hey jap bike, look at this

for all those buell doubters, im not saying this is the best bike in the world, but hey, give it the respect it deserves. plus, next year the bike gets the more powerful, watercooled V-Rod engine. that should be interesting. anyways, download this artical and give some respect where it is due http://a1264.g.akamai.net/7/1264/1354/61c6a5cf78fab2/www.buell.com/en_us/news_events/pdf/performanceBikes.pdf

AAAAHHH the Buell sucks. The motor is built on tech form the 1950's and they are so slow that AMA, CCS and WERE have to give them their class because they keep getting a$$'s handed to them. So go polish you crome and try again later.

Now twisty, can't you play nice? If you don't have anything nice to say... :hug: To each his own, Buell certainly has its following.

Now twisty, can't you play nice? If you don't have anything nice to say... :hug: To each his own, Buell certainly has its following. Im just stating facts. I love twins but buell has been a disapointment. I would love for the American brand succeed but as long a Harley has their hand in the mixing bowl, it will never work.

Im just stating facts. I love twins but buell has been a disapointment. I would love for the American brand succeed but as long a Harley has their hand in the mixing bowl, it will never work. The V-Rod engine was codeveloped with Porsche. I think that's a move in the right direction. :wink:

What does Porsche know about motorcycles? Do they have any MotoGP championships under their belt, sure they are an awsome car company and my fav car period. But this is a bike we are talking about not a car.

Im excited to see what they can do with the V-Rod engine in there. I was sittin on the XB12r at the IMS, I was impressed with its size and the way the weight seemed to just not be there. It was small, light and flickable...I am interested as to the future of these. Sure seemed like it would be fun as hell to romp around on one o those..

AAAAHHH the Buell sucks. The motor is built on tech form the 1950's and they are so slow that AMA, CCS and WERE have to give them their class because they keep getting a$$'s handed to them. So go polish you crome and try again later. I have to agree with Twisty.. Sorry the truth hurts.. As long as Harley, (HD=Hundred Dollars - something you dish out everytime you go to the HD dealer which for most is once a week to fix their POS bikes), has their hand in it they will never produce a bike that even pales in comparsion to Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Honda, etc. And what is up with the belt drive? Belts SUCK.. That is why my buddy who drags this Harley spent lots of money putting a chain on this bike - he put kevlar belts on and SNAP! He has like 10 of them in his garage from snapping them at the track.. So he switched to a chain.. That belt **** is a joke, period.. .

The Buell effort in AMA Superbike this year will hopefully trickle some tech down to the production models.

I have to agree with Twisty.. Sorry the truth hurts.. As long as Harley, (HD=Hundred Dollars - something you dish out everytime you go to the HD dealer which for most is once a week to fix their POS bikes), has their hand in it they will never produce a bike that even pales in comparsion to Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Honda, etc. And what is up with the belt drive? Belts SUCK.. That is why my buddy who drags this Harley spent lots of money putting a chain on this bike - he put kevlar belts on and SNAP! He has like 10 of them in his garage from snapping them at the track.. So he switched to a chain.. That belt **** is a joke, period.. . The attached article seems to show otherwise as far as comparisons go. Personally, I could care less what type of bike anyone rides, as long as the person is having fun riding it. Buells don't suck... they are just different :thumbs: I ride a Buell, and I ride with a bunch of guys who ride R6's, R1's, GSXR's, and so on. Now, my lack of experience in comparison to them keeps me from staying close with them, but I would bet that the Buell will keep up with them with an equally experienced (to them) rider. The buell is a corner master, not a drag bike. Russ "I aspire to become so quick, that I could hunt rabbits with a hammer"

The attached article seems to show otherwise as far as comparisons go. Personally, I could care less what type of bike anyone rides, as long as the person is having fun riding it. Buells don't suck... they are just different :thumbs: I ride a Buell, and I ride with a bunch of guys who ride R6's, R1's, GSXR's, and so on. Now, my lack of experience in comparison to them keeps me from staying close with them, but I would bet that the Buell will keep up with them with an equally experienced (to them) rider. The buell is a corner master, not a drag bike. Russ "I aspire to become so quick, that I could hunt rabbits with a hammer" I never said it was a drag bike.. I was using my friend's drag bike as an example of why the belt is no good - belts are weak, chains are strong - bottom line.. I disagree with you saying the Buell will keep up with the R6s, R1s, GSXRs, etc. - look at AMA like Twisty said - they can't keep up, period.. They get lapped like 5 times in a 10 lap race.. But besides all that if you ride a Buell and you are happy with it then more power to you.. To each his own.. I prefer to go the "jap" bike route and wouldn't ride anything but Yamaha.. My opinion is the American bike companies haven't stepped up to the plate yet so I wouldn't consider that route.. If they could get rid of that belt and improve their performance and reliability I would consider them before any jap scrap, but they don't and probably never will, so I won't..

