What the **** is up with halloween?

I am so depressed at thinking that Halloween is all but dead. not for us grown up kids that will continue to get drunk and party october 31st until the end of time, but for real kids. It has become so commercialized that its hard to imagine what it will be like for our kids kids. for example. Children are now urged to follow a certain route. what ever happened to running from house to house, jumping fences, dodging other kids, getting lost, and basically just going crazy? thats how we did it, and i cant imagine any other type of trick or treating. Costumes are all prefabricated crap. What happened to our hobos? our foot ball players? our zombies? our ninja turtles (the ones with a pillow stuffed in the back of a shirt, a green face, and a brown sock with holes, not the cheap plastic mask and a plastic sword)... Give me the mummies, ghosts, witches, cowboys, vampires, and other home grown costumes of yesterday. You can keep your mass produced spongebob outfits, your million spider mans, your countless media driven costumes. "okay now let me and your father check your candy" Bull****. my candy was hidden and hidden and then some. if mom thought she was gonna get that candy from me it was from my cold dead chocolaty hands. I was still eating candy cigarettes, smarties, tootsie rolls and good and plenty's two months after halloween when all the good candy ran out. Apples with razor blades? **** that, when we got apples they were either thrown at younger kids or each other, if i wanted an apple i'd ask mom. she'd **** a brick and buy a whole bushel. Trick or treat before dark what the **** is the point of this? seriously? i dont get it. we might as well only have christmas only when its not snowing. wear bright clotes, have flashlights, wear reflective tape lets just make our already gay costumes that much gayer kids. I cant keep doin this, but i know you people have much to add to this list, speak up.

:iagree: on all counts.

I will add 'rolling' you favorite teachers house, egging that beotch that looks at you mean at the grocery store. Random trickery galore....

Thats devils night!:redevil: :redevil:

yeah, what society has become. :idk:

Yeah halloween dide awhile ago... Sucks balls

Kinda goes hand and hand with the fact that the Cleveland Indian's got a "Certificate of Participation" last week :whistle:

we don't live in the 1980s anymore. one cannot just close their eyes and pretend that there is no danger present. believe me, my kids don't care about reflective tape, trick or treating before dusk, us checking their candy etc. as long as they get treats, all is well in their eyes. you are getting older and wiser now, as well as cynical. remember, it is society that dictates these standards, and it is the parent's job to protect their children from harm. in a perfect world everything would be as it was. but unfortunately it's only gonna get worse...not better. brace yourself.

Kinda goes hand and hand with the fact that the Cleveland Indian's got a "Certificate of Participation" last week :whistle: :scratch: what does that have to do with halloween?

:scratch: what does that have to do with halloween? rhymes with sux I think is what it means :slol:

:scratch: what does that have to do with halloween? It goes with the same lines as helicopter parent, over protective society, everyone is a winner. Take your pick. Our society cries out that our children are irresponsible, cannot function in the real world, no work ethic, etc. You should also try some powder for that itch. :cheers:

As well as little league sports no longer keeping score!

As well as little league sports no longer keeping score! Exactly - everyone is a winner. Protect me from myself. I guess I am fortunate. I live in an area where the kids can still go out on Halloween, after dark and have a blast trick or treating. I don't need to worry about checking the candy through a scanner because I know everyone around here. :cheers:

my goal is to protect the innocence of my children. if that makes me some 'helicopter parent' or whatever the latest catchphrase is, so be it. things ain't like they used to be. teachers are molesting students, there's pedophiles in every neighborhood etc. kids can't just be kids anymore. sounds like a watchful eye is necessary nowadays.

my goal is to protect the innocence of my children. if that makes me some 'helicopter parent' or whatever the latest catchphrase is, so be it. things ain't like they used to be. teachers are molesting students, there's pedophiles in every neighborhood etc. kids can't just be kids anymore. sounds like a watchful eye is necessary nowadays. those have always been there a few just got caught (thanks Father ) is all n we all are aware of it now. :cheers:

Kinda goes hand and hand with the fact that the Cleveland Indian's got a "Certificate of Participation" last week :whistle: they beat the yankees. yankees are the best team in baseball. im happy. we don't live in the 1980s anymore. one cannot just close their eyes and pretend that there is no danger present. believe me, my kids don't care about reflective tape, trick or treating before dusk, us checking their candy etc. as long as they get treats, all is well in their eyes. you are getting older and wiser now, as well as cynical. remember, it is society that dictates these standards, and it is the parent's job to protect their children from harm. in a perfect world everything would be as it was. but unfortunately it's only gonna get worse...not better. brace yourself. come on Itgirl stop being obstinate. i didnt say it we should let our kids roam the streets on ecxtacy and give them hand grenades. im saying let halloween be fun again. yea its fun for THEM cause they dont know any better. everything has become too much about instant gratification now-a-days. yea, keep your kids extra safe on halloween because you havent spent the last 5 years teaching them not to trust strangers, or look both ways before crossing, or other common sense **** that will keep them just as safe. i guess its okay not to teach our kids the facts of life so long as we shelter them.

my goal is to protect the innocence of my children. if that makes me some 'helicopter parent' or whatever the latest catchphrase is, so be it. things ain't like they used to be. teachers are molesting students, there's pedophiles in every neighborhood etc. kids can't just be kids anymore. sounds like a watchful eye is necessary nowadays. I completely understand where you are coming from. It is a scary world especially when you are a mom. Catch phrase or not, I just raised a daughter, trying to be super mom, sent her to college where I suddenly realized how unprepared she was. She is super smart but lacks common sense or should I say decision making ability? I then realized it was because I made all her decisions for her. I speak only from my own experience. Maybe yours will be different. She has had to have a crash course in reality. She is doing great but I am definitely changing how I do things with the other 2.

