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No way... :wbs: :wbs: I have a sure fire way to get every plane to the terminal... but before you do anything you have to collect bail money from the other passengers on the plane... I'ld be sick if I sat there that long....:skep: can anyone tell me what the offence is for threating a pilot?? :bash:

good god this is rediculous.

... but before you do anything you have to collect bail money from the other passengers on the plane... I :slol:

Wonder if they got there money back? probably not.

I can tell you a few important things to remember. Once the plane has left the gate with its passengers "Its ON-TIME" by FAA rules. Further, once its late, its late... to the airplane company it don't matter if its 10mins late or 10hours. Its the same on the FAA paperwork. I can honestly tell you, that if I was on there... I would have been arrested! NO DOUBT! I would have threatened the pilot and been taken off in handcuffs! Further, did you know that it is ILLEGAL for your laguage to travel without you. If you change flights and they EVER tell you that your luggage is gone... remind them its illegal and they must return it to you.

:nonod: I'd be freaking out on the crew... :willy:

I would have been irate. It's one thing to be on a long flight (to Korea from Seattle or to Kuwait from Utah), but at least you're expecting it and they feed you. 10 hours without food is a crock of shiat. I'd have been raising all sorts of hell.

I am a patient person... I am not that patient of a person. I would have freaked out and killed someone... about hour 3...

I can tell you a few important things to remember. Once the plane has left the gate with its passengers "Its ON-TIME" by FAA rules. Further, once its late, its late... to the airplane company it don't matter if its 10mins late or 10hours. Its the same on the FAA paperwork. I can honestly tell you, that if I was on there... I would have been arrested! NO DOUBT! I would have threatened the pilot and been taken off in handcuffs! Further, did you know that it is ILLEGAL for your laguage to travel without you. If you change flights and they EVER tell you that your luggage is gone... remind them its illegal and they must return it to you. You know a lot more than the average passenger, good on ya! :dthumb: Couple things, JFK airport is freaking HORRIBLE. It's a wildly overworked hub with double their intended capacity everday and in peak season the system often just fails completely like in the video. Those decision made outside the plane were done by air logistics and flight operations, both of which work to get each flight operating. When they're way behind they'll just start picking up phones and saying one word answers to all your questions- yes, no, etc. What they say goes and is final. It sucks. :tt: The part about not feeding the passengers was probably an AL decision most likely because they were considering cancelling the flight, could also be because they pack only slightly more food than needed for everyone on the flight to get a snack. They didn't lie about the pilot being in the terminal, with the thousands of flight crews circulating around the US, even the best computer systems lose track of pilots and crews. It happens many times a day even at my moderately sized hub. And about the baggage...that might be a rule somewhere in some law book but I can tell you it is not enforced. If it was, everyone at my airport would have been arrested several times by now. From a passengers point of view getting the bags on the plane seems deceptively simple when in fact there about a dozen x factors which I can go into if youd like. :) You may find it mildly interesting.

by about the second hour, I would have been asking for cigarettes, skoal, redman, or something. by hour 4, I woulda been telling em to either let me off the damn plane, give me my stuff and I'll get a freakin bus ticket or I"ll have a psycotic episode on the plane.

by about the second hour, I would have been asking for cigarettes, skoal, redman, or something. by hour 4, I woulda been telling em to either let me off the damn plane, give me my stuff and I'll get a freakin bus ticket or I"ll have a psycotic episode on the plane. Exactly... I am honestly curious what they would do if you DEMANDED to get off. And just start going for the door! Seroiusly?

Exactly... I am honestly curious what they would do if you DEMANDED to get off. And just start going for the door! Seroiusly? Probably not let you go, because others may demand the same. Given you do not calm down, you would also probably be considered a risk to safety, at which point you're going to be worse off than seating cramped in a small seat for hours on end.

Probably not let you go, because others may demand the same. Given you do not calm down, you would also probably be considered a risk to safety, at which point you're going to be worse off than seating cramped in a small seat for hours on end. Which would be total BS. I would get off that plane. They WOULD let me. Otherwise they are unlawfully detaining me... I would be the guy who grabs the guy with the video camera, moved up to the front, and demanded to get off. In fact, I would recruit others to join me as I was up there... Very Jerry Maguire, "who's coming with me!"

All I know is that if I was on there, I would be irrate, and I agree with everyones ideas so far. BUT, if I had my child on there and they wouldn't let us off, wouldn't feed us, I KNOW I would leave there one way or another (In handcuffs, tasered multiple times, whatever it took to get off that f'n plane)

Oh dayum... the window cracked. :wtf:? :whistle:

If you ask to be let off they will try to determine your problem and try to talk you out of it but if you absolutely insist they'll taxi back to the gate and let you off. You won't be refunded and they probably won't let you fly again any time soon. It's rare but it does happen, I've seen it happen a couple times when it starts storming and first time flyers get scared and demand to be let off. Once you're in the air, you wont get off early unless you cause a big scene, in which case they'll divert back to the starting city, air marshals get involved and you have federal charges against you for disrupting a flight. That's happened a couple times already this summer, vacation travel makes people CRAZY...no thanks to us :wink: It happened last year during the superbowl, some guy thought he'd be able to keep his cell phone on to check the score while in the air and when they made him turn it off he flipped the crap out and made them divert back. Air Marshalls aren't gentle.

If you ask to be let off they will try to determine your problem and try to talk you out of it but if you absolutely insist they'll taxi back to the gate and let you off. You won't be refunded and they probably won't let you fly again any time soon. It's rare but it does happen, I've seen it happen a couple times when it starts storming and first time flyers get scared and demand to be let off. Once you're in the air, you wont get off early unless you cause a big scene, in which case they'll divert back to the starting city, air marshals get involved and you have federal charges against you for disrupting a flight. That's happened a couple times already this summer, vacation travel makes people CRAZY...no thanks to us :wink: It happened last year during the superbowl, some guy thought he'd be able to keep his cell phone on to check the score while in the air and when they made him turn it off he flipped the crap out and made them divert back. Air Marshalls aren't gentle. Nice to get the real answer. :)

Delta blows. The government should have let them go under. Its not a coincidence that this was a Delta flight.

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I'd sue...

I'd sue... People are suing and trying to get a "passenger's bill of rights" act passed. Mainly due to shiat like this.

People are suing and trying to get a "passenger's bill of rights" act passed. Mainly due to shiat like this. Good... The airline industry is such a POS... So poorly managed it's ridiculous... I really don't see any level of accountability either...

Probably not let you go, because others may demand the same. Given you do not calm down, you would also probably be considered a risk to safety, at which point you're going to be worse off than seating cramped in a small seat for hours on end. Yeah but adrenlaine and man nuts will make a guy do some crazy stuff! Which would be total BS. I would get off that plane. They WOULD let me. Otherwise they are unlawfully detaining me... I would be the guy who grabs the guy with the video camera, moved up to the front, and demanded to get off. In fact, I would recruit others to join me as I was up there... Very Jerry Maguire, "who's coming with me!" Not a bad idea!!! All I know is that if I was on there, I would be irrate, and I agree with everyones ideas so far. BUT, if I had my child on there and they wouldn't let us off, wouldn't feed us, I KNOW I would leave there one way or another (In handcuffs, tasered multiple times, whatever it took to get off that f'n plane) That's what I'm talking about!!! Good... The airline industry is such a POS... So poorly managed it's ridiculous... I really don't see any level of accountability either... Exactly the problem!! I'd sue em too and I'm a guy that hates the "sue mentality"!!!

I work for the airlines too and I'll tell you first hand- poorly managed doesn't even begin to describe this zoo. Once you are on the airplane and they have pulled off the gate the flight crew actually has very little power in returning to the gate. They have to get permission and be cleared to return. And during delays- there are usually no open gates to return to. The best way to get off a plane in that situation- is to fake an illness- the flight attendent will try to give you oxygen- but just insist on medical personel... they will declare "medical emergency" and clear the airplane back to the gate immediately and no-one gets in trouble. Once your back to the gate and off the airplane- insist that you were miraculously "healed" and be on your way... Trust me- the crews feel just like the passengers- trapped- and they are not getting paid while they sit there on the ramp- they get paid by the "flight hour"- so untill takeoff- they are on perdium- which is like 3 bucks an hour. Thank God I'm in maintenance- I could never deal with the rush and wait of the flight positions- or the customer service of dealing with angry passengers all day. Or the embarrisment of being part of TSA... airline security is a JOKE! If anyone believes them morons are making flying safer- I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale...

Good call on the illness. I have a heart mumor that would work just fine for that! :D