The VRod motor will be an improvement, but remember the HD VR1000 race bike. It rarely finished a race and that was a factory effort! HD, give eric buell a clean sheet of paper and allow him to use NO parts bin parts.

I never said it was a drag bike.. I was using my friend's drag bike as an example of why the belt is no good - belts are weak, chains are strong - bottom line.. I disagree with you saying the Buell will keep up with the R6s, R1s, GSXRs, etc. - look at AMA like Twisty said - they can't keep up, period.. They get lapped like 5 times in a 10 lap race.. But besides all that if you ride a Buell and you are happy with it then more power to you.. To each his own.. I prefer to go the "jap" bike route and wouldn't ride anything but Yamaha.. My opinion is the American bike companies haven't stepped up to the plate yet so I wouldn't consider that route.. If they could get rid of that belt and improve their performance and reliability I would consider them before any jap scrap, but they don't and probably never will, so I won't.. I didn't mean to imply that you were comparing the buell to a drag bike... I was just making the point that it was a good corner carver. And I agree, the chain is better than the belt. I have been contemplating changing mine over to a chain drive. The belt does make me a little nervous sometimes. I give it a good looking over before every ride. On the track, yes, the buell is not competitive with the japs and italians, but with your every day street riders, I would say they are a bit more even juding from the article. And in the future, I hope to be able to improve my riding skills enough to keep up with the folks I ride with. My first bike was a 77 Suzuki GS550, then I moved on to an 87 GSXR750. I loved that thing, and still wish I had it. The in-line 4 is a great motor, as well as the jap V-twins. They just make a more speed friendly engine setup; shorter stroke so they can get higher rpms, and it works great. I think Buell would have definately been a better bike had Eric Buell not gone back to Harley. He should have just kept Buell his own so he could have more control.

AAAAHHH the Buell sucks. The motor is built on tech form the 1950's and they are so slow that AMA, CCS and WERE have to give them their class because they keep getting a$$'s handed to them. So go polish you crome and try again later. I can see your upset, your name is twisty, but when it comes to the twisties, my bike eats yours up. :bthorse: dude, I can except some critisism towards my bike, but dont be ignorant. yes the bike has its downfalls (engine, belt drive), but still it has its charm. the thing has just so much torque so low, whenever I race any jap bikes, they dont think im being serious because they cant hear me revving the hell out of my engine to take off. it just takes off at near idle and then im gone. ive riden jap bikes before and they are damn fast, my friends R1 is just insane. but I can keep up with him until about 120 miles no problem. in the end, unless you do lots of track days, buells are just more fun to ride.

WOW, the newbie beer, is calling out Twisty!!! Beer, I say bring it to the GAP the week of Memorial Day and we'll see what your Buell has! But I'm with most of these people. Buells are OK bikes! I like that most people that ride them have their own special taste in bikes. Getting a bike with some soul! But to say that they are going to compete with the various Jap bikes, is speaking garbage! It's like you're :puke: in your words. :sorry: Yes, they have good amounts of torque, but so does a TL1000R and it will eat any Buell! Remember this... numbers are numbers... wieght, hp, torque to get power to weight ratio... that doesn't lie! What happens when you do this???? Anybody know??? I do... the Beull comes up short. It's just the truth.. Do they have some good ideas!! Heck ya! The fuel tank and oil tank in frame & swingarm!!! That just rocks! But it just isn't enough!! The best thing for Buell is to have another company get into it and dump HD!! HD produces nothing but oil dripping junk!! I WILL NEVER own a HD!! NEVER!! Yes, Shan, the V-rod was a good step. But that's a cruiser and not a sportbike... if we're going to debate the bikes, let's stay on track with the sportbikes... :sorry: if somebody doesn't like my opinion...but it's just my :2cents:

hey gas man, I can except that. I can respect other peoples opinion(and can listen to reason). but I just hate when people say my bike sucks. if you read that article, it shows how much potential buell has. granted the ol harley twin isnt helping, of coarse in the straight aways any litre bike will beat mine. but when it comes to street use, the buell is one of the funnest bikes on the road. not to mention, it really does rip in the corners, ive never felt so comfident. I hate people who just comment on the buells cause everyone who owns a jap bike thinks they suck. twisty, read the article, then you can make an educated comment and I will have more respect for what you say.

