Police Officer's vs Military

Sitting here watching the news, they are debating whether to increase Savannah GA police officer's starting salary from $31,000 to $36,000. Had me thinking who should get paid more, military or police officer's?

I need more money. I cant afford a damn thing and I deal with so many retards its ridiculous haha

Should be similar I would think. Both in charge of public safety right? I'm not standing firm on my POV.

All depends on what they do.

I say the military, but the coppers shouldnt be far behind even tho I use to be a reason they had something to do :lol:

I'm Biased so military and at least most cops go home to there family every night and i agree they face danger every day and soldiers face danger only when deployed really. even though we are always targets especially overseas the majority of the time I have friends that have been deployed 3 times in three years in Germany when i was there you do the math and now we will have 15 months deployments the cost of living for most of the posts we are at takes our whole check not counting daycare and other expenses including military related they give us a 100 and take back 99 as the cadence goes is so true i know several soldiers on assistance not saying one over the other saying both deserve more money decrease the congress and senators pay and your real worforce including blue collar jobs keeping the country running not these people who get paid to guess whats best for us :tt: :2cents: :2cents:

Yeah not too many jobs you gotta say bye to your family and I HOPE I see you again in 15 months

Yeah not too many jobs you gotta say bye to your family and I HOPE I see you again in 15 months yea nuttin like the smell of burnt decomp bodies in the morning :lol: :puke: at just the memories of that chyt :lol:

I'm Biased so military and at least most cops go home to there family every night and i agree they face danger every day and soldiers face danger only when deployed really. even though we are always targets especially overseas the majority of the time I have friends that have been deployed 3 times in three years in Germany when i was there you do the math and now we will have 15 months deployments the cost of living for most of the posts we are at takes our whole check not counting daycare and other expenses including military related they give us a 100 and take back 99 as the cadence goes is so true i know several soldiers on assistance not saying one over the other saying both deserve more money decrease the congress and senators pay and your real worforce including blue collar jobs keeping the country running not these people who get paid to guess whats best for us :tt: :2cents: :2cents: here here :clap: politicians n the like are all way over paid as is not to mention the cry they cant live off what they make?? Excuse me let me have your $190k+ pay check n they can have mine n then they might know how it is to not be able to live off something. Most politicians dont have a clue what real work is much less how it is to have to do without. But they are the first ones that will stick to the people. Sad thing is, it wont change, Was setupso the rich stay in power n get richer, and the working class stay just that the working class. :nonod:

Kind of an unfair question. Are we talking pay for risk? I would say Detroit,Washington DC and Newark cops should be paid the most then. Followed closely by deployed troops.

They both work hard and do their jobs. I know cops get a ton of flack. But theres more out than then just patrol cops too. Both are life risking jobs. Quit paying celebrities 50 million bucks a movie and pay the people who make a difference for our country(cops and military)!

It should be equal pay. All governmet jobs should pay the same including politicians.

Most overpaid? CEO's of major corporations. Salary, stock options, golden parachute severance packages, tons of perks, just for bankrupting their own business and lying to stockholders....Nice work if you can get it, apply now at Enron!

I think the Military. 5-0 get alot of breaks in there communitys a-lot of discounts on whatever they buy sometime even free.

I think it we (military active, I am a reservist) should get paid enough that when they are junior troops/sailors they shpould be able to make enough to support thier families with out having to go on foodstamps or wic and at times even qualify for section 8. once you reach about E-5 you are doing pretty good. as far as police I know alot who make good money. but starting out at 35K is ok but could be higher. Just my 1/2 a penny thought.

I think it we (military active, I am a reservist) should get paid enough that when they are junior troops/sailors they shpould be able to make enough to support thier families with out having to go on foodstamps or wic and at times even qualify for section 8. once you reach about E-5 you are doing pretty good. as far as police I know alot who make good money. but starting out at 35K is ok but could be higher. Just my 1/2 a penny thought. If you go in the military at 18, you should be an E-5 by the time you are 22 easily. You have no business getting married until after that anyway, so I dont feel sorry for the dumbass E-3's that have to struggle to support a family of 4. You're not going to make it in the civilian world at that age either so the government shouldnt have to pay more because you're a dumbass. Guys with little or no education right out od HS make what $20K/year. If thats not enough to support a family, I have news for you idiot, dont make one. I was in the Navy for 4 yeas and I saw it all the time. Im glad I was smart enough to wait until I got out and finished school before I decided to start a family.

Sorry I can't feel your way becaue some young people do make mistakes and they have a child. does that make them an idiot. no. they just made amistake. I would rather they try to reamin a family then go thier seprate ways and rasie another single parent family that seems to be all the rage. I honeslty didn't know to many juniors with more than two kids. And further more most kids at 18-21 are still living at home sponging off mom and daddys teet. these people are not. They are not! they are livng thier own independent lives. Hell looka tall the welfare cases out there. They are getting welfare because they are to lazy to get a :cursin: job but we pay millions to these worthless people every day! I am not saying there are people who don't deserve help but they are the ones looking for jobs not just taking advantage of the system to get more money for kids they don"t give a :cursin: about. Oh well. I can see your point but don't put down people who make a mistake or heaven forbid are actually in love and wanted to start a family.

I think that both should get paid more than they currently get. As far as who should get more between the two...I think both should get paid according to the environment they're in, ie hazardous duty pay. In some cases, cops get paid more than military, in others, it's the opposite.

We do get some incentives like Haz Pay, family sep, Sea pay if your on ship. and if you are in a hostile area it is even tax free in most cases.

We do get some incentives like Haz Pay, family sep, Sea pay if your on ship. and if you are in a hostile area it is even tax free in most cases. Or even flight deck pay! :dthumb:

Yep got that too for being on the flight quaters fire party. Loved being a DC man on active.

They both work hard and do their jobs. I know cops get a ton of flack. But theres more out than then just patrol cops too. Both are life risking jobs. Quit paying celebrities 50 million bucks a movie and pay the people who make a difference for our country(cops and military)! :iagree: Done both jobs...at least in the military, you know who the enemy is.

:iagree: Done both jobs...at least in the military, you know who the enemy is. No you dont

Both. I agree congress men have no room 2 talk. I would love 2 get payed 100,000 or more to set in a nice cool office and pass stupid laws all day... Look at the name Con gress men

f politicians, they get so much money and most of them are so rich to begin with, they shouldn't get paid at all and do it as a free service to our country because it should be an honor to do so..... the chances of that happening are close to the chances of the Oakland Raiders winning the superbowl this year.....none:wink: Im going to be a police officer within the next year and im also going to be an infantry officer in the Army national guard next may....so i think both

Most guys and gals in the military are one time enlistment. Their pay should increase as they re-enlist. They often receive good training and experience that they can apply back in the civilian world. I am former military and the pay was adequate. I was very satisified with what they offered me and I throughly enjoyed it for my one time enlistment. NOW as for COPS. Most make it a career. I believe they should be paid well as they constantly put their lives on the line. By then most of these folks have families. Many regions pay scale is inadequate. DON'T mean to sound like a pessimist, but our society has made being any kind of peace officer a often unappreciated and dangerous job. Our society today has forgotten to respect others. Too many non-humans among us. NHI's (no humans involved s.a. gang bangers and drug dealers) that prey on other people. We only need cops because of these low lifes that exist among us. Give them the pay they deserve. And if I get a ticket, then I say :cursin: and get on with my life.

I think both are probably underpaid, but neither provide services that are particularly appreciated or valued in this country. The savannah cops should get their raise definitly a very dangerous city to be a cop in, but I am all for more cheese for the military especially support for the families at home you guys probably don't need much spending money in the sandbox anyways....:lol: :patr:

Both. I agree congress men have no room 2 talk. I would love 2 get payed 100,000 or more to set in a nice cool office and pass stupid laws all day... Look at the name Con gress men :lol:

you got the con man part right>

military and police should be a mandatory service for all fresh HS grads of age. -a|ex

military and police should be a mandatory service for all fresh HS grads of age. -a|ex :withstupi :iagree: with this guy for once. :lol:

police officers in california are VERY well off. the starting salary for highway patrol is around 55k a year and they can pick up a LOT of overtime if they want. The starting pay for Police in sacramento is around 50k, Petaluma-Santa Rosa- Rohnert Park, around 65k, San Francisco is around 80K-85k starting + lots of overtime available. of course the average home price in San Francisco is 850k and in Petaluma- Santa Rosa- Rohnert Park, about 550k-600k.

police officers in california are VERY well off. the starting salary for highway patrol is around 55k a year and they can pick up a LOT of overtime if they want. The starting pay for Police in sacramento is around 50k, Petaluma-Santa Rosa- Rohnert Park, around 65k, San Francisco is around 80K-85k starting + lots of overtime available. of course the average home price in San Francisco is 850k and in Petaluma- Santa Rosa- Rohnert Park, about 550k-600k. :scratch: I wouldnt call that very well off. 80-85K a year in San Fran is sh*t!

military and police should be a mandatory service for all fresh HS grads of age. -a|ex :iagree: completly even though I thought different when I was a fresh hs grad.....:lol:

The military is the only reason any of us have the freedom to even become cops- we'd have nothing to "police" without the armed forces doing what they do. Therefore I say the military should be paid more- HANDS DOWN. If the founding fathers had anticipated the average yearly income of a congressmen would be 6 figures while the majority of Americans struggle to bust 50 grand a year- I'm sure they would have included a salary top in the constitution. I believe congressmen/senators should be completely voluntary positions rather then upper level income positions that are exempt from social security tax and that provide 6 figure retirement for anyone that served consecutively for only 6 years. :2cents:

The military is the only reason any of us have the freedom to even become cops- we'd have nothing to "police" without the armed forces doing what they do. Therefore I say the military should be paid more- HANDS DOWN. If the founding fathers had anticipated the average yearly income of a congressmen would be 6 figures while the majority of Americans struggle to bust 50 grand a year- I'm sure they would have included a salary top in the constitution. I believe congressmen/senators should be completely voluntary positions rather then upper level income positions that are exempt from social security tax and that provide 6 figure retirement for anyone that served consecutively for only 6 years. :2cents: If being a senator or congressman has to pay something. While it doesn't work in practice being a senator or congressman for free would only make the position more exclusive from those of us that actually have to work could never be senators or congressmen. Of course all those ****ers are lawyers anyhow....:idk:

It should be equal pay. All governmet jobs should pay the same including politicians. :iagree: military and police have dangerous jobs, and work hard for their money, the level of danger faced depends on where they are too. but all should make just enough to live comfortably, but not so insanely much that they have 10 cars and a million dollar house.

I'm retired, 20 yrs, And to hear someone that was apart of the military call some lower enlisted troop dumb A's shows the kind of NCO (if you were one) you were. Understanding a person background and environment will enable you to put a person on the right path, because that's what seniors are for guidance, not self absorbed attitudes. No they need leaders people with the ability provide selfless service to his troops and country! You know nothing with four years, saw one side and didn't have the courage to go farther because you are just too smart for that. DUMB A! If you go in the military at 18, you should be an E-5 by the time you are 22 easily. You have no business getting married until after that anyway, so I dont feel sorry for the dumbass E-3's that have to struggle to support a family of 4. You're not going to make it in the civilian world at that age either so the government shouldnt have to pay more because you're a dumbass. Guys with little or no education right out od HS make what $20K/year. If thats not enough to support a family, I have news for you idiot, dont make one. I was in the Navy for 4 yeas and I saw it all the time. Im glad I was smart enough to wait until I got out and finished school before I decided to start a family.

Military gets paid well, it could be more for lower enlisted soldiers, A few more classes about finances and goals! and the police definitely need a raise and benefits more like the military because WE ALL PROTECT AND SERVE THE COMMUNITY!

Well Lets just say this fourm alone shows the respect for the Cops and SOldier. I am currently active duty and a SSG promotable waiting on my SFC. (should be in the nex few months #20) Just because someone chooses to have a child or like my self has one not by choice. Does not make them an idiot. I was an E-1 PVT that had a son and then I was married by the time I was an E-3 PFC. DOes that make me an idiot, no I call it Manning UP. Taking responsiblity for my actions. Something alot of 18, 19, 20 yr olds don't know how to do. Because they are still at home wanting to be treated like adults but living in the same room they grew up in. Now I will be a SFC in 8 yrs in. I would say that is good, an idiot I don't think could do that. DOes the military deserve a raise, Do police officers deserve a raise? Well ask your self would you want a raise if your job had you up at 0445 and kept you unitl 1700 and then 2-3 times a week untill 1800-1900. ANd thats not even deployed. Not to say there are not jobs out there that don't do this kinda of stuff but compare the paychecks. It is not the same. SO just compare apples to apples. just my .02.

I'm retired, 20 yrs, And to hear someone that was apart of the military call some lower enlisted troop dumb A's shows the kind of NCO (if you were one) you were. Understanding a person background and environment will enable you to put a person on the right path, because that's what seniors are for guidance, not self absorbed attitudes. No they need leaders people with the ability provide selfless service to his troops and country! You know nothing with four years, saw one side and didn't have the courage to go farther because you are just too smart for that. DUMB A! I did my time. I got out went to school and have a much better life because of it. My point was young kids who start families in the military are only making life harder on themsleves and they deserveve no more pay the the single, resposible guy of the same pay grade, just like you wouldnt pay a guy working at mcdonalds flipping burgers more than his co worker who doesnt have a family.

You still don't get, You may have been schooled early on life's struggles, Some people don't have that guidance, some people make mistakes, But If they're man enough(at a young age) to go out and get a career, I'll say that's responsible. Young enough go DIE! for his country, but can't have normal adult priviledges in society. The military is geared to take care of Soldiers and they're families... I say that's the least they can do when they defend this country, And if you really want to get techincal about it, go arhieve the article in Army times about lower enlisted Soldiers living under the proverty level. If average Joe wants to flip burgers, well he's earning a living paying his way. Go to any post see the lower single enlisted with the bling bling and the same soldier with a family getting by still sometimes struggling. I did my time. I got out went to school and have a much better life because of it. My point was young kids who start families in the military are only making life harder on themsleves and they deserveve no more pay the the single, resposible guy of the same pay grade, just like you wouldnt pay a guy working at mcdonalds flipping burgers more than his co worker who doesnt have a family.

You still don't get, You may have been schooled early on life's struggles, Some people don't have that guidance, some people make mistakes, But If they're man enough(at a young age) to go out and get a career, I'll say that's responsible. Young enough go DIE! for his country, but can't have normal adult priviledges in society. The military is geared to take care of Soldiers and they're families... I say that's the least they can do when they defend this country, And if you really want to get techincal about it, go arhieve the article in Army times about lower enlisted Soldiers living under the proverty level. If average Joe wants to flip burgers, well he's earning a living paying his way. Go to any post see the lower single enlisted with the bling bling and the same soldier with a family getting by still sometimes struggling. Why should the married guys in the military get more money than the single guy? His job responsibility is the same as the single guy.

Why should the married guys in the military get more money than the single guy? His job responsibility is the same as the single guy. I understand what you are saying-but you don't have to bust the military's chops for having a heart and giving a little extra scratch for married guys. However, A good statement earlier-MONEY MANAGEMENT should be drilled into new recruits heads-early and often. Former EM1.

Beacuse most single guys/gals live on ship,eat ships meals and married guys can't have their family live on board. and alotr of times base housing is full or being torn down and rebuilt by an outside contractor who is now the controling agent for base housing. The Military needs to up the wages of both single/married peoples wages not just the married. We should all get paid higher in my belief both military/public service. but I do belive the junior troops get paid less than they should. EM1 I agree with that and we do alot of it even in the reserves.

I understand what you are saying-but you don't have to bust the military's chops for having a heart and giving a little extra scratch for married guys. However, A good statement earlier-MONEY MANAGEMENT should be drilled into new recruits heads-early and often. Former EM1. How is that fair to the single guy? Its not. Yes I understand that the single guy gets free housing, free food and such but should he be punished because he made a life sytle choice to be single? You cant reward the married guy because he made a lifestyle choice. It comes down to smart choices and the military shouldnt reward the guys who make bad econimic decisions.

Ok and what about the guy who made the decission to get married because he wanted to. so he should forego(sp?) getting married becuase people think they are too young? NO! I have to firends that got married in high school and are still together. but again I am saying they all need pay raises. but yes marrried should get some extra just for the fact they cannot move their families on ship and overseas or even on some bases. ,so why should the single guy get everything for free and the married should suffer?

Move to California and become a Correctional Peace Officer in a state prison and will make about 50,000 to start and about 75,000 topped out. Now thats not including overtime.....easy 100,000.

Move to California and become a Correctional Peace Officer in a state prison and will make about 50,000 to start and about 75,000 topped out. Now thats not including overtime.....easy 100,000. And if ya lucky ya wont get killed :lol:

Ok and what about the guy who made the decission to get married because he wanted to. so he should forego(sp?) getting married becuase people think they are too young? NO! I have to firends that got married in high school and are still together. but again I am saying they all need pay raises. but yes marrried should get some extra just for the fact they cannot move their families on ship and overseas or even on some bases. ,so why should the single guy get everything for free and the married should suffer? Are they doing the same job? Yes. Should they get paid exactly the same? Yes! Thats all Im trying to say. If a guy chooses to get married, then he chooses to live in poverty. Age had nothing to do with it. There are guys that are plenty mature that go into the military at 30 that are already marriedbefore they go in but they should not get more pay. Marriage is a lifestyle choice and I dont the the federal government should pay people exta based on a lifestyle choice.

Move to California and become a Correctional Peace Officer in a state prison and will make about 50,000 to start and about 75,000 topped out. Now thats not including overtime.....easy 100,000. Aint sh*t for money in Ca.

Move to California and become a Correctional Peace Officer in a state prison and will make about 50,000 to start and about 75,000 topped out. Now thats not including overtime.....easy 100,000. And the cheapest house you will find for sale is like 250,000 puts that salary in perspective that is like 20,000 a year here.

I've never in my career heard of an ex-Soldier talking like this, There something more to you getting out at 4 years.... because if so you should know that the extra money married Soldiers get they pay back, By staying on post or off post for rent. they have to maintain a house on that same base pay, (they get allowance for food) Buying clothes for children and their spouse comes from that base pay, So what real extra money are you talking about? Are they doing the same job? Yes. Should they get paid exactly the same? Yes! Thats all Im trying to say. If a guy chooses to get married, then he chooses to live in poverty. Age had nothing to do with it. There are guys that are plenty mature that go into the military at 30 that are already marriedbefore they go in but they should not get more pay. Marriage is a lifestyle choice and I dont the the federal government should pay people exta based on a lifestyle choice.

I don't know what happened to you, but single Soldiers are living large! Are they doing the same job? Yes. Should they get paid exactly the same? Yes! Thats all Im trying to say. If a guy chooses to get married, then he chooses to live in poverty. Age had nothing to do with it. There are guys that are plenty mature that go into the military at 30 that are already marriedbefore they go in but they should not get more pay. Marriage is a lifestyle choice and I dont the the federal government should pay people exta based on a lifestyle choice.

Oh and single saiolrs do get BAS also known as Baq/VHA in the earlier days. E-5 and above can qualify for it only. and is even availabke to those who are stationed on ship so yeah they get it too. this has been in effect for about 7 year or more.actually approved not long after ADM borda's death.

I've never in my career heard of an ex-Soldier talking like this, There something more to you getting out at 4 years.... because if so you should know that the extra money married Soldiers get they pay back, By staying on post or off post for rent. they have to maintain a house on that same base pay, (they get allowance for food) Buying clothes for children and their spouse comes from that base pay, So what real extra money are you talking about? No matter how the money is spent, its extra money for them. They are not required to stay on base so they dont get that money back. Im not saying it is extra pocket money, I know that it goes to living expenses. Living expenses that a single guy doesnt have however. All Im saying is the playing fiel should be leveled. And what do you mean there is more to me getting out after 4 years. :scratch: I was honerably discharged, I had numerous awards and I was even "capped" to E4 in my 3rd year. They dont cap too many people last time I checked. Got my AW wings even. Similiar to SW to you black shoe sailors. My dedication to service was never questioned. And I gurantee I spent more time in school than you did your first 4 years(nearly 2 years). They dont sned screw offs back for more school after being in the fleet for a year. So where statement comes from I have no idea.

Married Soldiers Get BAH. Well with the government contract that is on most if not all post know, MArried soldiers have to pay all of there BAH back regardless of the rank. A single soldier does not get BAH, they live in the barracks for FREE. Then Married soldiers get BAS which is for food. The are required to pay for there meals at the Dining Facilities on post. Single Soldiers don't. They get to eat at the Dinning Facility for FREE. So exactly what extra money are you talking about. Otherwise no matter what your rank you are getting equal pay as long as you are the same rank and years in service. So where is the extra money you speek of. The pay scales are DOD so they are the same for all services. Oh yea did you say you ETS'ed or were you Discarged......... Just a question......:idk:

So you were only a sailer for 2 yrs never really getting to understand the Military system. Now I see said the blind man:whistle:

The statement comes from you not knowing the pay system after 4 yrs of service to say married people get paid more! No matter how the money is spent, its extra money for them. They are not required to stay on base so they dont get that money back. Im not saying it is extra pocket money, I know that it goes to living expenses. Living expenses that a single guy doesnt have however. All Im saying is the playing fiel should be leveled. And what do you mean there is more to me getting out after 4 years. :scratch: I was honerably discharged, I had numerous awards and I was even "capped" to E4 in my 3rd year. They dont cap too many people last time I checked. Got my AW wings even. Similiar to SW to you black shoe sailors. My dedication to service was never questioned. And I gurantee I spent more time in school than you did your first 4 years(nearly 2 years). They dont sned screw offs back for more school after being in the fleet for a year. So where statement comes from I have no idea.

Married Soldiers Get BAH. Well with the government contract that is on most if not all post know, MArried soldiers have to pay all of there BAH back regardless of the rank. A single soldier does not get BAH, they live in the barracks for FREE. Then Married soldiers get BAS which is for food. The are required to pay for there meals at the Dining Facilities on post. Single Soldiers don't. They get to eat at the Dinning Facility for FREE. So exactly what extra money are you talking about. Otherwise no matter what your rank you are getting equal pay as long as you are the same rank and years in service. So where is the extra money you speek of. The pay scales are DOD so they are the same for all services. Oh yea did you say you ETS'ed or were you Discarged......... Just a question......:idk: Its still money that they get extra. What about family seperation pay? THey dont have to pay for there food when they are deployed, but there family still gets the BAS and BAH. Its still cost the government money regardless is the soldier realizes the extra money or not. I dont know what ETS'ed means but I was honerably discharded accorrding to my DD214 with an RE1

Its still money that they get extra. What about family seperation pay? THey dont have to pay for there food when they are deployed, but there family still gets the BAS and BAH. Its still cost the government money regardless is the soldier realizes the extra money or not. I dont know what ETS'ed means but I was honerably discharded accorrding to my DD214 with an RE1 means ya enlistment ran up :lol: Estimated Time of Separation.

The statement comes from you not knowing the pay system after 4 yrs of service to say married people get paid more! I was single. I collected my free beer money, thats all I know about the system other than the "allowances" that the married guys got.

means ya enlistment ran up :lol: Estimated Time of Separation. Either way, I choose to get out. They wanted me to stay sending me over to the gulf again with 3 months left of sevice hopeing I would reenlist while deployed

Its still money that they get extra. What about family seperation pay? THey dont have to pay for there food when they are deployed, but there family still gets the BAS and BAH. Its still cost the government money regardless is the soldier realizes the extra money or not. I dont know what ETS'ed means but I was honerably discharded accorrding to my DD214 with an RE1 When You signed up how many years did you sign for. ETS Expiration of Time in Services. Was that your scheduled time to leave. Or did you get put out. What is an RE1. That would be the different service lingo.

Not questioning anybodys service so for me that is a mute point but I know that single sailors get money for Baq and it is even called single BAQ and yes food is BAS or commrats as we called it in the day. I have never heard of paying back BHA or BAQ as we called it. that money went directly to your rent or house payment. never once have i heard of paying it back:idk:

Not questioning anybodys service so for me that is a mute point but I know that single sailors get money for Baq and it is even called single BAQ and yes food is BAS or commrats as we called it in the day. I have never heard of paying back BHA or BAQ as we called it. that money went directly to your rent or house payment. never once have i heard of paying it back:idk: Me either but I aint gonna argue about it :lol:

RE1 RE-ENLISTMENT Eligable(sp) no Significant problems and we call it EAOS End of actice obligated service.

When You signed up how many years did you sign for. ETS Expiration of Time in Services. Was that your scheduled time to leave. Or did you get put out. What is an RE1. That would be the different service lingo. I signed up for 4 years and got out on exactly my 4 year anniversary. RE1 is your reenlisment code. It means that you could have re enlisted if you wanted. I dont remember all the number but I think an RE4 meant you were kicked out. Its been 15 years so I dont remember.

RE1 RE-ENLISTMENT Eligable(sp) no Significant problems and we call it EAOS End of actice obligated service. EAOS yep thats the term.

Correct on re -4 But natl guard will still take you but it takes alot depending on what you got out for.

Not questioning anybodys service so for me that is a mute point but I know that single sailors get money for Baq and it is even called single BAQ and yes food is BAS or commrats as we called it in the day. I have never heard of paying back BHA or BAQ as we called it. that money went directly to your rent or house payment. never once have i heard of paying it back:idk: :iagree: :withstupi Thats what Im talking about.

When I get it for my two AT'S or when the last two times I have been deployed I got BAQ and never paid it back even got BAS.

Paying it backs means that if you stay on post it's automaticaly taken out each month, For rent, you pay the rent with that allowance, which is 95% of the time falls short of what the ent actually is, the reat comes out of pocket, so yeah that money went to your rent or house payment, paying it back it.(just a saying) Not questioning anybodys service so for me that is a mute point but I know that single sailors get money for Baq and it is even called single BAQ and yes food is BAS or commrats as we called it in the day. I have never heard of paying back BHA or BAQ as we called it. that money went directly to your rent or house payment. never once have i heard of paying it back:idk:

So you must have been still getting paid by your civilian job.... When I get it for my two AT'S or when the last two times I have been deployed I got BAQ and never paid it back even got BAS.

Nope. didn't get a cent from them at all.

Paying it backs means that if you stay on post it's automaticaly taken out each month, For rent, you pay the rent with that allowance, which is 95% of the time falls short of what the ent actually is, the reat comes out of pocket, so yeah that money went to your rent or house payment, paying it back it.(just a saying) But the single guy doesnt have to pay rent, he get free housing. And his housing doesnt cost anything near what the housing allowance is for the married guys. So yes they do get more money. So what if they have to pay rent. Is it ok if the single guy got a corvette allowance? All of that money would go to buying the covette so its not like he would see any of that money using your logic.

So when you're at AT, the money you don't get from your civilian job, the allowance ensure that you still can make the rent or house payment while you are away on active duty status( which depending on your rank might be making more money) I'm not mad at ya! Nope. didn't get a cent from them at all.

Do you read what you're saying. the allowance is the same for the rank based the the dependents! and single soldier who are authorized to stay off post (when barracks space is limited)do get an allowance at the single rate which again falls short and the rest comes out of pocket! with his food allowance! this surprises me that you don't know this! But the single guy doesnt have to pay rent, he get free housing. And his housing doesnt cost anything near what the housing allowance is for the married guys. So yes they do get more money. So what if they have to pay rent. Is it ok if the single guy got a corvette allowance? All of that money would go to buying the covette so its not like he would see any of that money using your logic.

Married Soldiers Get BAH. Well with the government contract that is on most if not all post know, MArried soldiers have to pay all of there BAH back regardless of the rank. A single soldier does not get BAH, they live in the barracks for FREE. Then Married soldiers get BAS which is for food. The are required to pay for there meals at the Dining Facilities on post. Single Soldiers don't. They get to eat at the Dinning Facility for FREE. So exactly what extra money are you talking about. Otherwise no matter what your rank you are getting equal pay as long as you are the same rank and years in service. So where is the extra money you speek of. The pay scales are DOD so they are the same for all services. Oh yea did you say you ETS'ed or were you Discarged......... Just a question......:idk: There is two rates-Married BAQ and Single BAQ. I understood the frustration of the Single people on my ships. I had a standing order-Married people would stand watch the first day of a Liberty port in return for the first day returning from a cruise. Other than that,I did not let the single people get hosed because they were single. The pay thing-I could'nt do anything.:idk:

Do you read what you're saying. the allowance is the same for the rank based the the dependents! and single soldier who are authorized to stay off post (when barracks space is limited)do get an allowance at the single rate which again falls short and the rest comes out of pocket! with his food allowance! this surprises me that you don't know this! Single sailors were allowed to stay off base, but they did not get housing allowance for it. It was 100% out of pocket. There is always room on a aircraft carrier when it is not deployed. So living off base was a choice for single guys and they were not given housing allowance. Married guys on the other hand got housing allowance and continued to get housing allowance when deployed. So yes it was costing the govenment extra money for the married guys.

So when you're at AT, the money you don't get from your civilian job, the allowance ensure that you still can make the rent or house payment while you are away on active duty status( which depending on your rank might be making more money) I'm not mad at ya! Exactly what it is for becuase other wise I would lose my house and not be able to feed my family.

15 YREARS AGO you only got BAH if you lived off post. NOW you get it regardless where you stay on or off post. The difference is that if you are on post you have an allotment that is reqquired to pay the housing office all of your BAH no matteryou rank. If you life off post then it is deposited with the rest of your check into your account and you then pay your rent or house. norrally going over your BAH. SO either way you do not see that money. The Army pays for the single soldiers barracks room and water and electricity so there is no need to pay them BAH. The ARMY also pays for the married soldiers living quarters by giving BAH so both are equal.

15 YREARS AGO you only got BAH if you lived off post. NOW you get it regardless where you stay on or off post. The difference is that if you are on post you have an allotment that is reqquired to pay the housing office all of your BAH no matteryou rank. If you life off post then it is deposited with the rest of your check into your account and you then pay your rent or house. norrally going over your BAH. SO either way you do not see that money. The Army pays for the single soldiers barracks room and water and electricity so there is no need to pay them BAH. The ARMY also pays for the married soldiers living quarters by giving BAH so both are equal. So you're telling me it cost the govenment the same to house 1 soldier in the barracks as it does to house a family in base housing? :bs:

Exactly what it is for becuase other wise I would lose my house and not be able to feed my family. Yep we are saying the same thing........

The price of freedom :pat: And I for one thing its ok for the married soldiers to get more $$. In most cases the single soldier will just go blow it on booze n h0s, no not all but most :cheers:

So you're telling me it cost the govenment the same to house 1 soldier in the barracks as it does to house a family in base housing? :bs: No it will always cost more to house a family but it is the single soldiers CHIOCE also to stay single also. But it does not give the married soldier more money in there pocket. Is this about cost the army money or single soldier not making money???? Because the married soldier does not make as much money in pocket as the single soldier does. Period.....

The price of freedom :pat: And I for one thing its ok for the married soldiers to get more $$. In most cases the single soldier will just go blow it on booze n h0s, no not all but most :cheers: And what is wrong with that? Serously. Its a life style choice. In the civilian world you dont get more money because you are married.

No it will always cost more to house a family but it is the single soldiers CHIOCE also to stay single also. But it does not give the married soldier more money in there pocket. Is this about cost the army money or single soldier not making money???? Because the married soldier does not make as much money in pocket as the single soldier does. Period..... By choice. And at the govenmets expense.

And what is wrong with that? Serously. Its a life style choice. In the civilian world you dont get more money because you are married. But you get better tax breaks in the civilian world....the single guy pays more taxes......

But we are not talking civilian. Police make lots of money on side jobs that they dont tax. we do not have side jobs in the military.

SO have you ever been married.... or in love and someone told you you can't be with that person.... Just because your in the military should not mean you can't get married....

But we are not talking civilian. Police make lots of money on side jobs that they dont tax. we do not have side jobs in the military. I know a lot of single soldiers that have side jobs and are able to work almost another 40 hour week making twice what they make in the army.....

And what is wrong with that? Serously. Its a life style choice. In the civilian world you dont get more money because you are married. Its done because the men n women that make up our military volunteer to serve and protect us all. And if you think about married or single neither make nothing compared to their civilian counter parts. And I can tell you from experience a E3 or below w/ a wife n 3 kids dont have no extra money, n a E4 dont if they have any other bills to pay like a car payment etc. And a single soldier can save up a nice wad if they watch how they spend their $$ and still chase h0s n guzzle booze. And I wasnt saying anything is wrong with it, just wasnt for me :lol: After married life I couldnt handle the single life in the military.

But you get better tax breaks in the civilian world....the single guy pays more taxes...... the single people pay more taxes period! wanna pay less taxes, become rich, then the govt will look out for your interest :dthumb: :lol:

But you get better tax breaks in the civilian world....the single guy pays more taxes...... Better tax breaks? :bs: if you make $25k a year in the military, you pay the same taxes and a guy in the civilian world. Oh and how many cicvilian guys get tax free pay? Im not saying they dont deserve it, they most certainly do, but they dont get penalized in taxes because they are in the service.

Its done because the men n women that make up our military volunteer to serve and protect us all. And if you think about married or single neither make nothing compared to their civilian counter parts. And I can tell you from experience a E3 or below w/ a wife n 3 kids dont have no extra money, n a E4 dont if they have any other bills to pay like a car payment etc. And a single soldier can save up a nice wad if they watch how they spend their $$ and still chase h0s n guzzle booze. And I wasnt saying anything is wrong with it, just wasnt for me :lol: After married life I couldnt handle the single life in the military. amen....

Better tax breaks? :bs: if you make $25k a year in the military, you pay the same taxes and a guy in the civilian world. Oh and how many cicvilian guys get tax free pay? Im not saying they dont deserve it, they most certainly do, but they dont get penalized in taxes because they are in the service. Get on one side of the fence or the other. Either they deserve it or they don't. Every civilian that I know that has went to Iraqi has gotten all of it tax free. just as the soldier did. the only difference was the amount the soldier got compared to the civilian doing the same job.

SO have you ever been married.... or in love and someone told you you can't be with that person.... Just because your in the military should not mean you can't get married.... Yes, but I waited until I got out. Why should the governemt pay thet burden? Yes I agree that the military deserves more pay, but I think that the single guys should be compensated the same as the married. Just like in the civilian world. The married guys dont have the pocket money of the single guys but again that is a choice.

Get on one side of the fence or the other. Either they deserve it or they don't. Every civilian that I know that has went to Iraqi has gotten all of it tax free. just as the soldier did. the only difference was the amount the soldier got compared to the civilian doing the same job. Yea I hated daddy bush for not letting us have the $10k a piece Saudi Arabia or Kuwait offered up. But I understood the why tho, still woulda been nice tho :lol:

Hell I agree with PG, that is why I am in the civilian world full and reserves part time. I make 60+k a year. I couldnt even srcatch that in active even with added bennies. Not bad for McD's truck driver.

They point is they are to some degree but the base needs to be higher no matter what.

Get on one side of the fence or the other. Either they deserve it or they don't. Every civilian that I know that has went to Iraqi has gotten all of it tax free. just as the soldier did. the only difference was the amount the soldier got compared to the civilian doing the same job. Apples to Oranges. Im not disagreeing with you that they should be paid more. That has nothing to do with taxes though. What you pay in taxes is based on taxable income. There are no tax breaks depending on what job you do, military or civilian.

Its done because the men n women that make up our military volunteer to serve and protect us all. And if you think about married or single neither make nothing compared to their civilian counter parts. And I can tell you from experience a E3 or below w/ a wife n 3 kids dont have no extra money, n a E4 dont if they have any other bills to pay like a car payment etc. And a single soldier can save up a nice wad if they watch how they spend their $$ and still chase h0s n guzzle booze. And I wasnt saying anything is wrong with it, just wasnt for me :lol: After married life I couldnt handle the single life in the military. If its a struggle, then dont get married, its plain and simple. Would you want to support a family making minimum wage? So why do it in the military?

I think they should be paid more than a Mc Donalds yearly salary. And I know 18-20yeaqr olds making 30+k working in the warehouses.

well if that is the logic, then our parents/ grandparents would not have gotten married during the deprresion and we wouldn't be here. sometimes the stuggles make the relationship last.

I think they should be paid more than a Mc Donalds yearly salary. And I know 18-20yeaqr olds making 30+k working in the warehouses. I know 22yo making 65K+, I know, I hire them. We dont pay them more because they are married though.

I know 22yo making 65K+, I know, I hire them. We dont pay them more because they are married though. Civilians make more period. I've know some to work side by side with the military doing teh exact same job and make almost dbl what the soldier was. And if you met your wife while you was in the military would you not have gotten married and risked loosing her?

well if that is the logic, then our parents/ grandparents would not have gotten married during the deprresion and we wouldn't be here. sometimes the stuggles make the relationship last. 2 people living together is cheaper than 2 people living apart so is doesnt mattrer what era you are talking about.

Civilians make more period. I've know some to work side by side with the military doing teh exact same job and make almost dbl what the soldier was. And if you met your wife while you was in the military would you not have gotten married and risked loosing her? Oh I know they do, and thats why Im saying they need to be paid more.

I almost did but knew I didnt want kids while i was in becuase i would never be around.of course this ain't been much better either. youngest was born 30 days after I got home and was 1 when i left for a year.

Hell I agree with PG, that is why I am in the civilian world full and reserves part time. I make 60+k a year. I couldnt even srcatch that in active even with added bennies. Not bad for McD's truck driver. I ain't mad ya!

2 people living together is cheaper than 2 people living apart so is doesnt mattrer what era you are talking about. This statement is FALSE bro. I'm single (divorced) and I am swimming in money compared to when I had to feed a family. I think one point that has not been mentioned about married soldiers getting more money is we did not have the option of living on base. HAD TO LIVE OFF BASE- waiting on a base housing list... there fore we had to rent/buy a home- At Nellis AFB you couldn't dream about getting base housing untill E4 (waiting list took approx 3 yrs)... which in my opinion is ass backwards- the lower ranking soldiers need base housing much more then E4 and above. :2cents:

I know 22yo making 65K+, I know, I hire them. We dont pay them more because they are married though. Need any operations managers? Hire me!!!

This statement is FALSE bro. I'm single (divorced) and I am swimming in money compared to when I had to feed a family. I think one point that has not been mentioned about married soldiers getting more money is we did not have the option of living on base. HAD TO LIVE OFF BASE- waiting on a base housing list... there fore we had to rent/buy a home- At Nellis AFB you couldn't dream about getting base housing untill E4 (waiting list took approx 3 yrs)... which in my opinion is ass backwards- the lower ranking soldiers need base housing much more then E4 and above. :2cents: I don't know **** about the military because I am not in it, but wives are expensive as hell. I love her to death but one hair appointment costs like two hundred dollars and she has to have it because she is going to be on tv. I spend fifty bucks and its like what was that fifty dollars for and I am like I went to book store bought some magazines and treated myself to barbecue chill out I like **** too......:nonod: Its funny though life is what we choose and I would not trade it for the world.....:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: No kids by the way I nixed that who knows how bankrupt we would be then....:bonk:

ok... i HAVE to chime in on this one... RIDER stop :jacked: .... thats not even what this post is about... and as far as the pay difference between single and married?? the majority of the time, it's only a few hundred dollars a month... if you look up the bah charts for most areas, single is only behind married rate like 2-300 dollars (which isnt anything when your looking at a one bedroom compared to a 2 or 3 bedroom place) the married guy is still going to be a lil more broke then the single guy... i just got one question... did u have some of the married guys flaunting alot of money in front of your face when you were in or something?? i mean c'mon bro, that was 15 years ago... how much do u think has changed since then?? i'm guessing alot... just sounds like you've got a vendetta against anyone who's married in the military... and do u want to know the official reason they make more?? i'll break it down for you, so u can understand... if a married soldier makes the same exact pay as a single one, then that makes him less able to take care of his family, which can add more stress/kill his morale, which in turn can affect his job performance.... but as far as that part of it goes, i'm done with that whole argument, GET OVER IT ALREADY... now back to the original post... should military/police make more?? yes... do i ever see it happening (besides our yearly 3% raise)?? no... ask anyone in the military if they joined for the money, and they will quickly tell u to go f@ck urself... its just not there, and thats not why most of us joined... i mean, wow.... u'll give me 35k a year to go get shot at, have some of my friends killed, work somewhere around a normal 60-70 hour week, and be able to see my family maybe 1 or 2 months out of the year??? O WHERE DO I SIGN?? lol... wise up and realize that while, u can make a comftorable living in the military (once u make a high enough grade), if you join the military soley for the money, then your just plain dumb... cuz you aint gonna make it.... you have to join for the right reasons.... sorry for the rant... just my .02

ok... i HAVE to chime in on this one... RIDER stop :jacked: .... thats not even what this post is about... and as far as the pay difference between single and married?? the majority of the time, it's only a few hundred dollars a month... if you look up the bah charts for most areas, single is only behind married rate like 2-300 dollars (which isnt anything when your looking at a one bedroom compared to a 2 or 3 bedroom place) the married guy is still going to be a lil more broke then the single guy... i just got one question... did u have some of the married guys flaunting alot of money in front of your face when you were in or something?? i mean c'mon bro, that was 15 years ago... how much do u think has changed since then?? i'm guessing alot... just sounds like you've got a vendetta against anyone who's married in the military... and do u want to know the official reason they make more?? i'll break it down for you, so u can understand... if a married soldier makes the same exact pay as a single one, then that makes him less able to take care of his family, which can add more stress/kill his morale, which in turn can affect his job performance.... but as far as that part of it goes, i'm done with that whole argument, GET OVER IT ALREADY... now back to the original post... should military/police make more?? yes... do i ever see it happening (besides our yearly 3% raise)?? no... ask anyone in the military if they joined for the money, and they will quickly tell u to go f@ck urself... its just not there, and thats not why most of us joined... i mean, wow.... u'll give me 35k a year to go get shot at, have some of my friends killed, work somewhere around a normal 60-70 hour week, and be able to see my family maybe 1 or 2 months out of the year??? O WHERE DO I SIGN?? lol... wise up and realize that while, u can make a comftorable living in the military (once u make a high enough grade), if you join the military soley for the money, then your just plain dumb... cuz you aint gonna make it.... you have to join for the right reasons.... sorry for the rant... just my .02 :iagree: :cheers:

This statement is FALSE bro. I'm single (divorced) and I am swimming in money compared to when I had to feed a family. I think one point that has not been mentioned about married soldiers getting more money is we did not have the option of living on base. HAD TO LIVE OFF BASE- waiting on a base housing list... there fore we had to rent/buy a home- At Nellis AFB you couldn't dream about getting base housing untill E4 (waiting list took approx 3 yrs)... which in my opinion is ass backwards- the lower ranking soldiers need base housing much more then E4 and above. :2cents: Yeah but now all of your income is not going to supporting a family. You took my comment out of context. Of cousre you have more money now, but if you were paying 100 % of your ex spouses living expenses it would be cheaper for ou if she lived with you.

Need any operations managers? Hire me!!! Got a degree in engineering? :lol:

ok... i HAVE to chime in on this one... RIDER stop :jacked: .... thats not even what this post is about... and as far as the pay difference between single and married?? the majority of the time, it's only a few hundred dollars a month... if you look up the bah charts for most areas, single is only behind married rate like 2-300 dollars (which isnt anything when your looking at a one bedroom compared to a 2 or 3 bedroom place) the married guy is still going to be a lil more broke then the single guy... i just got one question... did u have some of the married guys flaunting alot of money in front of your face when you were in or something?? i mean c'mon bro, that was 15 years ago... how much do u think has changed since then?? i'm guessing alot... just sounds like you've got a vendetta against anyone who's married in the military... and do u want to know the official reason they make more?? i'll break it down for you, so u can understand... if a married soldier makes the same exact pay as a single one, then that makes him less able to take care of his family, which can add more stress/kill his morale, which in turn can affect his job performance.... but as far as that part of it goes, i'm done with that whole argument, GET OVER IT ALREADY... now back to the original post... should military/police make more?? yes... do i ever see it happening (besides our yearly 3% raise)?? no... ask anyone in the military if they joined for the money, and they will quickly tell u to go f@ck urself... its just not there, and thats not why most of us joined... i mean, wow.... u'll give me 35k a year to go get shot at, have some of my friends killed, work somewhere around a normal 60-70 hour week, and be able to see my family maybe 1 or 2 months out of the year??? O WHERE DO I SIGN?? lol... wise up and realize that while, u can make a comftorable living in the military (once u make a high enough grade), if you join the military soley for the money, then your just plain dumb... cuz you aint gonna make it.... you have to join for the right reasons.... sorry for the rant... just my .02 Take your own advice then and STFU.

Got a degree in engineering? :lol: BS in Technical Management and a AS in Electronics... Not exactly engineering, but I am great at managing people.:cheers:

Either way, they both should get respect they deserve. I can believe anything, provided that it is quite incredible. Oscar Wilde

Either way, they both should get respect they deserve. :iagree:

Take your own advice then and STFU. great argument.... :withstupi .... i'm not the one :whore: this thread with some personal vendetta, that has NOTHING to do with me... but once again, great argument (maybe in a couple years u can move up to something a second grader wouldnt say:whistle: )

ok... i HAVE to chime in on this one... RIDER stop :jacked: .... thats not even what this post is about... and as far as the pay difference between single and married?? the majority of the time, it's only a few hundred dollars a month... if you look up the bah charts for most areas, single is only behind married rate like 2-300 dollars (which isnt anything when your looking at a one bedroom compared to a 2 or 3 bedroom place) the married guy is still going to be a lil more broke then the single guy... i just got one question... did u have some of the married guys flaunting alot of money in front of your face when you were in or something?? i mean c'mon bro, that was 15 years ago... how much do u think has changed since then?? i'm guessing alot... just sounds like you've got a vendetta against anyone who's married in the military... and do u want to know the official reason they make more?? i'll break it down for you, so u can understand... if a married soldier makes the same exact pay as a single one, then that makes him less able to take care of his family, which can add more stress/kill his morale, which in turn can affect his job performance.... but as far as that part of it goes, i'm done with that whole argument, GET OVER IT ALREADY... now back to the original post... should military/police make more?? yes... do i ever see it happening (besides our yearly 3% raise)?? no... ask anyone in the military if they joined for the money, and they will quickly tell u to go f@ck urself... its just not there, and thats not why most of us joined... i mean, wow.... u'll give me 35k a year to go get shot at, have some of my friends killed, work somewhere around a normal 60-70 hour week, and be able to see my family maybe 1 or 2 months out of the year??? O WHERE DO I SIGN?? lol... wise up and realize that while, u can make a comftorable living in the military (once u make a high enough grade), if you join the military soley for the money, then your just plain dumb... cuz you aint gonna make it.... you have to join for the right reasons.... sorry for the rant... just my .02 :iagree: Take your own advice then and STFU. Come on are you serious?!?!!? Can we be a lilttle more 2nd grade I mean really... I have read this entire thread and I all I can get from it is that YOU dropped out after YOU got your FREE education ( does that mean you got EXTRA pay for school... oh no thats right you used the GI bill for that, which I do belive is GOVERNMENT funded ) ( I work for a college, I know all about it) All I see is a guy that didn't want to have student loans and there for joined the service for the benies... OH wait thats right, guys that get married while in service are dumb A's cause thats what they did to ensure their child/ wife will be taken care of if something were to happen to him/her. You wanna compare apples to oranges? lets think of it this way.. if you had a family to support you would choose the job with the better benies... not the job with crappy benies... military ='s good benies... so get off your high 4 year hose I have know people that have been in the military for a VERY long time and I didn't see them run after their first 4 years... they are still in.. and some have been to Iraq a few times... soooo like I said get off your 4 year high horse. I am VERY pro military, and pro Justice (I come from a long line of service in both) I am joining the ranks soon also, as in ranks I am talking about Justice side, not military.. to me it takes a very stong willed to be in the military, and although I am, military is not for me.. however being a officer is. Oh BTW I think they both should be paid higher then they are :) Thanks & and have a good day! :)

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What the hell is going on here and why is this guys name Airforce Ranger. Gyarrr pogue man strikes again

What the hell is going on here and why is this guys name Airforce Ranger. Gyarrr pogue man strikes again :leaving: :lol:

:scratch: I wouldnt call that very well off. 80-85K a year in San Fran is sh*t! thats more than engineers make right out of college!

pay me $85k a year n you wont hear me beotchin one iotta :dthumb:

pay me $85k a year n you wont hear me beotchin one iotta :dthumb: Give me half that and I will be very happy.....:dthumb:

What the hell is going on here and why is this guys name Airforce Ranger. Gyarrr pogue man strikes again ur just a jack a$$ dude :whistle:

Come on are you serious?!?!!? Can we be a lilttle more 2nd grade I mean really... I have read this entire thread and I all I can get from it is that YOU dropped out after YOU got your FREE education ( does that mean you got EXTRA pay for school... oh no thats right you used the GI bill for that, which I do belive is GOVERNMENT funded ) ( I work for a college, I know all about it) All I see is a guy that didn't want to have student loans and there for joined the service for the benies... OH wait thats right, guys that get married while in service are dumb A's cause thats what they did to ensure their child/ wife will be taken care of if something were to happen to him/her. You wanna compare apples to oranges? lets think of it this way.. if you had a family to support you would choose the job with the better benies... not the job with crappy benies... military ='s good benies... so get off your high 4 year hose I have know people that have been in the military for a VERY long time and I didn't see them run after their first 4 years... they are still in.. and some have been to Iraq a few times... soooo like I said get off your 4 year high horse. I am VERY pro military, and pro Justice (I come from a long line of service in both) I am joining the ranks soon also, as in ranks I am talking about Justice side, not military.. to me it takes a very stong willed to be in the military, and although I am, military is not for me.. however being a officer is. Oh BTW I think they both should be paid higher then they are :) Thanks & and have a good day! :) Are you smoking crack? The GI bill is avaialbe to everyone in the military ragardless of your marital status, so you cant use that as an argument. Go back to my first post in this thread. My point was that the military pay is not high enough to support a family so they add allowances to help them out. Im not saying that is wrong in anyway. Damn I think the military is severly under paid. But my point is that the single guys should make every bit as much as the married guys of the same pay grade. I never once said that the married guys shouldnt get that money. I just think the single guys should be entitled too. Thats all, Im not putting anyone down. I just think it should be equal pay for equal work. Regarless if they actually see more money or not, it still costs the govenment more money to support a family than a single soldier.