they beat the yankees. yankees are the best team in baseball. im happy. come on Itgirl stop being obstinate. i didnt say it we should let our kids roam the streets on ecxtacy and give them hand grenades. im saying let halloween be fun again. yea its fun for THEM cause they dont know any better. everything has become too much about instant gratification now-a-days. yea, keep your kids extra safe on halloween because you havent spent the last 5 years teaching them not to trust strangers, or look both ways before crossing, or other common sense **** that will keep them just as safe. i guess its okay not to teach our kids the facts of life so long as we shelter them. it can be fun, just safe too. i like to be proactive, not reactive. besides, the kids don't know what it was like when we were young. to them, this is the new normal.

thats my point though. poking yourself in the eye with a stick would be fun if you didnt know the diference. think about it.

I completely understand where you are coming from. It is a scary world especially when you are a mom. Catch phrase or not, I just raised a daughter, trying to be super mom, sent her to college where I suddenly realized how unprepared she was. She is super smart but lacks common sense or should I say decision making ability? I then realized it was because I made all her decisions for her. I speak only from my own experience. Maybe yours will be different. She has had to have a crash course in reality. She is doing great but I am definitely changing how I do things with the other 2. thats majority of kids in general. I known serveral over the years like that n see many more now at the college. Its not al lthe parents fault, alot if not most kids think they know more than the parents do. That is until they make it to 30 n fingure out hey mom n dad were right, man if I had just llistened :lol:

I completely understand where you are coming from. It is a scary world especially when you are a mom. Catch phrase or not, I just raised a daughter, trying to be super mom, sent her to college where I suddenly realized how unprepared she was. She is super smart but lacks common sense or should I say decision making ability? I then realized it was because I made all her decisions for her. I speak only from my own experience. Maybe yours will be different. She has had to have a crash course in reality. She is doing great but I am definitely changing how I do things with the other 2. well, i won't go as far as making every decision for my girls. but i will be that overprotective parent that does everything to keep them out of harm's way. my girls are only 6 and 8 right now, so it's too early to see how everything is going to turn out. you offer good words of wisdom though. i'll just try to do the best i can and hope everything goes well.

thats majority of kids in general. I known serveral over the years like that n see many more now at the college. Its not al lthe parents fault, alot if not most kids think they know more than the parents do. That is until they make it to 30 n fingure out hey mom n dad were right, man if I had just llistened :lol: Well she drives me crazy most of the time :lol: All and all she is a GREAT kid. Does very well in school - nursing program. Time will tell.:cheers:

Well she drives me crazy most of the time :lol: All and all she is a GREAT kid. Does very well in school - nursing program. Time will tell.:cheers: yea my oldest is in college too. :yikes: lord help me :lol:

well, i won't go as far as making every decision for my girls. but i will be that overprotective parent that does everything to keep them out of harm's way. my girls are only 6 and 8 right now, so it's too early to see how everything is going to turn out. you offer good words of wisdom though. i'll just try to do the best i can and hope everything goes well. im not saying its a bad thing that you raise your kids like that, let me start by saying that. I admire it. but in my opinion people are too focused on keeping their kids safe and being loved by them. parents want too bad to re-live their own lives through their children, which is my hypothesis as to why parents want their kids to have a tear free childhood, which boils down to why i think people are having kids at such a young age now. a parent is a totalitarian. you have 18 years to prepare your kid for life. everybody wants to be loved and needs to feel wanted but you cannot have that goal in mind when raising your kids. keeping your kids safe and shelter is more likely to lead to resentment than anything else. Education certainly comes into factor. its not your job to make your kids love you, its your job to love your kids. back on topic though. Kids are not in any more danger on halloween than any other day of the year. if anything they're safer. #1 people KNOW kids will be out trick or treating, they'll be more cautious when driving #2 if a child molester is going to molester some kids, halloween is just logically the wrong time to try it. its one night out of the year, theres plenty of cops out on patrol, parents know what their kids are doing... etc etc. its too predictable. #3 EVERY kids parents know their kids are trick or treating. therefore all the parents have radar mode on. they are on high alert. they've got the cops on speed dial and KNOW to look out for the unusual. #4 more cops are out when it boils down to it the only way to consider halloween dangerous would be to ignore the countless atrocities that happen 364 other days out of the year. you might as well spend a day out of the year chillin in your fallout shelter hoping to survive a surprise apocalypse.

God I hope I grow up before I procreate :D

God I hope I grow up before I procreate :D werd

i think there is no such thing as a happy medium. a parent is either overprotective or negligent. i let my kids fall down and get cuts and bruises, but i don't let them ride outta my sight on their bikes. they aren't totally sheltered, just safe. they don't yet possess the decision making skills that i do, so i think for them. also, i don't treat halloween any different than any other day of the year. i keep tabs on my kids all the time. they are more precious to me than life itself.

yea your right itgirl. its impossible NOT to care about your kids i guess, and ignorance would be the only way you could disregard the "supposed" dangers. maybe its just a matter of turning the TV off and making your own decisions on how to raise a family.

Teach kids to make good decisions. Let them have fun. Be there when they need you. Let them experience life. I don't think there is more danger then there was back then. I do think that kids should travel in groups, with flashlights or reflective gear so motorists can see them. I am more concerned about cavities than razer blades. Would I let a 6 & 8 year old trick or treat alone at night - no. My kids are older. :cheers:

All has to do with the neighborhoods ya live in too. The one I grew up in everyone knew everyone else so we were allowed to roam free :lol: also it was not downtown or rural suburbia either :lol:

yea your right itgirl. its impossible NOT to care about your kids i guess, and ignorance would be the only way you could disregard the "supposed" dangers. maybe its just a matter of turning the TV off and making your own decisions on how to raise a family. FWIW, i do understand your point of view. i yearn for the simplicity of the days gone by as well. it's a shame things have to be the way they are. i'll just do my best to get my kids safely to adulthood. the decisions they make beyond that are their own. hopefully things will turn out the way i want and they will become positive people.

Teach kids to make good decisions. Let them have fun. Be there when they need you. Let them experience life. I don't think there is more danger then there was back then. I do think that kids should travel in groups, with flashlights or reflective gear so motorists can see them. I am more concerned about cavities than razer blades. Would I let a 6 & 8 year old trick or treat alone at night - no. My kids are older. :cheers: what is a good age to let kids go out alone, not just trick or treating but to roam the neighborhood as well on bikes or with friends? how about staying home alone? i don't want to be too overprotective, and since you've already been there. perhaps you can help give me a guideline? i don't wanna start too young or wait too long.

stick ball.

what is a good age to let kids go out alone, not just trick or treating but to roam the neighborhood as well on bikes or with friends? how about staying home alone? i don't want to be too overprotective, and since you've already been there. perhaps you can help give me a guideline? im the oldest and i was being left at home alone by 11 or twelve at least (with two younger sisters). i know cause my family moved when i was ten and i never had a baby sitter at our new house.... considering how i turned out i'd wait till at least thirteen or fourteen.

im the oldest and i was being left at home alone by 11 or twelve at least (with two younger sisters). i know cause my family moved when i was ten and i never had a baby sitter at our new house.... considering how i turned out i'd wait till at least thirteen or fourteen. :lol: i think you have a good head on your shoulders. you should make a good parent someday.

as a parent, i scare the **** out of myself. i love kids too much to have one of my own.

as a parent, i scare the **** out of myself. i love kids too much to have one of my own. it's neat to hear a guy say he loves kids. :dthumb: do you think it is easier for a father to detach from his children? i know being a mother i tend to hover while my husband allows the kids to take more risks. perhaps that's just my maternal instinct kicking in? or am i just uptight? i am curious to see what bfly thinks on this subject too. this thread really took off, didn't it?

what is a good age to let kids go out alone, not just trick or treating but to roam the neighborhood as well on bikes or with friends? how about staying home alone? i don't want to be too overprotective, and since you've already been there. perhaps you can help give me a guideline? i don't wanna start too young or wait too long. It also depends on the kid. Our 10 year old son stays home alone for brief periods of time - while we pick up our daughter from dance, never for more than an hour. Our immediate neighborhood is very small and private on a private road so they have been roaming this neighborhood from age 6 on. As for going outside our immediate neighborhood - they usually travel in packs so there is always a slightly older kid around. That is definitely key - more than one kid so if something happens, the other kid can get help. Age 10 seems to be a magic number. Our 14 year old this year just started getting dropped off at the local starbucks on Friday night to "hang" with her friends. She was allowed to walk to the center of town from school on 1/2 days with groups in 6th grade. Same with her older sister. The 10 year old with go with us and several other families on Halloween night. We will be in the neighborhood streets but not necessarily holding his hand. The 14 year old will be going with friends. They will go to the friend who lives in the best neighborhood, lots of houses and easy to walk from house to house. :cheers:

oops, that was the other p/w'ed thread :D

i have very close friends with babies, and i've now been around 3 kids that have practically grown up around me, the oldest being 6 , the youngest being 4 months. my ex girlfriend just had a baby, and we were dating and friends while her older sister was raising her four kids. personally, yea, i think its easier for a dad to detatch from the kid, mainly because he himself is detatched from the kid. the little guy(girl) didnt come out of us, and i think that is what enables us to be more of an authority figure. but really its not about detatchment, its more about being able to see an individual rather than an extension of ourself.

It also depends on the kid. Our 10 year old son stays home alone for brief periods of time - while we pick up our daughter from dance, never for more than an hour. Our immediate neighborhood is very small and private on a private road so they have been roaming this neighborhood from age 6 on. As for going outside our immediate neighborhood - they usually travel in packs so there is always a slightly older kid around. That is definitely key - more than one kid so if something happens, the other kid can get help. Age 10 seems to be a magic number. Our 14 year old this year just started getting dropped off at the local starbucks on Friday night to "hang" with her friends. She was allowed to walk to the center of town from school on 1/2 days with groups in 6th grade. Same with her older sister. The 10 year old with go with us and several other families on Halloween night. We will be in the neighborhood streets but not necessarily holding his hand. The 14 year old will be going with friends. They will go to the friend who lives in the best neighborhood, lots of houses and easy to walk from house to house. :cheers: :thx2: that seems reasonable. we live on a dead-end road so i just began letting my girls ride their bikes slightly unsupervised (meaning i am not on the front porch watching) up and down the length of our street. i still get nervous if they get outta my sight distance though. i am letting my 8 year old gain more independence, but unfortunately the 6 year old wants to follow along. hopefully that anxious feeling i get when the kids aren't in my immediate presence will lighten up as they and i age. is it because this is still so new for me? i don't want to keep them under my thumb or anything. am i being a responsible parent or overbearing, in your opinion?

but really its not about detatchment, its more about being able to see an individual rather than an extension of ourself. good point. i think that is where the line becomes fuzzy for me at times.

Excellent thread... I knew you had it in you NtS... The truth of the matter is, the streets are really no more dangerous now then they were 10, 20, or even 50 years ago... The difference between then and now is the exchange of information. We now hear about EVERY bad thing that happens to ANY kid with a 1,000 mile radius. You just didn't know there were 20 pedophiles within a 2 mile radius... Think about it. I was taught to make good decisions at an early age. I was allowed to roam the neighborhood unsupervised from probably age 6 on... I had boundries and had to check in at regular intervals, but ultimately I was on my own. I stopped having a baby-sitter after school around age 8... Stopped having baby-sitters completely around 10 or 11... I was allowed to play with fireworks, BB guns, slingshots, potato guns and other dangerous chit unattended about the same time as well... The talk about over-protecting children is an important one... You know the people I knew who were the most out of control when they hit college, were the same guys who had 9pm curfews in HS, were home schooled, weren't allowed to date, and had their parents up their ass for everything. These people were totally unprepared for real life and once they figured out they could do whatever the hell they wanted, they didn't have the decision making skills to not ruin themselves. Substance abuse and other self-destructive habits were HUGE with them... And the girls... within 2 months of being at college... all whores. All of them. (I can honestly think of 5 examples who I can name) I did a lot of bad chit as a kid... I did a lot of really stupid chit... I got caught a few times, but got away with an amazing amount of stuff... I could have killed people and I could have gotten myself killed. However, I learned very good decision making skills that have saved my life and others around me many more times than those close calls I had as a kid. All that being said, the last time I went Trick or Treating I was 17 years old... My buddies and I were all stoned out of our minds and had the munchies... So I put on an old mask and my two buddies wrapped their heads in sweatshirts... :lol: They were 'ninja's. :baha: We got a lot of :skep: and :tt: We also got lazy and quit after about two blocks worth... went to the woods and smoked more dope while eating our candy...

2 years ago over the xmas holiday a 14 year old kid shot the rear passenger window out of my 4runner with a pellet gun as i was sitting at a red light in broad daylight. my 1 year old nephew was sitting in that seat at the time. thank god he was unhurt, it hit the top edge of the window and shattered it but it didn't fall in. i called the cops and they got the kid. apparently it was a group of kids all 13-14 years old shooting at the street at cars. the kid had to pay my deductible, and it took him all of 8 months to get that $$ to me. we are talking about $200 here. he had to work at wendy's to do it. i shoulda had the cash right away. why was i being made to wait? make the parents pay it, it was their negligence. the window cost my insurance co. over a grand to replace. he shoulda had to pay it all. he got off too easy. my point? thank god his parents weren't being overprotective of him and allowed him to make his own decisions to shoot the pellet gun at passing cars. yes, i am being sarcastic. that is what happens when parents aren't accountable for their kids. that is why i am always gonna be overprotective. kids make bad decisions. this kid was lucky, it coulda been alot worse. he shoulda known better though, right? what kinda parenting is that? those parents failed to teach their kids right from wrong. :nonod:

2 years ago over the xmas holiday a 14 year old kid shot the rear passenger window out of my 4runner with a pellet gun as i was sitting at a red light in broad daylight. my 1 year old nephew was sitting in that seat at the time. thank god he was unhurt, it hit the top edge of the window and shattered it but it didn't fall in. i called the cops and they got the kid. apparently it was a group of kids all 13-14 years old shooting at the street at cars. the kid had to pay my deductible, and it took him all of 8 months to get that $$ to me. we are talking about $200 here. he had to work at wendy's to do it. i shoulda had the cash right away. why was i being made to wait? make the parents pay it, it was their negligence. the window cost my insurance co. over a grand to replace. he shoulda had to pay it all. he got off too easy. my point? thank god his parents weren't being overprotective of him and allowed him to make his own decisions to shoot the pellet gun at passing cars. yes, i am being sarcastic. that is what happens when parents aren't accountable for their kids. that is why i am always gonna be overprotective. kids make bad decisions. this kid was lucky, it coulda been alot worse. he shoulda known better though, right? what kinda parenting is that? those parents failed to teach their kids right from wrong. :nonod: That kid may have learned a lesson tho n be our future president. :dthumb:

2 years ago over the xmas holiday a 14 year old kid shot the rear passenger window out of my 4runner with a pellet gun as i was sitting at a red light in broad daylight. my 1 year old nephew was sitting in that seat at the time. thank god he was unhurt, it hit the top edge of the window and shattered it but it didn't fall in. i called the cops and they got the kid. apparently it was a group of kids all 13-14 years old shooting at the street at cars. the kid had to pay my deductible, and it took him all of 8 months to get that $$ to me. we are talking about $200 here. he had to work at wendy's to do it. i shoulda had the cash right away. why was i being made to wait? make the parents pay it, it was their negligence. the window cost my insurance co. over a grand to replace. he shoulda had to pay it all. he got off too easy. my point? thank god his parents weren't being overprotective of him and allowed him to make his own decisions to shoot the pellet gun at passing cars. yes, i am being sarcastic. that is what happens when parents aren't accountable for their kids. that is why i am always gonna be overprotective. kids make bad decisions. this kid was lucky, it coulda been alot worse. he shoulda known better though, right? what kinda parenting is that? those parents failed to teach their kids right from wrong. :nonod: The world's a dangerous place... Not allowing children to make bad decisions and suffer the consequences while they aren't making children of their own, failing at a job, and/or destroying themselves exponentially increases their chances of failing in life. That kid may have learned a lesson tho n be our future president. :dthumb: :iagree:

:nonod: i'm disappointed in you guys. we just had a huge accident in this area where 2 kids, age 14, decided to take the parents' car out after 10pm. well, they were speeding and needless to say, they crashed. the passenger was killed, the driver is alive but serious. he will be charged and most likely be put away after recovering. that kid isn't gonna ben the next great president. he's gonna be inmate #........, another taxpayers burden. is that one of those bad choices that makes a child well-rounded? try explaining your point of view to the parents of the dead 14 year old boy. kids need guidance, and if they fail...they are a failure. that reflects on the parenting as well. failing at a job or at school is just a life experience, one you grow from. taking a gun to the job or school and shooting all the people that are responsible is parental negligence. parents are supposed to teach right from wrong. that would be a failure on both parts.

The examples you gave itgirl are prime examples of kids making a series of bad decisions and not necessarily bad parenting. I can't really comment either way because I don't know the families involved. Example - My Aunt and Uncle are fantastic parents. My 16 year old cousin was killed in car accident outside her school. It was truly an "accident" - no speed or recklessness involved. She had a car full of other kids and she did not put her seatbelt on. A series of bad decisions. My best friend watched her son fight and lose his battle with cancer. He was 21. She is one of the best people I have the pleasure of calling my friend. Her son was best friends with my husband. This had nothing to do with bad decisions - my point here is that bad things happen. I can tell you that one of the things she is most happy about is allowing him to be a kid. Allowing him to have a dirtbike when he was younger and the opportunity to do some of the "reckless" things he was able to do. Kids need a good sense of right and wrong (I have no doubt you have provided that). They also need the opportunity to spread their wings. Hopefully in most cases, the good decisions, morality and values you have instilled in them will stay with them. If you hang on too tight - almost always, failure will follow. Not necessarily major failure, but failure in some manner. :cheers:

Lifetime is ruining women and making them think the world is out to destroy them and their children in every possible situation. Evil No way i could be a nazi parent to my children someday. I was allowed to run free for the most part and i think that had a great impact on who i am. But i also got my ass beat when i got in trouble. Hey im not in jail thats good enough.

Lifetime is ruining women and making them think the world is out to destroy them and their children in every possible situation. Evil No way i could be a nazi parent to my children someday. I was allowed to run free for the most part and i think that had a great impact on who i am. But i also got my ass beat when i got in trouble. Hey im not in jail thats good enough. I seriously doubt that itgirl or I watch lifetime :slol:

since yall wanna talk death heres my view of it. When its your time to go, your gone, doesnt matter how much gear you have on, how well you were raised, how much money you have. You just better have done what you spiritual believe in taken care of. :wink:. I know I do, so I aint worried.:dthumb:

I completely understand where you are coming from. It is a scary world especially when you are a mom. Catch phrase or not, I just raised a daughter, trying to be super mom, sent her to college where I suddenly realized how unprepared she was. She is super smart but lacks common sense or should I say decision making ability? I then realized it was because I made all her decisions for her. I speak only from my own experience. Maybe yours will be different. She has had to have a crash course in reality. She is doing great but I am definitely changing how I do things with the other 2. First off, HOLY CHIT you have a daughter in college already :yikes: Second, I think kids need to have the opportunity to f up. If you keep them from ever making a mistake, they are going to be screwed when they get in the "real" world. I plan on raising my kids (if/when i have some) like my parents raised me. A lot of freedoms, but a lot of known responsibility as well. I never had a curfue, but I knew that I had to help with chores in the morning, so no matter if i got home at 10 pm or 4 am, i had to be up by 6:30 for chores. I had to work for everything I got, never had anything handed to me, and that's a big problem I see today. Parents buy 16 y/o a BRAND NEW car, and then wonder why they don't respect it, or anything else. My parents owned a car that I could drive when I needed to during HS. THEY decided when I needed to or not. It was a 1983 Olds Cutlass Cierra Diesel, did 0-60 in a minuite flat, and reverse did not work in the tranny. When I went off to college, I had to buy my own vehicle. They would co-sign if needed (didn't need to) but no monitary help. I don't know... I like the way I was raised, with respect, good learning, and common sense. and I HATE all these rich snobs running around today. :2cents:

I am so depressed at thinking that Halloween is all but dead. not for us grown up kids that will continue to get drunk and party october 31st until the end of time, but for real kids. It has become so commercialized that its hard to imagine what it will be like for our kids kids. for example. Children are now urged to follow a certain route. what ever happened to running from house to house, jumping fences, dodging other kids, getting lost, and basically just going crazy? thats how we did it, and i cant imagine any other type of trick or treating. Costumes are all prefabricated crap. What happened to our hobos? our foot ball players? our zombies? our ninja turtles (the ones with a pillow stuffed in the back of a shirt, a green face, and a brown sock with holes, not the cheap plastic mask and a plastic sword)... Give me the mummies, ghosts, witches, cowboys, vampires, and other home grown costumes of yesterday. You can keep your mass produced spongebob outfits, your million spider mans, your countless media driven costumes. "okay now let me and your father check your candy" Bull****. my candy was hidden and hidden and then some. if mom thought she was gonna get that candy from me it was from my cold dead chocolaty hands. I was still eating candy cigarettes, smarties, tootsie rolls and good and plenty's two months after halloween when all the good candy ran out. Apples with razor blades? **** that, when we got apples they were either thrown at younger kids or each other, if i wanted an apple i'd ask mom. she'd **** a brick and buy a whole bushel. Trick or treat before dark what the **** is the point of this? seriously? i dont get it. we might as well only have christmas only when its not snowing. wear bright clotes, have flashlights, wear reflective tape lets just make our already gay costumes that much gayer kids. I cant keep doin this, but i know you people have much to add to this list, speak up. My very first costume dates back to my Grandmother as a child, when she would sew home-made costumes. I went as a gypsy lol. Those types of things ROCK. You should come out here to trick or treat w/ me :) Theres a hosue on my st. that gives spiked cider to the parents of the kids while the kids trick or treat...they actually tailgate (the parents) w/ barbeque grills and everything. Pretty awesome!

I like hot chicks that dress up as sluts or strippers... and then follow thru :wink:

Halloween is great now because all the girls dress up as various forms of whores and have no inhibitions. yankees are the best team in baseball. :baha: yea my oldest is in college too. :yikes: lord help me :lol: What's her #? God I hope I grow up before I procreate :D :withstupi On topic though, yeah, I hate the modern way of thinking with regards to kids/parenting/competition/etc. Makes me sick. The kids are all going to grow up to be a bunch of softies and have a stiff does of reality when they hit the real world.

What the F#*K is this thread about?

What the F#*K is this thread about? KILL IT:nkick:

KILL IT:nkick: :yesnod: http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/PDT_tit.gif

:yesnod: http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/PDT_tit.gif Oh yes, definitely kill a thread with 58 active posts, no personal attacks and lively discussion even if it moved slightly off track. Just like the TV - if you don't like it, the go to thread more to your liking. :cheers: Unless of course you like to moderate CFOT style. :idk: Please don't ban me :leaving:

Oh yes, definitely kill a thread with 58 active posts, no personal attacks and lively discussion even if it moved slightly off track. Just like the TV - if you don't like it, the go to thread more to your liking. :cheers: Unless of course you like to moderate CFOT style. :idk: Please don't ban me :leaving: http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/markgraves138/smilies/banned.gif I'm kidding. Relax.

Oh yes, definitely kill a thread with 58 active posts, no personal attacks and lively discussion even if it moved slightly off track. Just like the TV - if you don't like it, the go to thread more to your liking. :cheers: Unless of course you like to moderate CFOT style. :idk: Please don't ban me :leaving: You'll learn that mods don't do a whole lot of banning and/or thread killing around here... Unless the thread is totally retarded and/or someone is warned repeatedly. :twfrox:

You'll learn that mods don't do a whole lot of banning and/or thread killing around here... Unless the thread is totally retarded and/or someone is warned repeatedly. :twfrox: i say close the thread, what a stupid topic.

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i say close the thread, what a stupid topic. Yer such a dick... I think that's why I like you.

Yer such a dick... I think that's why I like you. nuthin wrong with a little man love, i always say. you guys remember halloween in school? where we all went on parade in our costumes and got to go home early because our mom was a freak about participating in school stuff? do they even do that anymore? i remember we used to go for like a 2 mile walk down a busy road with like 300 kids dressed up in loose clothing from which they could barely see out of. nobody ever got hurt, we were all cool ... cept for little jimmy when he dressed like a mummy and got sucked into the wood chipper.

nuthin wrong with a little man love, i always say. you guys remember halloween in school? where we all went on parade in our costumes and got to go home early because our mom was a freak about participating in school stuff? do they even do that anymore? i remember we used to go for like a 2 mile walk down a busy road with like 300 kids dressed up in loose clothing from which they could barely see out of. nobody ever got hurt, we were all cool ... cept for little jimmy when he dressed like a mummy and got sucked into the wood chipper. We paraded around the school... I think they still do that... There's a school not too far away from me and I think I remember seeing a mess of kids on the playground in full costume...

I was at an Elem. School yesterday...they still do it.

I was at an Elem. School yesterday...they still do it. Sick perverted bastard.

at least they still have the scary movie marathons. i've been watching amc and bravo constantly

What the F#*K is this thread about? :whore:

it was a good thread while it lasted. lots of interesting points of view. i love stuff like this. i'll stop dragging it off topic now though. :thx2: everyone for the lively discussion. :dthumb:

My kids were lucky in a way. They went through their "Halloween years" living on a Navy Base on a Cul-de-sac. They pretty much had a curfew and stayed outside all day. Any wacky crap and I'd know about it quick-All the neighbors were in the same boat. There was always one of us guys on cruise for extended periods and the other families would step up. Halloween was always after dark and I loved taking the kids around. After trick or treat was over we'd have a Halloween block party. Where I live now they have regulated hours-and I hardly ever see any kids anymore. Most kids are taken to the mall to trick or treat.:gary: We turn off the lights/move our cars to the back and go out to eat during trick or treat times.

my goal is to protect the innocence of my children. if that makes me some 'helicopter parent' or whatever the latest catchphrase is, so be it. things ain't like they used to be. teachers are molesting students, there's pedophiles in every neighborhood etc. kids can't just be kids anymore. sounds like a watchful eye is necessary nowadays. i think thats always been there though, we are just more exposed to it and worry about it. having said that i grew up trick or treating in the late 80's to mid 90's and my parents would walk with me from house to house until was 12 (that would have been 1996), and we would check the candy too. Kids were still wearing store bought costumes back then, although usually my mom and her friends would sew them for us. I grew up in a suburban small (45,000 at the time, 55k now) town and we still had 17-21 year olds paintballing kids trick or treating, smashing pumpkins. Mostly the seniors on the football team and all the dumb-a$$es who didn't go off to college.

When i went trick or treating as a kid, I only hit probalby a dozen houses, and put on about 40+ miles doing it. Closest neighbor was 1 1/2 miles away! :lol:

it was a good thread while it lasted. lots of interesting points of view. i love stuff like this. i'll stop dragging it off topic now though. :thx2: everyone for the lively discussion. :dthumb: is this thread officially licked? . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictures/japaneseeatcats.jpg -a|ex

Sick perverted bastard. :slol: I was shooting a story, jerkoff.

:slol: I was shooting loads on little kids, jerkoff. seems like a wild story. In other news a grown man found on playground during halloween wearing nothing but an over coat full of candy, he only calimed his name was marko. :idk:

seems like a wild story. In other news a grown man found on playground during halloween wearing nothing but an over coat full of candy, he only calimed his name was marko. :idk: That was low, buddy. Low.

Too many children are overprotected as kids. One of my pledge brothers had an 8:30 bedtime all of the way through High school. Now, being in college he has gone absolutely nuts. Last night I had to sit him down and talk to him about drinking too much and too often. Its honestly pretty pathetic. Parents who put their kids in a bubble are actaully hurting them because the don't know how to function on their own.

Too many children are overprotected as kids. One of my pledge brothers had an 8:30 bedtime all of the way through High school. Now, being in college he has gone absolutely nuts. Last night I had to sit him down and talk to him about drinking too much and too often. Its honestly pretty pathetic. Parents who put their kids in a bubble are actaully hurting them because the don't know how to function on their own. Those are usually the ones who lose it. The ones who are WAY over protected. Then get on their own at college and blow their stack.

True I got all my drinkin out of the wat in junior high... j/k But your right, thats why I like to hook up with sheltered lil catholic girls. They love a good party! Sorry for the low blow marko, I kid becasue I care... really I do.

Those are usually the ones who lose it. The ones who are WAY over protected. Then get on their own at college and blow their stack. :iagree: they always have trouble adjusting.

:iagree: on all counts. :iagree: It's sad... so sad. And let me add WTF is up with "trick or treating" in big retail stores, or the mall? And trick-or-treating the weekend BEFORE Halloween rather than ON Oct 31st!

DUH dont ya know it to throw all the sexual predators off, from hiding date rape and razor blades in the kids candy. And cuz people think bad things happen on all hollows eve, it is supposta be the night of the dead. "Would you like to tell us what you are doing here today?" http://www.pantagraph.com/content/articles/2007/04/10/freetime/doc46143021cbbe6513566147.jpg

Here's another bitch.... Daylight savings time is extended, so trick or treating will be done mostly in the daylight now :(

:iagree: It's sad... so sad. And let me add WTF is up with "trick or treating" in big retail stores, or the mall? And trick-or-treating the weekend BEFORE Halloween rather than ON Oct 31st! our trick or treat night was the 23rd. we always trick or treat the tuesday before the halloween parade, which is always the 3rd thursday of october. it was the 25th this year. i know it's weird, but it's tradition. been that way since time began in small town hanover, PA. we recently had an arizona transplant write into our local paper telling us we should change our age old tradition to suit her, because apparently the rest of the nation does it on halloween (obviously). well, the locals absolutely crucified her for even suggesting such a thing. personally, i don't care either way as long as my kids get candy.

thats why I like to hook up with sheltered lil catholic girls. They love a good party! That is incredibly true. Its not just a joke that the catholic girls are the best.

That is incredibly true. Its not just a joke that the catholic girls are the best. I know i wasnt lieing.. my parents forced me to go to a catholic school for awhile, since we were catholic. But being a public school kid i was a bad ass there, and the chicks LOVED it. So I know all about it. Good times with my misled youth.

Catholic girls... and their tiny little mustache... Catholic girls... So I did the majority of the goodbye's to my family today... As I was driving around my home town there were a good many trick-or-treat'ers... VERY pathetic... All of them had terrible costumes... you could tell nobody put any thought into them at all... Makes me want to buy chitty candy and some good candy... give the chitty stuff to the kids with :gary: costumes and the good stuff to kids with good costumes... Seriously, at least 20% of them weren't wearing ANY costumes... :wtf: is the point... No wonder people put razor blades in Halloween candy.

No wonder people put razor blades in Halloween candy. Thats probably the worst thing i've ever heard in my life.

So I did the majority of the goodbye's to my family today... As I was driving around my home town there were a good many trick-or-treat'ers... VERY pathetic... All of them had terrible costumes... you could tell nobody put any thought into them at all... Makes me want to buy chitty candy and some good candy... give the chitty stuff to the kids with :gary: costumes and the good stuff to kids with good costumes... Seriously, at least 20% of them weren't wearing ANY costumes... :wtf: is the point... No wonder people put razor blades in Halloween candy. :yikes: omg what a good idea. when kids come trick or treating you have like 5 different levels of candy goodness and you get to judge everybody's costume it could range from like smarties or mexican candy up to a king size snickers or something crazy. what a power trip. plus you could include drinking!