I am considering the new Buell with Vrod motor as a replacement for the Monster. I am tempted to bring the Monster to the Gap just to show some of you what there about. The current Buell can stomp my 96 M900 in speed and with the added ground clearances in handling. I have ridden several Buell's and was very impressed. With that being said! NO a buell will never keep up with a R6 or GSXR etc. at race pace. (it wasn't built to do so) I can ride the Monster faster than most can ride a GSXR in the corners. And Beer, I doughty a factory Buell with all the extra go fast goodies on it would ever have a chance in Hell of keeping up with a R1 past about 40mph. I am not knocking you bike! Im even considering getting one but, I have ridden all of them even the Blast so Im speaking from experience!

:twfrox:Oh Yea welcome Beer Rider! :twfrox:

hey gas man, I can except that. I can respect other peoples opinion(and can listen to reason). but I just hate when people say my bike sucks. if you read that article, it shows how much potential buell has. granted the ol harley twin isnt helping, of coarse in the straight aways any litre bike will beat mine. but when it comes to street use, the buell is one of the funnest bikes on the road. not to mention, it really does rip in the corners, ive never felt so comfident. I hate people who just comment on the buells cause everyone who owns a jap bike thinks they suck. twisty, read the article, then you can make an educated comment and I will have more respect for what you say. No, I have no doubt that the Buells are a fun bike to ride. The torque and the short wheel base would add up to some major fun. Glad to see that you and I understand each other. I won't just straight up bash any bike, I may come off that way, but I have my reasons... Keep the shinny side up!!

twisty, read the article, then you can make an educated comment and I will have more respect for what you say. Sure they can handle but there motor lacks the power to get out the way of itself. They are cute little bike but they cant hang with us big boys. They have a 1200CC motor that gets owened by 600cc bikes on the track. My opinion is that it's harley and it falls under the Harley way of thinking. Heavy, slow and old tech. After the AMA Buell gets a$$ whooped,probley getting lapped many many times, I will repost to this tread and we will all have a good giggle. Keep your respect, I dont need it.

and that my friends is Twisty at his best!! :lol:

and that my friends is Twisty at his best!! :lol: You act like it is a bad thing :lol:

Never said that... it just amusing!! :lol:

hey gas man, I can except that. I can respect other peoples opinion(and can listen to reason). but I just hate when people say my bike sucks. if you read that article, it shows how much potential buell has. granted the ol harley twin isnt helping, of coarse in the straight aways any litre bike will beat mine. but when it comes to street use, the buell is one of the funnest bikes on the road. not to mention, it really does rip in the corners, ive never felt so comfident. I hate people who just comment on the buells cause everyone who owns a jap bike thinks they suck. twisty, read the article, then you can make an educated comment and I will have more respect for what you say. You say the Buell is the funnest.....it's opinion and those are like arse holes, everyone has one. I do, you do, Twisty does, etc. Twisty doesn't like anything but Gixxers. He puts my Kaw down all the time. Do I get mad, NO. I don't care what Twisty thinks, I love my bike and I ride what i love...just like you do. You say your Buell is best because it's fun....maybe fun for you but I'll always have more fun on MY bike then any Buell...why, I'll never own one because it's nothing but a HD and I hate HD. What I'm getting at is don't take it personally that someone doesn't like Buell. You sound like a HD guy. My parents are friends with a bunch and they rag on sportbikes all day long and tell me how great HD is. Then I get going on HD being junk and they get irated.....it's so funny. I really get em going. But anyway, what I'm saying is just like what you like and stand behind it but if someone doesn't like what you do, don't take offense to it. We all ride what we want to ride and what makes US happy...not someone else. My bike is the funnest as far as I'm concerned but Twisty, Gas, would tell you otherwise...because they think their Gixxer or ZX9R is the funnest. Make sense???

