Guys, I need your help

I am pretty sick, I had a fever of 101 an hour after taking 650mg of Tylenol. Drewpy and Trip are up at the Dragon, and I am 20 minutes away. Should I ride or not?

Yes of course. But only if you take a muscle relaxer first!:nonod: If you have any idea at all that you won't be 100% don't ride. Regardless of fever, double vision, maybe just pissed off, distracted, bad aura, superstitious premonition...If your not able to focus on the bike and task at hand, don't even lift the kickstand...

at 103 brain damage starts... if you have a temp of 101 you should consider the hospital... if it progresses to 103 get to the ER... that's considered a High Grade Fever and can cause brain damage.

Depends... do you feel woozy and nautious when you stand/walk/move? :barf: Then no. If you feel fine other than being hot... go for it you panzy. :loser:

Don't do it. DP will be there all weekend...

Ahh, I wouldn't. Its not worth it.. especially there, where you aren't going to be just cruisin up the street, but in a place where it takes 100% mental concentration to not fall off a mountain... And if you do that, it will be a while before you get to ride again! Its not worth it IMHO

Ahh, I wouldn't. Its not worth it.. especially there, where you aren't going to be just cruisin up the street, but in a place where it takes 100% mental concentration to not fall off a mountain... And if you do that, it will be a while before you get to ride again! Its not worth it IMHO :iagree:

Went to the doctor this morning, he didn't seem too concerned about the 101 temp... curious. I'm making spaghetti, and playing Halo 3, instead of riding. Anyone wanna get a beat down?

good decision.

Went to the doctor this morning, he didn't seem too concerned about the 101 temp... curious. I'm making spaghetti, and playing Halo 3, instead of riding. Anyone wanna get a beat down? good choice. you cant kill yourself going off a cliff if you're sitting on your azz in the living room. much harder to get hurt there than on two wheels.

yup, live to ride another day... :dthumb:

at 103 brain damage starts... if you have a temp of 101 you should consider the hospital... if it progresses to 103 get to the ER... that's considered a High Grade Fever and can cause brain damage. I think it is too late to worry about that:leaving:

drewpy ironbutt it down?

No beat down, But I'm glad you decided not to ride... With the helmet on, you might have made it to the 103 mark!!:yikes:

drewpy ironbutt it down? Nope...

Should have sucked it up and rode. If the doc said ok id be gone.

drink plenty of liquids and let the body rest. most likely the body is fighting off an infection. excerting yourself may weaken your immune system. be sure to be on the bottom during sex and avoid masterbating... -a|ex

Went to the doctor this morning, he didn't seem too concerned about the 101 temp... curious. I'm making spaghetti, and playing Halo 3, instead of riding. Anyone wanna get a beat down? 101 is nothing to worry about. 104 - 105...then you go to the hospital. If you can, let the fever run for a bit. Fevers are one of the ways your body tries fight infection. I wouldn't be riding, especially the Dragon but that is me. :cheers:

101 is nothing to worry about. 104 - 105...then you go to the hospital. If you can, let the fever run for a bit. Fevers are one of the ways your body tries fight infection. I wouldn't be riding, especially the Dragon but that is me. :cheers: 103 sets off red flags... 104, you get dumped in ice water 105, notify next of kin... -a|ex

103 sets off red flags... 104, you get dumped in ice water 105, notify next of kin... -a|ex 103 definitely set off red flags 104 - dump in ice water only if you want to go into convulsions 105 - need antibiotic and diagnosis but not necessary to notify next of kin, not by a long shot. :cheers:

The Google ad is "Hilary in '08?"... I guess that makes sense with all the talk of death, illness, and convulsions

103 definitely set off red flags 104 - dump in ice water only if you want to go into convulsions 105 - need antibiotic and diagnosis but not necessary to notify next of kin, not by a long shot. :cheers: :withstupi but anything over 103 can cause brain damage if left untreated

The Google ad is "Hilary in '08?"... I guess that makes sense with all the talk of death, illness, and convulsions If Hilary gets elected, we are moving to Canada.

:withstupi but anything over 103 can cause brain damage if left untreated Yes :cheers:

If Hilary gets elected, we are moving to Canada. Why? You might as well stay here, it'll be like Canada... Socialism and all. That being said... She is the scariest thing that could ever happen to this country.

Why? You might as well stay here, it'll be like Canada... Socialism and all. That being said... She is the scariest thing that could ever happen to this country. :withstupi

Why? You might as well stay here, it'll be like Canada... Socialism and all. That being said... She is the scariest thing that could ever happen to this country. I would rather live in a socialist country than live one day with Hilary as President. Die hard republican here. :pat:

Hmm.. I don't know if Osama Barama would be much better.... but then again, we could elect Fidel Castro, Mike Tyson, or Ronald McDonald and be better off than we are with Bush!

Bush hasnt been all that bad if you think about it. I rather have Bush again over Hilary or had that two face Kerry in office.

1 sentence: The Canadian dollar is now worth more than ours. Our economy is a joke now.

1 sentence: The Canadian dollar is now worth more than ours. Our economy is a joke now. compare it to the rest of the world. All I can say and most of the soldiers that risk their lives daily so we can bitch about what we dont like would agree. 'If you dont like it here got the f*ck out!' And no thats not aimed at anyone in particular just in general :lol:

Define joke? All time unemployment low? Huge stock market success - despite the recent sub prime market crap. We never saw a "real" market correction. Crime is down Students meeting goal at a high Majority of Americans report that they are better off now then they were 7 years ago. I am a little confused here.:idk:

Tell that to an auto worker

Tell that to an auto worker ya mean mr.UAW thats been making more than many college grads have for decades n it finally ran out??

1 sentence: The Canadian dollar is now worth more than ours. Our economy is a joke now. You are wrong Friday, October 26, 2007 1 US Dollar = 0.96763 Canadian Dollar 1 Canadian Dollar (CAD) = 1.03345 US Dollar (USD) Interbank rate +/- 0% This means: You buy 1 US Dollar : 0.96763 Canadian Dollar You sell 1 US Dollar : 0.96732 Canadian Dollar You buy 1 Canadian Dollar : 1.03345 US Dollar You sell 1 Canadian Dollar : 1.03378 US Dollar Median price = 0.96732 / 0.96763 (bid/ask) Minimum price = 0.96125 / 0.96150 Maximum price = 0.96978 / 0.97018 :cheers:

It was lower last week. Hockey and beer must be in a lull this week :D

It was lower last week. Hockey and beer must be in a lull this week :D :lol:

Tell that to an auto worker Wednesday, July 11, 2007 Transformational UAW Deal? Accept Professors' Pay According to Forbes: Labor cost per hour, wages and benefits for hourly workers, 2006. Ford: $70.51 ($141,020 per year) GM: $73.26 ($146,520 per year) Chrysler: $75.86 ($151,720 per year) Toyota, Honda, Nissan (in U.S.): $48.00 ($96,000 per year) According to AAUP and IES, the average annual compensation for a college professor in 2006 was $92,973 (average salary nationally of $73,207 + 27% benefits). Bottom Line: The average UAW worker with a high school degree earns 57.6% more compensation than the average university professor with a Ph.D. (see graph above, click to enlarge), and 52.6% more than the average worker at Toyota, Honda or Nissan. Many industry analysts say the Detroit Three, and especially Ford, must be on par with Toyota and Honda to survive. This year's contract, they say, must be "transformational" in reducing pension and health care costs. What would "transformational" mean? One way to think about: "transformational" would mean that UAW workers, most with a high school degree, would have to accept compensation equal to that of the average university professor with a Ph.D.

It was lower last week. Hockey and beer must be in a lull this week :D Maybe we should head up and throw back some Lager's :cheers:

:cheers: to that!

'burp'

Define joke? All time unemployment low? Huge stock market success - despite the recent sub prime market crap. We never saw a "real" market correction. Crime is down Students meeting goal at a high Majority of Americans report that they are better off now then they were 7 years ago. I am a little confused here.:idk: Better take your blinders off, you are confused ;) 7 years ago national debt zero, today is over $9,061,842,612,200.04 thats $29871.18 per person in America. Current debt can be found at http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock? Did those Americans better off 7 years ago take into account $30K they now owe thanks to Bush? Do you have any idea why American money is becoming worthless? Its called HUGE DEBT under Bushs leadership. Only reason stock market is holding up, dow is based on multi national companies such as Coke ect. Since dollar has sunk to all time lows, these companies are making huge profits when coverting foreign profits back to American dollars. Dollar keeps sinking, China may start exporting jobs to America. If you do little research, only jobs created under Bush, low paying service industry jobs. Bush has made it embarrassment to say you are an American when you travel to other counties:cursin: Bushs Iraq blunder going to take decades to correct.

Better take your blinders off, you are confused ;) 7 years ago national debt zero, today is over $9,061,842,612,200.04 thats $29871.18 per person in America. Current debt can be found at http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock? Did those Americans better off 7 years ago take into account $30K they now owe thanks to Bush? Do you have any idea why American money is becoming worthless? Its called HUGE DEBT under Bushs leadership. Only reason stock market is holding up, dow is based on multi national companies such as Coke ect. Since dollar has sunk to all time lows, these companies are making huge profits when coverting foreign profits back to American dollars. Dollar keeps sinking, China may start exporting jobs to America. If you do little research, only jobs created under Bush, low paying service industry jobs. Bush has made it embarrassment to say you are an American when you travel to other counties:cursin: Bushs Iraq blunder going to take decades to correct. omg not this bs again. Point blank Nation debt or not this nation is in the best shape it has ever been in. And Yes I said ever. God Bless our troops.:patr:

Big Ted - you and I both know we can go back and forth all night. Not interested but try getting some of that information without the liberal spin. :cheers:

Lets go back to the beer and hockey talk :dthumb:

Lets go back to the beer and hockey talk :dthumb: :withstupi

ooh ohh!! i wanna :whore: :whore: too! :jacked:

:wtf: is kyle anyhow its his thread :lol:

Tell that to an auto worker The Auto Workers loosing work is their own damn fault. And honestly I look forward to the day there isn't another UAW worker in the world. And I've done machinist work for GM before. We called our job "Union Proofing". And to the Union Workers credit they are pretty incredible with screwing crap up. Honestly if GM or any other of the Big 3 want to save themselves they need to find a bunch of monkeys missing half of their brain to replace the workers. And I help design the machines they work on and it is pretty close to monkey work. Just not as complicated or hard. As for your fever. When I was in the hospital after having emergency surgery where they removed my spleen. The most panicked I ever saw the nurses was when I spiked a fever in the ICU. I know I hit a high high fever. Can't remember how high. Not sure if it caused brain damage but I wanted a motorcycle after that day. Plus staying at home is the best way to get over it. Most basic ailments can be cured with lots of sleep. Just let your immune system and internal diagnostic programs take care of the problem.

Lets go back to the beer and hockey talk :dthumb: :iagree: Favorite Beer and Hockey Team? Me - Corona or Molson XXX and Montreal Canadians :dthumb: I loved the Whalers but they are long gone now.

omg not this bs again. Point blank Nation debt or not this nation is in the best shape it has ever been in. And Yes I said ever. God Bless our troops.:patr: Really:scratch: 40% of Americans cannot pay for medical insurance. Next few years millions of Amerians are going to loose their homes. Middle class shrinking to all time lows. Yes america is best shape its ever been in:slol:

ooh ohh!! i wanna :whore: :whore: too! :jacked: Kim - you can put your girldar down. Not here to mess with your boys. Married with kids here. Just looking to have a good time on a decent internet forum with people I share a common interest with. Long time member from Corvette Forum (until I got banned anyway) Check around - I check out clean. :cheers:

Kim - you can put your girldar down. Not here to mess with your boys. Married with kids here. Just looking to have a good time on a decent internet forum with people I share a common interest with. Long time member from Corvette Forum (until I got banned anyway) Check around - I check out clean. :cheers: banned from corvette forum? i think i like ya already. things just got off topic a bit, that's all. i felt left out, had to add something. :cheers:

Really:scratch: 40% of Americans cannot pay for medical insurance. Next few years millions of Amerians are going to loose their homes. Middle class shrinking to all time lows. Yes america is best shape its ever been in:slol: What ever dude live in your delusion and I'll live in mine :lol:

banned from corvette forum? i think i like ya already. things just got off topic a bit, that's all. i felt left out, had to add something. :cheers: No worries - I completely respect where you are coming from :cheers:

The Auto Workers loosing work is their own damn fault. And honestly I look forward to the day there isn't another UAW worker in the world. Yes, unions are out dated. Lets pay all the people with monkey jobs $5 hour, no medical, work them 16 hours, 7 days week. You can trust companies to take of you:cheers:

What ever dude live in your delusion and I'll live in mine :lol: Hey, live darn good here:cheers: Just tring to look after future Americans. Good to see you have made the American dream also:cheers:

Yes, unions are out dated. Lets pay all the people with monkey jobs $5 hour, no medical, work them 16 hours, 7 days week. You can trust companies to take of you:cheers: you're a auto worker huh? :lol: The UAW had some good ideas for many years. But they got greedy like the companies the AU's work for. SO what did the Auto makers do?? thats right out sourced to foreign countries. And now those countries are relocating here to work the jobs some American think they are above working. Goto McDonalds or burger King n you will see which kids are willing to work and which think someone owes them something. If a person doesnt have a job, they flat out dont want one.:cheers: politics n forums dont mix.

Hey, live darn good here:cheers: Just tring to look after future Americans. Good to see you have made the American dream also:cheers: :cheers: I do try n what I dont have is my own undoing, but I do ok :lol::cheers:

:iagree: Favorite Beer and Hockey Team? Me - Corona or Molson XXX and Montreal Canadians :dthumb: I loved the Whalers but they are long gone now. Red Wings, and probably Molson Canadian or Labbatt Blue.

you're a auto worker huh? :lol: The UAW had some good ideas for many years. But they got greedy like the companies the AU's work for. SO what did the Auto makers do?? thats right out sourced to foreign countries. And now those countries are relocating here to work the jobs some American think they are above working. Goto McDonalds or burger King n you will see which kids are willing to work and which think someone owes them something. If a person doesnt have a job, they flat out dont want one.:cheers: politics n forums dont mix. Unions only get what companies give them ;) Guess those $6 hour customer service operaters got greedy also, most are now also outsourced to other countries:nonod:

Really:scratch: 40% of Americans cannot pay for medical insurance. Next few years millions of Amerians are going to loose their homes. Middle class shrinking to all time lows. Yes america is best shape its ever been in:slol: Yeah. But medical care is more expensive now too. Why? Becuase doctors are greedy? Drug Companies are Greedy? Hospitals are greedy? Nope Wrong!!! Medical care is more expensive now becuase the technology of medical care is growing by leaps and bounds. 30years ago you go to the ER and say your stomach hurts. They assume food poisining, give you drugs and send you home to die. Present they put you in a PETscan, MRI, CT, and many other forms of Nuclear medicine. But they see your stomach has pefurated and fix it and then you don't die. By the way I don't have healthcare and also a weakend immune system due to me not having a spleen. I move pool tables 6 days a week and during Christmas time I arrive at work at 4am and often don't get home until 10pm-Midnight just to wake up at 3am again to get to work by 4. That is also 7days a week. I constantly go into a hot home and then walk outside after sweating in the hot home to cold weather and I do it back and forth all day. But becuase everytime I sneeze I don't rush to the ER my body has built up an arsenal to deal with ailments. Also free healthcare will do more damage. Amaxocilin is nothing more than a Placebo now because in the early to mid 90s they gave it out like free candy. So what we have left now are superbugs that hurt everyone else. Proper pay for an assembly line worker should probably be around $12-15 an hour with some benefits. Not freaking $30 an hour then $90 an hour if they work(If that's what they call it) overtime. Infact this is how bad American cars suck. My uncle was a designer for GM in Detroit years ago. He drove a Honda Accord to work.

Unions only get what companies give them ;) Guess those $6 hour customer service operaters got greedy also, most are now also outsourced to other countries:nonod: thru that along with IT help desk workers :lol: 'yes may I can help you?'

Yeah. But medical care is more expensive now too. Why? Becuase doctors are greedy? Drug Companies are Greedy? Hospitals are greedy? Nope Wrong!!! Medical care is more expensive now becuase the technology of medical care is growing by leaps and bounds. 30years ago you go to the ER and say your stomach hurts. They assume food poisining, give you drugs and send you home to die. Present they put you in a PETscan, MRI, CT, and many other forms of Nuclear medicine. But they see your stomach has pefurated and fix it and then you don't die. By the way I don't have healthcare and also a weakend immune system due to me not having a spleen. I move pool tables 6 days a week and during Christmas time I arrive at work at 4am and often don't get home until 10pm-Midnight just to wake up at 3am again to get to work by 4. That is also 7days a week. I constantly go into a hot home and then walk outside after sweating in the hot home to cold weather and I do it back and forth all day. But becuase everytime I sneeze I don't rush to the ER my body has built up an arsenal to deal with ailments. Also free healthcare will do more damage. Amaxocilin is nothing more than a Placebo now because in the early to mid 90s they gave it out like free candy. So what we have left now are superbugs that hurt everyone else. Proper pay for an assembly line worker should probably be around $12-15 an hour with some benefits. Not freaking $30 an hour then $90 an hour if they work(If that's what they call it) overtime. Infact this is how bad American cars suck. My uncle was a designer for GM in Detroit years ago. He drove a Honda Accord to work. You are forgetting most greedy of all, Medical insurance company ;) You are perfect example of why America is going into the crapper. You work your a$$ off. Cannot afford medical insurance. Knowbody asking for free medical, just affordable. If the factory line worker is making $30 hour, is CEO worth 350 times more with stock options?

Yeah. But medical care is more expensive now too. Why? Becuase doctors are greedy? Drug Companies are Greedy? Hospitals are greedy? Nope Wrong!!! Medical care is more expensive now becuase the technology of medical care is growing by leaps and bounds. 30years ago you go to the ER and say your stomach hurts. They assume food poisining, give you drugs and send you home to die. Present they put you in a PETscan, MRI, CT, and many other forms of Nuclear medicine. But they see your stomach has pefurated and fix it and then you don't die. By the way I don't have healthcare and also a weakend immune system due to me not having a spleen. I move pool tables 6 days a week and during Christmas time I arrive at work at 4am and often don't get home until 10pm-Midnight just to wake up at 3am again to get to work by 4. That is also 7days a week. I constantly go into a hot home and then walk outside after sweating in the hot home to cold weather and I do it back and forth all day. But becuase everytime I sneeze I don't rush to the ER my body has built up an arsenal to deal with ailments. Also free healthcare will do more damage. Amaxocilin is nothing more than a Placebo now because in the early to mid 90s they gave it out like free candy. So what we have left now are superbugs that hurt everyone else. Proper pay for an assembly line worker should probably be around $12-15 an hour with some benefits. Not freaking $30 an hour then $90 an hour if they work(If that's what they call it) overtime. Infact this is how bad American cars suck. My uncle was a designer for GM in Detroit years ago. He drove a Honda Accord to work. Most of what you are describing is "Defensive Medicine" To Big Ted's point - it is not all the Greedy Insurance companies, much of it is the insurance companies finding a need protecting doctors from sue happy patients. Why do people sue? Instant gratificiation. The "I deserve better" mentality.

Most of what you are describing is "Defensive Medicine" To Big Ted's point - it is not all the Greedy Insurance companies, much of it is the insurance companies finding a need protecting doctors from sue happy patients. Why do people sue? Instant gratificiation. The "I deserve better" mentality. To Pears point- you are talking malpractice insurance which is one lowest costs in your medical insurance premium.

I would rather live in a socialist country than live one day with Hilary as President. Die hard republican here. :pat: Die hard Rep, who's willing to live in a socialist country... That's quite strange to me... :scratch: Yes, unions are out dated. Lets pay all the people with monkey jobs $5 hour, no medical, work them 16 hours, 7 days week. You can trust companies to take of you:cheers: Oh please... That's spun more than the wheels on my bike... Unions were created because people did not have any other options, but to work at the ONE factory in town... People have options now. I don't understand why an unskilled worker should be given more wages and benefits than someone who busts their ass to become a more productive member of society... American automakers are going to fold because they cannot make any money... There's gonna come a point in time in which the unions destroy each company... In that regard, they are their own worst enemy...

Die hard Rep, who's willing to live in a socialist country... That's quite strange to me... :scratch: Oh please... That's spun more than the wheels on my bike... Unions were created because people did not have any other options, but to work at the ONE factory in town... People have options now. I don't understand why an unskilled worker should be given more wages and benefits than someone who busts their ass to become a more productive member of society... American automakers are going to fold because they cannot make any money... There's gonna come a point in time in which the unions destroy each company... In that regard, they are their own worst enemy... :clap: :lols:

Define joke? All time unemployment low? Huge stock market success - despite the recent sub prime market crap. We never saw a "real" market correction. Crime is down Students meeting goal at a high Majority of Americans report that they are better off now then they were 7 years ago. I am a little confused here.:idk: are you single?

I would join in on this political debate, but I'm a little too tired right now. Maybe tomorrow I will grace you with my Libertarian views. Constitutionalism for the win.

I would join in on this political debate, but I'm a little too tired right now. Maybe tomorrow I will grace you with my Libertarian views. Constitutionalism for the win. have fun, when I get this dedi up n going I will be out riding :lol:

Just becuase factory jobs are going doesn't mean more jobs aren't being created. Look at Grocery Stores. Are "Self-Checkouts" robbing jobs? Note I didn't say taking away "Cashier" jobs. Because they are. However people who went to college or started a company get jobs becuase a self-checkout is a very complicated machine that requires more highly paid individuals to design and mantain it. So while some 15year old highschooler who needs money for beer looses a job. 5 companies that employ hundreds of well paid smart individuals design these machines. And raise a family on it. Now right now here in Atlanta in the Republic of the United States I could go out right now and get a CAT scan if I just wanted one for poops and giggles. Now I'll have to pay it out of my pocket but I can do it. You can't do that in Canada. Not for non-emergency situations. You have to wait in line while your Cancer grows bigger in your body and spreads. And it's why the RICH of Canada travel to some iddy biddy border town in the middle of nowhere USA and get a CAT scan to check for Cancer.

wuss, you should of rode.

Oh please... That's spun more than the wheels on my bike... Unions were created because people did not have any other options, but to work at the ONE factory in town... People have options now. I don't understand why an unskilled worker should be given more wages and benefits than someone who busts their ass to become a more productive member of society... American automakers are going to fold because they cannot make any money... There's gonna come a point in time in which the unions destroy each company... In that regard, they are their own worst enemy...[/QUOTE] People do have other options not to work for them. Companies also have option to go non union:cheers: Union sets working conditions, pay provides education for job. All the union employees I hire bust ass, are you tring to say all union employee's donot bust ass???????????

People do have other options not to work for them. Companies also have option to go non union:cheers: Union sets working conditions, pay provides education for job. All the union employees I hire bust ass, are you tring to say all union employee's donot bust ass??????????? You speak as though deunionizing is easy... Frankly these organizations don't have enough money to pull it off... Setting working conditions... Pretty sure OSHA exists... Pay provides education for job? :wtf: are you talking about. $30/hr to push a flucking button... In what world does that make sense? Explain to me, in detail, why unions are needed? What purpose do they serve? I would NEVER want to be in a union... I don't see the need... If I'm not happy, I go across the street to the next place and work there...

Die hard Rep, who's willing to live in a socialist country... That's quite strange to me... :scratch: I am difficult to figure out, that is what makes me fun but have no doubt - I LOVE my country and I am a republican. Socialist country vs. Hilary Clinton. Socialist country is the lesser of those two evils. Oh please... That's spun more than the wheels on my bike... Unions were created because people did not have any other options, but to work at the ONE factory in town... People have options now. I don't understand why an unskilled worker should be given more wages and benefits than someone who busts their ass to become a more productive member of society... American automakers are going to fold because they cannot make any money... There's gonna come a point in time in which the unions destroy each company... In that regard, they are their own worst enemy... A - freaking men :pat:

Explain to me, in detail, why unions are needed? What purpose do they serve? I would NEVER want to be in a union... I don't see the need... If I'm not happy, I go across the street to the next place and work there... it takes many years to get that $30/hr to push a button (gota start at the bottom)... with union, the starting pay is around $15 to $19 depending on education. without union, starting pay will be the current minimum wage (walmart pay and employee tactics). the good thing about unions is that it keeps management on their toes. they can't just sexually harass or fire an employee because they pissed off a family member. no union = no protection from bad management. without unions, you will never see pay increases to keep up with cost of living. as for the executives getting the lion's share, it's their company. they earned it. i've worked at fortune 500 companies before. as both union and salaried. trust me, large companies would love to reduce worker's hourly pay and reduce benefits to walmart levels. the lower the cost of business, the higher the bonuses to the stock holders. bottom line, it's all about money. -a|ex

Soooo.... Fever gone? Goin ridin today?

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Soooo.... Fever gone? Goin ridin today? Hell yeah. I just washed the bike, now I'm waiting on Trip and Drewpy to come over so I can change Drewpy's fork oil. WEWT.

Hell yeah. I just washed the bike, now I'm waiting on Trip and Drewpy to come over so I can change Drewpy's fork oil. WEWT. :dthumb: If you went out yesterday you would probably be sick as a dog today!

it takes many years to get that $30/hr to push a button (gota start at the bottom)... with union, the starting pay is around $15 to $19 depending on education. without union, starting pay will be the current minimum wage (walmart pay and employee tactics). $15/hr seems about right for someone with tenure... People just starting out shouldn't make that kind of scratch to do an unskilled job. There are people with college degrees that don't start out making $15/hr. How does that make sense? the good thing about unions is that it keeps management on their toes. they can't just sexually harass or fire an employee because they pissed off a family member. no union = no protection from bad management. They can't do that chit anyway. Are you kidding me? Is this 1950? People are so damn sue happy these days and there's enough legislation to protect them, unions are not needed. This is probably the weakest of your arguments. without unions, you will never see pay increases to keep up with cost of living. Get another job. Get educated. Learn a skill. Again, why should unskilled workers get wages and benefits that skilled and educated workers have to bust their ass for? as for the executives getting the lion's share, it's their company. they earned it. I agree with this. i've worked at fortune 500 companies before. as both union and salaried. trust me, large companies would love to reduce worker's hourly pay and reduce benefits to walmart levels. the lower the cost of business, the higher the bonuses to the stock holders. bottom line, it's all about money. -a|ex What's wrong with that? Pay people less, or outsource to China. You have to compete in the global market somehow... It would be nice to have it both ways, but it just doesn't work that way.

Had a great time yesterday, made lots o fast runs. then i got drunk, fell down, busted my knee open on a rock, told trip to cauterize it with a burning stick from the camp fire, had my marshmallow stolen, i think thats about it.

$15/hr seems about right for someone with tenure... People just starting out shouldn't make that kind of scratch to do an unskilled job. There are people with college degrees that don't start out making $15/hr. How does that make sense? depends on the work they do, communications service techs are union, they get incredible training which can land them a good skill trade when they decide to leave. i was a CST hired with no training, but my Bachelors gave me an increase in pay. that entry level job got me to where i am today. They can't do that chit anyway. Are you kidding me? Is this 1950? People are so damn sue happy these days and there's enough legislation to protect them, unions are not needed. This is probably the weakest of your arguments. Still happens. a friend at UPS has first hand experience with bad management. his union prevented him from getting fired. he was dating a supervisor's daughter and cheated on her. the supervisor started working him harder than the others and expected unreasonable performance levels after that incident. the supervisor tried to fire him for poor job performance. fortunately, the union was there for legal help. there were also sexual harassment incidents at UPS where the union was involved. a female supervisor tried firing a union employee because he refused to date her. she filed sexual harassment on him but the union saved his job. Get another job. Get educated. Learn a skill. Again, why should unskilled workers get wages and benefits that skilled and educated workers have to bust their ass for? easier said than done. i quit telling ppl that because society needs low income laborers to do the jobs that higher educated people refuse to do. what would happen if everyone when to college and became successfull? you will see $30/hr fast food jobs. the economy will crumble. the cost of labor will increase product prices. What's wrong with that? Pay people less, or outsource to China. You have to compete in the global market somehow... It would be nice to have it both ways, but it just doesn't work that way. i can tell you that outsourcing to foreign countries will hurt both the local economy and risk national security. why on earth would you outsource the military's IT to china? or any government contracts to a foreign nation. i've seen the effect of global outsourcing. the U.S. is starting to lose it's technical resources. why even produce U.S. engineers if it's cheaper to use chinese engineers? i'm kinda surprised that you are in favour of global outsourcing. there was a time when call centers where relocating overseas... many in the U.S. closed down. once you lose your job to foreign outsourcing, you will think differently. -a|ex

depends on the work they do, communications service techs are union, they get incredible training which can land them a good skill trade when they decide to leave. i was a CST hired with no training, but my Bachelors gave me an increase in pay. that entry level job got me to where i am today. I am talking factory labor that a trained monkey could do. You could get similar training without a union, I guarantee it. Still happens. a friend at UPS has first hand experience with bad management. his union prevented him from getting fired. he was dating a supervisor's daughter and cheated on her. the supervisor started working him harder than the others and expected unreasonable performance levels after that incident. the supervisor tried to fire him for poor job performance. fortunately, the union was there for legal help. there were also sexual harassment incidents at UPS where the union was involved. a female supervisor tried firing a union employee because he refused to date her. she filed sexual harassment on him but the union saved his job. First off, there are laws in place that protect people against exactly what you are talking about... Start with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act for starters... Unions aren't needed for that chit, and lawyers jump on those cases like mad... Funny you should mention UPS... One of my best friends was a supervisor for UPS... He had a guy who used to chit his pants on a daily basis... seriously, like chit running down his leg and getting on the packages... Couldn't fire him. He had a guy who worked there for 15 years, could have been making $40k/yr, but the dude called off literally 2-3 times per week... Couldn't fire him either. Couldn't discipline people for being tardy... couldn't do ANYTHING to make them more productive... He finally had enough after 3 years and told them, 'either put me back in a truck and in the union, or I'm walking.' They put him back in a truck, but he put in his two weeks anyway. easier said than done. i quit telling ppl that because society needs low income laborers to do the jobs that higher educated people refuse to do. what would happen if everyone when to college and became successfull? you will see $30/hr fast food jobs. the economy will crumble. the cost of labor will increase product prices. I am not saying there isn't a need for unskilled laborers, but to pay someone more than a skilled laborer is RETARDED. i can tell you that outsourcing to foreign countries will hurt both the local economy and risk national security. why on earth would you outsource the military's IT to china? or any government contracts to a foreign nation. Outsourcing is needed to remain competitive with the global market. Period. Not everything can/will ever be outsourced on the other hand. i've seen the effect of global outsourcing. the U.S. is starting to lose it's technical resources. why even produce U.S. engineers if it's cheaper to use chinese engineers? Maybe if we'd start producing more engineers then you could make that argument... Simple supply and demand... Why are all the engineers coming from these nations... Perhaps because they are the ones that are producing the most! i'm kinda surprised that you are in favour of global outsourcing. there was a time when call centers where relocating overseas... many in the U.S. closed down. once you lose your job to foreign outsourcing, you will think differently. -a|ex I don't fear losing my job to outsourcing. My organization is a leader in the industry and we will never outsource. Why? Cause we can produce BETTER results that brings our cost per hour lower than outsourced call centers. In looking at our competitors, we're starting to see a trend of those jobs coming BACK to the US... Why? Cause who would you rather talk to... some moron in India... or the US moron? We are actually working with the Federal government on developing legislation that will force any US company to acknowledge their location on every call, in and outbound. Imagine what that will do for the industry.

I am talking factory labor that a trained monkey could do. You could get similar training without a union, I guarantee it. a friend of mine worked at the honda plant in marysville. turnover is very high, that's why pay is high to retain employees. he said that doing the same assembly work day in day out for years takes it's toll... First off, there are laws in place that protect people against exactly what you are talking about... Start with Title VII of the Civil Rights Act for starters... Unions aren't needed for that chit, and lawyers jump on those cases like mad... employment at will, your boss can fire you with or without cause, except for reasons of political views, sexual oriention, race, and religion. i've been involved in a few cases. a union will protect against those not covered. Funny you should mention UPS... One of my best friends was a supervisor for UPS... He had a guy who used to chit his pants on a daily basis... seriously, like chit running down his leg and getting on the packages... Couldn't fire him. i worked at UPS during college, it's a messed up work environment. I am not saying there isn't a need for unskilled laborers, but to pay someone more than a skilled laborer is RETARDED. skilled laborer makes more... at least, the one's i've hired were. Outsourcing is needed to remain competitive with the global market. Period. Not everything can/will ever be outsourced on the other hand. no, global outsourcing is ignoring your economy. it's a polical strategy. Maybe if we'd start producing more engineers then you could make that argument... Simple supply and demand... Why are all the engineers coming from these nations... Perhaps because they are the ones that are producing the most! we do produce alot of engineers. at the big ten universities, engineering has the largest graduation classes. corporations do not want to pay them a starting pay of $25/hour when the government issues H-1B visa's to foreign engineers. the corporations lobbied for more H-1B's by convincing the government that engineers were in short supplies. i have many engineer friends get laid off. there were some that trained their foreign replacements. this strikes a nerve for me in the I.T. field. why should corporations lay off soo many U.S. engineers and replace them with H-1B engineers. eh, i know the answer (bean counters). I don't fear losing my job to outsourcing. My organization is a leader in the industry and we will never outsource. Why? Cause we can produce BETTER results that brings our cost per hour lower than outsourced call centers. a cisco trainer friend once told me that since he wrote parts of the infamous CCIE test, that his job with the company was secure. he got laid off from Cisco. moral of the story, no such thing as job security in a publicly traded company. In looking at our competitors, we're starting to see a trend of those jobs coming BACK to the US... Why? Cause who would you rather talk to... some moron in India... or the US moron? We are actually working with the Federal government on developing legislation that will force any US company to acknowledge their location on every call, in and outbound. Imagine what that will do for the industry. no arguement from me here. -a|ex

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Umm, politics is bad HmmKayy! Everyone blames the Pres. 'cause the buck stops there but really the job title isn't GOD. He doesn't run this country by himself. He inherited quite a bit coming into office (as does ANY Pres) and got us thru the 9/11 deal. so he fumbles alot...big deal. The countries economy is not healthy. Look at the credit crunch/ housing mess. Consumers make up 2/3rds of our economy and they have been living outside their means for some time thanks to easy credit. The time for accountability has come and the consumer no longer has the means to cover themselves. Their last bastion of hope was in home equity and real estate appreciation. Take a good look at the foreclosure rate (record high), the unoccupied housing/vacant supply (record and growing), the new and used home sales (lower than expected recovery), personal bankruptcy rising again after an alltime high in 2005 (when new laws on chp 7 came into effect. You can only file every 7 years so these are new bankruptcy filing). Don't even have to touch on Wall Street, price of oil and gas, national deficit. The US is a bankrupt nation facing serious recession, the corporations rely on the debt market in order to cash flow, and the avg US citizen worker is going to take the fall for it all. Sorry to ruin your monday! Wow is it hot in here or does someone have a fever?!!:cheers: