bumblebee 05-18-2005, 11:54 AM Wait a minute!!! I get stopped and given a $75.00 ticket for a seatbelt violation...and these people want to take tax money from citizens and do this??? :scratch: ... :scratch: ... :wtf:
Madison, Wisconsin
Undocumented workers who are taking steps toward citizenship can now apply for housing assistance.
Tuesday night, in a vote of 15-4, a majority of the Madison Common Council signed off on a resolution allowing undocumented workers to apply for low-interest housing loans through the city Community Development Block Grant programs.
One stipulation, workers must have an individual tax identification number (ITIN), meaning they pay federal taxes, to apply for a loan.
Opponents say city leaders shouldn't condone illegal activity, by supporting those who don't follow immigration laws.
But supporters say the idea is supported by HUD, the US Department of Housing and Urban Development. They also say the issue isn't about immigration, it's about providing an equal opportunity for those who live and work in Madison.
Although the resolution passed, the debate isn't over.
State Senator Glenn Grothman says he intends to add an amendment to Senate Bill 43, which is aimed at stopping the Wisconsin Housing and Economic Development Authority (WHEDA) from following similar guidelines.
The amendment would counteract Madison's resolution.
2FURYUS 05-18-2005, 12:00 PM How funny....see my reply in your other thread about the new mayor of L.A.
We are already overrun by illegal aliens, and now they want to give them benefits too.
Bush is already trying to institute the illegal immigrant good worker program. Three yrs in the U.S. (employed) and you get a green card.
Gas Man 05-18-2005, 12:05 PM Hold ON!!!
They are ILLEGAL people! Doesn't that word mean anything!!
Close the F'in gates and shut them out!! Take all the ILLEGAL imigrants and kick them out!! This is BS! We have too many hard working people here that can't make ends meat anyway!!
I swear I hate this ulta liberal CRAP! I don't know if I'm ever going to make it to 30 as a free man. One of these days I'm going to come across one of these idiots and I swear I'mg going to smash their head in!!
2FURYUS 05-18-2005, 12:16 PM And the best part....they qualify for loans that you or I don't. :scratch:
EIDROEDYR 05-18-2005, 12:28 PM Illegal immigrants have been making their way into US for years and seem to only become a "major" issue post 9-11. It has gotten to the point that English is becoming a second language but I get more heated at those that take advantage of benefits (federal/state/city) that target certain demographics deemed truly needy.
Gas Man 05-18-2005, 12:32 PM Well my issue with it stems from way before 9-11!!
2FURYUS 05-18-2005, 04:50 PM Well my issue with it stems from way before 9-11!!
lol, I hear ya, same here...waaaaayyyyy before.
JK_DILLA 05-18-2005, 05:07 PM Wait till Jesse Jackson and the ACLU get wind of this.
SpeedWerks.com 05-18-2005, 05:19 PM I swear I hate this ulta liberal CRAP!
The problem is .. it's not just the liberals.
The Liberals want it because ... um, well, they're liberals.
The conservatives/republicans want it because the big business want nice cheap labor.
Meanwhile, our job market and economy go in the toilet.
- Roach
bumblebee 05-18-2005, 06:25 PM Yeah that is kind of strange...most of the big companies target their marketing towards the "blue collar" working families. Who are they going to sell Boats and Jetskis and HD boat anchors, and plasma TV's to when they have sent all of the "blue Collar" jobs to the Pacific Rim?
Gas Man 05-18-2005, 09:36 PM You may be right Brian but it still sucks!!!
CLOSE THE DAMN DOORS!
jetskifast 05-18-2005, 10:04 PM Correct, big business only reason we have Illegal imigrants. Bush could stop illegal imigrant problem, IF HE WANTED :rant:
All you have to do is sieze farms, have $million fines for businesses who employee illegals :yesnod:
Bush must be supporting all those liberal big business owners :lol:
Hold ON!!!
They are ILLEGAL people! Doesn't that word mean anything!!
Close the F'in gates and shut them out!! Take all the ILLEGAL imigrants and kick them out!! This is BS! We have too many hard working people here that can't make ends meat anyway!!
I swear I hate this ulta liberal CRAP! I don't know if I'm ever going to make it to 30 as a free man. One of these days I'm going to come across one of these idiots and I swear I'mg going to smash their head in!!
R1up0n1 05-18-2005, 10:23 PM :flush: = illegal immigrants
mlkx3 05-18-2005, 11:57 PM :cursin: Some of you guys just dont get it. This country was populated with people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families! There is no arguing that. If they want to come here for a better life, then let them. Yes some bad eggs are gonna migrate over as well but so what, its not any worse than whats already here. If your really concerned about them working for cheaper and taking your jobs then fight the companies who abuse it. And having had a Mexican working for me who was trying to get citizenship forced me to realize that we take advantage of to much, and he just wanted a little. By the way, best worker I ever had.
jeeps84 05-19-2005, 12:24 AM We don't need any help promoting to get them here. :nonod:
We need help catching them and sending them home.
Yea there good workers.
They don't want you to complain and seed them back.
I am not a predigest person but, I take offence to anybody dumb enough to take a job paying 1/2 of the going rate. :screwy:
Most of the Illegal do this because the boss's know they are and take advantage of it. :rant:
You want a fair & equal work force?
Right your congress and tell them how you fell.
If enough do it, we will eventually see results. :dthumb:
I remember seeing some where back in the mid 90's a statement that I believe is coming true.
It said something like;
By the year 2025 the Spanish nationality would be the dominant race in the US. :yikes:
Our government must have saw that and are trying to make it happen! :cursin:
2FURYUS 05-19-2005, 08:44 AM Don't kid yourselves....we need migrant workers... Americans don't want to and won't do farm/manual (or whatever you want to call it) labor for $5/hr.
And if we stopped total immigration and paid higher wages, that basket of strawberries would cost $10 instead of $2....
We just need better control of the immigration process and we're getting there...take it from a guy who does this for a living.
My beef is making them pay taxes and for the benefits they receive. This country puts out over $8 billion a yr for illegal immigrant health and welfare. That's just f'n ridiculous. :rant:
Okay...I'm done now thanks.
SpeedWerks.com 05-19-2005, 09:27 AM :cursin: Some of you guys just dont get it. This country was populated with people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families! There is no arguing that. If they want to come here for a better life, then let them.
Yes, including my family (we've only been here since the late 1800s on my mom's side).
The difference is ... they immegrated legally.
We're talking about illegal immigrants here ... not legal ones.
The difference is that legal immigrants get paid at least min wage and pay taxes. Illegal immigrants enter the country illegally, are paid under the table, and do not pay taxes.
There's a BIG difference, and I fail to see why people who enter this country illegally should receive anything but a boot back out, nevermind supporting them with my tax dollars.
- Roach
mlkx3 05-19-2005, 11:19 AM We don't need any help promoting to get them here. :nonod:
We need help catching them and sending them home.
Yea there good workers.
They don't want you to complain and seed them back.
I am not a predigest person but, I take offence to anybody dumb enough to take a job paying 1/2 of the going rate. :screwy:
Most of the Illegal do this because the boss's know they are and take advantage of it. :rant:
You want a fair & equal work force?
Right your congress and tell them how you fell.
If enough do it, we will eventually see results. :dthumb:
I remember seeing some where back in the mid 90's a statement that I believe is coming true.
It said something like;
By the year 2025 the Spanish nationality would be the dominant race in the US. :yikes:
Our government must have saw that and are trying to make it happen! :cursin:
Do you know any illegal imigrants? Are you assuming that I was not paying the guy im talking about what I would pay anyone else? He made more money than most of the people who worked for me, because he deserved it! A 20 year old man who supported a family of 4 on his income alone, I respect that and find it hard to believe that anyone else wouldnt. The will to survive makes people do illegal things but does not make them bad people. If your family is starving and there is no work for you, what would you do? Yes we do need these kind of hard working family loving people! The government just needs to make it easier for them to become legal citizens so they can pay into the system like the rest of us.
Just give em an id so we know who they are
http://www.americanpatrol.com/IDENTIFICATION/IMAGES/MexiforniaDL-650x404.jpg
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/2002/article/aztlan2.jpg
snakemann 05-19-2005, 11:44 AM It's easy to take a liberal stand up North, move to Texas or Arizona and see if your view changes.
Go to Pittsburgh, Texas where the school district is in the red b/c of the migrant's children from the local poultry factory. They can't afford to buy new books, kids are in portable buildings b/c the mass population growth hasn't been met by an influx of tax money.
Go to Houston Texas, where there are certain parts of the city where people of all races are scared to drive b/c undocumented aliens drive the streets with no insurance and no identification, and if you are hit there is no recourse b/c there is no way to track them. Also, some take advantage of their inablility to be tracked and victimize people, giving false names etc.
Ask someone who has had their ID stolen by an illegal using their Social Security number to procure credit.
Illegal Aliens cost the state of AZ 1 billion dollars last year in provided health care.
Having lived in TX for 23 years, I have seen the immediate problem where the magnitude of the problem is at it's greatest. It's easy to have a sympathetic view when you aren't taxed with seeing the issues first hand.
mlkx3 05-19-2005, 11:48 AM Ya your a pretty funny guy ace :bash: I have a feeling that you have no personal experiance on the subject so you just take the side of the majority. Oh, and those pics, howd you find them or did you have them on your computer already. Go figure. :cursin:
bumblebee 05-19-2005, 11:49 AM :withstupi ... :clap:
Gas Man 05-19-2005, 02:11 PM Rant ON...
I think Speed is onto what we are saying...
I hate the idea that people say "Well this country was founded on immigrants" Well yeah, that was nearly 300 years ago... I don't care about that! We have too many other problems here, that we don't need more people here making it worse.
I'm sorry but I say close the borders COMPLETELY!! If you don't have a US citizen card/passport, you don't get in! If you are a illegal imigrant it is the DUTY of every American to not stand for that. The problem is that people have a hard time seperating their hearts from the issue. They get too soft and adopt the theory that "we can help them"... WRONG IDEA! They can help themselves and get their F'in green card!
Rant OFF!
PhoenixGirlie 05-19-2005, 03:47 PM Rant ON...
I think Speed is onto what we are saying...
I hate the idea that people say "Well this country was founded on immigrants" Well yeah, that was nearly 300 years ago... I don't care about that! We have too many other problems here, that we don't need more people here making it worse.
I'm sorry but I say close the borders COMPLETELY!! If you don't have a US citizen card/passport, you don't get in! If you are a illegal imigrant it is the DUTY of every American to not stand for that. The problem is that people have a hard time seperating their hearts from the issue. They get too soft and adopt the theory that "we can help them"... WRONG IDEA! They can help themselves and get their F'in green card!
Rant OFF!
:iagree: :clap: I agree with you 100%!! I live in Arizona and see this crap daily. :puke: It makes me ill to see a citizen, someone that fought for our country living on the streets, and then see Jose down the street with no green card living in a brand new house and driving a brand new truck. Whats wrong with this picture?
Windigo 05-19-2005, 04:29 PM Sounds like your politicians ***** in your corn flakes guys!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Just kidding!:D So you guys are tired of paying taxes for something you do not agree with? Geees don't ever immigrated to Canada!!!. We have presently public enquieries about millions(by the 100's) that have disapearred without knowing where the money went!! :yikes: We don't have illegal immigrants problems here, just like we don't have rattle snakes, scorpions and poisonous spiders, they rockhard freeze at the moment they cross the border :lol: :lol: :lol:
SpeedWerks.com 05-19-2005, 05:22 PM SWe have presently public enquieries about millions(by the 100's) that have disapearred without knowing where the money went!! :yikes:
Dude, it's so bad here in that regard, we don't even inquire anymore. We know we're getting screwed :)
At least you have socialized healthcare. We pay almost $300 a month for our medical insurance, and it doesn't cover jack it seems. Of course, if I wasn't worried about my credit rating, I'd just go to the ER and skip on the bill like some people do ...
- Roach
Windigo 05-19-2005, 05:36 PM You,re right, the healthcare system is the thing canadians does not want to get rid of, for canadians it is immoral to make profit out of the health of some body(talking about hospitals making profits). Didn't know it was so bad about your taxes :sorry:
JK_DILLA 05-19-2005, 10:31 PM Ran into an old friend i havent seen i years. Guess what hes been up to.... studying immigration law?!?!?!? I brought this up to him and we had a session. Im tired now.
Grafixx01 05-19-2005, 10:39 PM Hold ON!!!
They are ILLEGAL people! Doesn't that word mean anything!!
Close the F'in gates and shut them out!! Take all the ILLEGAL imigrants and kick them out!! This is BS! We have too many hard working people here that can't make ends meat anyway!!
I swear I hate this ulta liberal CRAP! I don't know if I'm ever going to make it to 30 as a free man. One of these days I'm going to come across one of these idiots and I swear I'mg going to smash their head in!!
:withstupi :iagree: But if you also read up, Bush wants to put more border patrol personnel on the US-Mexico border as well as fund a "fenceline" that Arizona and Cali are going to put along the border!
Grafixx01 05-19-2005, 10:44 PM :iagree: :clap: I agree with you 100%!! I live in Arizona and see this crap daily. :puke: It makes me ill to see a citizen, someone that fought for our country living on the streets, and then see Jose down the street with no green card living in a brand new house and driving a brand new truck. Whats wrong with this picture?
:iagree: At least it ain't like in NY where you see like 40-50 of them all bedding down in a "ranch" style house and then when they get paid, they're all lining up at the nearest Western Unions to send the money back to Mexico or wherever. Then when the winter comes they all bail and go back home to wherever they came from.
***off topic --- did any of you hear about the guy in Texas that lived like 15-20 miles inside the border but buldozed a tunnel underground and like 6 miles on the other side of the border? He had like running water, lights, toilets, beds and was charging people from Mexico like $1000.00+ to come through. Funny thing is that they'd leave and walk right out the front door to his house!
Gas Man 05-20-2005, 02:00 AM :withstupi :iagree: But if you also read up, Bush wants to put more border patrol personnel on the US-Mexico border as well as fund a "fenceline" that Arizona and Cali are going to put along the border!
That would rock! But I'm sure there would just be more tunnels as you said..
mlkx3 05-20-2005, 02:12 AM "Forever I Am Forced To Walk Among The Ignorrant"
Gas Man 05-20-2005, 02:18 AM "Forever I Am Forced To Walk Among The Ignorrant"
Yeah...
"Words n stuff"
Grafixx01 05-20-2005, 09:21 AM Gas Man,
What would you do if they'd pay you $100.00 a head to shoot anyone who is crossing illegally? They provide the weapon and ammuntion and you won't get into trouble for like "murder"? We'll call it "Population Control"! Take it or leave it?
Gas Man,
What would you do if they'd pay you $100.00 a head to shoot anyone who is crossing illegally? They provide the weapon and ammuntion and you won't get into trouble for like "murder"? We'll call it "Population Control"! Take it or leave it?
Is this a trick question or something? :scratch:
Grafixx01 05-20-2005, 10:06 AM Is this a trick question or something? :scratch:
Ace,
Should it be? I said that in my High School "Participation in Government" class. I said that the border patrol agents should erect towers, much like prison guard towers, and we should provide them with high-powered rifles and nightvision&thermal scopes. They should be allowed to shoot anyone they see crossing cause if you have papers, why would you not cross at a legal entry point?
OOOOOHHHHHH, the debate that started! And the whole "you're racist" thing that they called me. They were like, "You're not Native American" so you have nothing to say. How would you like it if you were shot? I was like, "Um, I was born here as were my parents. My grandparents came over during like WWI so eat it!"
Gas Man 05-20-2005, 10:36 AM Gas Man,
What would you do if they'd pay you $100.00 a head to shoot anyone who is crossing illegally? They provide the weapon and ammuntion and you won't get into trouble for like "murder"? We'll call it "Population Control"! Take it or leave it?
Seriously... is this a trick question cause I'd do it. How long do you think it would take long before everybody got the word that I was cappin people for trying to cross?
Ace,
Should it be? I said that in my High School "Participation in Government" class. I said that the border patrol agents should erect towers, much like prison guard towers, and we should provide them with high-powered rifles and nightvision&thermal scopes. They should be allowed to shoot anyone they see crossing cause if you have papers, why would you not cross at a legal entry point?
OOOOOHHHHHH, the debate that started! And the whole "you're racist" thing that they called me. They were like, "You're not Native American" so you have nothing to say. How would you like it if you were shot? I was like, "Um, I was born here as were my parents. My grandparents came over during like WWI so eat it!"
Um, I dont think I care enough to continue, I'll leave it to the gvt to decide. But you do seem to have some anger issues to work out. LOL
bumblebee 05-20-2005, 10:52 AM Ace,
Should it be? I said that in my High School "Participation in Government" class. I said that the border patrol agents should erect towers, much like prison guard towers, and we should provide them with high-powered rifles and nightvision&thermal scopes. They should be allowed to shoot anyone they see crossing cause if you have papers, why would you not cross at a legal entry point?
OOOOOHHHHHH, the debate that started! And the whole "you're racist" thing that they called me. They were like, "You're not Native American" so you have nothing to say. How would you like it if you were shot? I was like, "Um, I was born here as were my parents. My grandparents came over during like WWI so eat it!"
They tried that once, it was called The Berlin Wall...it didn't work either
Grafixx01 05-20-2005, 11:08 AM They tried that once, it was called The Berlin Wall...it didn't work either
No, it worked bee. You know how many people got shot trying to cross over it. They had orders to "Shoot to kill" (that's what the history channel will do for you! I love it).
Ace,
Anger issues? Yeah I know man. That's what my family will do to you, either that or drive you insane. But I've been to headshrinkers, they say there's "nothing wrong with me". I still think I'm normal in my world and the world that you people live in is all FUBAR!
**My world description**I'm king in my world, there's no such thing as debt or money, you just bartar. Bikes are the only way to travel, and we even built bridges and tunnels connecting all the continents together so you can like ride from the U.S. to Aussie and race at the tracks there.
No, it worked bee. You know how many people got shot trying to cross over it. They had orders to "Shoot to kill" (that's what the history channel will do for you! I love it).
Ace,
Anger issues? Yeah I know man. That's what my family will do to you, either that or drive you insane. But I've been to headshrinkers, they say there's "nothing wrong with me". I still think I'm normal in my world and the world that you people live in is all FUBAR!
**My world description**I'm king in my world, there's no such thing as debt or money, you just bartar. Bikes are the only way to travel, and we even built bridges and tunnels connecting all the continents together so you can like ride from the U.S. to Aussie and race at the tracks there.
Sweet! :screwy:
bumblebee 05-20-2005, 11:20 AM Where is the wall today??
JK_DILLA 05-20-2005, 12:20 PM No, it worked bee. You know how many people got shot trying to cross over it. They had orders to "Shoot to kill" (that's what the history channel will do for you! I love it).
Ace,
Anger issues? Yeah I know man. That's what my family will do to you, either that or drive you insane. But I've been to headshrinkers, they say there's "nothing wrong with me". I still think I'm normal in my world and the world that you people live in is all FUBAR!
**My world description**I'm king in my world, there's no such thing as debt or money, you just bartar. Bikes are the only way to travel, and we even built bridges and tunnels connecting all the continents together so you can like ride from the U.S. to Aussie and race at the tracks there.
Your world sounds alright, only one flaw... your snipers in guard towers with "shoot to kill orders".
2FURYUS 05-20-2005, 02:24 PM Let me just say to those that think Immigrants should be allowed to cross the borders freely.
You need a reality check...why do you think the gov't controls the amount of visa's permitted to countries every yr? And I'm talking ALL countries, not just Mexico.
Look how f'd our economy is right now...imagine 2 billion people living here...like China or India.
Chinese females (5-10) fly into L.A. everyday and claim credible fear and get asylum. Start doing the math and see how fast that adds up. And trust me it ain't only happening in L.A.
The U.S. even allows day workers....people cross the border, work, get paid and take that revenue back with them...ya think that doesn't affect our economy?
Think about that for awhile....
The Saint 05-20-2005, 03:00 PM Correct, big business only reason we have Illegal imigrants. Bush could stop illegal imigrant problem, IF HE WANTED :rant:
All you have to do is sieze farms, have $million fines for businesses who employee illegals :yesnod:
Bush must be supporting all those liberal big business owners :lol:
Right. Because there were no illegals in this country before President Bush took office.
Ted you might be the biggest f**king dips#!t posting on any forum, anywhere... :lol:
snakemann 05-20-2005, 03:05 PM ...Chinese females (5-10) fly into L.A. everyday ...
Wow I gotta start hanging out @ LAX :hug:
jetskifast 05-20-2005, 09:01 PM Right. Because there were no illegals in this country before President Bush took office.
Ted you might be the biggest f**king dips#!t posting on any forum, anywhere... :lol:
Saint, hang out here more often so you can take my title :dthumb:
PhoenixGirlie 05-20-2005, 09:34 PM Ace,
Should it be? I said that in my High School "Participation in Government" class. I said that the border patrol agents should erect towers, much like prison guard towers, and we should provide them with high-powered rifles and nightvision&thermal scopes. They should be allowed to shoot anyone they see crossing cause if you have papers, why would you not cross at a legal entry point?
OOOOOHHHHHH, the debate that started! And the whole "you're racist" thing that they called me. They were like, "You're not Native American" so you have nothing to say. How would you like it if you were shot? I was like, "Um, I was born here as were my parents. My grandparents came over during like WWI so eat it!"
I think I effin love you. :dthumb:
jeeps84 05-20-2005, 09:49 PM Do you know any illegal imigrants? Are you assuming that I was not paying the guy im talking about what I would pay anyone else? He made more money than most of the people who worked for me, because he deserved it! A 20 year old man who supported a family of 4 on his income alone, I respect that and find it hard to believe that anyone else wouldnt. The will to survive makes people do illegal things but does not make them bad people. If your family is starving and there is no work for you, what would you do? Yes we do need these kind of hard working family loving people! The government just needs to make it easier for them to become legal citizens so they can pay into the system like the rest of us.
NO, I don't know any illegal!
I am not saying they are bad people.
We have that in all races.
I know several legals that work there butts off.
The farm next door employees legal immigrants.
I actually hire some from time to time do work for me.
I pay them the same thing I would pay anybody else.
I only hire workers from the Farmer Ranch because I know they are legal.
I actually asked to see a green card once. :lol:
Gas Man 05-20-2005, 11:06 PM WOW...I am going to re-sign my :whore: in this thread... it's getting way too deep!
jeeps84 05-20-2005, 11:08 PM WOW...I am going to re-sign my :whore: in this thread... it's getting way too deep!
:wredx: :withstupi
PhoenixGirlie 05-21-2005, 12:43 AM WOW...I am going to re-sign my :whore: in this thread... it's getting way too deep!
I'm sorry I own that title now :thumbs: :lol:
jeeps84 05-21-2005, 01:00 AM long way to go! :lol:
PhoenixGirlie 05-21-2005, 01:20 AM long way to go! :lol:
I can go...and go...and go...and go...and goo....... :lol: :whistle: :smash:
Gas Man 05-21-2005, 07:09 AM I can go...and go...and go...and go...and goo....... :lol: :whistle: :smash:
Doing what? :whistle: :wink:
jeeps84 05-21-2005, 08:47 AM I think she needs the energizer bunny thread!
Where is it?
Oh yea, its the post whore thread now. :lol:
Grafixx01 05-21-2005, 08:59 AM I think I effin love you. :dthumb:
Thanks Phoenix, I'm very touchy on that subject especially cause my dad and I (well, I used to) work in construction on the Eastend of Long Island, NY (we worked on like Billy Joels, Mariah Carey and others houses) and now they (illegals) are like flooding that area doing the work for less money than what my dad and I got paid. I used to make like $1000.00 cash a week or more, dad makes like $1500.00 a week. And then I live down in El Paso, Texas and see all the rest of them flooding the borders. It reminds me of "The Day After Tomorrow" movie, only reversed! Not like I honestly think that the U.S. citizens will ever have to flood Mexico in my lifetime!
jeeps84 05-21-2005, 09:01 AM Lets hope not! :yikes:
Grafixx01 05-21-2005, 09:08 AM Hey, Pheonix and Jeeps....
You heard that like they want to make Spanish the OFFICIAL language spoken in like Southern California towns? :cursin: Like San Diego and that area? It's nucking futz! :pat: :pat:
jeeps84 05-21-2005, 09:12 AM If you come to the US
LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH!!!
If we go to France, they expect us to at least try to speak French.
JK_DILLA 05-21-2005, 01:19 PM no point, the us doesnt have a official language, why start now.
PhoenixGirlie 05-21-2005, 01:21 PM Hey, Pheonix and Jeeps....
You heard that like they want to make Spanish the OFFICIAL language spoken in like Southern California towns? :cursin: Like San Diego and that area? It's nucking futz! :pat: :pat:
Here in Arizona they attempted to pass a measure that would have banned the translation of government documents into languages other than English except those needed for international trade and tourism and to protect the public's health and safety. It also would have required that public meetings be conducted in English. It would not have applied to private businesses.
It was vetoed by our govenor stating "under Senate Bill 1167, English is required as the official language, but funds are not available to help non-English speakers to learn to read, write or speak English. Under these circumstances, making English the only language for official action is contradictory at best"
I would sure LOVE to see the rush of funds/teachers available in Mexico to teach me Spanish if I decided to move down there. :skep:
Grafixx01 05-21-2005, 05:49 PM Pheonix,
Don't do that. We can't stand to lose a BBG! (Beautiful Biker Girl!)
PhoenixGirlie 05-21-2005, 07:00 PM Pheonix,
Don't do that. We can't stand to lose a BBG! (Beautiful Biker Girl!)
awwwww youre a sweetie. I was only being fecious. I love America!:pat: I would never move down to mexico, but if I did, I seriously doubt they would use tax money to teach me or anyone else spanish. So why in the world do we spend tax dollars to teach them English, especially when they are here ILLEGALLY??
Grafixx01 05-21-2005, 07:35 PM awwwww youre a sweetie. I was only being fecious. I love America!:pat: I would never move down to mexico, but if I did, I seriously doubt they would use tax money to teach me or anyone else spanish. So why in the world do we spend tax dollars to teach them English, especially when they are here ILLEGALLY??
That's kinda an unanswerable question. I guess one can say that it's because we are "The World Police" and we help others before helping ourselves cause we're so worried about world opinion!
GSXR1000DJ 05-21-2005, 07:56 PM If you come to the US
LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH!!!
If we go to France, they expect us to at least try to speak French.
Exactly. Thats how it was for me when I was in the service and went to other countries. I learned there language. And now that they are coming here they can learn mine. :cursin:
snakemann 05-21-2005, 09:04 PM Ok so I'm watching the tube the other day and this commercial comes on:
An anglo (cracka) is at a restaurant. He is trying to order and the waitress, who is from another country and has to repeat the order multiple times. HE gets frustrated and gripes at her.
The waitress proceeds to walk off and he turns to another anglo at a different table and says, "Man you come to our country you need to speak the language, know what I mean." It pans across the restaurant to other patrons who have taken notice and the other anglo defiantly says, "No sir, I don't."
I wanted 30 seconds of my life back. I dunno maybe someone else saw it. I guess you're now a racist pig if you get frustrated by having to repeat your order 4 times.
PhoenixGirlie 05-21-2005, 09:07 PM Ok so I'm watching the tube the other day and this commercial comes on:
An anglo (cracka) is at a restaurant. He is trying to order and the waitress, who is from another country and has to repeat the order multiple times. HE gets frustrated and gripes at her.
The waitress proceeds to walk off and he turns to another anglo at a different table and says, "Man you come to our country you need to speak the language, know what I mean." It pans across the restaurant to other patrons who have taken notice and the other anglo defiantly says, "No sir, I don't."
I wanted 30 seconds of my life back. I dunno maybe someone else saw it. I guess you're now a racist pig if you get frustrated by having to repeat your order 4 times.
Forget ever going to a fast food restarant in Phoenix then. I swear I have learned more spanish at the local Burger King than I did in the 2 years of high school Spanish I took :lol:
snakemann 05-21-2005, 09:10 PM Well, I think our schools have a hard enough time teaching proficient English in most cases. However, I was stunned that some non profit organization had enough money to make some stupid commercial, obviously geared at anglos.
GSXR1000DJ 05-21-2005, 09:14 PM I have seen the commercial.....Now when you say "anglo (cracka)" are you referring to someone that is white? I have never heard of "anglo" before.
snakemann 05-21-2005, 09:15 PM Yeah white, I have only seen it once and it aired here in Tallahassee, it was a nationally run commercial, not a local production - but i havent seen it since.
GSXR1000DJ 05-21-2005, 09:24 PM I have seen the commercial a few times and don't recall "anglo (cracka)" being in it. Is that just how you were referring to it?
PhoenixGirlie 05-21-2005, 09:25 PM I am LMAO @ "cracka" :lol:
snakemann 05-21-2005, 09:25 PM I was just referring to it to paint the picture of the involved characters
Grafixx01 05-21-2005, 09:39 PM I have seen the commercial.....Now when you say "anglo (cracka)" are you referring to someone that is white? I have never heard of "anglo" before.
"Anglo" is a term that is usually used to refer to an "Anglosaxon", I believe that they commonly use this term to refer to the "Anglo saxon" persons of like Britain, Germany and Ireland. If my history comes to me correctly...
snakemann 05-21-2005, 09:42 PM Yeah it's now what is being accepted as the "Politically Correct" terminology for white people.
JK_DILLA 05-21-2005, 09:44 PM Yeah it's now what is being accepted as the "Politically Correct" termination for white people.
i hope you meant "terminology". termination wouldnt be good.
PhoenixGirlie 05-21-2005, 09:44 PM Yeah it's now what is being accepted as the "Politically Correct" termination for white people.
I prefer white bread
:lol:
snakemann 05-21-2005, 09:47 PM i hope you meant "terminology". termination wouldnt be good.
Uh yeah, the cheap beer is cause for typos :cheers:
I prefer white bread
:lol:
I personally still enjoy referring to myself as a Honky, but my professor who has her Ph.D. in Linguistics/Language informed me that Anglo is the now given terminology.
Gas Man 05-22-2005, 12:01 AM no point, the us doesnt have a official language, why start now.
That's what I hate to hear! I think they seriously messed up by not passing a federal law making english the #1 language of the country and the only nationaly recognizable language. Squash all this BS right NOW! That's what I think should happen
Windigo 07-22-2005, 10:46 AM We have an official language law in Quebec its call '' bill 101'', it has been made to protect the existence of our '' national '' language; french. It oblige all enterprise to put informations of their products in french and all immigrants ( that doesn't speak french or english ) to send their kid to french public school, because we have english publics school but the provincial official language is french, immigrants that have english for their original language ( UK citizens, I think US citizens too ) are aloud to go to english public scools. All the provincial laws are edited and writen in french first, the law is made in a way that the immigrants have to take french as their main language if they want to function in Quebec. Because we know that there is a world outside Quebec, most quebecers learn, to be practical or for general knowledge, 1 or more additionnal languages and their 1rst choice for 2nd language is mostly english. All that to say that if you feel that your '' mother '' language in danger of loosing is importance and that your culture will suffer if english is not protected by appropriated laws, you should do something like Quebec did. How? start informing your politician an start a movement about it.my :2cents: .
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