Bonds

I suppose some of you saw his interview yesterday. Regardless of that, here's the deal. He's either lying about knowing the cream he was using was a steroid, or he's too stupid to know. Which is it?

You should have made a poll where we could choose more than one option. :screwy:

Yeah like "all of the above"...

You should have made a poll where we could choose more than one option. :screwy: Hmmmm. . good point. :lol:

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Since I'm a finance major and NOT a sports enthusiast, I was going to come in here and say that bonds would not be a good investment at this point because interest rates are expected to rise. ;) However, after reading the initial post, I have no relevant comment so I'll just :whore:

Where is the Option for who gives a .... I mean who cares :flush:

Bonds has been under a microscope and subject to random steroid testing last two years. Guess what Bonds has not shrunk one bit ;) Knowbody is disputing Bonds puts his time in at Gym :thumbs: The guy works out 6 hours day at gym, what do you expect small arms? Steroid claims bunch of BS by jealous people who wish they could hit baseball like Bonds :dthumb:

news flash most pro athletes use steroids, this does not mean that they can hit a homerun, there are ppl 10 times the size of bonds and prolly couldent hit the ball out the infield. i say let pro athletes use em, every other contry they are legal. it would make for better entertainment. i can see it now, i just got over arguing about this subject in my other forum, the steroids not bonds.

I don't know & I don't care! Base Ball aint my thing!

news flash most pro athletes use steroids, this does not mean that they can hit a homerun, there are ppl 10 times the size of bonds and prolly couldent hit the ball out the infield. i say let pro athletes use em, every other contry they are legal. it would make for better entertainment. i can see it now, i just got over arguing about this subject in my other forum, the steroids not bonds. Baseball is one of few sports where steroids donot help you much. Hand eye coordination will not impove with steroids use. If it only took strength to hit home runs half baseball players would look like football linemen :crazy: Look at Babe Ruths arms :lol: Only weight lifting he did was with shot glass;) Ruth still put up great Home run numbers :thumbs:

636 Theo nly thing i cna say bad aobut that thought is that KIDS look up to athletes... u want your kid to grow and and inject to make money????your kid can turn 18 and make millions buy using would u want him too? Who cares if the pro adults want to, but they are ROLEMODELS, you cant ask your kids to look up to a $#!tbag. I think he knew he used em, but hes still a great hitter.. and still would have hit 90% of em without steriods.

true i they are roll models but in the wrestling world they are all on roids and kids love that. they just need to let the whole steroid issue go and let them be and ppl wont know weather they are using or not. and i am agains young ppl doint steroids in highschool, at that age and level you have no business using them. and on the thought you cant just inject yourself and get hugh, most ppl that use them work out extremely hard. steroids are only bad if used by someone that had no knowledge of them.

ok after that one your being demoted...lol if osmeone uses em a few monthes.. really nothing badf is gonan happen.. but someone who uses em over a carrerr will have problems.. MAJOR problems..may not see em for 20 years after but when they get put on Kidney dialosis cuz they are failing and they get seoris of the liver form the extra crap the body has to filter theyll know what its from. Plus it increases the risk of prostate cancer and such.

Most important! I will make you have a small wang! :lol:

Ok i'll chime in here now. I'm a ball player, and have been my whole life. It's something that just gets in your blood. Hitting a baseball at that level, is 90% mental, 9%timing, and the rest a combination of skill, strength, bat speed, lunar activities, etc...... I think he did take steroids, and i think he took them knowing full well what he was doing. Did they help him? YES. and heres why. Hitting a long ball off a pitch thats right down the middle is all about bat speed, and timing. swing fast and through, while making good contact, and the ball is going, going, gone. it has nothing to do with brute force, and more to do with a nice fluid motion. Heres the catch. Hitting a ball thats out of your "wheel house", throws off your nice fluid swing and changes your whole geometry. Now, because you "upset" geometry, and have to chase a ball thats, say, low and away, it now requiers more force to transfer the same amount of energy into the ball and it did whith a nice fluid swing and a ball in the zone. Thats where bonds extra strength came into play. He wasn't getting "pitched to". Every pitcher in the leauge was pitching around him, and not giving him any good pitches to hit. The extra strength he had allowed him to chase balls low and away, and still drive them out of the park. If you were to go back and look at 90% of the dingers he hit, they were all out of the zone, and he had to muscle them out of the park. Thats the end of my rant. Oh and to answer the poll question, i'd say both!! I think he's a liar and a moron. I never liked him, even before this whole debacle