when HD first raced ama superbike 1994 i think, they did pretty good with the riders they had on them..they qualified top ten, 3 or 4 seconds behind the leader for the daytona 200, but i beleive they had problems during the race...actually they had a lot of problems during the ama scheldule that year but i do beleive they finished on the podium once or twice during that season or the next. now when HD hired scott russell to ride, they bike was running real good, i remember the top speed on the bankings was right up there with the other top bikes...and with probably the best daytona rider on it, HD had a great chance that year..(think it was 2000 but not sure), unfortunately, scott russell has a big mouth, and the night before the daytona 200, he was in a bar and a bunch of harley bikers shut it for him pretty good and he wasnt able to race the following day...not sure where he qualified that year, but the bike was running good....so much for HD racing in ama.....

Yeah after Scott the got Pascal, Man he realy went down hill from there. I think he is racing in the CAN SuperBike series now.

I was hoping that Russell would make a showing! Picot just couldn't make it work at all.

Yeah after Scott the got Pascal, Man he realy went down hill from there. I think he is racing in the CAN SuperBike series now. I think scott and pascal both raced for HD at the same time,till scott was told to leave, that was a good team, but it just didnt pan out....

:yikes: Hey I will say this... WOS is going to go to a Buell demo day in May...then we'll find out the real deal 125%!!! I can't wait to see their facial expression when 20 jap sportbikes roll up and want to take their Buell for a test run!!! :yikes: :lol:

You act like it is a bad thing :lol: Twisty tell them how Yamaha is the best and how you plan to win on your Team Blue and White R6 this year at the track - DO IT!.. lol.. The GSXR boy has gone soft.. He admitted to me in person the other day Yamahas are better - his words and I quote "cheaper, fast as f***" and I made him admit "reliable".. He will be Team Yamaha in no time.. Anyone want to buy a GSXR or 6? He will be selling them by the end of this Summer.. :jacked:

Twisty tell them how Yamaha is the best and how you plan to win on your Team Blue and White R6 this year at the track - DO IT!.. lol.. The GSXR boy has gone soft.. He admitted to me in person the other day Yamahas are better - his words and I quote "cheaper, fast as f***" and I made him admit "reliable".. He will be Team Yamaha in no time.. Anyone want to buy a GSXR or 6? He will be selling them by the end of this Summer.. :jacked: I never said reliable....

You sound like a HD guy. My parents are friends with a bunch and they rag on sportbikes all day long and tell me how great HD is. oh god, I must sound like such a loser. No I dont like HDs, and please dont compare me to your parents. im 20 dude. but i dont consider buell, harley. yah the engine is, but everything else on the bike is so far ahead of harley. Ive owned my bike for 2 weeks now and so as you can tell, I am just in LOVE with the thing. I had a 91 GSX-R 750 before this one, and even though the bike was fun, this bike is just leaps ahead of it. Im not quite sure what turned me over to the dark side, but even though the engine doesnt perform as good as the inline 4, it really sounds badass, and it is by far the best wheelie bike ive ever ridden, except for my friends honda 125 dirtbike. anyways, I dont want beef with anyone, twisty, you just dissed my bike, i had to fire back. :cheers: its all in the spirit of riding.

oh god, I must sound like such a loser. No I dont like HDs, and please dont compare me to your parents. im 20 dude. but i dont consider buell, harley. yah the engine is, but everything else on the bike is so far ahead of harley. Ive owned my bike for 2 weeks now and so as you can tell, I am just in LOVE with the thing. I had a 91 GSX-R 750 before this one, and even though the bike was fun, this bike is just leaps ahead of it. Im not quite sure what turned me over to the dark side, but even though the engine doesnt perform as good as the inline 4, it really sounds badass, and it is by far the best wheelie bike ive ever ridden, except for my friends honda 125 dirtbike. anyways, I dont want beef with anyone, twisty, you just dissed my bike, i had to fire back. :cheers: its all in the spirit of riding. I never take anything personal. :nono: I got better things to do.

oh god, I must sound like such a loser. No I dont like HDs, and please dont compare me to your parents. im 20 dude. but i dont consider buell, harley. yah the engine is, but everything else on the bike is so far ahead of harley. Ive owned my bike for 2 weeks now and so as you can tell, I am just in LOVE with the thing. I had a 91 GSX-R 750 before this one, and even though the bike was fun, this bike is just leaps ahead of it. Im not quite sure what turned me over to the dark side, but even though the engine doesnt perform as good as the inline 4, it really sounds badass, and it is by far the best wheelie bike ive ever ridden, except for my friends honda 125 dirtbike. anyways, I dont want beef with anyone, twisty, you just dissed my bike, i had to fire back. :cheers: its all in the spirit of riding. I know how it is. My ZX7R is the best bike on earth. Funnest thing around, guaranteed!!!!!!!! :cheers:

Hey Beer! You will see that every company's bikes are leaps ahead from any bike that is 10+ years old. So that is no big surprise! But on a better note... check out this thread on TWF.... Buell Vids (http://www.twowheelforum.com/showthread.php?t=2614&highlight=buell) :twfrox:

Beer - not to be a prick or anything but a 91 GSXR vs. say a 01 GSXR is like worlds apart in technology in everything from chassis, suspension, engine, etc. So I am just saying you can't base that dinosaur on your comparsion to the new Buell.. A new Goldwing is probably a nicer ride than say an older Hurricane... Like I said before though - if you love your bike that is all that matters.. Doesn't matter what I or anyone else has to say about it.. Twisty - oh yeah reliable was words I put in your mouth.. lol.. Just seeing if you were paying attention.. Its ok to disown the GSXR and love Yamaha.. All the best riders do..

We'll see. HD, Buell same thing....:gay:

We'll see. HD, Buell same thing....:gay: what ever dude, your not even worth my time. im surprised you would give up your internet time to even go out and ride. seems all your about is trying to look cool to a bunch of people you dont know. :dthumb:

Hey beer...sense you and I seem to be ok.... I can easily say.... I know Twisty very well....and so do about 12+ more people around here!! So that's not going to work... :D

Yea man just :chill: Its all in fun! :wink: :lol:

what ever dude, your not even worth my time. im surprised you would give up your internet time to even go out and ride. seems all your about is trying to look cool to a bunch of people you dont know. :dthumb: I would be riding, but theres this white stuff on the ground. If i wasnt worth your time you wouldnt have replied back.... :skep:

first of all, a few of you got it right the KAwi's are the best... however Zx9R or ZX7R... sorry its just not a Z1000... mines got a bored out Zx9R motor but more comfy, andh as a gas gauge. :lol: Now as far as buell, it has ONLY ONE PROBLEM, the motor. Give it a Buell brand inline $ and i htink sales and cpomparing it for racing would both jump... Hell id even buy it if u take harley 100% away from it.

first of all, a few of you got it right the KAwi's are the best... however Zx9R or ZX7R... sorry its just not a Z1000... mines got a bored out Zx9R motor but more comfy, andh as a gas gauge. :lol: Now as far as buell, it has ONLY ONE PROBLEM, the motor. Give it a Buell brand inline $ and i htink sales and cpomparing it for racing would both jump... Hell id even buy it if u take harley 100% away from it. Ok how about an S&S motor?

Ok how about an S&S motor? S&S are to heavy. The bike -motor is sweet but unless they get away from Harley they will never compete with the japs. Heck the Italians have a hard time too.

I MEANT AN INLINE 4 NOT $ S&S still is just a twin too, they need a 4 cylinder to have a chance... or even a triple.... they will keep up till pretty damn high with a 4, my roomates Daytona 955i is damn fast and still wheelies liek a twin. Buell should get all creative and build its own 4 cylinder , or even a 5. But i dont see them doing it, ever its that damn american twin thing that makes no sense to me.

Honda and Suzuki seem to have done twins right. I don't see why Buell couldn't.

my only prob with twins on a STREET bike is that to make power to run with a 4 cyl liter bike, its gotta really be a hopped up twin, a RC51 will dominate a lot of 4cyl literbikes.. but only till ya get over 100.. on a full quater mile (or longer as a common street romp would be) it gets passed easily. RC51's are nice bikes but the twin cant make 200HP and be perfectly relaible like a 4cyl can.... the WSB series Twins get rebuild more often the 4 cylinders have ot be as they were breaking much more.. Ducati said their motors were at the edge of its power potential last year and made like 200HP even almost, they had to be rebuild every 7.5K kilos to stay running. theres 4 cyl bikes on the street that make 25K miles easy....thats like 4 times farther then the Twin race bike that makes the same power. I love twins... the feeling is great.. if i could own a Rc51 in addition to my bike id love to have one.....cant make a 4 cyl stunt like a twin and stay as ridable on the street. 4's gotta be too ultra low geared to be useable off the stunt circuit where a twin can put it up with higher gearign and still run on the freeway at 90mph. Different motors for differnet purposes... But for a street rider who likes to be competitive all around.. a 4 is hard to beat

To me, your post makes more of an argument for IL4-s being more track oriented than street. I like to have my power right off idle.. for street riding, that is where you want it. As much as we all like the 100+mph blasts, in street riding you dont get to spend as much time up there.

in heavy traffic no, but it take only about 9.3 sec to hit 100.... i can hit that and faster all over hte place here... and as long as u are in car traffic not truxks theres room to split lanes at 100+... if im gonna race the VAST majority of the time is 100+..... and if u run hte freeway route u better have a bike that'll pull hard to over 150 or u wont see anythiugn but a taillight in the distance.. twins just dont offer that.. and many 4's are faster at like 60+ then twins.. not just 100.

Over 150mph? Yer still talking track. Noone gets to ride that fast on the street very much, and if you do, you wont be riding for long! At least up here! Ill totally give you that a 1000 CC I4 is going to have more performance than a 1000 CC twin, but I will not agree that a twin is worse for the street.

Over 150mph? Yer still talking track. Noone gets to ride that fast on the street very much, and if you do, you wont be riding for long! At least up here! Ill totally give you that a 1000 CC I4 is going to have more performance than a 1000 CC twin, but I will not agree that a twin is worse for the street. I agree. I have owned many of both. The twin is much better in street riding conditions. My Tl was awsome up untill I had the motor hyped. Twins need less RMS to get moving and make power so much lower that for the street it makes since. Just to prove my point that they are better on the street, every scooter manufators scooters are twins or a single. WHY? because they are better for the street. Engine: 638cc, four-stroke, liquid-cooled, !twin-cylinder!, DOHC, 4-valve Bore Stroke: 75.5 x 71.3mm Compression Ratio: 11.2:1 Fuel System: Fuel Injection Lubrication: Wet Sump Ignition: Digital/Transistorized Transmission: Electronically-controlled, CVT- automatic Final Drive: Gear Overall Length: 2260mm (89.0 in.) Overall Width: 810mm (31.9 in.) Overall Height: 1435mm (56.5 in.) Seat Height: 750mm (29.5 in.) Ground Clearance: 130mm (5.1 in.) Wheelbase: 1595mm (62.8 in.) Dry Weight: 238kg (524 lbs.) Suspension Front: Telescopic, oil damped Suspension Rear: Twin shock, adjustable preload Brakes Front: Dual hydraulic disc Brakes Rear: Single hydraulic disc Tires Front: 120/70-R15 Tires Rear: 160/60-R14 Fuel Tank Capacity: 15 liter (4.0 gal.) Color: Silver, Black

Hey Twisty, I checked out your site. That Deal's Gap video is really cool! Nice Site!

Hey Twisty, I checked out your site. That Deal's Gap video is really cool! Nice Site! Thanks glad you enjoyed it, I had a great time making it :pat:

and we're going back to make another vid!!!

Once I get a bit more experience under my belt (when I got my buell in September, I had been off bikes for about 15 years), I'll be there. I'm still working on not fighting against the bike in the corners. I got Twist of the wrist, and refreshed my memory with that. Not all I need to do is increase the skills. I need to get to an ameture track day here at Barbers too. The folks I ride with say that it helps build the confidence back. I aspire to be so quick that I could hunt rabbits with a hammer. Russ

Once I get a bit more experience under my belt (when I got my buell in September, I had been off bikes for about 15 years), I'll be there. I'm still working on not fighting against the bike in the corners. I got Twist of the wrist, and refreshed my memory with that. Not all I need to do is increase the skills. I need to get to an ameture track day here at Barbers too. The folks I ride with say that it helps build the confidence back. I aspire to be so quick that I could hunt rabbits with a hammer. Russ Track days are great for that! :dthumb: