First time biker

I wanted to get a bike for a year now, now im starting to kinda moving foward, im taking permit test this week, and when do i take those courses, after i get my bike? im looking at 2005 R6 from dealer, i never drove one before but i really want an r6, i was lookin at R6s for past 3 month but used ones not that cheap here in Seattle, if u would say its too fast for me, well my friend never drove b4 either and went bought new gsr600 and drove it home for the first time ever...and one more Q, how do I protect it from being stolen in apartments? post some links with security stuff. thank you

MSF before anything else

get a used bike.. itll get droped or layed down in the first year.. even if its just tipped over in the garage.. youll be less mad to make a cheaper repair on a less expensie biek then have a 05 R6 with broken plastics. And for security, get a cover, lock the cover on, then lock the bike to somehtign at the apatrmtnet thats not movable... then if u want more, do disc locks, lever locks or a alarm system, or a combo of em if your that worried. You can get a tilt snesor on a bike alarm to set it off if the bikes knocked down or even set upright. But first and formost go take a MSF class..... u cna do written test first.. but dont ride till u get that class done.. its a weekend class and gives ya aobut 10 hours seat itme on a lgihter bike u dont have ot woryr aobut hurting. It'll give ya skills and teach u to learn on your own.. that class will save your life.. EVERY rider here thats decent will tell ya u shouldnt ride till u take it

New vs used is a endless debate. A R6 will be a great bike for ya. Take er easy, take a MSF coarse and find some good guys to ride with that will help ya learn! But whatever you do, DON'T BE A SQUID! :D

FRAME SLIDERS. and personally i would get the 05 zx636r just because it is fully loaded this yeah. but to each his own. the most expensive scorpio alarm and chain it to the cement inside of a garage. if they want it they will get it as they always say. personally i would get a fist floor apt. and pull it in the apt. if not make sure u get insured.

msf course, no matter what ! u'll b glad you did !! www.msf-usa.org an r6 is a great bike, there's no doubt, just be careful on it. its a beast with alot of power for a beginner that you just never realized is there until you grab a handful of throttle and realize you are or could have been on ur arse in a heartbeat. u might consider a pre owened r6...insurance is less, and the depreciation factor is significantly less. :pat:

Someone who has never ridden before has NO buisness on a new R6, period. Buy a used 500, or at most a early to mid 90's 600...didn't we JUST have this same conversation with bulldogdefensive? We need a standing noob sticky about what kind of bike to buy if there isn't already one... AS far as apt security, like ScottSellers said, as much as you can do, def a cover, a disk lock is great too, if you have something to chain it to, even better...after that, if somebody wants your bike, they are going to take it, a bike that is out in the open can be tossed in the back of a pickup by a couple guys in a minute and be gone, so above all, if you are that worried, get it insured... :bthorse: :bthorse: :bthorse: :bthorse: :bthorse: :bthorse:

I do not have anything to add to this since everyone has already said it and its been said many times over here on TWF. Do a search for protection or security and yoo will find threads all about this topic. Welcome to TWF as well and ride smart. :thumbs:

Hey Triton, I completely understand your lust for an R6. I have always wanted one, too. However, I am too short and had to find something that suited my features. Didn't make me happy, but I wound up with something I love. My point would be to really consider what you want for a first bike. The R6 is gorgeous, and you'd probably look really good on one, however, I have to agree with those who have said it probably isn't the best choice for a first bike. Yea, you'll drop it, but bodywork can be fixed. I think the most important aspect to consider, and please listen to those of us who have been riding for a while, is that as a beginner, when you get nervous and panic, the first thing you will do is grab a handful of throttle. I can tell you right now, you DON'T want to do that on an R6. Every beginner thinks that riding is so cool and fun, and tend to ignore the other sides of it. It really takes a while before you are comfortable with your bike and understand the physics of it. And during that time, you WILL make mistakes, there's no two ways around it. If you came into our shop wanting to buy a bike like that, I would seriously steer you away from it. You will have plenty of time later in your riding career to own that gorgeous R6. In the meantime, seriously think about something a little older and less powerful. You will thank yourself later, and your R6 will be much more enjoyable when you finally work your way up to it. Just my :2cents:

I agree with everyone who says an R6 is too much bike for your first bike. They have a LOT of power for a 600 and will easily pull a power wheelie if you grab too much throttle. Yeah, I know you think you can control it because your friend bought a brand new gsxr600. So if he can do it, then obviously you can too, right? :rolleyes: How long has he been riding that gsxr 600? How long have YOU been riding a bike? How old are you? Trust me, the R6 is too much bike for a person that's never ridden a motorcycle in his life, regardless of age. You have plenty of time in your life to move up, so take your time and start slow. You can easily get a used 500 or OLDER 600 really cheap, and then still sell it later and not really lose much money. And to be honest, I wouldn't think of it as "losing" money because you GAINED something from the experience. Besides, you'll lose a LOT more on a brand new bike just in depreciation alone. Of course, you might say, "well, what if I wreck that used bike and insurance won't cover it and I'm out the whole amount?" To that I say, "well what if you wreck that brand new R6 in the first few months?" I can promise that you won't have paid enough on it to cover depreciation if you dump it that early.

I think as you can see and read, many of us here were in your situation back when. Most of us are giving you advice from personal experience and sorrow. You will drop that first bike, not long after you get it. It will happen. And you will probably not be lucky enough to tell some awsome story how you made some Matt Mladin moves before you went down. It will more than likely be a slow speed incident where you will hit a patch of gravel or slick spot and will be down before you can say "AW *****" or you will miss judge a turn onto your street or into your drive. I even dropped a bike once in my driveway. The point is, get a good solid used bike you can learn on. Go take at least 1 rider course to learn the basics. Then work your way up to the bike you want. I bought a 600 F4i to learn on before I jump to a liter bike, and I have had a MC license for 30 years. I knew a sportbike was an entirely different machine from my cruisers, so I am going to learn how to ride it before I step up to the big bikes, because I want to keep all my fingers, toes, arms and legs attached.

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, as I haven't tipped yet. I say yet, because I know it is only a matter of time before it occurs. I'm not naive enough to think otherwise. That being said, I am still glad I decided to learn on an used bike. For one, I was less nervous about dropping it, so that made my learning experience less stressful. It was also a huge money saver buying used (bike itself and insurance). The money I saved allowed me to get some decent riding gear, which is a must. Now that I'm looking to upgrade I already have the gear so that won't figure into my next bike purchase. I know how powerful the draw is to a new bike, but I agree with everyone else. If you still insist on new, make sure it's a toned down bike, because there is no need to start off with so much power.

OOOPS dont flame me but my first streetbike was a zx636r. although i will not recomend it or any other race bike to somone who has never rode anything on two wheels b4. i have been on 2 wheels since i was a young one. and i dont know what ppls opinions are on dirt bike experience helping out with the street but as far as riding i have been fine. it is just the other drivers i have to look out for now. forgot to add. and yes you will drop it or wreck it no matter how you look at it. i thought it would not happen to me and what do ya know i was driving home at about 35mph and i seen the lady waiting to pull out but guess what, she sure as **** didnt see me, right as i was driving by she just pulled out and there wasd enough time to do a massive stoppie that pretty much saved my forks and frame and whell but killed most of the plastic. as i stated earlier even if you see the other ppl and they dont look like there gonna do something stupid there is a good chance that they might. but its all fixed and i got some good stuff out of the whole thing so :cheers:

it all comes down to responsible riding...if you think you're man enough to ride an r6, as your first bike, then more power to you...but too many times, new riders on bikes like this tend to become statistics in many ways, as well raise insurance our insurance rates beyond belief..which is why we all preach starting out on smaller bikes... there's no rush, you can ride motorcycles forever, so do it right and do it safe..u'll be glad u did. But bear in mind, as we have all mentioned, its just a beast ride that new riders generally are not prepared for. I mean, lets face it, when you get on the throttle of Ninja 500, its alot easier to control and keep the front wheel in contact with the road, then with an r6, which is built for pure, adreline pumping, ball$ to the wall speed in the 600 class. Remember, its not if you will down, its WHEN you will down. It's just part of riding that we all have felt at some point, in some way, and most of us, more times than we care to admit.

MSF...GIT-R-DUN....and listen to the advice already given....buy used to learn and then look at a new bike after you get some experience. :bash: And Welcome to TWF... :dthumb:

do they provide u with a bike on the courses? I like the R6 and i dont want to ride anything elze cuz most of them look ugly, my friends started with gsrRs, CBRs, R6s, and they never rode and old bike, the reason i want to get new one is becouse i cant find used one for right price ( if u find me one, i'll be very happy) and now i can only afford monthly payments about 500-700$ a month, and i dont want to wait. And ppl been tellin me that r6 is good choice, just be very carefull, even if i will wreck it, i have friends who own body shops. P.S. I'm 19, 6"2, I bet half of the bikers didnt start with old light bikes, and i understand everything what u guys said, but i like R6 and only it! FInd me used R6 and i'll be glad!

First off, the R6 is a good bike.... I understand what Desmo is saying....that it's alot of speed. But let's state some facts. The % leans towards you going down within the first season. So he's saying don't waste the money on a new one. $500-$700 a month???? Your payment on a new liter bike would only be a few hundred if financed for 5 years...remember, we're only talkin 11K or so for a liter bike. So a used 600cc bike would be REAL cheap!!!! The interest rates usually suck on all bikes, regardless to new or used, reason being that, they are recreational vechicles. Did we start on smaller/slower/or used bikes??? Some of us like N4S are still on slow bikes, :lol: , and alot of us did. I started on a used Kawasaki Ninja EX500. Got it cheap, rode it for 3 years and then sold it for my '02 Ninja ZX-9R! REMEMBER, IT'S NOT WILL YOU GO DOWN BUT WHEN!!!!

now i can only afford monthly payments about 500-700$ a month, WOW! :here: You should get one of these I wish i had that kind of money for bike :nonod:

I want to pay that much becouse I dont want any intrest on it and want to pay off as soon as possible, used bike cheap? 2002-2004, average 5-7500 miles on it, cost 6-7 K, new r6 = 8,500 +TX, no big diff, plus u'll be the first owner and will know that this bike wont fell off a part on the street...

Did we start on smaller/slower/or used bikes??? Some of us like N4S are still on slow bikes, :lol: , and alot of us did. Count me in that group. I came close several times to owning something else, but never followed through.

Just don't forget to factor in the insurance costs on that new R6. Be sure to call BEFORE buying so that you know exactly how much you're going to pay. Also, if you buy new, you can get the Yamaha credit card program (if you're credit is sufficient) and they charge 4.9/mo for 24 mos. By the time you figure in taxes, you're looking at somewhere around 350/mo to pay it off in that 24 mos (more $$ if you get the extended warranty). That's if you finance EVERY penny. BTW, dealer invoice on that brand new R6 is about 7400, just to give you a little bargaining power. Of course, the dealer will want to make money so he'll add in bike prep, etc. However, with it being a brand new model that's had some serious revisions, you may not be able to talk him down much. One other tactic if he doesn't want to come off sticker much is to try and get a free helmet, jacket, etc. Those items are usually marked up alot, so you can save some extra money and he isn't giving up quite so much on the bike. ;) But I still think you should start small.

FRAME SLIDERS. and personally i would get the 05 zx636r just because it is fully loaded this yeah. but to each his own. the most expensive scorpio alarm and chain it to the cement inside of a garage. if they want it they will get it as they always say. personally i would get a fist floor apt. and pull it in the apt. if not make sure u get insured. Okay, now I'm confused. What is "fully loaded"??? Does it have leather seats, Air conditioning, power windows, sunroof, Onstar, CD Changer, Dual climate control, power mirrors??? What's a fully loaded sportbike? Secondly, if he had a garage in which to chain it to the cement floor, he wouldn't be asking the question in the first place. I am not real crazy about leaving my bike outside, of course not crazy enough to drive it into my aparment at night either. I would chain it to a steel pole or something outside and disc lock the tires front/rear. But on a greater note, let me give you a little financial advice. Stop renting that apartment, your throwing your money away. Get a no down payment home loan and buy a house or condo with a garage. You'll be so much happier in five years when the bike is paid off and you have actually invested that money in a house you could own verses an apartment that some low-life-land-lord has been getting rich off you. If you can afford another $500-$700 a month for a toy, buy your toy over 4-5 years and pay $100 or so and invest the extra four in something. The interest you pay over five years on a bike verses the interest you could make investing 300-400 a month for five years, you could crash and replace that R6 three times over and still come out on top. Oh Yeah, I almost forgot, The R6 Rocks! I have an '02, they're awesome! But, no, this wasn't my first bike, started with an old (old to me means 1971) heavy 500 Kawasaki. Upgraded to a midrange Yamaha FZR 600, then recently bought the R6. Yes it is a lot of bike for a newbie. But if you pass the MSF, feel comfortable on a bike, and are mature about it and don't go thinking you are evil knevial the first weekend you drive home, you'll be fine. Exercise a little caution and don't try to hang with guys riding wheelies through school zones and you'll be okay. If you don't feel comfortable and still want one, maybe a used 600 or 500 will be the way to go. Plus a used bike will be cheaper insurance. Your 19 in an apartment and worried about it getting stolen which makes me think you may not be in the best neighborhood. You may want to call on insurance and get a quote, you may be unpleasantly surprised.

You may want to call on insurance and get a quote, you may be unpleasantly surprised. Any bets on what his quote will be for full coverage? I'm thinking in the range of 1500/year to 2000/year, depending on limits of liability, etc.

I wanted to get a bike for a year now, now im starting to kinda moving foward, im taking permit test this week, and when do i take those courses, after i get my bike? im looking at 2005 R6 from dealer, i never drove one before but i really want an r6, i was lookin at R6s for past 3 month but used ones not that cheap here in Seattle, if u would say its too fast for me, well my friend never drove b4 either and went bought new gsr600 and drove it home for the first time ever...and one more Q, how do I protect it from being stolen in apartments? post some links with security stuff. thank you how old r u ??? just curious b/c u mentioned a PERMIT i am also getting one but i am only 16 u probably shouldent get and R6 if u are 16 that was one of the bike i whanted to but these guys will talk u out of it :dthumb:

Someone who has never ridden before has NO buisness on a new R6, period. Buy a used 500, or at most a early to mid 90's 600...didn't we JUST have this same conversation with bulldogdefensive? We need a standing noob sticky about what kind of bike to buy if there isn't already one... AS far as apt security, like ScottSellers said, as much as you can do, def a cover, a disk lock is great too, if you have something to chain it to, even better...after that, if somebody wants your bike, they are going to take it, a bike that is out in the open can be tossed in the back of a pickup by a couple guys in a minute and be gone, so above all, if you are that worried, get it insured... :bthorse: :bthorse: :bthorse: :bthorse: :bthorse: :bthorse: hey i admit it was stupid but i reasoned into the svs or the gsf 500 so :chill: :dthumb:

do they provide u with a bike on the courses? I like the R6 and i dont want to ride anything elze cuz most of them look ugly, my friends started with gsrRs, CBRs, R6s, and they never rode and old bike, the reason i want to get new one is becouse i cant find used one for right price ( if u find me one, i'll be very happy) and now i can only afford monthly payments about 500-700$ a month, and i dont want to wait. And ppl been tellin me that r6 is good choice, just be very carefull, even if i will wreck it, i have friends who own body shops. P.S. I'm 19, 6"2, I bet half of the bikers didnt start with old light bikes, and i understand everything what u guys said, but i like R6 and only it! FInd me used R6 and i'll be glad! well the MSF does provide everything you need except for shoes and shirt and glovesso take that and get the R6 if u whant i whant one too but the insurance is way expencive compaired to the gsf500 PS: if you are so hooked on the R6 check out some suzukis they are good looking to go to http://www.suzukicycles.com/products/GS500FK5/Default.aspx and look at the other bikes too !!!! they are all nice :thumbs:

how old r u ??? just curious b/c u mentioned a PERMIT i am also getting one but i am only 16 u probably shouldent get and R6 if u are 16 that was one of the bike i whanted to but these guys will talk u out of it :dthumb: Any new motorcycle rider has to hold a motorcycle permit for at least one month prior to testing for their license, regardless of age, at least in Indiana. In other words, even if you've had your driver's license for 20 years, you still have to get a motorcycle permit before getting a motorcycle license.

hmmmm i dident know that i am getting the permit anyway most likly since i dont whant to wait another month or two to get my cage licence if you take the MSF you dont have to take the test at DMV you just take the written test then u get the licence :dthumb:

if you take the MSF you dont have to take the test at DMV you just take the written test then u get the licence :dthumb: Yep. And that's because the test at the DMV was designed by MSF. ;) The DMV riding test is waived if you pass the MSF because you already DID everything that is in the DMV test and more.

Yep. And that's because the test at the DMV was designed by MSF. ;) The DMV riding test is waived if you pass the MSF because you already DID everything that is in the DMV test and more. i heard the DMV test is way hard so i am definatly going to pass (i will be so happy if i am head of the class) you do get like graded right ????

Are you talking about the written test or the riding test? Take the MSF course before you go into the DMV and you should have learned all you need to know in order to pass the written test. You could also just drop by the DMV and pick up the motorcycle licensing booklet. I'm not sure when you're taking the MSF course, but if you get the booklet before that, you could read it and be a little bit ahead of the game. If there's something that you don't understand in the booklet, you can have it noted and ask one of the instructors to clarify it for you.

Oh, and you'll get graded at the MSF on the driving test and the written test. Then you'll get graded on the DMV written test as well.

ok...in Wa everybody has to pass written test and DMV or MSF test I share the apart. i pay 200$ so I save some money here. If u really in to it and have the talent u can even start with R1 if u believe in urself, bears learn how to drive bycycles they didnt start with tricycles? so I can start with R6! And nothing will protect u from falling, only God can guard u on that bike if u trust him. anyways, Im' gonna get R6 no matter what, if u guys will help me find used one that would be great, otherwise im getting new one of the dealer, I already checked it out couple times, it cost 8,500 + TX so a bout 10,000$, but i didnt try to talk him down, will do that next time...i'll pya it off in less then two years and im not plannin on gettin insurance I think it will be expensive, i have 7 tickets on my driving record, so i'll just get health insurance for medical bills in case i fall. for security i have covered parking so i can lock it to that poles, how much disk locks cost?

If u really in to it and have the talent u can even start with R1 if u believe in urself, bears learn how to drive bycycles they didnt start with tricycles? so I can start with R6! And nothing will protect u from falling, only God can guard u on that bike if u trust him. anyways, Im' gonna get R6 no matter what, if u guys will help me find used one that would be great, otherwise im getting new one of the dealer, I already checked it out couple times, it cost 8,500 + TX so a bout 10,000$, but i didnt try to talk him down, will do that next time...i'll pya it off in less then two years and im not plannin on gettin insurance I think it will be expensive, i have 7 tickets on my driving record, so i'll just get health insurance for medical bills in case i fall. for security i have covered parking so i can lock it to that poles, how much disk locks cost? Damn, I don't know where to start. :crazy: A guy can train a bear to ride a bicycle, so any human being should be able to learn how to ride a motorcycle regardless of the power of said motorcycle. Ok, keep believing that. $1500 in taxes??? I hope you aren't serious. But let's just say that you end up financing 10K for 24 months. At 4.9% int rate, your payment would be $438.27. At 6% int rate, your payment would be $443.21. At 7.5% int rate, your payment would be $450. At 9% int rate, your payment would be $456.85. You're not going to get any insurance on a 2005 R6 WORTH $7500 after you drive it off the lot, for which you owe $10K? AND you have 7 tickets and you're only 19? You're right, you won't get insurance because no company in their right mind would insure you on that bike with that record at that age. If you have 7 tickets and you're only 19, you better not get an R6. But, as you said, you're going to do it anyway, so do as you wish. Just PLEASE, PLEASE stay away from any town where my friends and relatives live.

Are you talking about the written test or the riding test? Take the MSF course before you go into the DMV and you should have learned all you need to know in order to pass the written test. You could also just drop by the DMV and pick up the motorcycle licensing booklet. I'm not sure when you're taking the MSF course, but if you get the booklet before that, you could read it and be a little bit ahead of the game. If there's something that you don't understand in the booklet, you can have it noted and ask one of the instructors to clarify it for you. taking first class tomarow !!!!!!! and i was talking about the written test at the DMV you only have to take it then u get the licence if you passed MSF u can pass the driving test and i was saying that i heard DMV test was hard for motorcyckles thats what i meent to say earlier :dthumb:

Oh, and you'll get graded at the MSF on the driving test and the written test. Then you'll get graded on the DMV written test as well. ill post it monday or late sunday my score but i bet you i will be top of the class i studied that hand book up and down for like 2 months lol

Damn, I don't know where to start. :crazy: A guy can train a bear to ride a bicycle, so any human being should be able to learn how to ride a motorcycle regardless of the power of said motorcycle. Ok, keep believing that. $1500 in taxes??? I hope you aren't serious. But let's just say that you end up financing 10K for 24 months. At 4.9% int rate, your payment would be $438.27. At 6% int rate, your payment would be $443.21. At 7.5% int rate, your payment would be $450. At 9% int rate, your payment would be $456.85. You're not going to get any insurance on a 2005 R6 WORTH $7500 after you drive it off the lot, for which you owe $10K? AND you have 7 tickets and you're only 19? You're right, you won't get insurance because no company in their right mind would insure you on that bike with that record at that age. If you have 7 tickets and you're only 19, you better not get an R6. But, as you said, you're going to do it anyway, so do as you wish. Just PLEASE, PLEASE stay away from any town where my friends and relatives live. dang this kids a savege :lol: good luck i dont recomend it but u are doing what i Whant to do i just have the brains not to do it but hey keep posting tell us whats up with it after you drop it a couple of times :lol:

dang this kids a savege :lol: good luck i dont recomend it but u are doing what i Whant to do i just have the brains not to do it but hey keep posting tell us whats up with it after you drop it a couple of times :lol: Hey bulldog, you're starting to fit right in around here. ;) But you know, as I read through triton's post again, I just realized that he was only joking. As you can see, he had ME going. Nice one triton, I certainly needed a good laugh. :dthumb:

Just PLEASE, PLEASE stay away from any town where my friends and relatives live. LOL keep them away from me, then we will be fine!

Oh, I forgot to mention that disc locks range from $30 to about $75, depending on brand and style.

ok...in Wa everybody has to pass written test and DMV or MSF test I share the apart. i pay 200$ so I save some money here. If u really in to it and have the talent u can even start with R1 if u believe in urself, bears learn how to drive bycycles they didnt start with tricycles? so I can start with R6! And nothing will protect u from falling, only God can guard u on that bike if u trust him. anyways, Im' gonna get R6 no matter what, if u guys will help me find used one that would be great, otherwise im getting new one of the dealer, I already checked it out couple times, it cost 8,500 + TX so a bout 10,000$, but i didnt try to talk him down, will do that next time...i'll pya it off in less then two years and im not plannin on gettin insurance I think it will be expensive, i have 7 tickets on my driving record, so i'll just get health insurance for medical bills in case i fall. for security i have covered parking so i can lock it to that poles, how much disk locks cost? Please please please somebody make it stop...

and im not plannin on gettin insurance I think it will be expensive, i have 7 tickets on my driving record, so i'll just get health insurance for medical bills in case i fall. for security i have covered parking so i can lock it to that poles, how much disk locks cost? Ahhhh, you might want to rethink that. If you are getting a loan for the bike then the bank is pretty much going to force you to get insurance. As far they are concerened, they're giving you ten grand and they could care less what you do with your bike or your life as long as when you total that bike, they get their ten grand back. That bike is basically collateral that you will pay them back the ten large over the next two years or they get the bike back. I doubt very highly they will be happy to see you when you show up in a wheel chair, with a wadded up bike two monthes after picking it up. Furthermore I doubt any state will be happy to find you driving around without insurance. Especially with your driving record of seven tic's at age 19. Ticket #eight will be speeding/reckless, ticket #nine will be no insurance, I will put money on that. Now, your worried about getting the bike stolen, and concerned about how much disc locks are going to cost, but your not going to insure the bike. That's crazy talk!! If I were you, I wouldn't bother spending money on the bike locks and the chain, but start saving cash for my lawyer and the frontal labotamy. I hope your posting this thread as a joke, if Not, I'm glad you live in Seattle. Odds are we probably won't run into each other.....no pun intended. I recant my previous recommendation of "if you can show some reserve or common sense you can handle the R6", my bad.......

Ahhhh, you might want to rethink that. If you are getting a loan for the bike then the bank is pretty much going to force you to get insurance. Actually, I found out through some research that both Yamaha and Suzuki have a "credit card" program where if you qualify, the new bike gets put on a credit card. Thus, you don't actually HAVE to have the insurance. Of course, if you wad up the bike and it's unrepairable, then you're SOL and you still have to pay back the full amount of the credit card. But I agree with everything else that you said and I too hope this is one monster joke. I would MUCH rather have this guy just be some troll than have this be truthful.

Yamaha's financing isnt anywhere near as forgiving as Suzuki or Kawis puts out.... 19 yo with minimal credit time... he wont even get financed unless he either makes a lot or has a cosigner.. even then he'll be lukcy to get it with yamaha for under 9.....prob better of to use a bank or credit union then Yamaha. And insurance... Full coverage.. he'll buy the bike in ins. payments in under 6 monthes. Minimal and hes still prob looking at a 2,000 yearly for a new R6 with that record. One peice of advice for ya though.... Go get a license in a diff state... then u can get insurance that wont see a drivng record.. i got 4 tickets lost by moving to nevada.... So with a clean record i have a 487$ a year ins full minimal coverage at 21 with a 1000cc bike., But full was 5200$ a year for full at 21 with a clean record... 19 and 7 tickets.. im gonna say 7K or better for a year of full and over 800$ for minimal...Lets see who can guess his ins quote best...lol

One peice of advice for ya though.... Go get a license in a diff state... then u can get insurance that wont see a drivng record.. That may or may not work. Neighboring states usually trade information. You have to switch across the country to lose tickets. I lost one when I moved to Indiana from Utah.

Kawi only requires minimal.. but Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki require full.... And yeah if its forced itll be full coverage, plus that ticket for no ins will cost an extra 780$ in NV

I went form Ca to NV..right next door,and they dont share ive been ticketed 6 times at 21 and my ins only checks NV.. Yay Progressive! lol But then again im ticket free on the bike, only my truck got me tickets, many of em i felt jipped by, but a couple i deserved.

Well, if this whole thread wasn't a joke, then I wish him luck with the new bike. I just hope he's careful. But if he can't control himself enough to avoid tickets in a cage, how does he expect to control himself on an R6?

on new R6 they dont require u to have insur., on R1 yes, anything that will cost more then 10K Yamaha requires to have full coverage. I'm not really serious but I just want that R6 badly, I will take MSF classes of course, my friend will train me extra time and if in couple month I wont find used one, i will get new R6, they gave me only 6,000$ credit, so I need other cosigner. I just think insurance is rip off on car and bike, and I dont really care about bike, only about my health. I have 4 speeding tickets, one in CA, and 3 no insurance lol, but its all good, insurance cost 3,000$ for a year, I paid 1,500$ for last 3 tickets, saved some money :)

Im so confused now... :crazy:

Well, if this whole thread wasn't a joke, then I wish him luck with the new bike. I just hope he's careful. But if he can't control himself enough to avoid tickets in a cage, how does he expect to control himself on an R6? i am thinking the same everyone says i drive like an old lady

A few more thoughts...you're how old and already have 3 speeding tickets? You obviously have a need for speed, which I completely understand. But take that seriously into consideration when buying a bike, whichever it may be. My first street bike was a GS500 and even I could have gotten in serious trouble on that thing. Someone mentioned "responsible" riding...even if he's responsible on the R6 (which I have to say that males who ride with other males tend to have the my $#%@ is bigger than yours syndrome and try to outride each other...that's just in my experience), he will still get into a "hairy" situation at some point in his learning to ride. That's where bike size comes into play. Haven't you guys ever seen the video of the guy on the SV who freaks out, grabs a handful of throttle and rams into a tree? The first instinct when panicked is most always to grab the throttle, that when high torque will really get a newbie in trouble, no matter how "responsible" they are. We can tell newbies over and over until we are blue in the face that bigger bikes are not great to start on, but they have to learn for themselves, I guess. Just hopefully they don't learn a lesson the hard way. :(

I too started on a 500.. the EX and it was def fast enough to get ya in all kinds of trouble, moded at only 62HP at the wheel it would do over 130 and run low 13's.. Fast enough to kill ya but nice and light to learn on, and inexpensive.. it kept my entertained for a year and a half till i got my Z1K. And i never knew how unpowerful it was till i rode my Z1K the first time.

if the ex had that horespower to the wheele would the f have the same amont or more?? just wondering b/c i am getting the f model

the EX500/500R has stock....52HP at the wheel... mine modded was to 62HP. I know the GS500 is slower then the Kawi... not by much though.. its like 52HP for the EX and if i remember right like 48 for the GSF, and the GSF for the new year with all the plastics is a few pounds heavier as well....But each is a nice learning bike and the GSF is certianly one of the Sweetest looking 500s u will find. Youll enjoy it for a couple years then may look to replace it...I cant say anythign bad aobut either bike, just has limited sport ability, but for a new rider it'll exceed what u can give em as far as cornering goes. It'll be a good choice, that SV650 will def give ya the ability to enjoy it longer.... u could ride it ten years and always be happy with it... But get what fits and u like.. plus the500's are def cheaper to insure and maintaine.. Those engines are bulletproof.. they will Last ya over 60K mi if u maintain it right before u see any kind of motor problem.

having 3 speeding tickets doesnt make u bad driver, its not like ur driving like an idiot, u just going fast! and im still geting R6, I met some ppl, all of them started on R6 or cbr600, or gsxr

Alright everybody, it looks like this one is a lost cause. We can't say we didn't try. But like someone told me in a different thread, all we can do is give the best advice possible, which I feel we are doing, and it's up to the individual as to whether or not he wants to listen. This one isn't going to listen, so all we can say is please be careful and please stay away from our friends and family members. But I will add one more thing. Triton, as you said, 3 speeding tickets may only mean that you like to go fast, but this is the biggest problem if you're getting a bike like an R6. If you like to go fast, then you will constantly push the bike and go fast, many times in situations where you shouldn't go fast. This is just one reason we think you should start on a smaller bike, especially since you've had absolutely zero experience with motorcycles. But it's obvious that you aren't going to listen, so I probably just wasted my time typing that as well.

having 3 speeding tickets doesnt make u bad driver, its not like ur driving like an idiot, u just going fast! and im still geting R6, I met some ppl, all of them started on R6 or cbr600, or gsxr :withstupi Those are driving awards for being soooooo good! :crazy:

having 3 speeding tickets doesnt make u bad driver, its not like ur driving like an idiot, u just going fast! and im still geting R6, I met some ppl, all of them started on R6 or cbr600, or gsxr I agree. That's what I said...I have a need for speed as well. I personally, even being a woman, am not a bad driver. Enjoy the R6. It's a beautiful bike. Just respect her and take it easy until you get comfortable riding.

Well, if this whole thread wasn't a joke, then I wish him luck with the new bike. I just hope he's careful. But if he can't control himself enough to avoid tickets in a cage, how does he expect to control himself on an R6? I hope he has signed his organ donor's card...Hey if he visits his local Lions Club...They have a form he can sign to donate his eyes...I don't think anyone would want his brain...it seems to be defective.

speeding with noone and no corners around is one hting, but if u do it in traffic.. it truly is NOTHING like speeding in a car....the consequence is ten fold as well as control.....a car at 45 will swerve sharper then a new rider on a bike can...so what u cna do in a car means nothing.. A bike is a different game, speeding is a differnet game, if u have an eed for speed visit the Track either drag or race and go there till u get good. Just be smart when u speed, becasue to tell someone with a sport bike to not speed just wont happen, even conservative riders will push the speedo past legal form time to time, But u need to go slow for a while and learn when and where, and to have absolute control of the bike when u chose ot go fast.. as a new rider u CANT do that.. it takes time, which u dont yet have. But if ya want it get it, like eveyrones said if u keep it slow and LEARN before u race it around you'll do ok.. and INSURE it..lol

:bash: You people should read my posts carefully or couple of times before post yours, i NEVER said im gonna go fast on that bike or go crazy, I want to get R6 cuz its looks nice and its not that fast and I can handle it, i will take MSF classes of course and then practice alot before going on freeway or somewhere far.

:bash: You people should read my posts carefully or couple of times before post yours, i NEVER said im gonna go fast on that bike or go crazy, I want to get R6 cuz its looks nice and its not that fast and I can handle it, i will take MSF classes of course and then practice alot before going on freeway or somewhere far. ok then that makes sence :loser: NOT eventually u will probably get carzy so do whatever but do take the msf i just got done with my last class 2 hrs ago i graduated with overall of about 90 95% so im happy and learned a lot

R6 is a very fast bike :screwy:

I want to get R6...its not that fast and I can handle it How many times have you ridden an R6? How many times have you ridden ANY motorcycle?

How many times have you ridden an R6? How many times have you ridden ANY motorcycle? ill tell u now that i rode the night hawk at the msf and i had more power then a begginer would use on the street

:bash: You people should read my posts carefully or couple of times before post yours, i NEVER said im gonna go fast on that bike or go crazy, I want to get R6 cuz its looks nice and its not that fast and I can handle it, i will take MSF classes of course and then practice alot before going on freeway or somewhere far. I think what we're all trying to say is that if you already have a need for speed in a car, once you get on a bike, you will DEFINITELY have a need for speed. A bike is much more exhilirating than a car, and you can find yourself going very fast very quickly without evening noticing it. A bike is just much different than a car...accelerates quicker, and the feeling of being in the open air...all very tempting. Trust me! That's why I decided to take it to the track...the speeds I was riding on the street was just not safe. And another important note, most police officers tend to be less friendly to bikers, especially sport bikers, if you get pulled over. They seem to think we are all hooligans, and tend to treat you as one, even if you're not. Also, just a question, if you think an R6 is "not that fast" what do you consider to be a "fast" bike?

a R6 is capable of 10 second 1/4 miles,,,,,if you dont think thats fast then your gonna be in for a big suprise.....I dont know of any young person thats gonna get on any 600 sport bike and NOT go fast...of course your gonna go fast...you cant help it not to go fast. i think thats what people that know are trying to tell you...but i also know that i wouldnt have listened to anyone when i was your age (hell i dont listen to anyone now :lol: ) so thats why im not telling anyone what to buy or not to.... youve gotten some good advice from a lot of people in here...your move

a R6 is capable of 10 second 1/4 miles,,,,,if you dont think thats fast then your gonna be in for a big suprise.....I dont know of any young person thats gonna get on any 600 sport bike and NOT go fast...of course your gonna go fast...you cant help it not to go fast. i think thats what people that know are trying to tell you...but i also know that i wouldnt have listened to anyone when i was your age (hell i dont listen to anyone now :lol: ) so thats why im not telling anyone what to buy or not to.... youve gotten some good advice from a lot of people in here...your move hey i listened remember i whanted a cbr 1000 or the busa :lol:

i ment r6 is not a heavy bike and i can handle it, u get used to it and u can contorl the speed, as i said b4 all my friends and ppl i know started with cbr, gsxr or r6

i ment r6 is not a heavy bike and i can handle it, u get used to it and u can contorl the speed, as i said b4 all my friends and ppl i know started with cbr, gsxr or r6 that is one of the reassons it is so dangerous b/c it is light and has what about 120 hp to the wheel (not sure on that but should be close)its not that you cant control it like mt instructor said the first thing you do when your in trouble is twist your wrist ........if you do that on a R6 you will do one hell of a wheelie then get thrown one hell of a distance

i ment r6 is not a heavy bike and i can handle it, u get used to it and u can contorl the speed, as i said b4 all my friends and ppl i know started with cbr, gsxr or r6 you hang out with stupid people then or they have big nutz but either way things dont look right speeding tickets no ex. ???? i dont know i am also a beginer but these guys muight have saved my life by talking me out of the busa and the busa is just sbout as dangerous as the R6 (more power but i heard the busa is more forgiving) :dthumb:

that is one of the reassons it is so dangerous b/c it is light and has what about 120 hp to the wheel (not sure on that but should be close) 101 at the wheel, 120 at crank

101 at the wheel, 120 at crank ok mister perfect :lol: jk i knew it was somewere around there dam ive learned a lot through research :lol: good advise captain

lol you wont get crazy with it. right jsut what i said as i was trying to get the front wheel up off the ground the day after i bought one. just wandering TRITON do you own any other type of motor cycle.

lol you wont get crazy with it. right jsut what i said as i was trying to get the front wheel up off the ground the day after i bought one. just wandering TRITON do you own any other type of motor cycle. is the 636 your first bike??? it sure does look nice :dthumb:

Sure is, the reason i got it is becasue i have been on bikes forever and i have ridden street bikes b4. just never owned one. i would post a pic up but i dont know how. lol and i work in the IT business :bash: figured it out

sweet looking bike! whre in pa are you ! :dthumb:

loli just asked you the same question in another thread. around harrisburg pa. actually about 30 min away in tower city. but i work in harrisburg. where are you at

loli just asked you the same question in another thread. around harrisburg pa. actually about 30 min away in tower city. but i work in harrisburg. where are you at iam in berks county so iam probably 45 minutes from harrisburg or so depending on traffic. :lol:

well give me a city to look up in map quest to see how close u r im at 17980 zip.

iam in womelsdorf .......zip 19567

Hey you are not that far from me we need to meet up sometime this spring summer and ride. i know there are severl ppl on bike in lebanon i just got to contact them this spring. shat :jacked: Sorry

Hey you are not that far from me we need to meet up sometime this spring summer and ride. i know there are severl ppl on bike in lebanon i just got to contact them this spring. shat :jacked: Sorry sounds good ! :dthumb: just keep me posted on when and where and stuff :thumbs: and yes sorry for the :jacked: :wink:

i ment r6 is not a heavy bike and i can handle it, u get used to it and u can contorl the speed, as i said b4 all my friends and ppl i know started with cbr, gsxr or r6 :lol: ... :rofl3: ...You are hilarious...You should take that act to Des Moines, They will probably boo your dumba$$ there too. You have a need for speed in your car...you want an R6 as your first bike...You want US,who already own these bikes, to believe you can handle a 400lb motorcycle that will go 150 mph with no experience? You might be able to sell that ***** to your parents, But we know better...Jetski, is that your dumb a$$ logging in under another name?

first of all have some respect bumblebee, jetski is not me, :chill: and going 3 miles in school zone and 5-10 over limit is not having a need for speed.

First off...you don't get respect, you earn it. I have read your posts for three pages now and you are either incredibly stupid, or you are trying to stir things up...either way, you are incredibly stupid. You asked the opinions of the people on this forum. When they tell you what you don't want to hear, you disrespect them with your posts. There are people, on this forum, who I have been conversing with for quite some time now. I have never met them in person, but I respect them because of the knowledge, maturity and attitude they impart. Even Bulldog, as a young man, has the sense to listen to people who have been there so he doesn't have to re-invent the wheel. He has earned respect from the people here. You have not. Your own posts tell me you can not control yourself in a car, else, you wouldn't have tickets hanging on your license. I agree with the Captain, we are wasting time and effort trying to tell you anything. I would apologize about mis-Identifying you as jetski...but looking at your posts...I don't think I am wrong

I would apologize about mis-Identifying you as jetski...but looking at your posts...I don't think I am wrong Funny thing is, I was thinking the exact same thing. ;) As many posts as there are about not starting out on a supersport bike, this one just seems a bit odd.

First off...you don't get respect, you earn it. I have read your posts for three pages now and you are either incredibly stupid, or you are trying to stir things up...either way, you are incredibly stupid. You asked the opinions of the people on this forum. When they tell you what you don't want to hear, you disrespect them with your posts. There are people, on this forum, who I have been conversing with for quite some time now. I have never met them in person, but I respect them because of the knowledge, maturity and attitude they impart. Even Bulldog, as a young man, has the sense to listen to people who have been there so he doesn't have to re-invent the wheel. He has earned respect from the people here. You have not. Your own posts tell me you can not control yourself in a car, else, you wouldn't have tickets hanging on your license. I agree with the Captain, we are wasting time and effort trying to tell you anything. I would apologize about mis-Identifying you as jetski...but looking at your posts...I don't think I am wrong oh how its been a long jurney :lol: am i there yet jk i know what you meen and it took time for me to see eye to eye with you guys at first too and i dident TRUELY believe it until i rode that night hawk and it was a pice of **** but you can get hurt in a sec. and if trinton(??? think thats the guy) would take the MSF then by the time the class is over you would rethink the choices you have in front of you now because it isnt about controling your bike on a flat rode your first reflex in a bad situation( mini van whants to U turn in front of you) is to give the bike gas and get the hell out of there, well if you dont learn PROPER reflexes and street skills then you will geyt into troyuble faster then you would have on a proper bike EX: a R6 is a lot more unforgiving then a 250 or 500 ninja and my class coach said that when he rides the twisties that this guy with a 250 ninja is always in front because he knows the bikes maximum capabilities whith this being said i know how bad you whant that bike i whanted a Busa (still do) but it is as smart as putting a rope around my own kneck check out the sv650s with the lower fairing looks just as good as the R6 does and doesent have so much power (but you still got to be careful) :thumbs: well i think ive increased my words per minute on this post :lol: :dthumb:

on new R6 they dont require u to have insur., on R1 yes, anything that will cost more then 10K Yamaha requires to have full coverage. I'm not really serious but I just want that R6 badly, I will take MSF classes of course, my friend will train me extra time and if in couple month I wont find used one, i will get new R6, they gave me only 6,000$ credit, so I need other cosigner. I just think insurance is rip off on car and bike, and I dont really care about bike, only about my health. I have 4 speeding tickets, one in CA, and 3 no insurance lol, but its all good, insurance cost 3,000$ for a year, I paid 1,500$ for last 3 tickets, saved some money :) WOW they do require you to have insurence on any bike. but when it is a leiter bike the card you finance it from though yamaha in this case will make you get full coverage on an R1 but on the R6 just try and buy the bike and leave the dealer with no insurance. lol they wont even start preping the bike until the insurence company faxes them your insurance. And i hope you hit a car with no insurence and have to pay for it the rest of your life. no i dont hope you get hurt but it will teach you a lesson. And what makes you think you can handle an R6, but yet you ahve never riddin any motorcycle.

well this thread is good for us to get our posts up on :lol:

WOW they do require you to have insurence on any bike. but when it is a leiter bike the card you finance it from though yamaha in this case will make you get full coverage on an R1 but on the R6 just try and buy the bike and leave the dealer with no insurance. lol they wont even start preping the bike until the insurence company faxes them your insurance. And i hope you hit a car with no insurence and have to pay for it the rest of your life. no i dont hope you get hurt but it will teach you a lesson. And what makes you think you can handle an R6, but yet you ahve never riddin any motorcycle. Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on the requirement of insurance. I bought my R6 new from the dealer and they never asked about insurance at all. In fact, I just got my first bill from Household Credit Services which is the company that supplies the Yamaha credit card. They didn't ask for any insurance either. If I wanted to, I could forego insurance altogether on my bike, but I don't want to. Besides, FULL coverage on the R6, with 50/100/50 bodily injury and property damage limits and 50/100/10 underinsured limits, is only $200 per year with State Farm, compared to $1100 per year with progressive for the same coverage. Granted, I have a $1000 deductible, but I can afford it if the unfortunate ever comes along. The only thing I don't like about State Farm is they only allow you to have $1,000 medical coverage on a bike, but for a $900 difference, I'm not that worried about it. Hell, if I wanted to have $10K medical coverage with Progressive, it would cost me $1800 per year. :willy: However, I will agree with your comment about him "knowing he can handle an R6 when he's never ridden before." It just doesn't make sense, does it?

Don't waste your time with the squid! Let him buy the bike he wants, let him dump it and hope he doesn't take a family out with him when he goes. He's just another Jetski...ignore him...h3ll, he probably rides a vespa.

im with captain my dad bought a new yamaha v star(??? i think ??) about a year ago and he dident have insurance or a licence at the time he bought it and he DROVE it home :nonod: :disapp:

when i bought mine .one of the first things out the guys mouth was i needed to show proof of insurance

i was never asked. I think i actually didnt have ins for bout 2 days after i bought it, didnt ride it other htne home though till i got it. and then i only went like 30 till it was insured

i was never asked. I think i actually didnt have ins for bout 2 days after i bought it, didnt ride it other htne home though till i got it. and then i only went like 30 till it was insured you are to safe :skep: i dont think i believe you :lol: jk

i bought it on the spot.. had no intent to actually buy when i went to look... so i couldnt start ins till the following day. i think with the break in period i could only go like 30 maybe 32 till it hit the 500mi htne it was 58 till 1K... sp i wasnt worried about an accident i could just move off the road and let ppl pass when i couldnt go fast enough for em

i know jetski caused a couple arguments earlier but why does everyone hate him ??? he dont bother me ?? just curious

i bought it on the spot.. had no intent to actually buy when i went to look... so i couldnt start ins till the following day. If you previously had a bike and IT was insured, then you most likely would have been covered for anywhere from 14 to 30 days after purchase of a new bike. I didn't purchase insurance for the R6 for 18 days after I bought it. I had coverage for 14 and I picked it up at the dealership on the 14th day then took it straight home and put it in the garage. I would have insured it right away, but a friend had just qualified for his insurance license and was waiting to recieve it before quoting me for the bike.

Maybe its a PA thing but the guy at the dealership would not let me or my stepfather leave the shop without proof of insurance. the insurance company had to fax the dealership proof. dont know about other states though. pa you are also required to carry minimum coverage on bikes also. i think other states you dont even have to insure them, maybe thats y. anyway the moral of the story is please get insurance casue i dont want to have to sew you for all the money that you have if you hit me without insurence.

zx, you bring up a good point. While I was just thinking about the financial loss of the bike, you are looking at the bigger picture. What if an uninsured person causes an accident? Who pays for the damage? Some people will say that's what uninsured/underinsured coverage is for, but the insurance company will usually sue to recover their money. It happened with one of our tenants. She didn't have renters insurance and she caused a fire. Our insurance covered the damage, but because she was at fault, the insurance company sued her for replacement. And when I was in purchasing insurance for my bike I was told that if someone else causes an accident and they don't have enough coverage, to call my company and they would cover it and it wouldn't go against me. The company would pursue the other person to recover their money. So I guess that's something that we all need to think about when deciding how much coverage to purchase.

ZX, it's the same way in MI! I think it has more to do with the state laws. MI requires you to have full coverage insurance on anything with a Lein!

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yes :jacked: but this is good information for first time bikers. riding with minimum is one thing, you willl ahve to pay for your bike if you wreck but not the other persons shat. riding without insurance you willl ahve to pay for everything and if you cant (in most cases) you will get sewed and you will be paying for it for almost the rest of your life. also if it is not your fault with minimum coverage the other persons insurance will pay for everything. but with no insurance at all i think that you can still get in deep shat even if it is not your fault.

Having the proper insurance coverage is just as important as wearing the proper gear. Your helmet, after all, is just another form of insurance, you hope you never need it, but will be glad you bought it if you do! Sooner or later, you will need it.

triton, with that attitude you have no business anywhere near a bike. if you get an R6 as your first ever bike, they are most likely going to be scraping you off the road with a shovel in less than a month. and you keep talking about what your friends have, why does that matter? you're not them. you said yourself you have a need for speed, that means you are going to get yourself into some major trouble whether you think you will or not. trust me, been there done that. luckly for me everytime i had it happen it was on a dirtbike out in the sand and i didn't get severely injured. i guarantee you will not be able to resist the temptation to rip back on that throttle. and like everyone else has said, an R6 is too much bike for a beginner. i've been riding on and off the street for over 7 years and i'm just now looking at getting an R6 or a CBR600RR. you can't seem to grasp the fact that the R6 is a race bred bike, meant for riders with years of experience. you get on one, and you're gonna get hurt..... oh and as far as insurance, in Washington it's not required unless you finance the bike. *steps off soap box* Late Darksyde

I think the whole R6 as a first bike for anyone has been touched on here quit abit already. We all have voiced our thoughts and opinions and thats about all we can do. They can either take it or leave it but atleast we gave it. Most of us on here have years and years of riding time behind us and know what we are talking about when we give our recommendation to who ever asks. But thats all we can still do. Always ride safe and smart. Ride with in your limits and never try to do something your friends are doing if your not ready. Take your time. It will come.

and if you have to ask other ppl if a race bike would be a good bike for you as a starter bike than its prolly not a good idea to get. if you knew you could ride it you would have just went out and bought it.

Go ahead and buy the R6. I bought a Busa as my first bike about a month ago. I was riding to work about a half a mile from where I live and a dog ran out in front of me at 230 in the morning.I tried to miss the dog and got out of shape and got a hand full of Busa power. I hope that my leg will be healed up in 6 months. But hey I was an uninformed dumbass. You are fully informed of the risk's, more power to ya---Eric

Welcome to the site OC. Hope ya heal up quick :)

Welcome to the site OC. Hope ya heal up quick :) no doubt welcome!!! :twfrox: Let's hear more about this crash and youself... check into the "newbie" sticky thread in off topic... tell us what's up... sounds like it sucks... hopefully you heal up quickly!

Hello everyone! I was driving down the road a dog ran out in front of me.the road was wet and it was foggy. I swerved and hit the brakes. The bike started to slide and hit a curb jumped the curb I'm in the grass this is when I got a hand full of throttle I think. Honestly its kind of blurry. It happened so fast. I got on the brakes again but i was on wet grass. I see a chain fence coming up and I'm like oh ****. I mean a fence like Metal post uprights and a strand of logging chain in between the up rights. Just one about 3 foot of the ground.Next thing I know I'm laying on the ground with the bike. I think i crawled out to the side walk. My left leg is broke right close to my hip. Three screws holding it together.or trying to hold it together I should say.The bike damage as far as I know is a busted front tire and broken rim. Hopefully this will help someone from making the same mistake. My experience with a bike was that I rode a Kawa 440 Ltd a couple of times when I was around 15 I think. I was not prepared for what happened. Lack of experience and training were my enemies. Like i said , hope this helps somebody from making the same mistake.---- Eric-- 05 Blue and silver slightly damaged--Oh :withstupi well :withstupi

Tough way to learn, but if its the only way youd end up taking MSF then call it a small price.. coulda been a taxi pulling out in heavy traffic and a semi that u slid into... You could be dead.. a broken leg is nothing. But get that busa back up and enjoy the sport safely, its a great bike. use her for some touring with some SS bikes and youll be glad u bought the 500lb bike.

For once, I can say that the large bore size bike wasn't the cause... Take a MSF and just keep a eye out for that wildlife crap! It will get ya though... sometimes regardless of what you do!!!