extra strength from using steroids definately makes a difference in home runs, they say it adds 20-25 feet to a ball, sort of like using an aluminum bat compared to a wooden bat....those line drives he hits are not the problem, its the ones that land in the 1st or 3rd row in the outfield that would have been a routing warning track fly ball out that are the ones that are affected... jetski, just taking steroids isnt gonna make a person that cant hit a baseball a home run hitter, but when u give steroids to a homerun hitter, those flyball outs are now homeruns and the numbers of homeruns just climb...

ok after that one your being demoted...lol if osmeone uses em a few monthes.. really nothing badf is gonan happen.. but someone who uses em over a carrerr will have problems.. MAJOR problems..may not see em for 20 years after but when they get put on Kidney dialosis cuz they are failing and they get seoris of the liver form the extra crap the body has to filter theyll know what its from. Plus it increases the risk of prostate cancer and such. you listen to too much news and media. if they are done correctly your chancese of getting cancer or liver, and kidney failure are slim to none. but yes in most cases ppl dont know what they are doing and this happens ppl just take them an know know that if you dont cycle right it will f u up and if you dont do a long enough off cycle it will also f u up. as far as liver and kidney damage, oral steroids will cause this if used in abundance and for a prolonged time. that is y ppl that know what they are doing usually do not use oral that much and if they do they use a liquid wich helpe it absorb into your system b4 it gets to you liver. but yes there are alot of ppl that take them and have no clue what they are doing and that is what everyone hears about. and for those who dont know steroids DO NOT shrink your wang they will shrivel you nuts up a little though. steroids are sorta seen as motorcycles you only hear about how bad they are and all the bad things that happen from them, if i had to guess i would guess that more ppl die from motorcycle deaths each year then steroids.

Since I'm a finance major and NOT a sports enthusiast, I was going to come in here and say that bonds would not be a good investment at this point because interest rates are expected to rise. ;) However, after reading the initial post, I have no relevant comment so I'll just :whore: LOL I was thinking the same thing.

I don't know, he was trying to push the whole "Oh yeah, well you media are liars too" thing.... usually that is someones first reaction when they know they have been caught....

Steroid claims bunch of BS by jealous people who wish they could hit baseball like Bonds :dthumb: He's already admitted to taking them, he just basically said he thought it was moisturizer. :rofl:

Steroids DO help you. Here's another news flash, every player in the majors has superior hand-eye coordination. That argument is old. Here's the difference. .a clean player will need to get 90-95% of the ball for it to get out. A juiced player ala McGwire or Bonds will only need to get 70%, at most. Imagine if Ichiro was juiced, he'd be hitting 90 HRs per year. That's exagerating, but the point is valid. The argument isn't whether he took roids or not, it's if he knew he was taking roids. Giambi said he knew, but apparently Bonds lives in a dream world. He lied on the stand, which means he's guilty of perjury. Either that, or he really is that f'n stupid.

Ok i'll chime in here now. I'm a ball player, and have been my whole life. It's something that just gets in your blood. Hitting a baseball at that level, is 90% mental, 9%timing, and the rest a combination of skill, strength, bat speed, lunar activities, etc...... I think he did take steroids, and i think he took them knowing full well what he was doing. Did they help him? YES. and heres why. Hitting a long ball off a pitch thats right down the middle is all about bat speed, and timing. swing fast and through, while making good contact, and the ball is going, going, gone. it has nothing to do with brute force, and more to do with a nice fluid motion. Heres the catch. Hitting a ball thats out of your "wheel house", throws off your nice fluid swing and changes your whole geometry. Now, because you "upset" geometry, and have to chase a ball thats, say, low and away, it now requiers more force to transfer the same amount of energy into the ball and it did whith a nice fluid swing and a ball in the zone. Thats where bonds extra strength came into play. He wasn't getting "pitched to". Every pitcher in the leauge was pitching around him, and not giving him any good pitches to hit. The extra strength he had allowed him to chase balls low and away, and still drive them out of the park. If you were to go back and look at 90% of the dingers he hit, they were all out of the zone, and he had to muscle them out of the park. Thats the end of my rant. Oh and to answer the poll question, i'd say both!! I think he's a liar and a moron. I never liked him, even before this whole debacle I'm willing to bet you and me are the only ones here that played past highschool, and you're dead on with your statements. :dthumb:

He's already admitted to taking them, he just basically said he thought it was moisturizer. :rofl: Bonds said he used a cream, didnot say it was steroids. Do you know every ingredient for every cream you have used? Big difference using cream in local area, to injected into body. If Bonds was going to take chance with steroids he would not be screwing around with cream :thumbs: You also pointed out Barry lied on grand jury stand :lol: US Attorney would love to make Bonds another Martha Steaurt. Only problem Bonds never lied :dthumb: Once again Pig posts his false facts :rant:

The 'clear', the cream he used, was steroids. He said he didn't know it was steroids. So like I said two pages ago, he's either a liar, or he's a total moron. Bonds said he didn't know. If it turns out he DID know, then yes, he is guilty of perjury.

Once again Pig posts his false facts :rant: And you wonder why you have a rep for being a Troll, and why you get banned from forums. :lol:

Ok i'll chime in here now. I'm a ball player, and have been my whole life. It's something that just gets in your blood. Hitting a baseball at that level, is 90% mental, 9%timing, and the rest a combination of skill, strength, bat speed, lunar activities, etc...... I think he did take steroids, and i think he took them knowing full well what he was doing. Did they help him? YES. and heres why. Hitting a long ball off a pitch thats right down the middle is all about bat speed, and timing. swing fast and through, while making good contact, and the ball is going, going, gone. it has nothing to do with brute force, and more to do with a nice fluid motion. Heres the catch. Hitting a ball thats out of your "wheel house", throws off your nice fluid swing and changes your whole geometry. Now, because you "upset" geometry, and have to chase a ball thats, say, low and away, it now requiers more force to transfer the same amount of energy into the ball and it did whith a nice fluid swing and a ball in the zone. Thats where bonds extra strength came into play. He wasn't getting "pitched to". Every pitcher in the leauge was pitching around him, and not giving him any good pitches to hit. The extra strength he had allowed him to chase balls low and away, and still drive them out of the park. If you were to go back and look at 90% of the dingers he hit, they were all out of the zone, and he had to muscle them out of the park. Thats the end of my rant. Oh and to answer the poll question, i'd say both!! I think he's a liar and a moron. I never liked him, even before this whole debacle Dude, Dan, come on - you "think" he might of done steriods - HELLO - look at Bonds picture pre-steriods - head is normal - look at it post and it is a tell tale sign of MASSIVE steriod use.. Then his buddy ratting on him, etc. Um yeah thinking he did is not an option - HE DID. Sorry kids Barry Bonds is a POS not a mentor or hero. He cheated, got away with it and got his record Ray Lewis style.. MFP.. I don't like baseball anyways, not to watch anyways so in the immortal words of someone I forgot their name WHO CARES.. If Barry Bonds choked on his next meal I wouldn't lose any fuggin sleep.. Peace, out.

sounds like pig is jealous of his money :flush:

And you wonder why you have a rep for being a Troll, and why you get banned from forums. :lol: Pig, Post link Bonds said he knew cream was steroids :smash: Us people who speak out do much better than those stuck in 50K jobs living in 30K houses in Okalahoma :dthumb:

Pig, Post link Bonds said he knew cream was steroids :smash: Us people who speak out do much better than those stuck in 50K jobs living in 30K houses in Okalahoma :dthumb: At minimum you should consider learning how to put a basic sentence together before trying to slam someone else. :rofl: Second, learn how to comprehend what you read. I already addressed the cream deal. :loser:

Pig, Post link Bonds said he knew cream was steroids :smash: Us people who speak out do much better than those stuck in 50K jobs living in 30K houses in Okalahoma :dthumb: At least he isn't living in a house thats worth $100k but costs $400k just because it's in a fancy city :lol: :smash:

I've lived in San Diego, Scottsdale, and Ft. Lauderdale. You couldn't pay me to live in northern Cal. :puke:

this is a stupid topic, if your going to bash bonds then you may as well bash every other athlete on a professional level out there casue they all use steroids. and its not just football and baseball and basketball, its swimming, running, biking. everything, you just never hear about it in other sports.

this is a stupid topic, if your going to bash bonds then you may as well bash every other athlete on a professional level out there casue they all use steroids. and its not just football and baseball and basketball, its swimming, running, biking. everything, you just never hear about it in other sports. you hear about steroids in those other sports...only difference is they take away your medals and your records and they ban you for life or at least 2 years in running, swimming etc when you are caught using steroids...and they test all the time.......

only problem is that they only test for certain steroids. it is too expensive to test for steroids in the first place. and there are plenty of things you can do that wont show up.

I agree with what Jack said.. Bonds is breaking records that were set legitimately. McGwire's needs to be stripped, too. It's bullshyt. Almost all sports test, and apparently it's not that easy to pass anymore. . Tyler Hamilton just got nailed in cycling. All kinds of people have had their medals stripped in the past, etc. Hell, Ben Johnson had his stripped and his record. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a steroid-mandatory/aluminum bat league, just not in the majors.

Why does it even matter if he did? Baseball didn't have a rule against steroids until 2005!!!

Hey where jetski lives might be Nor Cal by zip code guidelines.. but the bay area is not NOR CAL to ppl who live north of Sac... Sac and south are all the city ppl.. North of sac only has one town over 70K ppl.... its plain old redneck, fast pace riding, good dark beer drinking ppl..lol I'm from nor cal though i prefer nevada now. However someone form SF or Fresno cant call it nor cal .. it should be Central cal.... True north is past Sac.. starts at about Marysville/Yuba city

Hey where jetski lives might be Nor Cal by zip code guidelines.. but the bay area is not NOR CAL to ppl who live north of Sac... Sac and south are all the city ppl.. North of sac only has one town over 70K ppl.... its plain old redneck, fast pace riding, good dark beer drinking ppl..lol I'm from nor cal though i prefer nevada now. However someone form SF or Fresno cant call it nor cal .. it should be Central cal.... True north is past Sac.. starts at about Marysville/Yuba city Live San Francisco :thumbs: True old days very few lived north of SF :crazy:

I've lived in San Diego, Scottsdale, and Ft. Lauderdale. You couldn't pay me to live in northern Cal. :puke: Must hurt to know that 150K house in San diego ten years ago is now worth 700K :dthumb: Its called supply and demand :smash: More people want to live here than houses :crazy:

Baseball is one of few sports where steroids donot help you much. Hand eye coordination will not impove with steroids use. If it only took strength to hit home runs half baseball players would look like football linemen :crazy: Then why would he do sterioids? It would seem to me that athletes that do steroids have an inferior complex. I think only a blind person can couldn't see the obvious changes in Bonds physical appearance and spending 6 hours a day in a gym (which I doubt) would not make those types of physical changes to someone. But hey, to each his own...........his use of drugs will catch up to him and his health will be affected. Oh well. :luck:

If you think Roids are not used by MANY baseball players then your also probably the same monkey that thinks NFL players are all clean and not a bunch of coke heads bangin hot white chicks! :dthumb:

SMOKIN is worse than taking ROIDS as far as the long run an over all health.