turbo?, looking for 200hp

I do not yet know too much about tuning bikes yet but i have a lot of experience tuning cars, and my question is which bike is the best to mod. Heres what im looking to accomplish, I want 200hp. on a late 90's liter bike. If at all possible I would like to know about any kind of turbo upgrade kits out there, while keeping the hayabusa out of the topic. Im not interested in a busa because of the feel of the bike. feels too much like a cruiser in my opinion, so any turbo kits for the cbr's or gsxr's something like that. One last question, I heard a rumor of a turbo kit for the 04 ninjas over seas, any truth to this? thanks for any help.

Old Gsxxers rock! :thumbs:

This would even be better than NOS... ATTN Scott!! GS, I would say there is always a part if you have the desire to get it...but heavy mod may be required!

I spent around 9000 turboing my car,(not including the car). Would my price be the same? Ive always thought it would be a lot cheaper but you cant be cheap doing something like this. I personally would like to do this project on a 954, but i have seen close to 200hp on a few gsxr1000's. I "could" just buy a turbo and fabricate the header into it but i dont know where to get a turbo small enough, and would rather get a turbo kit to eliminate a lot of questions im about to face doing it the hard'er way.

Well is you spend 4K, APE makes a kit for the Gixxer 1000's to get 195 Hp out of them with no turbo on pump gas. Also they make any engine kit with a turbo that will throw 350 hp. Im buying a few thing for my gixxers from there but I have to stay in the "race legal" area.

I was at Brighton Super bike last night and they had a 2002 (or so) GSXR 1000 that laid down 195hp at the rear!!! And it looks completely stock!!

http://www.velocityracing.com - enter and click on "turbo systems". Gixxer 1000 and ZX-12 (plus Busa of course).

VelocityRacing will def give ya a GREAT system.. and as far as turbo size.. bikes spin such high RPMs youd be amazed at the size turbos they use.. youll find most run AT LEAST a 14G turbo on a 600.. literbikes are running over 16G most of em ported 20G if they are making over 400HP. And id LOVE to turbo my bike Gas... nakid with the turbo just hanging out... but that would cost more htne building my motor and Gassing it at the same time..... The 5K or so it would take to do the turbo to make ~180 isnt worth it.. 5K and i can build then spray my bike up to 240HP. if i turbod it id want the internals stripped out and forged I beam rods. Keep in mind to turbo it id need a very $$$ computer to run it all.. with nos i cna just use a timing retarder and a PC3 for over a 40 shot at least. prob have to spend alot to spray a 80 shot.. and then id send relaiblility to hell so i prob wont ever use over a 30shot actually. But hell gimme hte money to Turbo my nakid and build the motor and id be dman happy.. shoot while im add it gimme a Ti frame all CF body... if i win the loto ill do all the above plus replace every screw with Ti and do wave rotors nad Ti brake hoses..lol hell i could spend over 100K on my bike... even my handle bars would be either CF or Ti. I make less take home $ per month then most you guys pay for your morgages... my take home is just over 1500$ and ive got the CC, rent, bike payemnts,.. insurance on a 1000cc sportbike at 21, cell phone and truck payments all to make... two bikes and a truck cost enough to maintain and use.. so for me to spring for NOS is a big economic investment... but hey for 500$ im not gonna get more fun for someone addicted to speed..so that may be all i cna do and thats a maybe right now due my C()NT of a manger from the aparmtnets i just moved from.. shes tyring to charge me a extra 125$ for a stain on the carpet... carpet that was replaced... and even if i hadnt got a dog pee stian on it was so worn out chunks came out on vacumming.... i feel so ripped. if anyone wants to donate a NX nitrous(or any other brand) kit htough lemme know :whistle: :wink:

:here: GodSpeed; keep us updated on your research and what you end up doing. There is not enough straight roads around here to open up a stock GSXR 1000, my less a 400hp turbo bike. Die a little faster. (sound like a 007 flick) :lol: I agree if money was no object than look out. Turbo for a bike is just not for me. I like to go fast but I like to do it in a corner. :wink:

hey go to kawiforums.com and look up a guy named stevep he has a blue 6r and 10r bothe are 03 or newer. he has both of them all chrome and turbo. he seems to knwo what he is doing.

Heck just re-mortgage the house and do 'er up Scott!!!

If you are really interested in turbos, you should go to www.suzukihayabusa.org and take a look. Go to the turbotech thread and read all about them. Then, email Dennis (The Motorhead) and ask him any questions that you might have. He is located outside Cleveland, Ohio and is recognised as one who knows. He has done many turbos and stands behind his work. A lso, his ghetto system is designed to run on pump gas and with a stock engine. On a Hayabusa, his ghetto system will produce 320 hp. Of course, he also runs some bigger turbos. Currently, he is aiming for 600+ hp.

I agree with fasterbusa. Dennis Stedman.:aka"motorhead" is the authority on motorcycle turbo systems. give him a call and get some prices. he has whats called a ghetto kit for busas. basically a budget system without sacrificing reliability and he may have similar setups for other makes of bikes. he has most gsxr's covered already. but on another note an early model gixxer 1000 with some headwork,cams,full exhaust(BDE or Akro), and a power commander will get you really close to the 200hp you want and still be under the $4,000+ you'll spend on a turbo. call me old fashioned but i still like pure all motor hp cause when ppl ask me in person it's completely stock other than exhaust!! :redevil:

If you are really interested in turbos, you should go to www.suzukihayabusa.org and take a look. Go to the turbotech thread and read all about them. Then, email Dennis (The Motorhead) and ask him any questions that you might have. He is located outside Cleveland, Ohio and is recognised as one who knows. He has done many turbos and stands behind his work. A lso, his ghetto system is designed to run on pump gas and with a stock engine. On a Hayabusa, his ghetto system will produce 320 hp. Of course, he also runs some bigger turbos. Currently, he is aiming for 600+ hp. And it's Webb!!! What's going on there man??? :twfrox:

Gas-- i dont have a mortgage to re-do.. i have roomates cuz im 21 and make 11.28 an hour...lol But if i get the police job that im going through the hiring process for now.. look out ill have the fast bike east of Cal and west of Denver.....thne ill keep roomates another year just to get $6K into my bike's motor.

Hey there Chris and the rest of the WOS gang! You know how it is...lurk, lurk, lurk. The best thing about going the route of the Ghetto turbo that Dennis handles is the ultimate cost savings. Don't forget, this is all done on an internally stock engine. Pipes, dyno time, Pistons and other internal mods, more dyno time, cams, degreeing and timing, more dyno time and so on. All of this can be enjoyable, entertaining and costly to the bike owner. However, for $3999 (don't worry, you can spend more on extras or larger components) you can start with a stock bike and eliminate all of the other expenses and just increase your hp farther, easier and cheaper with something like the Ghetto turbo kit. Now, one can go the engine buildup route and make even more hp, but the turbo is the simpliest and cheapest way to go. Of course, most of us start out the other way, pipes and boxes and dyno time and ... .... At least give Dennis a call if only to become more aware of your possible choices.

Scott...that's ok...you get my point!! Good luck with that cop hiring process...it's ruff, my bro has been dealing with it for like a year and a half... FBusa... Yeah, I understand...but I don't do it... :lol: Some would argue that you'll be faster with chassis & suspension upgrades over engine/hp upgrades!!

Gas- with my bike the chasis upgrades would all be custom and experimental.. and the Z1000 isnt the bike to dump money into for a track bike.. id go to a Zx10R for that.... Eventual goal for the Z is drag and stunt bike. with a 10R to play on.. for now i think im gonna regear my 500 ultra low and stunt it to learn on a bike i can drop and not cry over.

I wish I had a stunt bike.... :cry:

You do, its orange and in our garage. FasterBusa i agree, motorwork is so much better. And a busa with motor work less hp that a turbo kills the turbo Busa's all day. The turbo takes to long to spool up and start making power. I can post an artical if you like about it.

You do, its orange and in our garage. Confusion sets on this side of the forum??? :skep: :crazy:

Twisty- thats all in the build....If you use a 14G turbo it will boost at under 5K./..and when u racewhens it under 5K? People who build a ported 20G turbo to only boost 5 lbs are wasting money and speed.... Tubrbos too big for their intended use is ramped... a stock turbo of a Talon TSi will spoonm imedialty on a sport bike and make 8-10 pound and kick in 3K RPMs sooner..... a turbo designed to make it fast instead of look good on paper will domiate a motor busa.. and motor work is limited.. u cna still build the motor and put in cams made for a turbo into the busa and run it faster then hell... I think most turbo kits are amatuer jobs and dont get nearly the gains they should.. if u build a turbo for a busa there prob less the 5 ppl world wide id let build it. First choice would be Velocity... but not a huge kit, just the stage one with motor mods tio acomapny it.. that kit will give ya relaible motor and 8sec passes..... anyone with a stage three set up thats not a pro rider would probalby be slower on the stage three set up cuase it wouldnt be controlable,.

You guys are all out of your minds!!!! 400hp sportbikes thats out of control, but very interesting at the same time :dthumb:

Twisty- thats all in the build....If you use a 14G turbo it will boost at under 5K./..and when u racewhens it under 5K? People who build a ported 20G turbo to only boost 5 lbs are wasting money and speed.... Tubrbos too big for their intended use is ramped... a stock turbo of a Talon TSi will spoonm imedialty on a sport bike and make 8-10 pound and kick in 3K RPMs sooner..... a turbo designed to make it fast instead of look good on paper will domiate a motor busa.. and motor work is limited.. u cna still build the motor and put in cams made for a turbo into the busa and run it faster then hell... I think most turbo kits are amatuer jobs and dont get nearly the gains they should.. if u build a turbo for a busa there prob less the 5 ppl world wide id let build it. First choice would be Velocity... but not a huge kit, just the stage one with motor mods tio acomapny it.. that kit will give ya relaible motor and 8sec passes..... anyone with a stage three set up thats not a pro rider would probalby be slower on the stage three set up cuase it wouldnt be controlable,. A built engine will kill a turbo anyday with the same hp. Its that simple. I grew up in a horsepower household. I know the ins and the outs.

I'm with Twisty on this... a built motor will provide the POWER all the time... no spool up time!! However, the turbo's are very....shall we say... interesting and powerfull.

a all motor Versus a turbo motor yes... but a all motor busa will never make as much horsepower as a built turbo motor.. send me a dyno of a 400HP ALL MOTOR Busa... u may find one.... and it is prob getting rebuilt every 10K miles and running on VP gas.....Thats not practical. u can find plenty of 400HP Busa's runnign on pump premium and lasting over 25K..... Volumetric effeciancy on a ram air busa can't exceed 110%... on a turbo busa it can be well over 200%.... u cant built a all motor that can get as much air into it as a turbo....more air allows more gas at a good F:A ratio.. which is more power. A All motor top fuel dragster would get owned by EVERY supercharged same size motor on earth. For a mildly built motor... u can do it without charging the intake....but if u want to win a Dyno Shootout u arent gonna do it on all motor. Versus another guy with 20lbs boost and cams and bored and stroked on the same motor. Only thing u cna do on a all motor build that u cant with a boosted engine is compression and some timing.. thats only good for so much power. NOBODY will build a motor to outrun a Velocity racing stage three setup. Plus a turbo gives ya the ability to not use the power except hwen u want it....u cant de-tune a all motor setup on the fly like u can with a push buton boost controller.. build a 500 HP motor and a 500HP turbo and get em in corners..ill take the turbo that i can kill off at a touch and have under 300HP versus trying to control 500HP all motor in a corner. Motor- Good but not the best and not tunable on thye fly Turbo- Tunable on the fly and can be built for more HP when it comes time for a extreme HP build.

yeah built motor plus forced air = :drool: FACTOR!!!! :dthumb:

All very interesting stuff. very useful and thanks for all the names. So far Ive been putting some thought to it and im thinking of starting with turbo'ing my currrent bike, the 04 6RR over these next few months. BUT I've been reading a lot and I think turboing a busa is the way to go over the winter for my next project. Because you've got to think about what exactly you want out of your turbo project. whether you want just a quicker bike, or if you want to go all out and make something you can barely ride,lol, at least on a day to day basis and you can be proud of for the rest of your life. I checked out velocity racing and im thinking of just going all out on a mc project once the 6 is finished. granted I dont like the sit and ride of the busa persay( it seams too much like a cruiser and i like the sitting foward feel personally), when it comes to something that powerful im starting to think that the fit and ride of the hayabusa is benificial to so much power under neath you.

Godspeed... do something different... turbo and stretch out a 12R then!! Sense you're already a Kaw guy! It will beat the Busa anyway. Besides, I know we have all seen our fair share of turbo'ed and stretched out Busa's... :puke: on the busa!!! Or do a GSXR 1K! Just not a Busa!! :disapp:

u wanan stay kawi and get it faster then hell without needing to do much Turbo the Zx-10R... hell ud have 200HP with like 3 lbs boost...u could do a small turbo with no lag at all.

200hp on the 375# 10R would be SICK!!!! :drool:

my buddies busa, lee sheirts (sp) from north carolina built the motor...looking at 225hp motor only , with a nos stutter/progressive set up for another 70-80 hp..but he has a 55 gallon drum of vp gas in his garage.since it cant run on pump gas alone...but the bike is stretched and just flies.fastest bike ive ever rode..he has hit high 8's with the nos not working right...should be low 8's this summer when he gets things squared away..... http://gsxrjack.250free.com/newvideos/busa2.jpg

I'll start reading up on a 10r turboing job. One question from you any of you that have turbo'd their bikes..At what point for hp or torque would you say you'd really need to get the extended swingarm?

dont knwo if you seen my post b4 but on www.kawiforums.com there is a guy stevep how has alot of experience with turbos on kawis. matter a fact he has on on a 10r

I'll start reading up on a 10r turboing job. One question from you any of you that have turbo'd their bikes..At what point for hp or torque would you say you'd really need to get the extended swingarm? The Busa and like bikes, even the GSXR1000 could use a long swing arm in factory form. If the bike was to be used for straight ling racing. The longer the wheelbase, the harder it is to get the front up. the more hp the easier they come up.

I'll start reading up on a 10r turboing job. One question from you any of you that have turbo'd their bikes..At what point for hp or torque would you say you'd really need to get the extended swingarm? ever see the video of the R1 with the turbo...he is short shifting every gear and all the front end is doing is up and down, up and down :crazy: ... :dthumb:

my buddies busa, lee sheirts (sp) from north carolina built the motor...looking at 225hp motor only , with a nos stutter/progressive set up for another 70-80 hp..but he has a 55 gallon drum of vp gas in his garage.since it cant run on pump gas alone...but the bike is stretched and just flies.fastest bike ive ever rode..he has hit high 8's with the nos not working right...should be low 8's this summer when he gets things squared away..... http://gsxrjack.250free.com/newvideos/busa2.jpg While that's great and all...it's just another turboed, stretched out Busa to join the other 8 thousand of them!! :puke: I'm just plain sick of seeing them... Ghostrider has a turboed '04 GSXR 1K with a standard wheelbase and it is a wheelie MONSTER!!! I posted the vids a while back... crazy crap!!! Not only would it pull the front wheel up at like 160mph it would do a solid 300kph on the speedo.... being about 200mph... with ease!!! :drool:

While that's great and all...it's just another turboed, stretched out Busa to join the other 8 thousand of them!! :puke: I'm just plain sick of seeing them... Ghostrider has a turboed '04 GSXR 1K with a standard wheelbase and it is a wheelie MONSTER!!! I posted the vids a while back... crazy crap!!! Not only would it pull the front wheel up at like 160mph it would do a solid 300kph on the speedo.... being about 200mph... with ease!!! :drool: ahhh, no turbo...all motor with juice

Sorry... but the opinion still stands.... it's a pumped up juiced out stretched out :puke: Busa!!!

Sorry... but the opinion still stands.... it's a pumped up juiced out stretched out :puke: Busa!!! different strokes for different folks. thats what makes the world go round..........just wanted to say it was 225hp on all motor, and id put this kid against anyone and any bike ,against his busa on a road course...(course he has to raise it back up a bit and put the stock swingarm back on....this kid is the real deal on a bike.and he had a ton of suspension work before he stretched it out and lowered it due to not being able to see where he was going with the front wheel in his way...... :dthumb:

No I agree, I'm just stating my :2cents: I love to see a different type of big worked bike...

No I agree, I'm just stating my :2cents: I love to see a different type of big worked bike... you would have loved my gsxr1100 with the 1186 motor then :wink:

Do you still have pics of it and top speed?

Do you still have pics of it and top speed? top speed was 190 + on speedo in 5th with the juice on.....156 rear wheel hp (sad i spent over 3,000 on that motor and now stock bikes have almost as much) and a 50 shot nos...flatslide carbs and 4" extended arm...nice bike.... best 1/4 mile was 9.8@152 spinning all through 1st gear.....was a low 9 second bike (see speed in 1/4 mile) but it blew before i ever got some good rubber on the rear to make a good run....

Sounds sweet. Is that the bike in the 3rd pic in your signature?

Sounds sweet. Is that the bike in the 3rd pic in your signature? naw, that was my gsxr750....

:cheers: :dthumb:

I feel for ya Jack... the new '05 GSXR 1k is suppose to lay down 185hp!! Right out of the box!!

Gas.. the new GSXR and the 10R are both are that mark for Crank power.. i htink the 04 10R was 187.3 crank HP....might still top the 05 GSXR but prob not as good of areos as the normal competeing KAwi/Suz battles goe. But each is bout 155-158 RWHP......same as his modded 1187cc. No doubt though just a few bolt ons and the new 1000's make 200 at the crank. (full exhaust, PC3R and a filter and modded intake tract, and perhaps a timing advance to push her over 200)

I feel for ya Jack... the new '05 GSXR 1k is suppose to lay down 185hp!! Right out of the box!! that is insane, but again thats at the crank so pretty close to my 156 at the rear wheel...i should have went with the 13xx pistons :wink:

yeah u can always go bigger but later on there wil;l be a stock turbo literbike laying 200RWHP.. shoulda coulda... at the time 156RWHP was huge im sure