Wow! Buell 1125r first ride

Wow, looks very nice. That motor looks like a beast. Finally Erik Buell got to design his own motor, I think this will be a new era for Buell. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/videos/2007/august/aug2307buell1125rfirstride/?&R=EPI-93939

good find. not bad, wish they went more in depth with the bike and had some of the riders comment about the ride. :idk: the exhaust note sounded weak to me.

the bikes have to be fully muffled at laguna seca. no louder than 95dB's except for a handful of races during the season.

the bikes have to be fully muffled at laguna seca. no louder than 95dB's except for a handful of races during the season. The many reasons california is gay and the hippies made it that way.

Wow, looks very nice. That motor looks like a beast. Finally Erik Buell got to design his own motor, I think this will be a new era for Buell. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/videos/2007/august/aug2307buell1125rfirstride/?&R=EPI-93939 Rotax of Austria builds the engines, not Buell. Same company that makes Aprilia's engines, which is a good thing.

This is the only twin I'd buy.

Rotax of Austria builds the engines, not Buell. Same company that makes Aprilia's engines, which is a good thing. True...but it's COMPLETELY Buell designed from the Ground up. Everything on that engine is new and made for Buell. And...I signed up to test ride on at Pocono. Hopefully I get a slot.

I've never ridden a Buell...may have to sometime just because.:dthumb:

This is the only twin I'd buy. You wouldnt Buy a Duc or an Aprilia or even and RC51? :skep:

I've never ridden a Buell...may have to sometime just because.:dthumb: :withstupi :wink: I haven't ridden with a Buell owner..but if I had my pick, that would definately be the ONE!

:withstupi :wink: I haven't ridden a Buell owner..but if I had my pick, that would definately be the ONE! :yikes: :yikes: OSP owns a Buell.

:yikes: :yikes: OSP owns a Buell. Yea and I think for me that's why Im having "issues" on hookin up. LOL. :hug: to U OSP.

I'm curious as to the exhaust design. Is it routed the way it is out of function, or is ole Erik attempting to make the Rotax engine look like the HD engine at first glance? Engineering or marketing? Are prospective Buell buyers going to be turned off by the Austrian engine?

True...but it's COMPLETELY Buell designed from the Ground up. Everything on that engine is new and made for Buell. The Rotax press release says the engine was exclusively developed and produced by Rotax BRP for Buell. Am I confusing "design" and "developed"? Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying pass judgement either way, just curious as to the origin of the engine. BRP-ROTAX becomes supplier of a new on-road engine for BUELL MOTORCYCLE Company a 1125cc DOHC V-Twin, liquid-cooled powertrain, exclusively developed and produced by BRP-Rotax for Buell Gunskirchen, Austria, July 9, 2007 – BRP-Rotax, the Austrian affiliate of BRP, is pleased to announce the production start of a new 1125cc motorcycle engine. The new engine, exclusively developed for Buell, will be produced by BRP-Rotax in Gunskirchen, Austria. "BRP-Rotax is leading in developing and producing high performance engines destined to a wide range of recreational markets," said Gerd Ohrnberger, vice-president and general manager, BRP-Rotax. "We welcome the opportunity to team up with Buell on this market-leading motorcycle" he concluded. Buell joins BRP-Rotax's well-renown list of clients like BMW and Aprilia.

You wouldnt Buy a Duc or an Aprilia or even and RC51? :skep: You got it im a I-4 fan:dthumb: The only only reasons i would get this one is because its made in america and its competitive with the rest of the world. Ive rode many other sport twins including a 999r duc. They're just not for me. I like the feel and sounds of I-4's much more. That would be why I own a I-4 bike. I dont get your point really are we all supposed to like everything and not have a preference?

The Rotax press release says the engine was exclusively developed and produced by Rotax BRP for Buell. Am I confusing "design" and "developed"? Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying pass judgement either way, just curious as to the origin of the engine. BRP-ROTAX becomes supplier of a new on-road engine for BUELL MOTORCYCLE Company a 1125cc DOHC V-Twin, liquid-cooled powertrain, exclusively developed and produced by BRP-Rotax for Buell Gunskirchen, Austria, July 9, 2007 – BRP-Rotax, the Austrian affiliate of BRP, is pleased to announce the production start of a new 1125cc motorcycle engine. The new engine, exclusively developed for Buell, will be produced by BRP-Rotax in Gunskirchen, Austria. "BRP-Rotax is leading in developing and producing high performance engines destined to a wide range of recreational markets," said Gerd Ohrnberger, vice-president and general manager, BRP-Rotax. "We welcome the opportunity to team up with Buell on this market-leading motorcycle" he concluded. Buell joins BRP-Rotax's well-renown list of clients like BMW and Aprilia. Find the interview with the creator of buell on the new bike you will understand then. There is a thread on it somewhere but im to lazy to look for it right now.

You got it im a I-4 fan:dthumb: The only only reasons i would get this one is because its made in america and its competitive with the rest of the world. Ive rode many other sport twins including a 999r duc. They're just not for me. I like the feel and sounds of I-4's much more. That would be why I own a I-4 bike. I dont get your point really are we all supposed to like everything and not have a preference? You can have a preference, I just dont see what is so special about this engine compared to a 1098 or the RSV engine. :idk:

You can have a preference, I just dont see what is so special about this engine compared to a 1098 or the RSV engine. :idk: :scratch:

You got it im a I-4 fan:dthumb: The only only reasons i would get this one is because its made in america and its competitive with the rest of the world. Ive rode many other sport twins including a 999r duc. They're just not for me. I like the feel and sounds of I-4's much more. That would be why I own a I-4 bike. I dont get your point really are we all supposed to like everything and not have a preference? Not arguing with you, but the engine is made in australia. And your bike is made in japan. I don't get it :scratch:

Not arguing with you, but the engine is made in australia. And your bike is made in japan. I don't get it :scratch: You missed my point

I would only by a v-twin if it was offered by an american sportbike manufacturer and it was on the same level as the rest of the world. Its still an american bike. I own a Japanese bike because they are best the I-4 bikes out their and the best bang for the buck performance wise

Rotax of Austria builds the engines, not Buell. Same company that makes Aprilia's engines, which is a good thing. Rotax built, but Erik Buell designed... its his baby and he had to outsource to Rotax to build it.

Rotax built, but Erik Buell designed... its his baby and he had to outsource to Rotax to build it. Exactly

I just dont see the appeal of that engine. Looking at performance numbers the 1098 kicks its ass six ways from sunday.

Yeah but, the 1098 only goes 100 miles before it breaks :D And the good part is that it still has the rest of the goodies the Buell has to make it handle awesome, but with a motor with more power now. The only complaint anyone can ever come up with on the Buells is lack of power from the air cooled sportster motor, now they have a liquid cooled twin that puts out quite a bit more power.

Yeah but, the 1098 only goes 100 miles before it breaks :D And the good part is that it still has the rest of the goodies the Buell has to make it handle awesome, but with a motor with more power now. The only complaint anyone can ever come up with on the Buells is lack of power from the air cooled sportster motor, now they have a liquid cooled twin that puts out quite a bit more power. Oh I agree its an improvement over the 1203cc engine. Its got about 40 more hp and about the same torque. Im just not sold yet. Anyone want to let me ride theirs? :whistle:

I'd like to get a ride on one too when they come out. We will have to keep our eyes open for demo days.

I just dont see the appeal of that engine. Looking at performance numbers the 1098 kicks its ass six ways from sunday. And the 1098 costs a billion dollars.

And the 1098 costs a billion dollars. $3700 more, pfft pocket change and its worth every penny.

$3700 more, pfft pocket change and its worth every penny. That ain't pocket change to me, son.

That ain't pocket change to me, son. In the grand scheme of what you spend on a bike, it aint that much more.

I'd like to get a ride on one too when they come out. We will have to keep our eyes open for demo days. Dealer about 70 miles from me is having a big 2008 Model Year open house...nothing about demo rides though:tt: In the grand scheme of what you spend on a bike, it aint that much more. :yikes: Yeah it is! Since I got mine, I've put around $100 in oil and chain wax into it. No other costs except insurance. And $9 for a full tank beats the hell out of $50 that might fill the tank. I figure if I ride to work 3 days a week for a month, I recoup insurance payment for the month. And I'm only making (insurance) payments for 4 months (no payments on the bike).

i really dont give a crap about the 1098.

i really dont give a crap about the 1098. I think you made that clear in your previous posts. :lol:

I think you made that clear in your previous posts. :lol: :lol:

i really dont give a crap about the 1098. But it's friggin' nassssssty, just for the record.

In the grand scheme of what you spend on a bike, it aint that much more. I beg to differ. Dont get me wrong...if I had the dime I'd buy a duc...it damn sure wouldn't be a 1098...but I dont have that coin. The Buell is more in my reach.

And...I signed up to test ride on at Pocono. Hopefully I get a slot. hey marko, where can i get info on this? very interested.

The other ‘vibe’ is less of a good thing. The new engine, though with enough poke to match RSVs and the like (it’s nearly 50% more powerful than any previous Buell) is actually a fairly sane and sensible beast, yet with more than enough instant urge when you need it. Highlight? Gorgeously slick gearchange that’s a million miles more advanced than previous Buell efforts. Lowlights? More than a few vibes through the bars at high revs and a slightly fluffy delivery between three and 4000rpm, both of which, Buell says, will be fixed on production models. there is some more info and some more... http://www.roadracerx.com/article.php?article_id=479 an interesting part of this: But look closely and you’ll note that the belt needs no adjustment, so the rear axle is fixed. On this bike, the wheelbase is not just an approximation. And since the axle doesn’t need to move, the rear brake caliper can be attached directly to the swingarm. That saves the weight and complexity of a sliding brake carrier. It should make changing rear wheels easier and (subject to manufacturing QC) ensure that the wheel alignment is always spot-on, too.

I cant wait to see the 1125R in person. from what I've already seen, its gonna be a WICKED bike. and every buell lover will probably think its super sweet looking. personally, I REALLY REALLY REALLY want one, like I'd sell my soul to satan and spend 50 years in hell for one.

I just dont see the appeal of that engine. Looking at performance numbers the 1098 kicks its ass six ways from sunday. Bikes don't perform according to dyno charts and statistics:wink: We shall see when the SuperBuell is becoming available and getting tested. Niall McKenzie, ex-British racer, helped tested the mules and he said that its mid-range is greater than the 1098. We shall see. As far as the Japanese makes the best I-4 sportbikes, I think that MV Agusta might want to dispute that notion.:idk: The best AFFORDABLE, yes. The BEST, no.

Bikes don't perform according to dyno charts and statistics:wink: We shall see when the SuperBuell is becoming available and getting tested. Niall McKenzie, ex-British racer, helped tested the mules and he said that its mid-range is greater than the 1098. We shall see. As far as the Japanese makes the best I-4 sportbikes, I think that MV Agusta might want to dispute that notion.:idk: The best AFFORDABLE, yes. The BEST, no. I've ridden a MV and it's a great bike but but to be the best you have to excel in ALL areas and I have to agree the Japs make the best I4 bikes period. Seriously,if Suzuki produced a $20-100,000 sportbike,it would kick MVs azz from here to eternity!!! Hell,it'd probably be made totally from titanium and carbon fiber and be factory equiped with turbo for the money that MV wants for their "production" bike that is only marginally faster than a GSXR1000.

hey marko, where can i get info on this? very interested. You can't. It's completely booked solid. It's a trackday sponsored by Buell....so if you'd like to see some details...buell.com

I've ridden a MV and it's a great bike but but to be the best you have to excel in ALL areas and I have to agree the Japs make the best I4 bikes period. Seriously,if Suzuki produced a $20-100,000 sportbike,it would kick MVs azz from here to eternity!!! Hell,it'd probably be made totally from titanium and carbon fiber and be factory equiped with turbo for the money that MV wants for their "production" bike that is only marginally faster than a GSXR1000. The best sport bike is the one that turns in the best times on the race track under different peoples. This year MV Agusta won the Master Bike shootout. As far as Suzuki were to produce a $20,000 sport bike that would kick MV's ass, I don't know about that. But I do know that the $21,000 Yamaha R1 Limited Edition (Marchessini wheels, Brembo brakes, Ohlins front & rear - therefore had no excuses) got schooled by the Ducati 999S and the MV Agusta F4 during one of the tests by Cycle World last year. That just to show you that components alone don't mean squat.:wink: And how do you guys explain that the Aprilia RSV Factory won the 2006 Master Bike competition while running approximately 40-50 HP under the mighty Japanese liter I-4 bikes? PS A sport bike doesn't have to excel in ALL areas. It just has to excel at what it does best which is going extremely fast on the track. If you want a bike that excels in ALL areas, then you need something like an adventure bike made by KTM.

You can't. It's completely booked solid. It's a trackday sponsored by Buell....so if you'd like to see some details...buell.com oh well, thanks anyway. did you get a slot?

PS A sport bike doesn't have to excel in ALL areas. It just has to excel at what it does best which is going extremely fast on the track. If you want a bike that excels in ALL areas, then you need something like an adventure bike made by KTM. hmmmmm. :iagree: makes ya think.

oh well, thanks anyway. did you get a slot? I have a slot at the track day. They are letting everyone who signed up demo the 08 models...except the 1125. Only a few people get to ride that. I won't know if I got that slot for a while yet.

hmmmmm. :iagree: makes ya think. The Japanese isn't stupid. They know what they're doing. They make sport bikes that go like stinks, handle like they're on rails AND make them more or less "usable" as an all-arounder THEN sell them at a decent price. That's why the Jap Big Four are doing well and the Italian bikes are on the brink of Chapter 11 every other year. On the other hand, a compromised motorbike isn't ever going to be a classic or desirable bike. That's the mentality difference between the Europeans and the Japanese. The Europeans have an idea of what a motorcycle should be according to its type then make the motorcycle to do the best that it does and be damned everything else. The Japanese makes a product that's agreeable for everybody.

I'm curious as to the exhaust design. Is it routed the way it is out of function, or is ole Erik attempting to make the Rotax engine look like the HD engine at first glance? Engineering or marketing? Are prospective Buell buyers going to be turned off by the Austrian engine? It's pure function yo. He is quoted in my Fuell magazine as saying that he was not abandoning the Trilogy of Tech as a way designing bikes... It appears as though those pipes serve as a jack point like the XB's... The bike is not meant to do anything, but fill the market niche for an American superbike... Buell owners are excited and I would guess this will turn more on to the brand... Like TW. As far who designed the engine, Erik is quote in Fuell as saying that it was nice to not have to design around an engine and that Buell engineers worked hard on the engine design... I'm guessing a joint collabaration. Fluck me the track day is sold out...:cursin:

The Japanese isn't stupid. They know what they're doing. They make sport bikes that go like stinks, handle like they're on rails AND make them more or less "usable" as an all-arounder THEN sell them at a decent price. That's why the Jap Big Four are doing well and the Italian bikes are on the brink of Chapter 11 every other year. On the other hand, a compromised motorbike isn't ever going to be a classic or desirable bike. That's the mentality difference between the Europeans and the Japanese. The Europeans have an idea of what a motorcycle should be according to its type then make the motorcycle to do the best that it does and be damned everything else. The Japanese makes a product that's agreeable for everybody. Ok,but the MV I was thinking of is the 312 version which is alot more than $21,000. Plus,judging a bikes worth using Masterbike which is a European contest where most of the riders are Europeans,typically staged on a European circuit...hmmmm..how unusual that a European brand wins. Let's see a Masterbike staged at Suzuka with all Japanese riders and see what happens.Not to mention that the Italian models are almost never the standard models but the "R" or "Factory" models. If the Italian bikes are so fast and perfect for the track, show me the Superstock/supersport championships. Where are the endurance championships? The only time they can win is if the rules are so stacked in their favor that it's almost embarassing!(like WSB). In pretty much all the other production based championships I can think of, inline fours are mopping the floor with them. In fact,isn't Ducati trying to increase their cc limit to 1200cc or they're threatening to quit WSB? They're already allowed a lighter bike now they want this. To me the rules should be the same accross the board and if your engine configeration can't cut it then you should rethink YOUR setup. That would be like forcing Kenyans to carry 50lb back packs during races to make it more fair to the slower runners.

The best sport bike is the one that turns in the best times on the race track under different peoples. This year MV Agusta won the Master Bike shootout. As far as Suzuki were to produce a $20,000 sport bike that would kick MV's ass, I don't know about that. But I do know that the $21,000 Yamaha R1 Limited Edition (Marchessini wheels, Brembo brakes, Ohlins front & rear - therefore had no excuses) got schooled by the Ducati 999S and the MV Agusta F4 during one of the tests by Cycle World last year. That just to show you that components alone don't mean squat.:wink: And how do you guys explain that the Aprilia RSV Factory won the 2006 Master Bike competition while running approximately 40-50 HP under the mighty Japanese liter I-4 bikes? PS A sport bike doesn't have to excel in ALL areas. It just has to excel at what it does best which is going extremely fast on the track. If you want a bike that excels in ALL areas, then you need something like an adventure bike made by KTM. I apologize,I didn't meanALL areas like dirt roads and cruising or whatnot. I meant all areas that a sportbike should excel in; power,handling,brakes,etc. You mentioned that a sportbike should excel at going fast on the track,so show me the factory based championships....You are basing your opinions on the opinions of others plus a track day and I'm saying show me the race results!

Actually Honda and Yamaha have been dominationg WSBK this year and last. And you cant really judge by AMA superbike either, Suzuki is the only one in ama with a full factory effort.

It's pure function yo. He is quoted in my Fuell magazine as saying that he was not abandoning the Trilogy of Tech as a way designing bikes... It appears as though those pipes serve as a jack point like the XB's... The bike is not meant to do anything, but fill the market niche for an American superbike... Buell owners are excited and I would guess this will turn more on to the brand... Like TW. As far who designed the engine, Erik is quote in Fuell as saying that it was nice to not have to design around an engine and that Buell engineers worked hard on the engine design... I'm guessing a joint collabaration. Fluck me the track day is sold out...:cursin: :dthumb: Sweet. I must say, with a modern powerplant, the Buell just moved up in my book. Can't wait for someone to give a ride report.

:dthumb: Can't wait for someone to give a ride report. yup! same here.

Actually Honda and Yamaha have been dominationg WSBK this year and last. And you cant really judge by AMA superbike either, Suzuki is the only one in ama with a full factory effort. :yikes: What? You're saying that for the last 10 years or so Suzuki is the only brand with a full factory team? I realize that alot of the other factories have basically given up on the AMA because they are tired of getting spanked! BTW the Suzuki based privateer teams are consistantly beating the other factories as well so explain that. If Ducatis,MVs and Aprillias are so hot why is over 80% of the superstock grid made up of Suzukis? Those guys are privateers and can ride any brand they want,why Suzuki? Truth is that a number of privateers probably do show up on V-twins,MVs,etc and can't qualify within 118% and have to go home with their exotic,purpose built track bikes tails between their legs! I realize that Suzuki isn't dominating WSB this year but if you'll refer back to the original arguement,you'll see that the debate is between Japanese bikes VS European brands,so Honda and Yamaha are still a point for me! Lastly,at the risk of sounding like a braggart,I've never met a guy on a Ducati I couldn't smoke and just last weekend I rode with some guy on a RSV Mille who claimed to have raced Wera for 13 years and my old,tired azz absolutely left him for dead!

:yikes: What? You're saying that for the last 10 years or so Suzuki is the only brand with a full factory team? I realize that alot of the other factories have basically given up on the AMA because they are tired of getting spanked! BTW the Suzuki based privateer teams are consistantly beating the other factories as well so explain that. If Ducatis,MVs and Aprillias are so hot why is over 80% of the superstock grid made up of Suzukis? Those guys are privateers and can ride any brand they want,why Suzuki? Truth is that a number of privateers probably do show up on V-twins,MVs,etc and can't qualify within 118% and have to go home with their exotic,purpose built track bikes tails between their legs! I realize that Suzuki isn't dominating WSB this year but if you'll refer back to the original arguement,you'll see that the debate is between Japanese bikes VS European brands,so Honda and Yamaha are still a point for me! Lastly,at the risk of sounding like a braggart,I've never met a guy on a Ducati I couldn't smoke and just last weekend I rode with some guy on a RSV Mille who claimed to have raced Wera for 13 years and my old,tired azz absolutely left him for dead! Yea with those odds they are bound to win :lol: I hate to say it a gixxer isnt all its cracked up to be. Nice bikes but they aint no better than the others out by no means. And then theres that lil frame breakage problem :lol::cheers: :dthumb: :twfrox:

Yea with those odds they are bound to win :lol: I hate to say it a gixxer isnt all its cracked up to be. Nice bikes but they aint no better than the others out by no means. And then theres that lil frame breakage problem :lol::cheers: :dthumb: :twfrox: Good game :lol:

Ok,but the MV I was thinking of is the 312 version which is alot more than $21,000. Plus,judging a bikes worth using Masterbike which is a European contest where most of the riders are Europeans,typically staged on a European circuit...hmmmm..how unusual that a European brand wins. Let's see a Masterbike staged at Suzuka with all Japanese riders and see what happens.Not to mention that the Italian models are almost never the standard models but the "R" or "Factory" models. If the Italian bikes are so fast and perfect for the track, show me the Superstock/supersport championships. Where are the endurance championships? The only time they can win is if the rules are so stacked in their favor that it's almost embarassing!(like WSB). In pretty much all the other production based championships I can think of, inline fours are mopping the floor with them. In fact,isn't Ducati trying to increase their cc limit to 1200cc or they're threatening to quit WSB? They're already allowed a lighter bike now they want this. To me the rules should be the same accross the board and if your engine configeration can't cut it then you should rethink YOUR setup. That would be like forcing Kenyans to carry 50lb back packs during races to make it more fair to the slower runners. Did someone say Kenyans? This thread is brought to you by: Powerthirst qRuNxHqwazs

Ok,but the MV I was thinking of is the 312 version which is alot more than $21,000. Plus,judging a bikes worth using Masterbike which is a European contest where most of the riders are Europeans,typically staged on a European circuit...hmmmm..how unusual that a European brand wins. Let's see a Masterbike staged at Suzuka with all Japanese riders and see what happens.Not to mention that the Italian models are almost never the standard models but the "R" or "Factory" models. If the Italian bikes are so fast and perfect for the track, show me the Superstock/supersport championships. Where are the endurance championships? The only time they can win is if the rules are so stacked in their favor that it's almost embarassing!(like WSB). In pretty much all the other production based championships I can think of, inline fours are mopping the floor with them. In fact,isn't Ducati trying to increase their cc limit to 1200cc or they're threatening to quit WSB? They're already allowed a lighter bike now they want this. To me the rules should be the same accross the board and if your engine configeration can't cut it then you should rethink YOUR setup. That would be like forcing Kenyans to carry 50lb back packs during races to make it more fair to the slower runners. Consider that Master Bike is being held at Jerez every year and that ALL professional and experienced riders from all over the world INCLUDING American ex-racers and Japanese ex-racers... As far as the European bikes are the "R" or "Factory" models go, that's true, but why don't the Japanese make the same types and see how they fare? Oh but they did (R1 Limited Edition) and got wiped out by MV Agusta and 999S (a bike that has 25-HP less). Why don't the Italians show up more at most races? Ah...like I said before, they all teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Where are they going to have the money to finance races? Let's talk endurance racing, the Le Mans endurance race in April had the BMW boxer twin (aircooled) finishing mid-pack. Why is an aircooled flat twin bike with suspensions that supposedly are made for the street instead for racing AND with about 60-HP deficit not finishing dead last? Japanese bikes are pretty damn good and can't be beat for the money. But they are far from being THE BEST.

Yea with those odds they are bound to win :lol: I hate to say it a gixxer isnt all its cracked up to be. Nice bikes but they aint no better than the others out by no means. And then theres that lil frame breakage problem :lol::cheers: :dthumb: :twfrox: Man,not that old song again... I've owned four suzukis in a row and have never seen this problem. I'm not saying it's not possible,I'm saying that I've never seen it or even heard of it before this forum. I know guys who stunt GSXRs,I know guys who race GSXRs(including drag),and I know plenty of guys who ride GSXRs and I've never seen this problem you guys keep bringing up. I even asked afriend of mine who owns/runs a dealership here in town if he's heard of it. He said that he had heard "rumors" from other dealers but had never actually seen this problem with his own eyes If someone on this forum has had this happen to THEM please advise me of the situation and please no 2nd,3rd hand hearsay/forum/blog crap but actual first hand accounts please. I have owned and seen clutch baskets blow up on FZR/YZFs. Two friends who own 07 R1s that won't run right and one whose bike was leaking oil like a sieve from the engine on his way home fom buying it. Kawasaki was having so many engine failures that they suggested new owners follow a 2500 mile break in period. Lastly,on our ride for the metro cruise Sat,no less than 3 Honda CBR1000RRs overheated in "parade mode". All manufactures have problems and failures from time to time. Your opinion or "feelings" about GSXRs doesn't repeal the racing facts that as one brand out of 6 or 7 they're winning about half the championships around the world so I'm not sure what they have to do to be "cracked up" in your eyes but for me that means a superior bike!Period.

Consider that Master Bike is being held at Jerez every year and that ALL professional and experienced riders from all over the world INCLUDING American ex-racers and Japanese ex-racers... As far as the European bikes are the "R" or "Factory" models go, that's true, but why don't the Japanese make the same types and see how they fare? Oh but they did (R1 Limited Edition) and got wiped out by MV Agusta and 999S (a bike that has 25-HP less). Why don't the Italians show up more at most races? Ah...like I said before, they all teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Where are they going to have the money to finance races? Let's talk endurance racing, the Le Mans endurance race in April had the BMW boxer twin (aircooled) finishing mid-pack. Why is an aircooled flat twin bike with suspensions that supposedly are made for the street instead for racing AND with about 60-HP deficit not finishing dead last? Japanese bikes are pretty damn good and can't be beat for the money. But they are far from being THE BEST. Ok,but what is stopping the privateers from racing these far superior machines? I admit that I hadn't considered BMW in the mix but as I'm sure you knew before you typed,endurance racing is as much about mpg and reliabilty as it is about outright lap times. BTW ummmm which brand WON that race and in fact took like half of the top ten hmmmmm? While you're at it,where did your friends at MV finish? Aprillia? Ducati? Benelli? Triumph? Etc. I never said that Suzuki wins every race,in fact going back to the start,I said Japanese inline fours dominate production based racing. Apparently,despite there lack of focus and use of inferior production.:wink: Oh and I never said that mt $9000 GSXR was a better machine than a $40,000 MV Agusta F4/312. I said that if Suzuki made a (from the ground up,not add some premium parts on like a R1le) sportbike that retailed for the same money,it would kick MVs butt sideways. Consider this,how good of a bike would MV produce for $10,000? Do you think it would be better than a GSXR? MV starts witha bike that costs 4x as much and they can't beat half the privateers who are using their superstock bikes in AMA superbike. They throw a party when they make top 10!

Man,not that old song again... I've owned four suzukis in a row and have never seen this problem. I'm not saying it's not possible,I'm saying that I've never seen it or even heard of it before this forum. I know guys who stunt GSXRs,I know guys who race GSXRs(including drag),and I know plenty of guys who ride GSXRs and I've never seen this problem you guys keep bringing up. I even asked afriend of mine who owns/runs a dealership here in town if he's heard of it. He said that he had heard "rumors" from other dealers but had never actually seen this problem with his own eyes If someone on this forum has had this happen to THEM please advise me of the situation and please no 2nd,3rd hand hearsay/forum/blog crap but actual first hand accounts please. I have owned and seen clutch baskets blow up on FZR/YZFs. Two friends who own 07 R1s that won't run right and one whose bike was leaking oil like a sieve from the engine on his way home fom buying it. Kawasaki was having so many engine failures that they suggested new owners follow a 2500 mile break in period. Lastly,on our ride for the metro cruise Sat,no less than 3 Honda CBR1000RRs overheated in "parade mode". All manufactures have problems and failures from time to time. Your opinion or "feelings" about GSXRs doesn't repeal the racing facts that as one brand out of 6 or 7 they're winning about half the championships around the world so I'm not sure what they have to do to be "cracked up" in your eyes but for me that means a superior bike!Period. :thx1:

:thx1: Fanboy:sb:

Ok,but what is stopping the privateers from racing these far superior machines? I admit that I hadn't considered BMW in the mix but as I'm sure you knew before you typed,endurance racing is as much about mpg and reliabilty as it is about outright lap times. BTW ummmm which brand WON that race and in fact took like half of the top ten hmmmmm? While you're at it,where did your friends at MV finish? Aprillia? Ducati? Benelli? Triumph? Etc. I never said that Suzuki wins every race,in fact going back to the start,I said Japanese inline fours dominate production based racing. Apparently,despite there lack of focus and use of inferior production.:wink: Oh and I never said that mt $9000 GSXR was a better machine than a $40,000 MV Agusta F4/312. I said that if Suzuki made a (from the ground up,not add some premium parts on like a R1le) sportbike that retailed for the same money,it would kick MVs butt sideways. Consider this,how good of a bike would MV produce for $10,000? Do you think it would be better than a GSXR? MV starts witha bike that costs 4x as much and they can't beat half the privateers who are using their superstock bikes in AMA superbike. They throw a party when they make top 10! So, I'm trying to understand. You support Suzukis? Its a little cloudy at this point in the BUELL thread.

Yeah back to talking about a good bike on the horizon.

So, I'm trying to understand. You support Suzukis? Its a little cloudy at this point in the BUELL thread. Yeah back to talking about a good bike on the horizon. :sorry: You guys are right but I didn't start it! BTW hopefully Buell will continue along these lines so we can all support an American brand in WSB/AMA competition in the future!

The many reasons california is gay and the hippies made it that way. :iagree: A bunch of rich liberal yuppies built houses next to a race track and then start bitching about the noise.....:nonod:

BTW hopefully Buell will continue along these lines so we can all support an American brand in WSB/AMA competition in the future! :iagree: :cheers:

Ok,but what is stopping the privateers from racing these far superior machines? I admit that I hadn't considered BMW in the mix but as I'm sure you knew before you typed,endurance racing is as much about mpg and reliabilty as it is about outright lap times. BTW ummmm which brand WON that race and in fact took like half of the top ten hmmmmm? While you're at it,where did your friends at MV finish? Aprillia? Ducati? Benelli? Triumph? Etc. I never said that Suzuki wins every race,in fact going back to the start,I said Japanese inline fours dominate production based racing. Apparently,despite there lack of focus and use of inferior production.:wink: Oh and I never said that mt $9000 GSXR was a better machine than a $40,000 MV Agusta F4/312. I said that if Suzuki made a (from the ground up,not add some premium parts on like a R1le) sportbike that retailed for the same money,it would kick MVs butt sideways. Consider this,how good of a bike would MV produce for $10,000? Do you think it would be better than a GSXR? MV starts witha bike that costs 4x as much and they can't beat half the privateers who are using their superstock bikes in AMA superbike. They throw a party when they make top 10! Why don't privateers use the Italian bikes? The cost:wink: The cost of ownership is hell on a privateer. What's the difference between making a bike from the ground up versus add-on premium parts? A Ducati 1098S is a regular 1098 with lighter Marchessini and Ohlins shocks. An Aprilia Mille Factory is a regular Mille with Ohlins and OZ. No different than the R1 Limited Edition. And what do you think it would cost for you to buy a Suzuki GSXR with premium parts? Do you think that Suzuki will be selling it for less than the Italian counterparts? Or much less than the Italian counterparts? As far as MV not winning the races this year...ahem, it's their "first" year. How many manufacturers win races in their "first" year without feedbacks and datas for more tuning and R&D? As far as winning races go, ask Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda how's Ducati is doing in MotoGP.:idk: Ask Suzuki how's BMW and Aprilia are doing in Moto-ST. Those bikes are competing head-to-head against similar Japanese and American bikes and not big-bore V-twins versus liter I-4s.

Why don't privateers use the Italian bikes? The cost:wink: The cost of ownership is hell on a privateer. What's the difference between making a bike from the ground up versus add-on premium parts? A Ducati 1098S is a regular 1098 with lighter Marchessini and Ohlins shocks. An Aprilia Mille Factory is a regular Mille with Ohlins and OZ. No different than the R1 Limited Edition. And what do you think it would cost for you to buy a Suzuki GSXR with premium parts? Do you think that Suzuki will be selling it for less than the Italian counterparts? Or much less than the Italian counterparts? As far as MV not winning the races this year...ahem, it's their "first" year. How many manufacturers win races in their "first" year without feedbacks and datas for more tuning and R&D? As far as winning races go, ask Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda how's Ducati is doing in MotoGP.:idk: Ask Suzuki how's BMW and Aprilia are doing in Moto-ST. Those bikes are competing head-to-head against similar Japanese and American bikes and not big-bore V-twins versus liter I-4s. Hell small italian design studios build alot of the chassis for japanese moto gp machines or at least they used to till the jjapanese engineers bought them used em and then copied em....