this world,those that buy sport bikes and cruise around like old men who buy Corvettes,Vipers,etc and those who buy them to really ride them like they were designed to be ridden. Before you start,I'm not saying you should ride around like "fools" all the time but jeez to condemn an entire club because some of it's members crashed,at the dragon no less,is pushing the judgemental thing a little far,even for you guys!!!

Ummmmm...DSB has about 600+ members so I doubt you ran into them all a the Gap. I mean really,so they had a few guys get over exuberant at the dragon and now their ENTIRE club are "fools" and should be shunned.We got a rainy day here so I thought I'd check in,I see it's business as usual here on the forum;ie judging and criticising without the complete facts. Grand Rapids Street Riders went to the Gap a few times and they have also had their share of crashers. I guess that clup of over 500 are also a bunch of fools too. Just for the record,there is quite a list of people that have crashed at the Gap and some of them are pretty famous road racers now. I've never crashed there(been pretty close) but it's not exactly a difficult thing to do. There are two kinds of "sport bike" riders in this world,those that buy sport bikes and cruise around like old men who buy Corvettes,Vipers,etc and those who buy them to really ride them like they were designed to be ridden. Before you start,I'm not saying you should ride around like "fools" all the time but jeez to condemn an entire club because some of it's members crashed,at the dragon no less,is pushing the judgemental thing a little far,even for you guys!!! Dude, do you know how to read? 600 members? WOW, nope didn't run into 600 hundred of them, just the few I don't want to be on a ride with I guess, and I didn't see where I said anything like DSB are a bunch of fools nor condemn them, I've ridden with a few of them actually, as has Gas Man, Drewpy, Rider, Pickle, Super, Ace, Dyno, Twisty, Knight, and a few others.....and the ride was . Get over exuberent at the Gap???? Well you obviously werent there to see the video of the looped kawi on the STRAIGHT road were you, there was a whole crowd there laughing at that video! That guy was really lucky he wasnt more seriously hurt. As well at the other "over exuberent" crashers, the beautiful BRAND NEW gixxer that was wasted, geez, wish I was that rich to throw it away...TWICE. Do you know the majority of Gap wrecks happen from the ones that "buy them to really ride" and ride WAY OVER their ability ending up not only hurting themselves, wrecking thier bikes or hurting themselves, but most critically taking out (injuring or killing) other riders and drivers from those that ride like IRRESPONSIBLE FOOLS. Thats a shame. I bought my gixxer 1K 4 years ago and I REALLY RIDE IT - hasnt been down, but according to you guess I havent been REALLY RIDING IT~ thats why Killboy put my pic on his page...... www.tailofthedragon.com Business as usual on this forum?????? Now that is what gets me really irked. This forum is about RESPONSIBLE riding, and from what I get from your post as well as the MULTITUDE OF WRECKED BIKES I PERSONALLY WITNESSED is that real riding is over-extending one's abilities to crash in order to "REALLY RIDE". Perhaps you should direct some the 1100 DSB or GRR members to the Newb section here to learn that CRASHING ISNT COOL. I pay enough for insurance, I don't need any more of the squid hot shots that ride them like "the way they were designed to be ridden" AKA WRECKING in your terms. Geesh.

As is typical for someone like you,you ASSume that I was merely refering to your post alone when it was the replyers who made the references I was talking about. Utilizing my alledged limited reading capabilities,I reread my post and suprisingly I can't find where I wrote that YOU,Pippi(or whatever) said the things I was refering to. I may have been mistaken about the DSB numbers though, as I can only go by the number of people on their site. I realize that this number doesn't necessarily reflect the number of people who actually ride with them,so I apologize for taking some literary liberties with the numbers to illustrate a point. As with GRSR,there are far more people registered to the forum than actually ride with them. In my defense,I was merely trying to put forth the notion that just because some of their members crashed at the Gap or in the vicinity thereof, BTW I have been known to do a wheelie or two and have appeared in a couple videos as well...so I'm probably just as bad in your book,doesn't mean that one shouldn't accompany them on their ride to the U.P. or wherever. Rider was merely trying to advertise an upcoming ride their club is putting on and some of you turned it into a bash another club fest. I have read,on several occasions,posts from several of you on this forum describing crashes or mishaps that you have gotten into whilst on your bikes, perhaps other riders shouldn't accompany YOU on your trips or rides or whatever,hmmmmmm? As far as pushing it to the limit,well like I wrote in my post which you probably didn't read in it's entirety,I don't advocate riding around like a "fool" 24/7 BUT riding around like a bunch of "grannies" all the time is equally undesirable. I mean really,these bikes are not the most comfortable,do not have the best gas mileage,nor as you mention, the least expensive insurance rates so why buy one to "cruise" around under the speed limit all the time? I think they still sell the Kawasaki Eliminator 250 or the Honda Rebel...maybe that would be more your speed on the road and keep your "crotch rocket" for track days and the like. Now I know how the "Hell's Angels" Harley types felt when all the accountants,doctors,professionals and the like started buying HDs.:jacked:

I'm more of a lurker here but this post has made me want to chime in. I'm not sure that crashing your bike entitles the classification of a "real rider" A real rider has the skills needed to handle his or her bike without crashing. I know that crashing is part of the game but these guys hadn't even been there 24 hours and had already lost 3 bikes and one bike 2 times... To me this entitles them the classification of a squid. They did a very smart thing by packing there bikes and going home a day early, I heard that some didn't traverse the Dragon due to the amount of crashes of their club members.

Dude, do you know how to read? 600 members? WOW, nope didn't run into 600 hundred of them, just the few I don't want to be on a ride with I guess, and I didn't see where I said anything like DSB are a bunch of fools nor condemn them, I've ridden with a few of them actually, as has Gas Man, Drewpy, Rider, Pickle, Super, Ace, Dyno, Twisty, Knight, and a few others.....and the ride was . Get over exuberent at the Gap???? Well you obviously werent there to see the video of the looped kawi on the STRAIGHT road were you, there was a whole crowd there laughing at that video! That guy was really lucky he wasnt more seriously hurt. As well at the other "over exuberent" crashers, the beautiful BRAND NEW gixxer that was wasted, geez, wish I was that rich to throw it away...TWICE. Do you know the majority of Gap wrecks happen from the ones that "buy them to really ride" and ride WAY OVER their ability ending up not only hurting themselves, wrecking thier bikes or hurting themselves, but most critically taking out (injuring or killing) other riders and drivers from those that ride like IRRESPONSIBLE FOOLS. Thats a shame. I bought my gixxer 1K 4 years ago and I REALLY RIDE IT - hasnt been down, but according to you guess I havent been REALLY RIDING IT~ thats why Killboy put my pic on his page...... www.tailofthedragon.com Business as usual on this forum?????? Now that is what gets me really irked. This forum is about RESPONSIBLE riding, and from what I get from your post as well as the MULTITUDE OF WRECKED BIKES I PERSONALLY WITNESSED is that real riding is over-extending one's abilities to crash in order to "REALLY RIDE". Perhaps you should direct some the 1100 DSB or GRR members to the Newb section here to learn that CRASHING ISNT COOL. I pay enough for insurance, I don't need any more of the squid hot shots that ride them like "the way they were designed to be ridden" AKA WRECKING in your terms. Geesh. Darryl(killboy) isn't tailofthedragon.com, that's Ron and Nancy. It's actually real hard to say the majority of wrecks come from newbs riding way above their limit. I would it's a toss up between that and simple mistakes. Especially the cruiser wrecks, these guys ride for years and a very simple mistake on that road is very very hard to correct with a machine that is not built for handling. I would give more of a lead to mistakes.

Darryl(killboy) isn't tailofthedragon.com, that's Ron and Nancy. It's actually real hard to say the majority of wrecks come from newbs riding way above their limit. I would it's a toss up between that and simple mistakes. Especially the cruiser wrecks, these guys ride for years and a very simple mistake on that road is very very hard to correct with a machine that is not built for handling. I would give more of a lead to mistakes. No, but Killboy(Darryl) does provide all the pictures for the tail of the dragon website.

Darryl(killboy) isn't tailofthedragon.com, that's Ron and Nancy. It's actually real hard to say the majority of wrecks come from newbs riding way above their limit. I would it's a toss up between that and simple mistakes. Especially the cruiser wrecks, these guys ride for years and a very simple mistake on that road is very very hard to correct with a machine that is not built for handling. I would give more of a lead to mistakes. Ron, Nancy, Killboy took the pic......whoever, was trying to make a point. Experienced riders, newbs, mistakes whatever - bottom line is riding above your comfort/skill level to be a "REAL RIDER" and end up crashing does no one any good. Dont have to ride like a "grannie" either, but geez, BE A SMART RIDER.

No, but Killboy(Darryl) does provide all the pictures for the tail of the dragon website. Actually not all. The pics come from various people(some are from the killboy.com crew.) Ron and Nancy actually put a lot of their own on it as well.

Ron, Nancy, Killboy took the pic......whoever, was trying to make a point. Experienced riders, newbs, mistakes whatever - bottom line is riding above your comfort/skill level to be a "REAL RIDER" and end up crashing does no one any good. Dont have to ride like a "grannie" either, but geez, BE A SMART RIDER. Now who can't read? I never said you have to crash or ride above your head to be a "real rider", I merely was saying that just because a few of their members crashed at the Dragon, which has claimed quite a few "smart" riders along with the "fools" over the years,doesn't mean that their ENTIRE club should be shunned or labeled. One bad apple does not ruin the whole barrel if it's removed in time! You know it's interesting but some people think that stunting and what not can actually make you a better rider as it can prepare you for emergencies on the road. When something "jumps" out in front of a stunter,they don't panic 'cause they know EXACTLY how far it takes their bike to stop from any given speed from doing stoppies. Panic and inexperience in sudden emergency situations is what brings most riders down in my opinion. My friend who recently passed away was someone like you who never took any chances and always rode conservately so when he was put in an emergency situation he paniced and target fixated and crashed. I guess it's all in how you look at it.

Ummmmm...DSB has about 600+ members so I doubt you ran into them all a the Gap. I mean really,so they had a few guys get over exuberant at the dragon and now their ENTIRE club are "fools" and should be shunned.We got a rainy day here so I thought I'd check in,I see it's business as usual here on the forum;ie judging and criticising without the complete facts. Grand Rapids Street Riders went to the Gap a few times and they have also had their share of crashers. I guess that clup of over 500 are also a bunch of fools too. Just for the record,there is quite a list of people that have crashed at the Gap and some of them are pretty famous road racers now. I've never crashed there(been pretty close) but it's not exactly a difficult thing to do. There are two kinds of "sport bike" riders in this world,those that buy sport bikes and cruise around like old men who buy Corvettes,Vipers,etc and those who buy them to really ride them like they were designed to be ridden. Before you start,I'm not saying you should ride around like "fools" all the time but jeez to condemn an entire club because some of it's members crashed,at the dragon no less,is pushing the judgemental thing a little far,even for you guys!!! :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:

Now who can't read? I never said you have to crash or ride above your head to be a "real rider", I merely was saying that just because a few of their members crashed at the Dragon, which has claimed quite a few "smart" riders along with the "fools" over the years,doesn't mean that their ENTIRE club should be shunned or labeled. One bad apple does not ruin the whole barrel if it's removed in time! You know it's interesting but some people think that stunting and what not can actually make you a better rider as it can prepare you for emergencies on the road. When something "jumps" out in front of a stunter,they don't panic 'cause they know EXACTLY how far it takes their bike to stop from any given speed from doing stoppies. Panic and inexperience in sudden emergency situations is what brings most riders down in my opinion. My friend who recently passed away was someone like you who never took any chances and always rode conservately so when he was put in an emergency situation he paniced and target fixated and crashed. I guess it's all in how you look at it. Stoppies preparing you for a miata in your lane or a deer prancing right into your fairing. :lol: So that is why all the florida stuntaz end up in the ditch and the track boys end up enjoying refreshments around the campfire and telling stories of the squids.....................

Stoppies preparing you for a miata in your lane or a deer prancing right into your fairing. :lol: So that is why all the florida stuntaz end up in the ditch and the track boys end up enjoying refreshments around the campfire and telling stories of the squids..................... Here it is...my group are the "smart ones" and your group are the "squids". We are so smart,we spend thousands of dollars a year to ride our bikes on the track even though most tracks(in my lengthy and extensive experience) allow anyone with the fee to get on track and pretend to be Valentino Rossi for the day. Then we bring our bikes home and park them in the garage maybe putting on 2 or 3 thousand miles a year on the street and hang out together and congratulate ourselves on our intelligence thumbing our collective noses at the "squids" who don't live as we live or do as we do. My aren't we superior!!! Are we not splendid and glorious in our hubris? When we grow old we'll buy speed boats to troll around the harbor and Corvettes to tool around the neigborhood on Sunday afternoons. Hey don't they have "track days" for those too? Wonderful!!!:hug: Oh yeah,almost forgot,so called track boys crash at Deal's Gap too you know! Believe it or not,I've never crashed stunting or pushing it. My crashes have almost always been while cruising! Cross my heart I swear it's true!

Here it is...my group are the "smart ones" and your group are the "squids". We are so smart,we spend thousands of dollars a year to ride our bikes on the track even though most tracks(in my lengthy and extensive experience) allow anyone with the fee to get on track and pretend to be Valentino Rossi for the day. Then we bring our bikes home and park them in the garage maybe putting on 2 or 3 thousand miles a year on the street and hang out together and congratulate ourselves on our intelligence thumbing our collective noses at the "squids" who don't live as we live or do as we do. My aren't we superior!!! Are we not splendid and glorious in our hubris? When we grow old we'll buy speed boats to troll around the harbor and Corvettes to tool around the neigborhood on Sunday afternoons. Hey don't they have "track days" for those too? Wonderful!!!:hug: Oh yeah,almost forgot,so called track boys crash at Deal's Gap too you know! Believe it or not,I've never crashed stunting or pushing it. My crashes have almost always been while cruising! Cross my heart I swear it's true! You are right, anyone can wreck, they lifeflighted out a purebred racer with thousands of races and thousands of gap runs under his belt last weekend. If a several decade experienced pro racer goes down, that knows his exact limit, there isn't much any of us can say. You got me confused with another group. My bike doesn't sit in a garage collecting dust. I can put a thousand miles on my bike in a weekend on the street and that isn't commuting miles or 180 down a straight interstate, that is mountain roads. Where we don't talk about stoppies in parking lots saving our lives from deer, but we actually have deer to avoid. Where lane crossers are reality, not a figment of our imagination. If you can't see the benefit of track days to test your bike in a setting where emergency staff is on hand and you don't have to worry about endangering the public, that is your loss.

Well if how they rode at the Gap is any indicator of how this ride will go, no way will I be there! Less than 24 hours after DSB arrived at Deals Gap, we ran into them on Thursday at the Gap Gas Station......3 bikes had been down (and one of those twice), brand new bikes, and one of those completly totaled. The totaled Kawi was due to looped wheelie who was on his way with 2 other bikes to get a truck to pick-up one of the other wrecked bikes. Scary!!!!:yikes: Wow!! So the riding ability of few is representative of the entire group? We (15 total at the GAP) had two riders go down (minor injuries) that were back riding the GAP the very next day, without incident. They both made mistakes and learned from them. The rider that looped his bike was experienced, rode the GAP that day, and looped it on a straight miles away from the GAP. I'm a member of your board as well, met some of the WOS guys (cool guys), and saw videos/threads of said members riding wheelies. Would it be fair to say that the ideas/comments expressed on your board by one member is representative of the entire group? I don't think so and this is the same type of situation. DSB is not like alot of sportbike groups in the metro area in terms of exclusive membership, yearly/monthly dues, etc.. It's just a bunch of guys/gals that like to ride and the experience level varies (track riders to first bike newbies). This is not a "my group vs. your group" but I do take offense when someone makes generalizations without knowing one's abilities personally.

You are right, anyone can wreck, they lifeflighted out a purebred racer with thousands of races and thousands of gap runs under his belt last weekend. If a several decade experienced pro racer goes down, that knows his exact limit, there isn't much any of us can say. You got me confused with another group. My bike doesn't sit in a garage collecting dust. I can put a thousand miles on my bike in a weekend on the street and that isn't commuting miles or 180 down a straight interstate, that is mountain roads. Where we don't talk about stoppies in parking lots saving our lives from deer, but we actually have deer to avoid. Where lane crossers are reality, not a figment of our imagination. If you can't see the benefit of track days to test your bike in a setting where emergency staff is on hand and you don't have to worry about endangering the public, that is your loss. Sorry,I know I quoted you and then almost forgot to answer your post/quote. I kind of went of on a tangent first and actually sent the post and had to edit it to include the part for you. Certainly,the first part includes you but is not exclusive to you and is meant only as a generalization of the entire group. Note: I actually hit a deer on my '97 YZF1000 going maybe 60mph in a 55 mph zone. Like I said cruising...Anyway,I don't remember ever mentioning deer in my previous posts,though I guess one can ASSume that's what I was refering to. Also,I didn't propose stoppies as a way to avoid accidents,I merely said basically that a guy who can put his bike on the front tire at 60+mph should have a better chance of reacting to a crisis situation than a guy who has cruised around his entire motorcycling career. The same can be said for a guy who does track days as well. I won't agree that a guy on the track can't endanger others as the worst crash of my life occured on a track where a kid who probably shouldn't have been on a bike at all was allowed on the track 'cause hey he paid his $200. Anyway,the next two days are supposed to be sunny so see ya'll later....

Wow!! So the riding ability of few is representative of the entire group? We (15 total at the GAP) had two riders go down (minor injuries) that were back riding the GAP the very next day, without incident. They both made mistakes and learned from them. The rider that looped his bike was experienced, rode the GAP that day, and looped it on a straight miles away from the GAP. I'm a member of your board as well, met some of the WOS guys (cool guys), and saw videos/threads of said members riding wheelies. Would it be fair to say that the ideas/comments expressed on your board by one member is representative of the entire group? I don't think so and this is the same type of situation. DSB is not like alot of sportbike groups in the metro area in terms of exclusive membership, yearly/monthly dues, etc.. It's just a bunch of guys/gals that like to ride and the experience level varies (track riders to first bike newbies). This is not a "my group vs. your group" but I do take offense when someone makes generalizations without knowing one's abilities personally. That's all I was trying to say....

Wow!! So the riding ability of few is representative of the entire group? We (15 total at the GAP) had two riders go down (minor injuries) that were back riding the GAP the very next day, without incident. They both made mistakes and learned from them. The rider that looped his bike was experienced, rode the GAP that day, and looped it on a straight miles away from the GAP. I'm a member of your board as well, met some of the WOS guys (cool guys), and saw videos/threads of said members riding wheelies. Would it be fair to say that the ideas/comments expressed on your board by one member is representative of the entire group? I don't think so and this is the same type of situation. DSB is not like alot of sportbike groups in the metro area in terms of exclusive membership, yearly/monthly dues, etc.. It's just a bunch of guys/gals that like to ride and the experience level varies (track riders to first bike newbies). This is not a "my group vs. your group" but I do take offense when someone makes generalizations without knowing one's abilities personally. I have to say in all my years on this forum THIS thread alone and the inability of some of the responders to grasp the concept of my post has me ABSOLUTLY BLOWN AWAY!!!!!!:cursin: UNFRIGGIN BELIEVABLE!!!!! For those of you that can't seem to GRASP THE CONCEPT let me sum it up....NOWHERE did I bash any group, just BE A SMART RIDER!! Be in whatever group you want, we're all individuals that choose what group to be in or not in one, exclusive, open to whoever, THAT'S YOUR CHOICE AND I DONT CARE! You know, I ride the Dragon 1 week a year, Trip rides it everyday, on average. If I was on Trip's average, I sure as schit would have a concern of having THREE people go down in less than 24 hours, from the same group/trip/riders/sportbikes/harleys/cagers or whatever they may be. Must have been all unfortunate mistakes I guess :idk: Yep, WOS has stunting time, street riding time, events, track days, Gap trip, etc. Where did I ever condemn anyone for stunting? Bottom line is, for those few that can't seem TO GRASP THE CONCEPT the whole point was that I like my life, my bike and don't need ANYONE, whoever they may be, to take me out so they can be a "REAL RIDER". EIDROEDYR got it, this isnt and never was a "my group vs. your group", but I take offense when innocent riders get taken out by stupid riders - been there on scene, not fun and not pretty. But yes, that is life. And TIGGER - SHAME ON YOU! You have never ridden with me, HOW DARE YOU REFERENCE A FALLEN RIDER AS "SOMEONE LIKE ME". QUOTING TIGGER: "My friend who recently passed away was someone like you who never took any chances and always rode conservately so when he was put in an emergency situation he paniced and target fixated and crashed. I guess it's all in how you look at it." There are no words here that could even come close to me expressing your IGNORANCE with that statement!!!!!! :cursin: :cursin: I could blow you away on the street and the track - you know....the conservative rider I am that never takes any chances.....go back to your parking lot stoppies to prepare you for emergencies :lol: UNFRIGGINBELIEVABLE :flush:

I have to say in all my years on this forum THIS thread alone and the inability of some of the responders to grasp the concept of my post has me ABSOLUTLY BLOWN AWAY!!!!!!:cursin: UNFRIGGIN BELIEVABLE!!!!! For those of you that can't seem to GRASP THE CONCEPT let me sum it up....NOWHERE did I bash any group, just BE A SMART RIDER!! Be in whatever group you want, we're all individuals that choose what group to be in or not in one, exclusive, open to whoever, THAT'S YOUR CHOICE AND I DONT CARE! You know, I ride the Dragon 1 week a year, Trip rides it everyday, on average. If I was on Trip's average, I sure as schit would have a concern of having THREE people go down in less than 24 hours, from the same group/trip/riders/sportbikes/harleys/cagers or whatever they may be. Must have been all unfortunate mistakes I guess :idk: Yep, WOS has stunting time, street riding time, events, track days, Gap trip, etc. Where did I ever condemn anyone for stunting? Bottom line is, for those few that can't seem TO GRASP THE CONCEPT the whole point was that I like my life, my bike and don't need ANYONE, whoever they may be, to take me out so they can be a "REAL RIDER". EIDROEDYR got it, this isnt and never was a "my group vs. your group", but I take offense when innocent riders get taken out by stupid riders - been there on scene, not fun and not pretty. But yes, that is life. And TIGGER - SHAME ON YOU! You have never ridden with me, HOW DARE YOU REFERENCE A FALLEN RIDER AS "SOMEONE LIKE ME". QUOTING TIGGER: "My friend who recently passed away was someone like you who never took any chances and always rode conservately so when he was put in an emergency situation he paniced and target fixated and crashed. I guess it's all in how you look at it." There are no words here that could even come close to me expressing your IGNORANCE with that statement!!!!!! :cursin: :cursin: I could blow you away on the street and the track - you know....the conservative rider I am that never takes any chances.....go back to your parking lot stoppies to prepare you for emergencies :lol: UNFRIGGINBELIEVABLE :flush: I doubt that you could blow me anywere. You don't know me either and I never said anything about parking lot stoppies. You guys keep saying that I do them but I don't. I stated that stunters might be better prepared for emergencies because of all the practice they do. First you go on about how "smart and safe" you are and now you challenge me to a street race. What happened to not riding over your head,not endangering the public,etc? I for one do think that riders should practice their techniques and I must say that when I started riding about 25 years ago I did do some practicing in parking lots,cornering,emergency braking,etc but not stoppies. Lastly,do did put down DSB,"if they ride like they did at the Gap then count me out" or something to that effect,or was that a compliment? Oh and once again you ASSume that the DSB member ws refering to only YOUR post,I know he quoted you but I'm certain that he read the rest of them too. It never ceases to amaze me how egocentric some people can be. It's funny how you came out as the safe,never take chances with your bike or your life rider and now are presenting yourself as the fast street racer whom no one can beat.

:flush: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

:yikes: Im sorry I started this thread. :leaving:

:yikes: Im sorry I started this thread. :leaving: liar :lol:

Wow!! So the riding ability of few is representative of the entire group? Unfortunately, Yes This whole “conversation” really reminds me of the nation’s debate on Sport bike riding. Unfortunately there are people that ride outside of there ability regardless of who they are and what they ride and how they ride. And yes, a few bad apples do spoil the bunch even if they are removed soon enough, because another one will follow it. If you haven’t noticed, politicians are trying to ban them (US) on the public streets. This whole “conversation” is about being a responsible rider, knowing your limits and riding within them, not taking unnecessary risk that could put others lives in danger. How many times does it take receiving bad food at a restaurant before you stop going there? For me once, and that’s all it takes for the world to hate bikers, after somebody has cost somebody their life because they rode recklessly. But we hear about it everyday with more frequency. If we ALL don’t take the time to aid the newly interested ones, to ride responsibly a time will come when nobody can ride. Make my words, If Joe Blow politician gets his way they won’t just ban sport bikes, they will ban all bikes (Sport, Cruisers and everything in between) from the public road way. :jacked:

liar :lol: No really I am. I have personally riden with both Pippi and Tigger and they are cool people. I didnt mean to start such controversy. :idk:

Unfortunately, Yes This whole “conversation” really reminds me of the nation’s debate on Sport bike riding. Unfortunately there are people that ride outside of there ability regardless of who they are and what they ride and how they ride. And yes, a few bad apples do spoil the bunch even if they are removed soon enough, because another one will follow it. If you haven’t noticed, politicians are trying to ban them (US) on the public streets. This whole “conversation” is about being a responsible rider, knowing your limits and riding within them, not taking unnecessary risk that could put others lives in danger. How many times does it take receiving bad food at a restaurant before you stop going there? For me once, and that’s all it takes for the world to hate bikers, after somebody has cost somebody their life because they rode recklessly. But we hear about it everyday with more frequency. If we ALL don’t take the time to aid the newly interested ones, to ride responsibly a time will come when nobody can ride. Make my words, If Joe Blow politician gets his way they won’t just ban sport bikes, they will ban all bikes (Sport, Cruisers and everything in between) from the public road way. :jacked: :iagree: but my comments were specific to the riders that went down last week at the GAP. I was there and neither were riding recklessly and no one was in danger when they went down. As a group and one on one, each accident was discussed in depth. As far as the rider that 12 oclock'd his ride, well we all know riders (or rode with) that have pulled a wheelie on a public road on a straight. Without getting into the "stunt'n on roads debate", my point was don't be hypocritical and pass judgment because they went down doing exactly what you or those around you have done before.

.... I was there and neither were riding recklessly and no one was in danger when they went down. There are levels of recklessness, and we have to be even more cautious then any other vehicle on the road. It’s unfortunate that riders don’t realize that and minor slip up can cost you more then you can afford to pay. It’s amazing how a simple glance, a single beer, a flinch in the wrong direction (and so on and so on) can cause so much damage. There are so many things that can go wrong while riding, but we take that risk to enjoy the sport. .... As a group and one on one, each accident was discussed in depth. As far as the rider that 12 oclock'd his ride, well we all know riders (or rode with) that have pulled a wheelie on a public road on a straight. Without getting into the "stunt'n on roads debate", That’s exactly what more experienced riders should do! In hope that people will learn from their mistakes and build upon the experience and better themselves.:dthumb: Yeah Stunt’in on public road ways is another ball of wax. .... my point was don't be hypocritical and pass judgment because they went down doing exactly what you or those around you have done before. I am glad to say Passing Judgment is not my Job. WE all know accidents happen and it is our responsibility to do everything in our power to prevent them from happening to us.:twfrox:

best damn quote from the entire thread! This forum is about RESPONSIBLE riding... :iagree: :twfrox: Everybody must ride their own ride. Hopefully in the near future I can ride with more of these fueding Michiganders and show them how the chop drags stuff...:wink: :dthumb: :yikes: Im sorry I started this thread. :leaving: But I'm not :sorry: for closing it! http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Posting/U%20or%20thread%20sucks/another_thread_down_in_flames.jpg