Pub or Dem ???

Enough threads have been hyjacked about politics. Why not have a separate thread? Personally, Living near DC-I hear enough about politics-I am sick of it. However, I like Fred Thompson. He reminds me of Ronny Reagan. I think he could find us a way out of the Iraq war and keep the economy motivated. What do you guys (and girls) think?

Enough threads have been hyjacked about politics. Why not have a separate thread? Personally, Living near DC-I hear enough about politics-I am sick of it. However, I like Fred Thompson. He reminds me of Ronny Reagan. I think he could find us a way out of the Iraq war and keep the economy motivated. What do you guys (and girls) think? Politics = heated arguments :lol:

I use to be a big political person, I think I was that way because I could irritate the hell out of hippies on campus while I was at college. Now that I am in the work force and the people I work with tend to have the same political stances I do, I have become uninterested. :lol: Fred Thompson seems pretty cool, but it is the Democrats election to lose. Bush pissed too many people off, unless the Dems really f**k up (which is very possible), I think they got this one in the bag.

Political discussions usually get ugly!!! I like Rudy Giuliani and I think he would be a great president! And thats all I am sayin about politics :wink:

I must be the only pub in america who loves immigrants, weed, and the freedom to make choices......:idk: It all went downhill when they passed womens suffrage.....:lol: :lol: :leaving: :leaving:

I give 2 chyt about which party they are in :lol: I want someone that will do wtf they say they will do n not back down. One reason I do like Bush he does stick to his guns. Someone that wont disgrace the office Like Clinton did and then try to lie his way out of it, didnt yanno a blowjob isnt sex??? go figure :lol:

Ehhh.All the Presidents have their skeletons. How would you have liked to have been JFK knocking the bottom out of M. Monroe? That said-You could pay me enough to vote for Hillary or Obama.If the Republicans are smart-They will distance themselves from Bush and run on thier own merits.

i'm 'big D' all the way. 'nuff said...

I think I am one of the more extreme stanced people on the board. I am a totalitarian, but only if I am the absolute leader. :lol:

Ehhh.All the Presidents have their skeletons. How would you have liked to have been JFK knocking the bottom out of M. Monroe? That said-You could pay me enough to vote for Hillary or Obama.If the Republicans are smart-They will distance themselves from Bush and run on thier own merits. Yea but at the time it wasnt public knowledge or in the media like todays BS is. Bush is out after this term,they need to kick the media out of it n stop makin it a circus like it is these days.

I think I am one of the more extreme stanced people on the board. I am a totalitarian, but only if I am the absolute leader. :lol: I could not be opressed under you leadership but I would be happy to opress you.(By you I mean everybody who is not a white male landowner.) (By I I really mean us rich white land owners.)

I could not be opressed under you leadership but I would be happy to opress you.(By you I mean everybody who is not a white male landowner.) (By I I really mean us rich white land owners.) sounds like what the founder fathers set up with our government :lol:

I could not be opressed under you leadership but I would be happy to opress you.(By you I mean everybody who is not a white male landowner.) (By I I really mean us rich white land owners.) LOL, I would so be an evil dictator.

I could not be opressed under you leadership but I would be happy to opress you.(By you I mean everybody who is not a white male landowner.) (By I I really mean us rich white land owners.) :lol: after all...Isn't that what is really all about?

LOL, I would so be an evil dic tater. Does he know about this yet?

I care about the democratic process. But I don't care about politics...anymore.

Does he know about this yet? :lol: shhhh SURPRISE BUTTSECKS! BTW, where the f**k garfield go?

I want someone that will do wtf they say they will do n not back down. I think Senator Clinton will stick to her guns of going into a pure communist nation in which she and only she runs the show. Doesn't mean I'll vote for her. The problem with politics is it's like football teams. People are either Redskins or Cowboys, Bulldogs or Jackets, Patriots or Packers, etc vs etc. It doesn't matter who is the better team or whatever. All that matters is you stick by them no matter how crappy they are. Which is fine in the useless world of sports except there is one difference. The people you vote in or allow in because you didn't vote have the policing power of government behind them and superior firepower. The Presidential Election needs to be scrapped. It's a beauty contest in which the winner is the person who promises the most money. Here is a good quote I found from Neal Boortz' website... "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." Above from Alexander Tyler. No, he wasn't writing about the United States. This quote is well over one hundred years old. Tyler was writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic. America is going to collapse. When I don't know. I Just hope I'm around when it happens.