Thats probably the worst thing i've ever heard in my life. Hey man, every 15 year old kid that doesn't wear a costume get's a razorblade... Sounds fair to me. :yikes: omg what a good idea. when kids come trick or treating you have like 5 different levels of candy goodness and you get to judge everybody's costume it could range from like smarties or mexican candy up to a king size snickers or something crazy. what a power trip. plus you could include drinking! There was a house in my grandma's neighborhood that used to do that... They also went apechit and always set up a killer mini-haunted house that lead from their fenced in front yard, through their house, and out the back... You got your candy in the back of the house... Real little kids were taken directly to the back and not through the house.... It was AWESOME!!!!!!!!

Does anyone have pictures of his/her costume?

Does anyone have pictures of his/her costume? I'm assuming this implies that you may have pictures of yours, in which case I demand that you disply them immediately.

I'm assuming this implies that you may have pictures of yours, in which case I demand that you disply them immediately. I was curious what everyone else decided to dress up as. I know you didn't sit home. Share.

I was curious what everyone else decided to dress up as. I know you didn't sit home. Share. I will as soon as I finish it and wear it.

I was going to go to a halloween party, but then we started playing flippy cup at our house before we were going to leave at 12 or 1. Sooo we started playing flippy cup at like 10. Stopped at midnight and i just fuked around for a while before I finally passed out after drunk posting for a bit.

i hate holidays... -a|ex

i hate holidays... -a|ex Grinch.

i hate holidays... -a|ex :withstupi

:withstupi You wouldn't.

I was curious what everyone else decided to dress up as. I know you didn't sit home. Share. I didn't dress up. Unless you count dressing up as a red sox fan.

You wouldn't. bah humbug, its gotten to commercialized n lost its true meaning. I mean ppl crying a nativity scene is offensive to them...........

Grinch. not for those reasons... it has to do with comerce. no one makes things anymore, it's all store bought. anything worthwhile keeping are items created by hand from those you know. what holds value, a store bought holiday card or one that was made from scratch? my daughter makes her own cards (with my help). we have a collection of old costumes that my kids would alter to make unique ones from. xmas is much worse. as a roman catholic, i argue with my wife on how to celebrate christmas. wtf is with decorating the bloody house with fake lighted icles? electricity isn't cheap. but, i gots to suck it up for the kid's sake. -a|ex

not for those reasons... it has to do with comerce. no one makes things anymore, it's all store bought. anything worthwhile keeping are items created by hand from those you know. what holds value, a store bought holiday card or one that was made from scratch? my daughter makes her own cards (with my help). we have a collection of old costumes that my kids would alter to make unique ones from. xmas is much worse. as a roman catholic, i argue with my wife on how to celebrate christmas. wtf is with decorating the bloody house with fake lighted icles? electricity isn't cheap. but, i gots to suck it up for the kid's sake. -a|ex I understand. I was mostly givin you a hard time.

Srsly guys....lets see those costumes!

Does anyone have pictures of his/her costume? :idk: Somehow I failed to take ANY pics from the party Friday. I was a gothic/Victorian Vampire..... it was actually really cool... I was pleased with how it turned out (I put it all together myself; didn't go the pre-packaged route). And now there are at least three good friends of mine walking around with severe bite marks on their neck (who knew? Ya show up at a party wearing fangs, and everyone decides they want to be bitten! :idk: ) We're dressing up again Wednesday night, so I'll take pics then. :D

No pics yet. There might be some that show up today. :idk: I didnt take my camera to the party. Knowing me, I'd get drunk and forget it there or drop it and break it or something.

Knowing me, I'd get drunk and forget it there or drop it and break it or something. :iagree: I'm amazed I didn't break an ankle, roaming around drunk in 4" heels all night. :lol:

i did stay home... party at my place :wink: :cheers: dressed up as a cowboy, cause it was free and easy. wore a duster, cause it was cold outside (had a bonfire) and a cowboy hat, cause it was there.

i went the same route Nee did, but less Victorian, more Van Helsing type...it was fun, I got really realistic fangs, they friggin rawked!! And everyone wanted to get bit...:lol:

i went the same route Nee did, but less Victorian, more Van Helsing type...it was fun, I got really realistic fangs, they friggin rawked!! And everyone wanted to get bit...:lol: and she looke HAWT..:yikes: never really got into the halloween thing.. :idk:

And everyone wanted to get bit...:lol: :baha: isnt' that the strangest damned thing? :idk: Two years ago, it was the handcuffs (everyone wanted to be 'arrested').. this year the fangs, everyone wants to get bitten. :lol:

It looks like here in Columbus, some of the Trick or Treat'ing will be done after dark... 6-8pm in a lot of places... that's pretty cool.

It looks like here in Columbus, some of the Trick or Treat'ing will be done after dark... 6-8pm in a lot of places... that's pretty cool. Same here in Cleveland. IT's awesome..although it was a lil' lighter out than I would have liked. However, good thing w/ having kids...I get eat more than half the "loot" :)

Same here in Cleveland. IT's awesome..although it was a lil' lighter out than I would have liked. However, good thing w/ having kids...I get eat more than half the "loot" :) i'm especially lucky. my kids opt for the sugary crap, like the smarties and such. so i pretty much have free reign over the chocolate. gotta love the way that worked out.

I did trick or treat last night in the suburbs, and i had an epiphany. much of it was just like how i remembered, and it made me happy. I think i realized i was just being a cynical nostalgic little bitch. only thing that pissed me off was half the kids were too timid to say trick or treat. they learned quick though. no trick or treat, no candy.