:withstupi :Those that refuse to remember the past are doomed to repeat it" by:A smart mofo

I'm independent. Don't agree with any party on everything, disagree with both parties on a lot of things. I really like Ron Paul, he's way to no BS to win which is sad. I also like Obama quite a bit, those are the only two I will be voting for. Clinton is a typical limousine liberal, totally fake and pretends to be interested in things for the polls. Guiliani used to be a cool guy to me but then I read a book about him (forget the title) and talked to several new yorkers who absolutely LOATHE him for things not publicized much. He also basically plays up being the mayor during 9/11 way too much, it can go unsaid. I'm a big fan of Colbert Report and The Daily Show but I'd also get rid of a chitload of government agencies and programs so in that way I'm conservative. I like a scaled back government capable of handling trade, policing the streets for serious crimes (not weed), keeping the roads autobahn like and bombing the hell out of people when need be. Anything else I could live without. :2cents:

I consider my self a Republican. While I have been content with President Bush, I am fairly disgusted with both parties. What little I know of the libertarians I like and would like to see a third party come into the running. I tend to get "red face" when I talk politics so hopefully this will be my only input.

In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing. -Mark Twain :dthumb: btw, a brass farthing was a british coin worth 1/4 of a penny. So their opinions were not even worth :2cents:

I hate politics. Dem or Replican, they are ALL bad. Every last one of them has an agenda to better themsleves, not the public. Yes I do vote every chance I get, but 9 times out of 10 the guy I vote for doesnt get tinto office because people are either uneducated about the issues or their vote is based entirely on what party they are affiliated with, which goes back to being uneducated.

ehh I hear about politics all day long because my girlfriend works at the capital for a state rep, her dad is A state rep, and I live in the freakin capital of PA.

I use to be a big political person, I think I was that way because I could irritate the hell out of hippies on campus while I was at college. Now that I am in the work force and the people I work with tend to have the same political stances I do, I have become uninterested. :lol: Fred Thompson seems pretty cool, but it is the Democrats election to lose. Bush pissed too many people off, unless the Dems really f**k up (which is very possible), I think they got this one in the bag. I used to be crazy into politics too... The Dems candidates are so far off the mark I doubt they will win... Then again, the public is retarded so anything's possible... I give 2 chyt about which party they are in :lol: I want someone that will do wtf they say they will do n not back down. One reason I do like Bush he does stick to his guns. Someone that wont disgrace the office Like Clinton did and then try to lie his way out of it, didnt yanno a blowjob isnt sex??? go figure :lol: That's about the only thing I like about Bush, and I voted for him... :leaving: Ehhh.All the Presidents have their skeletons. How would you have liked to have been JFK knocking the bottom out of M. Monroe? That said-You could pay me enough to vote for Hillary or Obama.If the Republicans are smart-They will distance themselves from Bush and run on thier own merits. In this day, JFK and MM would be available on video... I'd watch. I think I am one of the more extreme stanced people on the board. I am a totalitarian, but only if I am the absolute leader. :lol: Douchebag party? I could not be opressed under you leadership but I would be happy to opress you.(By you I mean everybody who is not a white male landowner.) (By I I really mean us rich white land owners.) :willy: I think Senator Clinton will stick to her guns of going into a pure communist nation in which she and only she runs the show. Doesn't mean I'll vote for her. The problem with politics is it's like football teams. People are either Redskins or Cowboys, Bulldogs or Jackets, Patriots or Packers, etc vs etc. It doesn't matter who is the better team or whatever. All that matters is you stick by them no matter how crappy they are. Which is fine in the useless world of sports except there is one difference. The people you vote in or allow in because you didn't vote have the policing power of government behind them and superior firepower. The Presidential Election needs to be scrapped. It's a beauty contest in which the winner is the person who promises the most money. Here is a good quote I found from Neal Boortz' website... "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." Above from Alexander Tyler. No, he wasn't writing about the United States. This quote is well over one hundred years old. Tyler was writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic. America is going to collapse. When I don't know. I Just hope I'm around when it happens. :iagree: :withstupi :Those that refuse to remember the past are doomed to repeat it" by:A smart mofo :withstupi I hate politics. Dem or Replican, they are ALL bad. Every last one of them has an agenda to better themsleves, not the public. Yes I do vote every chance I get, but 9 times out of 10 the guy I vote for doesnt get tinto office because people are either uneducated about the issues or their vote is based entirely on what party they are affiliated with, which goes back to being uneducated. :thx1:

How many of you can honestly say that either party has nominated a truly qualified and respectable candidate for the leader of our country in the last, say, 2 decades???:idk: Where are these smart qualified leaders hiding and why don't they get the support they deserve? Is it because they are morally opposed to politics in general? Busy making a mint in the private sector? Refuse to kiss butt and do as they are paid by political action committees?:idk:

No thanks. I do my talking in the voting booth :leaving:

I normally like to stick with the rule that there are two things you should rarely talk about or bring up: Politics and Religion. It can cause rifts within good friendships. Only when you know that both conversating parties share the same stance or both have enough composure to not get too passionate in conversation to take things personal, should these topics be discussed. Anyways, things are so messed up, it's hard to believe anybody these days- pub or dem

I consider my self a Republican. While I have been content with President Bush, I am fairly disgusted with both parties. What little I know of the libertarians I like and would like to see a third party come into the running. I tend to get "red face" when I talk politics so hopefully this will be my only input. The main problem with the Libertarian party and why they'll never accomplish anything is this. The Libertarian party is basically in 3parts. 1 part is your radical anarchists who believe in no government at all and for everybody to fend for themselves. Which sadly are the most outspoken Libertarians that everyone knows about. Then you have the Moderate realistic Libertarians who understand that we have to "Play the game" some to get anywhere. They generally believe most drugs should be legal for purchase and take a more aggresive stance on war. They also understand there is a purpose for government. Just not what is being used now. If anything they are Republicans who don't care if you smoke dope or watch porn. They are also very free-enterprise oriented. That's pretty much where I fall. Then you finally have the peace at any price Libertarians who want socialized everything and free legal drugs and are only on the Libertarian side becuase of the Libertarians anti-war anything platform. They would go Democrats where they belong but they want to be "Rebels". Also I have come to find out that with the radical libertarians if you even disagree a little bit with the platform you aren't a Libertarian. That is the main problem right there. Here is a quote I like about the difference between Democrats and Republicans... The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P. J. O'Rourke

Fred Thompson seems pretty cool, but it is the Democrats election to lose. Bush pissed too many people off, unless the Dems really f**k up (which is very possible), I think they got this one in the bag. :iagree: :withstupi And I hope to god they pull through. Damn pubs. Political discussions usually get ugly!!! I like Rudy Giuliani and I think he would be a great president! And thats all I am sayin about politics :wink: You just like him because he is from the same town as your chitty baseball team. And that is the reason that I hate him. :lol: I must be the only pub in america who loves immigrants, weed, and the freedom to make choices......:idk: It all went downhill when they passed womens suffrage.....:lol: :lol: :leaving: :leaving: Who the hell likes immigrants!? :lol: One reason I do like Bush he does stick to his guns. Someone that wont disgrace the office Like Clinton did and then try to lie his way out of it, didnt yanno a blowjob isnt sex??? go figure :lol: Sticking to his guns like the moronic foolhardy a$$hole that he is? Yeah, let's stick to our guns, no matter that the initial idea is a retarded one... And who cares about BJs? At least the man knew how to run the country. He had the US in tip top running shape. All the presidents, and all the RESIDENTS, of the US have their skeletons, just not everyone's is broadcast to the country. That man can get head every day for all I care, at least he was a good president. i'm 'big D' all the way. 'nuff said... I'll give you 'big D'.... :leaving: :lol: In this day, JFK and MM would be available on video... I'd watch. :iagree: :withstupi that chit would be hot. Her big boobies.... him saying chit in his thick Boston accent... :lol:

:iagree: :withstupi that chit would be hot. Her big boobies.... him saying chit in his thick Boston accent... :lol: You'd be paying attention to him? :gary: :lol:

You just like him because he is from the same town as your chitty baseball team. And that is the reason that I hate him. :lol: Yeah thats it, because I am not smart enough to pick a candidate on any other basis because I like the Yankees. I like him for alot of reasons and not just because hes is a Yankees fan.

You'd be paying attention to him? :gary: :lol: haha go eff yourself :lol: c'mon you know what I mean. How funny would it be, her bouncing everywhere and this thick boston accent sounding like a voiceover... like "oh yeah, right theahhhhh you fahkkin hoahhhhhhh" :lol:

Yeah thats it, because I am not smart enough to pick a candidate on any other basis because I like the Yankees. I like him for alot of reasons and not just because hes is a Yankees fan. Oh cmon I was just kidding... let's hug and make up :hug:

Oh cmon I was just kidding... let's hug and make up :hug: I'll think about it. :whistle: Ok :hug: for now...But I can't promise ya anything when we get to the Playoffs :nee (Praying for a subway series)

when we get to the Playoffs Things aren't looking too hot for you getting there in the first place at all... :lol:

Things aren't looking too hot for you getting there in the first place at all... :lol: On ne sais jamais!:wink:

On ne sais jamais!:wink: I don't speak russian :lol:

I don't speak russian :lol: Francais :P (it says One Never Knows!)

Francais :P (it says One Never Knows!) I know it was french, i was kidding :lol:

OK I can see where this thread will end up :lol: My last comments in here Billy boy didnt have the country in any better shape than Georgie does now. :cheers: The only candidate anywhere near worth voting for in the last 2 decades was a complete loony, a rich successful loony, but still would had been better than what we had. The economy has jackchyt to do with what president we have :lol: Commerce n trade do :cheers: I know alot of people dont agree with the war in Iraq, I aint happy about it but its needed, can you imagine what gas prices would be if we wasnt there? And our presence there has disrupted the terrorist everyone wants to pretend aint out there no more. They are there, waiting til we get all cocky n think we cant be touched again like we were on 911. I like that Bush has the balls to piss everyone off to do what everyone b4 him was to chickenchyt to do. :cheers:

OK I can see where this thread will end up :lol: My last comments in here Billy boy didnt have the country in any better shape than Georgie does now. :cheers: The only candidate anywhere near worth voting for in the last 2 decades was a complete loony, a rich successful loony, but still would had been better than what we had. The economy has jackchyt to do with what president we have :lol: Commerce n trade do :cheers: I know alot of people dont agree with the war in Iraq, I aint happy about it but its needed, can you imagine what gas prices would be if we wasnt there? And our presence there has disrupted the terrorist everyone wants to pretend aint out there no more. They are there, waiting til we get all cocky n think we cant be touched again like we were on 911. I like that Bush has the balls to piss everyone off to do what everyone b4 him was to chickenchyt to do. :cheers: :iagree: :withstupi (amazing isn't it?) :hug:

My last comments in here Billy boy didnt have the country in any better shape than Georgie does now. :cheers: Wow that's not true. Just really not true. The economy has jackchyt to do with what president we have :lol: Commerce n trade do :cheers: That's also not true. Who is in office usually determines to which side(dem or pub) the house and senate are leaned towards, and that has a HUGE effect on the economy. And our presence there has disrupted the terrorist everyone wants to pretend aint out there no more. And by disrupted you mean pissed them off even more so that now they are even worse? yeah.

You guys really think the president has alot to do with the national economy. Sure Clinton boffed NAFTA and Geo hasn't done anything accept pander to the special interest groups (namely major industry like oil companies and pharmaceutical concerns) but the president doesn't really get to pick his agenda after the people who paid for his campaign have their say. Hell Alan Greenspan had (and even after he retired might still) have more pull on the economic situation...Maybe Ben Bernanke will grow into it eventually.

The president has more to do with the economy than any President should. The economy should solely be based on the free market and the private sector. Now to think that the Government doesn't have any affect on the economy isn't true. They have some. Mainly restrictions which F it up. And when it does do better it's becuase they relieve restrictions. President Clinton's economy was probably the biggest fluke in history which of course he is going to take credit for. Despite very little of it was his doing. Clinton had two things going for him. A Republican Legislative branch that did some to shrink government and most importantly the Dot.com Bubble from the mid to late 90s. However when it burst in the early 2000s people who quit their daily 9-5 jobs to start some dumb internet company where now out of a job and broke. Add in September 11th and a new hightened sense of insecurity it's a perfect making for a collapsing economy. However the get rich quick failures of the Dot.com era have finally gotten jobs again and the economy is growing strongly again. And people are also becoming complacent again (Like in the 90s) and feel secure even with our wars which is a recipe for a boom in an economy. Example being hte baby boom of the 50s where everyone felt perfectly safe again. President Bush is far from a great president. He's alright and I like how strong he has stood against the War of Islamo-fascism. That's about it. But when it comes to expanding the role of Government he is the worste.