Who actually wears their gear!!

OK, I admit it. when I use to ride dirt, i used to wear helmet, boots and chest protector, just because crap would fly all over me and I would tear up my clothes and shoes. The onlt reason I wore a helmet Was to protect my eyes. When I stared riding street bikes ( I NEVER wore a helmet or anything else ) but they were all short rides to class and back, I rearly was over 20mph. Since I have purchaced my own sport bike, and in doing all the research, I never go out with out my gear on. NEVER.

But here is the question how many of you actually do, always ride with a helmet and jacket on. I see so many preaching about gear on these forums and yet when I see the same people at get togethers, they are the ones drinking, wheeliing in front of bars, with no even as much as glasses or gloves on...

So I wanna am I gonna be the only loser wearing helmet and jacket all summer long:cry:

I always wear my helmet, even if it is only a short trip around town. I must admit that on hot summer days i don't wear my leather. It's just too hot and humid here in the midwest.

I wear all my gear all the time! I don't care if I am going 5 MPH and 1/2 mile. Helmet, gloves, jacket, and boots. As far as the heat goes....I got my mesh jacket.

I wear me helmet and gloves every ride. I am also one of those that will constantly proclaim the importance of gear and might be caught on a short trip with nothing more than gloves, helmet and street cloths. You will never see me doing wheelies and riding fast on those occasions either.

It all comes down to choice. I live in a free country where I can decide on when to wear my gear and have scars to remind me how important it is.:2cents:

everything all the time. Not so much in my early impressionable years though. if i had a nice bike back then i would have been squidtastic. But i didnt so i just looked poverty stricken. I needed guidance.

I wear gear at all times...Jacket (armored leathers in winter season & armored mesh in th summer), Helmet, Boots, Gloves, Astars Knee/Shin armor, & my new addition-- Bohn riding shorts.

well..i have NO choice.

NY state law requires me to wear a helmet....and i wouldnt get on the bike without one anyway.

Ive been riding dirtbikes and quads now for over 8 years on my families 250 acres upstate new york....and even though i can do WHATEVER i want on my machines on my land.....i always wear AT LEAST a helmet and gloves.

i might start the machines up in the garage and ride to the end of the driveway in street clothes...but if im gonna ride....i wear the gear ALWAYS!!!!

I always have my helmet, jacket and gloves on. There's times when i'm running errands in the summertime (110-115 degrees) that I'll just wear a t-shirt, helmet and gloves. But whenever I'm pushing it you'll see me in helmet, jacket, gloves, and boots.

I ride with my Helmet, Jacket, and gloves.

when i laid my bike down, i was wearing my jacket, helmet, and gloves.....
the gloves saved my hand from missing at least 1/4-1/2" of skin, the jacket saved my right arm "all of the arm" and the helmet didnt get a scratch on it "but my head was safe".

My leg, :cry: well, lets just say that i wasnt wearing any pants, or riding boots and my knee cant grow hair on it anymore, and i now have the scars of a fallen rider.

oh, and my leather boot on my right foot had metal rings where the laces were "were", after i laid it down the laces were gone and my boot was well..."Gone"

wear your gear, and if you dont and just wear a few things, your still gona get a rash.

Helmet, Jacket, Gloves, Boots, Jeans. I wear them every time. I need pants; trying to scrape up the cash.

All the gear all the time... well or at least... DOT helmet, gloves, and riding jacket

I think the gloves, jacket, and helmet are the most important, the shoes and pants arent the most neded, but i know they are highly recomended, but they cost wayyyy to much. lol

I wear all my gear all the time! I don't care if I am going 5 MPH and 1/2 mile. Helmet, gloves, jacket, and boots. As far as the heat goes....I got my mesh jacket.

:iagree: 100%. I never ever get on my bike w/o full gear. Even riding 3 miles up the road to the shop. Never.

Like JK and probly many of us...I sometimes didn't gear up when I was younger and dumber.

I've "rode" without a helmet once...sitting in traffic in Carlisle to get to the show. 90 some degrees and not moving doesn't work for me. So I ditched the lid.

I came from Minnesota, which has required helmet use for years, and I started roadracing early on (I was 18 and it was 1974...you do the math) so I got to see the value of full gear firsthand (lowsided a few times); when the first Bell full coverage helmets came out for bikers (you take the variety of helmets today for granted, but back then there were only a couple of Snell approved lids, Bell and Simpson, and they were hyper-expensive) I bought one.

I'd had my new Bell full coverage about two weeks when I was hit by a drunk on the freeway, I never saw him come up on me, he was weaving in and out of traffic about 30 mph faster than surrounding cars...when he hit me, I slid about 30-40 yards on my face and chest. I was also wearing gloves, boots and my leather jacket. When I was able to pick myself up and assess the damage, I noticed:

The toes of my boot were torn through, but my feet were OK.

The palms of my gloves were worn through, but my hands were OK.

The front of my jacket was toast, but my chest was OK.

The chin bar on my helmet was GONE...worn right through, but my face was OK. If I had been wearing my old standard helmet with just a face shield, I'd have been a plastic surgery candidate, at the least.

I don't throw a leg over a bike without everything on, PERIOD. Armoured mesh jacket and pants are great for hot days, leather for everything else... and the best helmet, gloves and boots I can afford. A buddy of mine on another board has this signature:

"Sweat washes off, roadrash doesn't"

If you've ever had roadrash "debrided" by a nurse (they take a brush and sanitized soap and water, and SCRUB the dirt and asphalt out of the raw wound), then you probably don't want to repeat the experience.:cry:


.....of course, ya'll are free to do whatever ya want.........

Does flip-flops, shorts, and Teeshirt count?

Does flip-flops, shorts, and Teeshirt count?

Absolutely...for squids.

I too always wear my gear, granted it isnt the total package, Helmet Jacket jeans, its about all that i can afford at the moment. i too have had my share of rash in my early riding years. :nonod: :cursin: :cursin: :cursin:

I always wear gloves, jacket, and helmet. If its hot...I just go faster. :lol:

Sometimes I do...Sometimes I don't...

Absolutely...for squids.

I'm a squid...

But i'm wearing my helmet now cuz I keep loosing my oakley's.

I've had only 2 street crashes, one with gear and one without gear. I lost traction during a cloverleaf run and suffered roadrash on both palms and right knee. Helmet never touched the ground. Had no leathers or gloves. Asphault melted onto my knee.
Second crash was around 70 mph going through a posted 30 mph bend. Loose gravel and an on coming vehicle made for a big eye opener. I went off roading and hit a guardrail. I flew about 20 feet into a wooded area. I had full race gear on and suffered only both sprained ankles.

I crashed about 7 times at the track. Ironically, my helmet never got scratched. Ku****ani's lasted 2 crashes. Dianese was good for 3. I went with cheaper sets after that.

With this new bike, I doubt I will wear protective gear other than gloves and helmet. I ride to work and don't plan on doing anything crazy. I always have a backpack on with a rainsuit stored in it and a first aid kit. If I ever decide to do stunt riding again, I would definitely get full gear and piece together a crash bike.

-a|ex

With this new bike, I doubt I will wear protective gear other than gloves and helmet. I ride to work and don't plan on doing anything crazy. I always have a backpack on with a rainsuit stored in it and a first aid kit. If I ever decide to do stunt riding again, I would definitely get full gear and piece together a crash bike.

-a|ex


READ THIS:http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/hurt.html

Pay attention to #12!

Nobody sane PLANS on an accident. But you can plan for the crash...wear gear..........

READ THIS:http://www.magpie.com/nycmoto/hurt.html

Pay attention to #12!

Nobody sane PLANS on an accident. But you can plan for the crash...wear gear..........

If i was sane, i wouldn't have a motorcycle....

-a|ex

btw, i don't use seatbelts in cars either...

I ride with helmet, gloves, and jacket at all times, hot and cold. I rode in over the ankle work type boots the last two seasons but I'm actually looking for street boots this season. I have ridden with others that neglected to wear all their gear but it's their choice.

I ride with helmet, gloves, and jacket at all times, hot and cold. I rode in over the ankle work type boots the last two seasons but I'm actually looking for street boots this season. I have ridden with others that neglected to wear all their gear but it's their choice.

Same here. Never shorts, never sneekers.:dthumb:

While I am still new to riding I can say that I have seen those who have been riding for many, many years learn that you should always wear your gear. After seeing the results of going down at 25mph, I will always wear full leathers no matter what. And yes its hot as hell in the summer but as the saying goes...sweat wipes off, road rash doesnt.

:twfrox:

mesh jacket (liner in the winter), gloves, helmet, jeans all the time.

i seen a guy on an 05 ZX-10 w/ a novelty helmet, Jordan tank top, shorts and flip flops. I'm not kidding either. The bike was pretty sweet though. He looked like a dumbass on it.

I see knuckleheads like that all the time. :disapp: Maybe someday they'll learn.

I also see alot of brothers with the chrome half shell on their Busa's. :skep:

... Ku****ani's ....


-a|ex

looks like that brand is a dirty word. :lol:

I see knuckleheads like that all the time. :disapp: Maybe someday they'll learn.

I also see alot of brothers with the chrome half shell on their Busa's. :skep:

yes , I too have seen the chrome half shell on busa riders, To each their own, Its their life I guess:disapp:

Well if I didn't, I wouldn't have to worry about the street cause my wife would kill me much quicker. Helmet, jacket, gloves, boots and jeans at a minimum. Fun rides I swap the jeans for J&R armored pants.

I love to ride, but I love my skin even more. I have never been down...but I know it's coming some day unfortunatly.

How fast does a human run? 10, 15 mph maybe? Go outside with no shirt, get to a full sprint, and just dive down onto the ground like you are ARod sliding into 2nd.

How fast does a human run? 10, 15 mph maybe? Go outside with no shirt, get to a full sprint, and just dive down onto the ground like you are ARod sliding into 2nd.
:yikes: that would SUCK!!! But GREAT point!!!

We all love the squids wearing the shorts, flip flops, and a beanie!!!

If i was sane, i wouldn't have a motorcycle....

-a|ex

btw, i don't use seatbelts in cars either...


these are probably things you shouldnt go around mentioning.....

best if kept to youself....unless you want people thinking you are a moron??

I wouldn't go that far as to call someone a moron for it G&H. How many of us would actually wear a seatbelt at all times if we weren't worried about the man?

I wouldn't go that far as to call someone a moron for it G&H. How many of us would actually wear a seatbelt at all times if we weren't worried about the man?
:iagree: I would probably only wear it on the spirited play times. But the man say I have to wear it all the time.

I wouldn't go that far as to call someone a moron for it G&H. How many of us would actually wear a seatbelt at all times if we weren't worried about the man?
honestly... I would... I feel weird driving without a seatbelt... though it may just be the way I drive too... as it helps keep me in the drivers seat and not sliding into the passangers :yikes:

I went to a wedding in boise about two years ago and couldn't beleve all the riders with out a helmit... to me... that's a sign of a true poser... worried about what they look like over basic safty...

but to each they're own... I guess...

these are probably things you shouldnt go around mentioning.....

best if kept to youself....unless you want people thinking you are a moron??

depends on your definition of a moron. one that is incapable of reason, or one that doesn't conform to reason. If i choose to not wear my seatbelt, then let me break the law. If i choose to go over 1 mile over the speed limit, then let me break another law. If i get pulled over by a cop, then i'll buckle up before he spots me. If i get injurred in an automobile, then life sux for me.

If i'm on my motorcycle wearing full race gear and i get rear ended at a light, then life will suq once again. The moral of the storie: you can either worry to your hearts content about safety, or you can exorcise a little freedom and enjoy the moment because no one lives forever. I don't fear death, maybe that's why i enjoyed track racing. I haven't shed a tear to friends that became roadkill, but that doesn't mean i'm heartless, just that i've been prepared long ago about the dangers of what we do.

When i see someone not wearing proper gear, I still give them the thumbs up because i know he is enjoying the moment as I am... When I hear conservatives on sportbikes talk badly about other bikers not wearing "proper" booties, well, then they should stay in their safe SUV's with their belt, firesuit, and helmet on...

There are thrill seekers, and there are wanabee thrill seekers. That is a subject that conservatives cannot comprehend. Unfortunately, I have too many responsibilities to be a thrill seeker again (4 kids).

-a|ex

Back Marker...kudos to you for expressing and defending your opinion. you will find that it is the minority here. i, too, don't always gear up. if it is blazing hot and i am just trolling through town i am a bit more careless about it. but if i am going out for a nice, long ride i will gear up. it all depends on my mood that day. perhaps it isn't the smartest thing to do, but i never said i was the smartest person. life is unexpected, whether you prepare for it or not. sometimes i just take my chances. but i never really push my limits. if i die on my bike it won't be because of something i've done, it'll be because someone else ran over me or something similar.

When trying to make a point that you are not an idiot, make sure you spell correctly.

You talk all this game, but then at the end you back down. You basically tell us that you were a fool and that there are other prorities in life and you should do things safely for your family. So which is it? You flip-flop like John Kerry.

If i choose to go over 1 mile over the speed limit, then let me break another law.

See the problem with this statement is that if it is ok for us to let you go over 1 mph the speed limit, why wouldn't it be ok to go 5 or 10. Then what happens if you do something stupid at a speed which isn't considered safe for that road and kill a family? Things are not just about you in this world and that is why we have limits to what you can do to protect the freedoms of those who wish to come home to their families that haven't "prepared for the dangers of what you do."

When I hear conservatives on sportbikes talk badly about other bikers not wearing "proper" booties

Wow, someone is concerned for another individual's safety and you don't like it. It's rare in this world that you can even find someone to be concerned for a stranger.

if i die on my bike it won't be because of something i've done, it'll be because someone else ran over me or something similar.

You're human, you make errors, it could happen. Accidents far worse and far more expensive than a motorcycle accident where people have trained to do these tasks for years and knew them better than the back of their hand still happen. All it takes is for one little mistake and bam you are dead.

I work in a nuclear plant, you can't touch anything without another person watching every move you make and verifying every single thing you do, but plant trips still happen, mistakes still happen. We train daily on safety and human error prevention, but that didn't save the contractor that had been doing his job for over 20 years the morning he got crushed by a piece of equipment a few months back. You can do very dangerous things safely and intelligently, and still have bad things happen.

Wow, someone is concerned for another individual's safety and you don't like it. It's rare in this world that you can even find someone to be concerned for a stranger.

I agree... but I think the point he's trying to make (and I may be wrong) is that it's a personal choice... RESPECT THAT... if someone chooses not to wear any gear then fine by me... I'm not gonna loose sleep over it... my choice is diffrent.

I agree... but I think the point he's trying to make (and I may be wrong) is that it's a personal choice... RESPECT THAT... if someone chooses not to wear any gear then fine by me... I'm not gonna loose sleep over it... my choice is diffrent.

But you are going to have higher medical insurance rates for those tools to get their monsterous road rash examined and mended that might have been considerably less if wearing the right equipment. Maybe he has to take medical leave from his job, it effects his workplace as well. Being an idiot in personal choice doesn't always just effect yourself. I will never respect anyone's personal choice, it is too often wrong.

Your human, you make errors, it could happen. Accidents far worse and far more expensive than a motorcycle accident where people have trained for to do these tasks for years and knew them better than the back of their hand still happen. All it takes is for one little mistake and bam you are dead.

I work in a nuclear plant, you can't touch anything without another person watching every move you make and verifying every single thing you do, but plant trips still happen, mistakes still happen. We train daily on safety and human error prevention, but that didn't save contractor that had been doing his job for over 20 years the morning he got crushed by a piece of equipment a few months back. You can do very dangerous things safely and intelligently, and still have bad things happen.

well, i guess it could happen. what i meant is that i am not gonna be out there recklessly endangering myself. i could make a stupid mistake, sure. we all do sometimes, but i won't make a mistake that stems from challenging my limits and abilities as a rider. all i can do is ask God to return me safely home, as i do before every ride.

But you are going to have higher medical insurance rates for those tools to get their monsterous road rash examined and mended that might have been considerably less if wearing the right equipment. Maybe he has to take medical leave from his job, it effects his workplace as well. Being an idiot in personal choice doesn't always just effect yourself. I will never respect anyone's personal choice, it is too often wrong.

it's no different than having higher health insurance because people in this world choose to smoke. or how about all the money we pay so that people can ride the welfare bus for 7 years. all you can do is look out for yourself and do what you need to do. but no one has the right to stand in judgement over anyone else, unless you are gonna argue with God now too.

well, i guess it could happen. what i meant is that i am not gonna be out there recklessly endangering myself. i could make a stupid mistake, sure. we all do sometimes, but i won't make a mistake that stems from challenging my limits and abilities as a rider. all i can do is ask God to return me safely home, as i do before every ride.

Well that is completely understandable. I try to stay totally within my limits when I ride as well, but I am guilty of getting adventurous sometimes. No one is perfect.

it's no different than having higher health insurance because people in this world choose to smoke. or how about all the money we pay so that people can ride the welfare bus for 7 years. all you can do is look out for yourself and do what you need to do. but no one has the right to stand in judgement over anyone else, unless you are gonna argue with God now too.

Almost exactly my point until you got to the judgement part. People make stupid decisions or in welfare's case the government makes them for us and I am not going to respect a stupid decision. Not respecting a decision is not the same as judging someone.

Everyone has the right to stand in judgement of anyone they want, even God. That right is called free will. However, let's not get into a religious debate because it is a neverending illogical one that will only create more problems than lead to any conclusions.

But you are going to have higher medical insurance rates for those tools to get their monsterous road rash examined and mended that might have been considerably less if wearing the right equipment. Maybe he has to take medical leave from his job, it effects his workplace as well. Being an idiot in personal choice doesn't always just effect yourself. I will never respect anyone's personal choice, it is too often wrong.
not to get too off topic but... insurance companys will raise the rates any way they can... even if everyone started to wear full racing gear 100% of the time the rates wouldn't drop... IMHO it's the stigma of riding a motorcycle... Yes I see your point... personal choices effect everyone...a true statment... BUT this is a free country and untill there is a law stating so they still have the right to make that choice... idiotic or not

it is YOUR personal choice to wear your gear (the ones not required by law) we respect that... your choice to purchase certain safty equipment drives the price on said equipment up... yes it's a weak point but your personal choices effect others aswell...

for the record... I agree with you that one SHOULD wear the proper gear... and it's stupid in my mind not to...but untill it's become law (one that I would support) it's a CHOICE... and I'm not going to stress about it...

Everyone has the right to stand in judgement of anyone they want, even God. That right is called free will.
Very true... but why stress about it? you can state your side... but beond that... there's nothing you can do...

I think alot of people today (not directed at you at all Vol) are too wrapped up in what everyone else is/isn't doing... State your opinion... and respect their choice to accept it or decline it...

ok... I'll step off my soap box now :lol:

not to get too off topic but... insurance companys will raise the rates any way they can... even if everyone started to wear full racing gear 100% of the time the rates wouldn't drop... IMHO it's the stigma of riding a motorcycle... Yes I see your point... personal choices effect everyone...a true statment... BUT this is a free country and untill there is a law stating so they still have the right to make that choice... idiotic or not

it is YOUR personal choice to wear your gear (the ones not required by law) we respect that... your choice to purchase certain safty equipment drives the price on said equipment up... yes it's a weak point but your personal choices effect others aswell...

for the record... I agree with you that one SHOULD wear the proper gear... and it's stupid in my mind not to...but untill it's become law (one that I would support) it's a CHOICE... and I'm not going to stress about it...

I agree that I can't make anyone wear all their gear, but I am not going to approve of it or respect it is my point, just like BM doesn't respect "conservatives" opinions on wearing all gear at all times. My bro doesn't wear his gear all the time and I am constantly calling him a dips**t when he doesn't wear it. I can't force his gear on him, but I can choose to not respect his decision and not ride with him that day. However, if there is a law on it, that voids personal choice getting back to him talking about speeding and wearing seat belts.

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I think alot of people today (not directed at you at all Vol) are too wrapped up in what everyone else is/isn't doing... State your opinion... and respect their choice to accept it or decline it...

ok... I'll step off my soap box now :lol:

That is so true in just about everything today to some extent. No matter what you are doing or where you are doing it, someone has something to say about it or say you should have done it like this or that.

Very true... but why stress about it? you can state your side... but beond that... there's nothing you can do...

I think alot of people today (not directed at you at all Vol) are too wrapped up in what everyone else is/isn't doing... State your opinion... and respect their choice to accept it or decline it...

ok... I'll step off my soap box now :lol:

I am not a very politically correct person is the best way to put it. I don't have to respect anyone's choice for anything no matter if it is right or wrong. If I disagree with something, I will fight to get it changed. I guess you could say I am a very argumentative personality.

I do agree we get too wrapped up in others affairs, but not doing or saying anything about it is a better option than respecting stupidity.

I am not a very politically correct person is the best way to put it. I don't have to respect anyone's choice for anything no matter if it is right or wrong. If I disagree with something, I will fight to get it changed. I guess you could say I am a very argumentative personality.
it's cool... that's your choice... and I respect that :lol:

I do agree we get too wrapped up in others affairs, but not doing or saying anything about it is a better option than respecting stupidity.
Maybe but my times better spent elsware... somewhere it'll make more of a diffrence.... like... online... :lol: seriously though... the fight should be made to the state to inforce a minimum gear law... but I'm sure like the Helmet law... though it's something most of us may be in line with... the fear of the loss of freedom will get it shot down... IMHO

whether we wear our gear or not, let's not forget the main thing. we all love riding, no matter how we go about experiencing it. it's not about respect, it's about brotherhood (or sisterhood for us ladies) and i love everyone on 2 wheels just the same. :cheers: :hug:

Yeah, every family has it's little fights too.

When trying to make a point that you are not an idiot, make sure you spell correctly.

You talk all this game, but then at the end you back down. You basically tell us that you were a fool and that there are other prorities in life and you should do things safely for your family. So which is it? You flip-flop like John Kerry.

See the problem with this statement is that if it is ok for us to let you go over 1 mph the speed limit, why wouldn't it be ok to go 5 or 10. Then what happens if you do something stupid at a speed which isn't considered safe for that road and kill a family? Things are not just about you in this world and that is why we have limits to what you can do to protect the freedoms of those who wish to come home to their families that haven't "prepared for the dangers of what you do."

Wow, someone is concerned for another individual's safety and you don't like it. It's rare in this world that you can even find someone to be concerned for a stranger.

proper spelling on a forum? you must be a newb... < this is flame bait
here is an insight to how i think: i am against helmet laws, but i believe all bikers should wear one.... how's that for talking the talk and backing down.

everyone goes over the speed limit. don't you lie to me. i know you don't drive with one eye on the speedometer. i'm not sure how you come up with killing a family.

your last statement scares me. When conservatives in power agree that motorcycling is dangerous and should be outlawed, they are voicing their concern for the public interest. please don't tell me you support this kind of "phillasophee".

to sumarize for those that are misinterpreting my comments: I frown on those that try to limit our freedoms on the basis of public safety. it starts with "improper" booties and will end up with banning motorcycles (i joined the AMA for this reason). i am also a hypocrit. I would love to do stunts again but i tell my kids that it is very bad and they should not be impressed by it.

-a|ex

flame on.... argueing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win, you are still a retard (no offense to those with special needs kids, my oldest son is on IEP)

play nice, im guilty of a little bit of all the above, never rode with out a helmat and never had a passenger with out one either, , ok now im done with my soap box, whos next? :lol:

proper spelling on a forum? you must be a newb... < this is flame bait

flame on.... argueing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win, you are still a retard (no offense to those with special needs kids, my oldest son is on IEP)

If I am such a newb, then why haven't you seen a bad grammar flame? If you think flaming is like the special olympics, why did you respond with flames? More of your flip-flopping I suppose. At least be man enough to pick one side and stick to it.

When conservatives in power agree that motorcycling is dangerous and should be outlawed, they are voicing their concern for the public interest.

I am as conservative as you can get, but I not only think motorcycling shouldn't be outlawed, but the MSF course should be taught to all drivers because it shows the dangers of the road from an angle you wouldn't see from cages. There are millions of conservatives that agree with me, so you thinking we would ever make bikes illegal is ludacris. Hell Arnold "the Governator" just got in a motorcycle wreck and he doesn't even have a motorcycle license. You just bite too easily on liberal propaganda.

everyone goes over the speed limit. don't you lie to me. i know you don't drive with one eye on the speedometer. i'm not sure how you come up with killing a family.

I am not saying I never speed, I am saying it is not ok to endorse or brag about your speeding on public roads like it is a badge of honor when it could have dangerous outcomes like killing a family. People a lot smarter than you have calculated safe speeds for driving that allow for reaction times and the physics of standards vehicles and these limits should be followed, but as you know there is not one law that is followed on this planet because we are human.

to sumarize for those that are misinterpreting my comments: I frown on those that try to limit our freedoms on the basis of public safety.

Driving a car or a motorcycle on public lands is not a right or a freedom, it is a privilege awarded to you by the government when you get your driver's license. The government can do anything it wants to limit or hender what you might find fun and amusing with this privilege. You are not on your own property and you are effecting the freedom of others every time you get on the road. We as Americans do not have the right to use our freedom to intrude on others' freedom. This is why they can limit whatever they want while you are on public roads to make sure every American and visitor to this country is protected while on America's roads.

How about you come back when you actually have an opinion one way or the other about laws instead of taking the easy way out by being hypocritical on each stance?

I would wear a seat belt all the time regardless!! It just feels wierd without it!!!

I would wear a seat belt all the time regardless!! It just feels wierd without it!!!

I have actually tried to put a belt on while going through FINE-C on my bike. I laughed my ass off, guess it's just natural habit. I never go anywhere without wearing a belt when in a cage.

If I am such a newb, then why haven't you seen a bad grammar flame? If you think flaming is like the special olympics, why did you respond with flames? More of your flip-flopping I suppose. At least be man enough to pick one side and stick to it.

Wow, you must be a newb... that was joke, lighten up. I did pick a side, I'm against helmet laws and those that feel they know what's good for everyone.


I am as conservative as you can get, but I not only think motorcycling shouldn't be outlawed, but the MSF course should be taught to all drivers because it shows the dangers of the road from an angle you wouldn't see from cages. There are millions of conservatives that agree with me, so you thinking we would ever make bikes illegal is ludacris. Hell Arnold "the Governator" just got in a motorcycle wreck and he doesn't even have a motorcycle license. You just bite too easily on liberal propaganda.

I voluntarily took an MSF course, even after 4 years of racing. it help reduce my insurance rates with Progressive. the AMA discount also helped. At least we agree that the MSF course should be required and tougher licensing is needed.

You should join the AMA. Over 20 years ago, certain communities outlawed motorcycles. the AMA lobbied against this and won. The AMA also stopped employers from discriminating against motorcyclist. According to some employers, those that owned motorcycles where denied medical benifits because it was deamed a dangerous activity.

I am not saying I never speed, I am saying it is not ok to endorse or brag about your speeding on public roads like it is a badge of honor when it could have dangerous outcomes like killing a family. People a lot smarter than you have calculated safe speeds for driving that allow for reaction times and the physics of standards vehicles and these limits should be followed, but as you know there is not one law that is followed on this planet because we are human.[/QOUTE]

errr, I bragged about going over 1 mph over the speed limit. Sorry if that was offensive. last i heard, it was okay for someone to brag about whatever they want. And... it was okay to practice any sanctioned religion. And... be gay or dress the opposite sex. I think you know what i'm getting at.

[QUOTE=VolEngineer] Driving a car or a motorcycle on public lands is not a right or a freedom, it is a privilege awarded to you by the government when you get your driver's license. The government can do anything it wants to limit or hender what you might find fun and amusing with this privilege. You are not on your own property and you are effecting the freedom of others every time you get on the road. We as Americans do not have the right to use our freedom to intrude on others' freedom. This is why they can limit whatever they want while you are on public roads to make sure every American and visitor to this country is protected while on America's roads.

You are getting too generalized. This is a debate for another time. I agree driving is not right. But remember what happened to individual decisions to buckle up? We lost that freedom.

How about you come back when you actually have an opinion one way or the other about laws instead of taking the easy way out by being hypocritical on each stance?

Okay, i promise not to call you a newb anymore.

-a|ex

I never ride with out gear. but to teaches own or something


:tt:

:iagree:

I think that you should always wear as much protective gear as you can afford. I mean lets face it, If you are a new rider it might me tough to afford a good helmet, gloves, jacket, pants and boots, after just buying a new Bike.

However, I do think that it should be up to each rider how much or how little gear you wear. I don't think we need our state goverments protecting us from our shelfs i.e helmet and seat belt laws. should you wear your helmet? absolutely. seat belt ? yes. But it should be your choice. this is America.

Wow, you must be a newb...

And Grizzly Adams didn't have a beard...


You should join the AMA. Over 20 years ago, certain communities outlawed motorcycles. the AMA lobbied against this and won. The AMA also stopped employers from discriminating against motorcyclist. According to some employers, those that owned motorcycles where denied medical benifits because it was deamed a dangerous activity.

The AMA also does stupid things, I don't agree with like fighting helmet laws. I am not joining the AMA.

errr, I bragged about going over 1 mph over the speed limit. Sorry if that was offensive. last i heard, it was okay for someone to brag about whatever they want. And... it was okay to practice any sanctioned religion. And... be gay or dress the opposite sex. I think you know what i'm getting at.

Actually bragging about breaking the law is called a confession and you seem to be doing a lot of that lately. I especially like the one where you admit to committing fraud to your insurance company, thanks for letting me know you have progressive. Now I know where to send the transcript.


You are getting too generalized. This is a debate for another time. I agree driving is not right. But remember what happened to individual decisions to buckle up? We lost that freedom.

I agree with not having the freedom to not drive a car without a belt. Some Americans are too stupid to have that freedom of choice. See the hot coffee lawsuit lady.

Okay, i promise not to call you a newb anymore.

I don't really care if you call me a newb or not. It doesn't really mean anything when it comes from one.

I bought a sweet new pair of sandles for riding next year.

I bought a sweet new pair of sandles for riding next year.

LOL, I thought you get mad when people don't wear race boots and now you like sandals.

You dont have to wear race boots. Just somthing more that the ICON junk. I have been guilty of wearing nikes on my bike.

By the way that was a joke.

Wow, ya'll are pretty intense up there :skep: ...but back to the original topic...

I am just getting into my second month of riding and I don't leave the house without my helmet, gloves, and jacket. Depending on how cold it is I may wear my leather pants, I hate being cold...

I have seen way too many pics of what happens when you dont wear proper gear, and all my family is deathly afraid I am going to die on my bike anyway...I used to think that as long as I could get my bike and ride as fast as I could, if someone or something killed me I would die happy...how dumb of me...needless to say, now that I am actually riding I feel completely different but if someone wants to go gearless, let them, I prefer to keep my happy a$$ in one piece!! :yesnod:

AND, I cant even get in the car with out my belt, it feels naked or something!!

You dont have to wear race boots. Just somthing more that the ICON junk. I have been guilty of wearing nikes on my bike.

By the way that was a joke.

Mine was a joke as well, otherwise I wouldn't of used LOL. Not everything I say is serious.

I don't really care if you call me a newb or not. It doesn't really mean anything when it comes from one.

Lighten up...
I'll still give you the thumbs up if we ever cross paths someday.

-a|ex

Lighten up...
I'll still give you the thumbs up if we ever cross paths someday.

If you honestly think that you are getting to me, you are sorely mistaken. I am just an a$$, that is my personality. I love confrontation a little too much.

SO, um, yeah, back to the people who wear the gear. :readng: i need to find a good set of boots and pants, any ideas on where to get them cheep?:dthumb: :whore:

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You dont have to wear race boots. Just somthing more that the ICON junk. I have been guilty of wearing nikes on my bike.

By the way that was a joke.
Joke... :wink: yeah right!! :lol:

I can give ya a GREAT pic of Twisty in his gear... who wants to see? :D

BackMarker...

Not to start ranting on you or anything...im not your mother....

but isnt your 4 kids enough reason to AT LEAST put on a helmet when you ride????

....dont use the expression of freedom as an excuse...your kids wont care if thats the way you lived when your face is missing from your head in the event an ACCIDENT occurs.....thats why its called an accident!


just food for thought.

and no...i dont always wear a seatbelt either....and yes i do speed ALOT....but i dont think its anything worth mentioning.....i dont feel "proud" that I could go flying out the window of my car at 150+.....i try to remember to wear it more so now than ever.....i almost ALWAYS forget to put it on at the house...but I usually remember when sitting at a light and then i buckle up.

but cmon man....it doesnt matter how good of a rider you think you are.....gear isnt just for beginners or those who dont want to act "freely"....its made to save your skin in the event of an accident.


I mean hell...im gonna be only 22...no wife..no kids....no home to support as of yet...and I wear everything all the time.

you have a house (i assume) and a wife (i assume) and 4 kids!!! to live for!

doesnt your wife ever bust your chops about it?

BackMarker...

Not to start ranting on you or anything...im not your mother....

but isnt your 4 kids enough reason to AT LEAST put on a helmet when you ride????


I'm not your mom either, but please learn to read...
just because I don't agree with helmet laws doesn't mean I don't use my helmet. I have already posted previously that I wear my helmet.


-a|ex

BackMarker...

but isnt your 4 kids enough reason to AT LEAST put on a helmet when you ride????

I mean hell...im gonna be only 22...no wife..no kids....no home to support as of yet...and I wear everything all the time.

you have a house (i assume) and a wife (i assume) and 4 kids!!! to live for!
doesnt your wife ever bust your chops about it?

hehe, this is very ironic...
i quit racing and sold all my motorcycles because of that very reason. My wife is the one that surprised me with a 2005 gsxr 750 anniversary edition for christmas.

She was my gf at the time that i taught how to ride and has been with me throughout my amatuer racing to pro. my oldest daughter grew up at the race track. My wife is a nurse and knows first hand of the dangers of what we do.

as bumble bee mentioned, if you agree on a helmet law, then you must also agree that full safety gear must be made into law. a helmet alone will not protect your vital organs, nor will it protect against SUV's. but it will allow for open casket viewing.

-a|ex

Wow the squids are out in full force already here. In the past 2 days i have already seen 4 guys riding in, yes you guessed it, flipflops t shirt and shorts:yikes:. Gotta love it.

Also when i was at the dealer ship earlier today getting new tires on the r6 this big badass came into the shop started heckling the workers for a little bit. When he got ready to leave he just dropped the hell out of his bike in the middle of the road.

Its been a fun day.

Wow the squids are out in full force already here. In the past 2 days i have already seen 4 guys riding in, yes you guessed it, flipflops t shirt and shorts:yikes:. Gotta love it.

Also when i was at the dealer ship earlier today getting new tires on the r6 this big badass came into the shop started heckling the workers for a little bit. When he got ready to leave he just dropped the hell out of his bike in the middle of the road.

Its been a fun day.

Serves him right...douche bag.:lol:

:cry: VOL And here I thought this was about who wears their gear??..
Ooh Oh!.. can I join the debate club!.. can I cani!
:wtf: im sure there are "Political blogs" out there..
FINE!! heres my:2cents: First off.. If you dont wear a helmet.. then kuddos.. riding in a form of Freedom.. and most people arnt born with lids on their heads.. 2 the non-skidlid types... Ride on! At least up untill the point when the 16yr. tennie-bopper on her cell, jabbing about the new pradda shoes decides to pull out after her fakey two way check.. and T-bones the hell out of you.. BUT HEY!.. at least you had your choice!...
The speed limit says 30... in a car, whatever grandpa!.. On a bike!! sheesh!.. times that by 2~!...

WHAT the hell is freedom if we have to conform to the weakest link..
Oh gosh.. rock music is of the devil, it should be illeagle!

Skrew leathers!!> lets all wear fur!:dupe:

After all that and I still don't know if you wear gear or even support it.

:wtf: does that mean dude?

I most definitely wear my gear. It's not even an OPTION at our house to go out without gear. We both have good gear wardrobes for almost any weather (including rain suit), and a dedicated gear closet in the garage.

I spent a year riding passenger (with an ex boyfriend) and had many-a-squidly ride. He had a spare helmet for me, but that was all, and there were numerous times we went out in the typical Florida rider uniform of shorts, tee, and flip flops. I feel lucky I came through all of those rides unscathed, but I'll never make that mistake again.

Also not an option in my 'house'. :dthumb: :twfrox:

I'm all geared up all the time, top to bottom. Leathers when it's cold to lukewarm, mesh when it's hot.

I don't care how others dress, this is how I ride. I am a motorcyclist and I enjoy the riding aspect and hoping to be able to do that for a long time. I'm not a thrill seeker, nor am I a James Dean rebel without a clue type.

YMMV.

Ok a little :jacked: but,

Wouldnt riding a busa or any sport bike with a half shell act like a parasail:willy: ??

i'd like to die with my helmet on...

-a|ex

i'd like to die with my helmet on...

-a|ex


Now we're talking...that sounds like a good way to go out.

That's good for you guys... I'd like to die having sex with 2 or more smokin hott chicks!! Maybe that's just me....

That's good for you guys... I'd like to die having sex with 2 or more smokin hott chicks!! Maybe that's just me....


I'd like to rescind my last statement and go w/ GM on this.

errr...I mean agree w/ his statement.

:cry: VOL And here I thought this was about who wears their gear??..
Ooh Oh!.. can I join the debate club!.. can I cani!
:wtf: im sure there are "Political blogs" out there..
FINE!! heres my:2cents: First off.. If you dont wear a helmet.. then kuddos.. riding in a form of Freedom.. and most people arnt born with lids on their heads.. 2 the non-skidlid types... Ride on! At least up untill the point when the 16yr. tennie-bopper on her cell, jabbing about the new pradda shoes decides to pull out after her fakey two way check.. and T-bones the hell out of you.. BUT HEY!.. at least you had your choice!...
The speed limit says 30... in a car, whatever grandpa!.. On a bike!! sheesh!.. times that by 2~!...

WHAT the hell is freedom if we have to conform to the weakest link..
Oh gosh.. rock music is of the devil, it should be illeagle!

Skrew leathers!!> lets all wear fur!:dupe:

Wow, I don't even remember what was said in this thread and not going to bother reading it again. Taking pot shots at what I said months ago, that's fine. From the looks of it you don't agree with safety. Oh well, darwin wins out in the end.

Helmet, Jacket, Gloves, Pants, Boots. Every time.

That's good for you guys... I'd like to die having sex with 2 or more smokin hott chicks!! Maybe that's just me....
:withstupi and have the right gear on.:lol:

That's good for you guys... I'd like to die having sex with 2 or more smokin hott chicks!! Maybe that's just me....


Maybe he has sex with his helmet on...

Maybe he has sex with his helmet on...
Nothing wrong with that.:lol:

Maybe he has sex with his helmet on...


:crazy:

Maybe he has sex with his helmet on...

Probably something Rossi does because that is one ugly mofo. My gf was watching the Qatar race with me and she was like "good f*cking god that is one ugly SOB" when he took off his helmet after winning.

Probably something Rossi does because that is one ugly mofo. My gf was watching the Qatar race with me and she was like "good f*cking god that is one ugly SOB" when he took off his helmet after winning.


:lol:

Probably something Rossi does because that is one ugly mofo. My gf was watching the Qatar race with me and she was like "good f*cking god that is one ugly SOB" when he took off his helmet after winning.
But he's also one RICH SOB... so I'm sure he gets more than his fair share ;)

Probably something Rossi does because that is one ugly mofo. My gf was watching the Qatar race with me and she was like "good f*cking god that is one ugly SOB" when he took off his helmet after winning.


Thats just cuz she knows how far out of her league he is :D That guy has more chicks in a week than wilt chamberlin had in his carreer!

Didn't Wilt have a bunch of broads in the sack at one time? Maybe it was 100 to celebrate the century mark in points.

Thats just cuz she knows how far out of her league he is :D That guy has more chicks in a week than wilt chamberlin had in his carreer!

No one will ever top wilt chamberlin's mark without dying of some sort of STD in a few days in today's world.

Rossi's league involves farm animals and children. I could very easily see a pic of him in jail involved in some sort of sexual crime. He has creepy white man written all over him.

No one will ever top wilt chamberlin's mark without dying of some sort of STD in a few days in today's world.

Rossi's league involves farm animals and children. I could very easily see a pic of him in jail involved in some sort of sexual crime. He has creepy white man written all over him.


:lols:

Betcha Rossi gets to hook up with all kinds of supermodels....

Betcha Rossi gets to hook up with all kinds of supermodels....
Heck there is always the umbrella girls!

Please, there are plenty of skanks roaming the earth that will hook up with anything that moves...let alone a guy who :zowned:'s the track.

Please, there are plenty of skanks roaming the earth that will hook up with anything that moves...let alone a guy who :zowned:'s the track.
:iagree:

:iagree:
:yup:

Please, there are plenty of skanks roaming the earth that will hook up with anything that moves...


you're right....

























They're called men... :lol: :wink:

you're right....



They're called men... :lol: :wink:


:disapp:

They're called men... :lol: :wink:
:yikes:

No one will ever top wilt chamberlin's mark without dying of some sort of STD in a few days in today's world.

Rossi's league involves farm animals and children. I could very easily see a pic of him in jail involved in some sort of sexual crime. He has creepy white man written all over him.


Women don't see looks, they see $$. Yuo must have missed when he made the top 10 highest paid athletes in the WORLD list. Like I said, Wilt Chamberlain WISHES he could have pulled the kind of tail Rossi does. Have you seen the pictures of the girls he takes to some of the events? :drool: hot!

Have you seen the pictures of the girls he takes to some of the events? :drool: hot!
:iagree: :drool: but like you said. Its about the money and don't forget the fame.

You could be the ugliest MF in the world but if you got some bank then you can pull some good looking trim.

you're right....

They're called men... :lol: :wink:



:lol: :lol:

OK, I admit it. when I use to ride dirt, i used to wear helmet, boots and chest protector, just because crap would fly all over me and I would tear up my clothes and shoes. The onlt reason I wore a helmet Was to protect my eyes. When I stared riding street bikes ( I NEVER wore a helmet or anything else ) but they were all short rides to class and back, I rearly was over 20mph. Since I have purchaced my own sport bike, and in doing all the research, I never go out with out my gear on. NEVER.

But here is the question how many of you actually do, always ride with a helmet and jacket on. I see so many preaching about gear on these forums and yet when I see the same people at get togethers, they are the ones drinking, wheeliing in front of bars, with no even as much as glasses or gloves on...

So I wanna am I gonna be the only loser wearing helmet and jacket all summer long:cry:


well, I can tell you I live in Minnesota and can't wait for next summer already. I'm going to be getting a sportbike and I'm just going to get the matching gear at the dealership! I think you can look alot cooler with matching gear even though is can be a hassle to deal with. I watched a video on google of a guy that had a t-shirt and sunglasses and did a wheelie. He fell off and tore a bunch of skin off his arm and hands....all he would have needed was a pair a gloves and a jacket.

to answer your question directly; It's not worth it to me to not have my gear on cause all it takes is one time on the tarmac and it's like sand paper on the skin:yikes:

I always wear everything, but i dont have proper gear other than a helmet. I wear a longsleaved shirt and a jacket, shoes, work gloves and jeans :bonk: .... those help but not as much as proper gear would have for when i fell. Hopefully i can scrape up the cash for a jacket and gloves over the winter.:wink:

All gear, all the time. None of this "I'm just running up to the corner...." kinda stuff. Nuh uh. Helmet, gloves, boots, jeans, jacket, or I'm cagin' it. There's simply no excuse for anything less.

All gear, all the time. None of this "I'm just running up to the corner...." kinda stuff. Nuh uh. Helmet, gloves, boots, jeans, jacket, or I'm cagin' it. There's simply no excuse for anything less.

:iagree: 100% though sometimes i'll wear my suit if I know i'm going for a more "spirited" ride through twistys etc.

a little late since now the thread is mostly arguing at this point and a discussion about wilt chamberlain and valetino rossi's chances with the ladies. yes i always
wear gear i actually spent more on my one piece, helmet, gloves, boots etc than
i spent on my bike of course i bought a cheap bike just so i could afford proper gear. i don't particularly care whether or not other people wear gear or not since i believe in personal choice, but your actions affect more than just yourself so make sure when you crash your bike helmetless you make sure that you go ahead and die so your family doesn't have to care for your brain damaged ass. i will admit that when i go to the races as a spectator i don't wear any gear except a helmet as i ride around the infield. most people aren't even wearing their helmet but one of my classmates from elementry school fell on his head at less than 10 miles an hour of his bicycle and was permanantly brain damaged so i might be a little biased on that issue.

All gear, all the time. None of this "I'm just running up to the corner...." kinda stuff. Nuh uh. Helmet, gloves, boots, jeans, jacket, or I'm cagin' it. There's simply no excuse for anything less.

Thats what I do...whether it's 100 degrees or 10 degrees. I always have it on.

Thats what I do...whether it's 100 degrees or 10 degrees. I always have it on.
Werd. When I'm "squidding" it, I have my leather jacket, helmet, gloves, jeans and sneakers.

Werd. When I'm "squidding" it, I have my leather jacket, helmet, gloves, jeans and sneakers.

:iagree: Since I bought your boots I haven't worn anything else. Even when I go somewhere I gotta walk around...which is rare...I'm still rolling the AGV's.

I have it on everytime I ride, at least a helmet and jacket.

:iagree: Since I bought your boots I haven't worn anything else. Even when I go somewhere I gotta walk around...which is rare...I'm still rolling the AGV's.
Oh word? If I'm squidding it, it usually means I'm in a hurry to do something and I don't have the time to throw all my gear on.


PS- I don't want to hear anything about time and road rash or anything along those lines. thanks.

:iagree: 100% though sometimes i'll wear my suit if I know i'm going for a more "spirited" ride through twistys etc.

:clap: By all means..... dress for the crash, not the ride. :dthumb:

Always wear helmet, gloves, boots and leather pants. Either wear leather or net jacket depending on the temp. Had a friend who was a medi-vac chopper pilot who was one of the best riders I've ever seen. Took a short trip to the 7-11 and lowsided, destroying his ankle and career....he was wearing sneakers...something he rarely did. Only takes a split second to F%#K up your life.

Only takes a split second to F%#K up your life.

:iagree:

A few years back, a friend of mine (who had some squidly tendencies and quite often "ran down the street" in nothing more than a tee-shirt and jeans, took a quick trip up the street to grab some cigarettes. He said for some reason unbeknownst to him, he decided to put on his helmet (no jacket or gloves though). On his way back into his neighborhood, an elderly woman was heading out -- right smack dab in the middle of the road. He swerved to get around her, hit a patch of sand, and went down, HARD. The back of his head hit squarely on the curb, actually denting his helmet. But his head was fine. A little rashed up for not wearing a jacket, and his hands had some gravel imbedded in them, but his brain was intact.

I wear all my gear everytime.

But here is the question how many of you actually do, always ride with a helmet and jacket on.Always. Anyone who isn't wearing gear from head to toe is either ignorant (they simply don't realize the risks) or makes poor choices, IMO. I had a low side when I first started doing a U-turn at about 5-10mph; I was ignorant. My denim was torn through like it wasn't even there; all my other gear prevented further injuries. Speed is an irrelevant factor in gear discussions/decisions :2cents:

Speed is an irrelevant factor in gear discussions/decisions :2cents:

:clap: So true....

I wear what I want. Which most of the time is jeans, boots, gloves, and helmet, my leathers come out on occassions I plan on testing limits. Although sometimes I will go without a jacket and gloves with my tennis shoe A* boots. I don't ride hard and if I did, it's none of your business. You aren't my momma and you never will be. If you want to be a safety nazi, that is your business. I will take your comments with a grain of salt. This is America, if I wanted someone telling me exactly what I am allowed or not allowed to do, I would move to a country under a dictatorship. Instead I will stay here and enjoy my freedom and you can stick your comments right up your ***.

Always. Anyone who isn't wearing gear from head to toe is either ignorant (they simply don't realize the risks) or makes poor choices, IMO.

I know the risks and everyone makes bad choices. Drinking is a bad choice, smoking is a bad choice, having sex with multiple partners is a bad choice, drugs, eating unhealthy, etc... and so on and so on..... We all make bad choices, it's can you accept your choices is what you have to deal with and I can accept mine.

I wear what I want. Which most of the time is jeans, boots, gloves, and helmet, my leathers come out on occassions I plan on testing limits. Although sometimes I will go without a jacket and gloves with my tennis shoe A* boots. I don't ride hard and if I did, it's none of your business. You aren't my momma and you never will be. If you want to be a safety nazi, that is your business. I will take your comments with a grain of salt. This is America, if I wanted someone telling me exactly what I am allowed or not allowed to do, I would move to a country under a dictatorship. Instead I will stay here and enjoy my freedom and you can stick your comments right up your ***.

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I know the risks and everyone makes bad choices. Drinking is a bad choice, smoking is a bad choice, having sex with multiple partners is a bad choice, drugs, eating unhealthy, etc... and so on and so on..... We all make bad choices, it's can you accept your choices is what you have to deal with and I can accept mine.

:hang: :loser:

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good ole farley

living in a van down by the river!!!

I like the el nino skit too.

It's spanish for "the nino."

I wear what I want. Which most of the time is jeans, boots, gloves, and helmet, my leathers come out on occassions I plan on testing limits. Although sometimes I will go without a jacket and gloves with my tennis shoe A* boots. I don't ride hard and if I did, it's none of your business. You aren't my momma and you never will be. If you want to be a safety nazi, that is your business. I will take your comments with a grain of salt. This is America, if I wanted someone telling me exactly what I am allowed or not allowed to do, I would move to a country under a dictatorship. Instead I will stay here and enjoy my freedom and you can stick your comments right up your ***.

Defensive much?

I don't think anyone's telling anyone what they should or shoudn't wear. I think we're all being frank about our preferences, and sharing tales of other riders that maybe had an effect on our own gear wearing habits.

I will say, from a law enforcement standpoint, you're making a target of yourself, however.... I've now heard it from more than one cop around here (heard it again just a couple weeks ago) that they tend to leave alone riders they see in full gear (even when they're speeding); but when they see a Squid, they see them as irresponsible, and therefore are more prone to not just pull them over, but nail them for every infraction possible. So even if not just for one's own safety, I think making yourself less of a target in the eyes of the Po-po is a pretty compelling reason to gear up. :dthumb:

:hang: :loser:

:lol: You can ride anyway you want to bud, just don't expect everyone to do the same.

Defensive much?

I don't think anyone's telling anyone what they should or shoudn't wear. I think we're all being frank about our preferences, and sharing tales of other riders that maybe had an effect on our own gear wearing habits.

I will say, from a law enforcement standpoint, you're making a target of yourself, however.... I've now heard it from more than one cop around here (heard it again just a couple weeks ago) that they tend to leave alone riders they see in full gear (even when they're speeding); but when they see a Squid, they see them as irresponsible, and therefore are more prone to not just pull them over, but nail them for every infraction possible. So even if not just for one's own safety, I think making yourself less of a target in the eyes of the Po-po is a pretty compelling reason to gear up. :dthumb:

I very rarely am breaking the law. Even in full gear. Well maybe not when I am in leathers, that brings the demon out in me. I don't stunt. So your po po argument is null.

I very rarely am breaking the law. Even in full gear. Well maybe not when I am in leathers, that brings the demon out in me. I don't stunt. So your po po argument is null.

:lol: No, it's not. None of us (and I mean NONE of the people I ride with, which are plenty) stunt. We just don't.

You rarely break the law? So you mean to say that even on the highway, you're cruising along at 55 mph, or whatever the posted speed limit is, let's say 80% of the time? (I'm talking no traffic, good weather, etc....)? If you say that, then you're just flat out lying for the sake of the argument, cus I'd wager to guess that most of us don't even follow the letter of the law in our CAGES let alone on our bikes.

The cops we've talked to weren't referring to stunters... believe me, stunters (on the streets in traffic, that is) are a big problem here, and are a top priority as far as law enforcement is concerned. They don't care what you're wearing (or not wearing) -- they see ya doing that stuff on the streets, they'll nail your butt to the wall. :lol:

I'm talking about sunny Sunday afternoon 'spirited' (not demon fast, not zippin' in and our of traffic, but above the speed limit nonetheless) riding, nothing more.

Riding withiout gear on is like sleeping with a hooker without a condom... you might not have any problems once or twice... but ... if you do have a problem it's gonna burn and sting and you might possibly lose some skin... death is even a posibility...

strap on the gear before you throttle up...

Riding withiout gear on is like sleeping with a hooker without a condom... you might not have any problems once or twice... but ... if you do have a problem it's gonna burn and sting and you might possibly lose some skin... death is even a posibility...

strap on the gear before you throttle up...

:clap: :cheers:

:lol: No, it's not. None of us (and I mean NONE of the people I ride with, which are plenty) stunt. We just don't.

You rarely break the law? So you mean to say that even on the highway, you're cruising along at 55 mph, or whatever the posted speed limit is, let's say 80% of the time? (I'm talking no traffic, good weather, etc....)? If you say that, then you're just flat out lying for the sake of the argument, cus I'd wager to guess that most of us don't even follow the letter of the law in our CAGES let alone on our bikes.

The cops we've talked to weren't referring to stunters... believe me, stunters (on the streets in traffic, that is) are a big problem here, and are a top priority as far as law enforcement is concerned. They don't care what you're wearing (or not wearing) -- they see ya doing that stuff on the streets, they'll nail your butt to the wall. :lol:

I'm talking about sunny Sunday afternoon 'spirited' (not demon fast, not zippin' in and our of traffic, but above the speed limit nonetheless) riding, nothing more.

For the most part I do follow the posted speed limit, but on Sunday I did catch myself doing 110 in a posted 45 through some local twisties. :whistle: No cars on the road and it was a beautiful day here. I know, I was bad, but atleast I was all geared up.

:lol: No, it's not. None of us (and I mean NONE of the people I ride with, which are plenty) stunt. We just don't.

You rarely break the law? So you mean to say that even on the highway, you're cruising along at 55 mph, or whatever the posted speed limit is, let's say 80% of the time? (I'm talking no traffic, good weather, etc....)? If you say that, then you're just flat out lying for the sake of the argument, cus I'd wager to guess that most of us don't even follow the letter of the law in our CAGES let alone on our bikes.

The cops we've talked to weren't referring to stunters... believe me, stunters (on the streets in traffic, that is) are a big problem here, and are a top priority as far as law enforcement is concerned. They don't care what you're wearing (or not wearing) -- they see ya doing that stuff on the streets, they'll nail your butt to the wall. :lol:

I'm talking about sunny Sunday afternoon 'spirited' (not demon fast, not zippin' in and our of traffic, but above the speed limit nonetheless) riding, nothing more.

A sunday spirited ride for me is up in the mountains in full leathers.

When you talk to me about a normal ride you have to consider where I live, I have access to some of the best roads in the nation. Just an easy going ride for me would be something like a commute to work or to the mall or go somewhere to eat. Where I live is a big factor for my rides. I wouldn't go squiding on the dragon for example. I am following the speed limit however on my ride to work or when I go to eat. As for my cage, I drive a little 2000 honda civic that is bone stock and had nothing done to the exterior or interior at all. It is pure and simple a ride to get from point a to point b with as little gas as possible. It is extremely rare that I am more than 5 miles over the limit in that thing. I am talking 96% of the time or more. I am not a speed demon by any means.

Riding withiout gear on is like sleeping with a hooker without a condom... you might not have any problems once or twice... but ... if you do have a problem it's gonna burn and sting and you might possibly lose some skin... death is even a posibility...

strap on the gear before you throttle up

That doesn't do it justice. You have to wear a condom everytime because you could get burned at any point. Anyone can cheat on you and get an STD. Better safe than sorry right?

A sunday spirited ride for me is up in the mountains in full leathers.

When you talk to me about a normal ride you have to consider where I live, I have access to some of the best roads in the nation.

Ah, now that I can understand. Here, we're hours and hours from any sort of twisties... so we have to take our lil adrenaline buzzes where we can get 'em. :lol:

Ah, now that I can understand. Here, we're hours and hours from any sort of twisties... so we have to take our lil adrenaline buzzes where we can get 'em. :lol:

Yeah I don't fit the normal mold for most riders. I understand my not wearing gear can lead to bad things, but I am fine with that. I have seen the ride to die website and get safety speechs all day long at work. I am not uninformed, I just ride how I want to. Bad sh*t can happen to you in gear as well, it is not guaranteed that you will be fine in the best gear money can buy. In most cases a bad wreck will get you bad hurt or die on public roads with full gear with the type of speeds we are talking about. If you wanted to keep it actually as safe as you possibly could at speed, you would choose to only do your hard riding on a track where medical services are standing by.

In most cases a bad wreck will get you bad hurt or die on public roads with full gear with the type of speeds we are talking about.

I've had 4 friends go down in horrific accidents in the last few months. All were wearing full gear, helmets, etc... Here's the rundown:

#1) Wasn't actually travelling at excessive speeds, but had an ignorant cager turn across his lane from the left lane... he was killed instantly.

#2 & #3) (same accident) Were admittedly travelling at excessive speeds. #2 wasn't hurt too badly when she went down, but head did come in contact with ground. Helmet saved her. No road rash at all (was wearing leather). #3 - face came down onto a tree stump... shattered his face. Suffered extensive injuries, all of which will heal eventually... Helmet saved him (once again, not a bit of rash).

#4) Was travelling rather fast, but not super excessive.... head rammed into lightpole. Helmet saved her (she broke some bones, but no damage to her head whatsoever).

Bottom line is, in 3 out of 4 of those, the helmet saved them.

Yeah, that's why helmets are required in most states I suppose. Most gear will save you from rash, but you would need some serious protection to save you from broken bones, losing a limb, or some kind of massive internal injury.

The one guy that went down on the skyway with the SV rally was in full leathers and boots and did some serious internal damage and was lucky to be alive. Something along the lines of a collapsed lung and they had to remove his spleen, plus some broken bones.

Yeah, that's why helmets are required in most states I suppose. Most gear will save you from rash, but you would need some serious protection to save you from broken bones, losing a limb, or some kind of massive internal injury.

The one guy that went down on the skyway with the SV rally was in full leathers and boots and did some serious internal damage and was lucky to be alive. Something along the lines of a collapsed lung and they had to remove his spleen, plus some broken bones.

I don't think there's enough gear on the planet to protect against EVERY possible injury... and that's why riding is a calculated risk. I think it's more just a matter of trying to protect yourself as much as possible. Friend #3 was wearing more of a street style boot when he crashed.... he came OUT of those boots on impact, and broke both ankles. Now while we'll never know for sure, he's said he possibly might have sustained LESS injury had he worn his A*'s race style boots that day.

Friend #4 was wearing her SIDI's the day of her crash... as well as a HUGE supplemental articulated spine protector. She did crack a few (back) ribs, and one vertebrae. But she's not paralyzed, as she might well have been had she not been wearing that back protector. (both lungs were also partially collapsed)

I don't think there's enough gear on the planet to protect against EVERY possible injury... and that's why riding is a calculated risk. I think it's more just a matter of trying to protect yourself as much as possible. Friend #3 was wearing more of a street style boot when he crashed.... he came OUT of those boots on impact, and broke both ankles. Now while we'll never know for sure, he's said he possibly might have sustained LESS injury had he worn his A*'s race style boots that day.

Friend #4 was wearing her SIDI's the day of her crash... as well as a HUGE supplemental articulated spine protector. She did crack a few (back) ribs, and one vertebrae. But she's not paralyzed, as she might well have been had she not been wearing that back protector. (both lungs were also partially collapsed)

Good point Nee......I'll rep ya when I can!

wow, this one seems to be going around alot today!!

I always wear full gear, my friends always wear full gear, we have acquaintances that dont always wear full gear but wear helmets (they are invincible dontya know?) and we make sure they know how we feel about it...but to each his own...as long as you are fully aware of the repercussions your decisions could have...so be it...

:hug: Trip, long time no post, I see you are on one of your more "spirited" tangents on your return!! :lol:

hey rae :hug:

yeah no days off makes trip an unhappy boy.

hey rae :hug:

yeah no days off makes trip an unhappy boy.


are ya'll almost done with that big project? any days off coming to ya?

are ya'll almost done with that big project? any days off coming to ya?

maybe the weekend of the 28th, but I have no idea. This raps up mid november. My organization should be done with all our major projects and be back on normal 40 hours early november. I am ready for it to be over.

maybe the weekend of the 28th, but I have no idea. This raps up mid november. My organization should be done with all our major projects and be back on normal 40 hours early november. I am ready for it to be over.


yuck, that sux, but i guess its good for $$...dont kill yourself man!

Helmet only unless it cold.. 19 years never been down or in any kind of accident. Knock on wood . But if it happens ill never ride again. When I ride its like a game to me. Everyone is out to kill me. And I trust no one. If I dont make eye contact with you at a stop light or stop sign then Im slowing down.. Wear all the gear you want, not gonna help you when that car runs you over...:idk: :2cents:

funny how many times in about six thousand miles of riding i have made full eye concact with a cager only to have them pull right out in front of me. i always slow down when i see autos of any form doing anything in my field of vision. i feel attitude goes along way towards protecting yourself on the street. i believe the fact that geared up riders are underepresented in the hurt study probably has something to do with the fact that riders who wear gear care about their safety. of course i hate people who tell others what to do that is annoying:2cents:

funny how many times in about six thousand miles of riding i have made full eye concact with a cager only to have them pull right out in front of me. i always slow down when i see autos of any form doing anything in my field of vision. i feel attitude goes along way towards protecting yourself on the street. i believe the fact that geared up riders are underepresented in the hurt study probably has something to do with the fact that riders who wear gear care about their safety. of course i hate people who tell others what to do that is annoying:2cents:

I was going to say the same thing. I make eye contact all the time and it's more like they are just looking through me and pull out.

I was going to say the same thing. I make eye contact all the time and it's more like they are just looking through me and pull out.

:iagree: Sad, but true.....

...we have acquaintances that dont always wear full gear but wear helmets (they are invincible dontya know?) and we make sure they know how we feel about it...but to each his own...as long as you are fully aware of the repercussions your decisions could have...so be it...


We have acquaintances who don't wear full gear as well... we hang out with them, but choose not to ride with them.

My line of thinking is this: if you don't care about your OWN safety, how can I expect you to care about mine?

We have acquaintances who don't wear full gear as well... we hang out with them, but choose not to ride with them.

My line of thinking is this: if you don't care about your OWN safety, how can I expect you to care about mine?

as long as they have a helmet we will still ride with them, but I inform them beforehand that if they crash and burn, i dont wanna pick their bloody butts up off the ground!! and for the most part, they are actually wearing gear now too, maybe it rubs off on people after awhile...:scratch: as for the stunters, i love'em, but they know better than to do that crap where they could hurt someone else in the group and there is ALWAYS a respect for the fellow riders in the group, so we never seem to have a problem!

My line of thinking is this: if you don't care about your OWN safety, how can I expect you to care about mine?

Not all people who ride without all gear ride responsibly and not all people who wear full gear ride responsibly. I would rather worry about how someone rides then what they are wearing. Plus, the first rule of riding a motorcycle is you only worry about your own safety. Everyone is out to get you including the group you are riding with.

Not all people who ride without all gear ride responsibly and not all people who wear full gear ride responsibly. I would rather worry about how someone rides then what they are wearing. Plus, the first rule of riding a motorcycle is you only worry about your own safety. Everyone is out to get you including the group you are riding with.

I agree with you for the most part, but to me, gear is such a simple way to try to protect yourself, so very basic, that it's a requirement to ride with us (I don't just mean me personally, I mean the whole group).

I close to a G for all my gear. You bet your ass I'm wearing it.

I close to a G for all my gear. You bet your ass I'm wearing it.

:lol: Excellent point... I hadn't even thought about how much money I have invested in the stuff...

I've had 4 friends go down in horrific accidents in the last few months. All were wearing full gear, helmets, etc... Here's the rundown:

#1) Wasn't actually travelling at excessive speeds, but had an ignorant cager turn across his lane from the left lane... he was killed instantly.

#2 & #3) (same accident) Were admittedly travelling at excessive speeds. #2 wasn't hurt too badly when she went down, but head did come in contact with ground. Helmet saved her. No road rash at all (was wearing leather). #3 - face came down onto a tree stump... shattered his face. Suffered extensive injuries, all of which will heal eventually... Helmet saved him (once again, not a bit of rash).

#4) Was travelling rather fast, but not super excessive.... head rammed into lightpole. Helmet saved her (she broke some bones, but no damage to her head whatsoever).

Bottom line is, in 3 out of 4 of those, the helmet saved them.I've been down in a pretty serious crash and gear was what allowed me to walk away with only a sprained ankle and three stitches to the hand (I am still puzzled by that issue). People can theorize all they like about how useful gear is, but I've lived it.

We know gear will save you from rash and some minor injuries, it won't save you from major injuries. You will still get those. I have seen the effects of both almost on a weekly basis on my trips up to the dragon. Seen the rash and seen no rash. Seen people with just a helmet on walk away with nothing wrong after wrecking their bike twice and their buddy also wreck twice and not a scratch (I wish I would of had my camera on that trip, that was hilarious; 4 wrecks on one run should tell those two boys to stay away) and people in full leathers take the same type of crash and have to have an ambulance come carry them off the mountain. Gear is good and serves a purpose, but it is no reason to ban riders who don't want to wear it from your group. You just need to take the it's my own opinion and I do not need to force it on others approach. That approach saves a lot of stress on all opinions in life.

...but it is no reason to ban riders who don't want to wear it from your group. You just need to take the it's my own opinion and I do not need to force it on others approach. That approach saves a lot of stress on all opinions in life.

I don't force the opinion on anyone... and it's not banning anyone. ANYONE is welcome to ride with the group, so long as they adhere to two rules: wear your gear, and ride within your own limits (both of which are stated in the group riding rules for our local group).

As for our own personal rides with friends, all of our friends wear gear anyway, so it's never been an issue. :idk:

I don't force the opinion on anyone... and it's not banning anyone. ANYONE is welcome to ride with the group, so long as they adhere to two rules: wear your gear, and ride within your own limits (both of which are stated in the group riding rules for our local group).

As for our own personal rides with friends, all of our friends wear gear anyway, so it's never been an issue. :idk:

So this is an organized group thing, I could see why they would want gear for legal reasons. I thought this was just an on your own thing. I wonder what they would do if a straggler followed them without all gear on and did a wheelie around the group. There is nothing they could really do since it is public roads.

Technically it is banning and forcing your opinion on a person by saying do this or you can't ride with us.

Gear is good and serves a purpose, but it is no reason to ban riders who don't want to wear it from your group. You just need to take the it's my own opinion and I do not need to force it on others approach. That approach saves a lot of stress on all opinions in life.I suppose that's your opinion of where the line should be drawn wrt groups so kudos to you. A riding group typically includes people who are like-minded. To me that would include deciding where the line on safety equipment is drawn, thus seemingly negating the very statement. Clearly you don't agree, so we agree to disagree.

And we continue to disagree on saving you from serious injuries; didn't Hurt prove this? What exactly constitutes serious injury clearly differs but I'm not interested in continuing the clear disagreement.

So this is an organized group thing, I could see why they would want gear for legal reasons. I thought this was just an on your own thing. I wonder what they would do if a straggler followed them without all gear on and did a wheelie around the group. There is nothing they could really do since it is public roads.

Technically it is banning and forcing your opinion on a person by saying do this or you can't ride with us.

Not a club affiliated thing or anything; just the group of riders from our local forum, so I don't think legalities are an issue. It's just the preference of the riders. :idk:

(Squidly) Stragglers HAVE tagged along with the group a time or two, and actually it seems to have bad results. They've tended to be very young, inexperienced and riding liter bikes as their first bike. They either don't wear gear, or only helmets, and they tend to show off and ride outside of their skill level. More than a couple have crashed, some quite badly.

It's not banning anyone. If the rules are posted, and someone knows ahead of time what they are, they can choose to either adhere to them and ride with the group, or not adhere to them, and ride on their own. It's quite simple. It's not like we're asking people to sacrifice their first born child or anything... merely asking them to put on a few articles of protective clothing before they head out the door. Doesn't seem like a huge thing to ask in my opinion.

Not a club affiliated thing or anything; just the group of riders from our local forum, so I don't think legalities are an issue. It's just the preference of the riders. :idk:

(Squidly) Stragglers HAVE tagged along with the group a time or two, and actually it seems to have bad results. They've tended to be very young, inexperienced and riding liter bikes as their first bike. They either don't wear gear, or only helmets, and they tend to show off and ride outside of their skill level. More than a couple have crashed, some quite badly.

It's not banning anyone. If the rules are posted, and someone knows ahead of time what they are, they can choose to either adhere to them and ride with the group, or not adhere to them, and ride on their own. It's quite simple. It's not like we're asking people to sacrifice their first born child or anything... merely asking them to put on a few articles of protective clothing before they head out the door. Doesn't seem like a huge thing to ask in my opinion.


It isn't a big thing and you are perfectly fine to do that. I don't care if you hurt people's feelings or whatever by telling them to ride with gear if they want to ride with you. I am not a hippy that wants to make everyone feel wanted and all views allowed type thing. Although, no matter what kind of way you want to butter it up, you are banning people based on rules.

I ride with anyone and if I feel they are a danger, I let them ride in front of me so I can keep track of them. The way I feel about it is if you don't like me riding without gear, then I won't follow you, but I am still going to ride in what I feel is appropriate to wear for where I am going. If I don't want to wear gear that day, I am not going to wear gear to satisfy anyone. Also if you are afraid to ride near squids, showoffs, and people who ride beyond their limits; stay very very far away from the dragon.

It isn't a big thing and you are perfectly fine to do that. I don't care if you hurt people's feelings or whatever by telling them to ride with gear if they want to ride with you. I am not a hippy that wants to make everyone feel wanted and all views allowed type thing. Although, no matter what kind of way you want to butter it up, you are banning people based on rules.

I ride with anyone and if I feel they are a danger, I let them ride in front of me so I can keep track of them. The way I feel about it is if you don't like me riding without gear, then I won't follow you, but I am still going to ride in what I feel is appropriate to wear for where I am going. If I don't want to wear gear that day, I am not going to wear gear to satisfy anyone. Also if you are afraid to ride near squids, showoffs, and people who ride beyond their limits; stay very very far away from the dragon.

I believe it.

I guess I can add some experiences on gear and groups. When I wear full race gear on the streets, a crash is inevitable within our group. When I don't wear full gear (only helmet) I don't ride hard and I keep the group at legal speeds, no crashes. I usually lead the pack. With full gear on, we ride hard until someone crashes (our group consisted of 20 hard core riders, after a few years, it dropped to 5). if I had full gear on, I would run from cops.

All my street crashes occurred with full gear on. helmet never hit pavement. Same on the track, helmet never hit pavement. But full leathers were destroyed.

when i let my hair grow out, it's nice to cruise around campus with no helmet. it's easier to pick up chicks without a helmet on.

my point: if i don't wear full gear, i ride safe. Full gear brings out the squid in me. that was then. nowadays, i'm out of shape and out of adrenaline. doing stoopid things don't turn me on anymore. i need a new drug.

-a|ex ":^(

it's easier to pick up chicks without a helmet on.



-a|ex ":^(

There it is.

my point: if i don't wear full gear, i ride safe. Full gear brings out the squid in me. that was then. nowadays, i'm out of shape and out of adrenaline. doing stoopid things don't turn me on anymore. i need a new drug.

-a|ex ":^(

Hmmm... very interesting. But it's good that you at least recognize that about yourself.

Since day 1 which was back in august lol, I've worn as much gear as possible. First week or so I was squiding it out wit a tshirt, jeans and just a helmet, Now I have leather jacket, helmet, gloves, and boots. The pants are on the truck as I'm typing this. Whenever I go out, I have every piece of gear I own on me. To the OP, how the **** do you go riding without a helmet???? If you fell at 5 mph you could smack your head and get a concussion for what? That doesn't make any sense to me.

gear only protects the person wearing it. it's not an invisible forcefield for those around you. any idiot can still crash and ruin a nice group ride while wearing full gear, so i don't see the point of excluding the non-geared rider from group activities. the person in front of you wearing gear isn't gonna prevent you from crashing, and vice versa.

don't get me wrong, i think it is wise to want to protect yourself from extreme danger in any way you can, but i won't decline to ride with a friend because they don't wear gear. it is their personal preference, even if it isn't a wise one. i choose to gear up every time because i know what i risk losing if i don't. but the rest of the free world can make their own decisions on the matter.

gear only protects the person wearing it. it's not an invisible forcefield for those around you. any idiot can still crash and ruin a nice group ride while wearing full gear, so i don't see the point of excluding the non-geared rider from group activities. the person in front of you wearing gear isn't gonna prevent you from crashing, and vice versa.

don't get me wrong, i think it is wise to want to protect yourself from extreme danger in any way you can, but i won't decline to ride with a friend because they don't wear gear. it is their personal preference, even if it isn't a wise one. i choose to gear up every time because i know what i risk losing if i don't. but the rest of the free world can make their own decisions on the matter.

As I said, my thinking is this: If someone doesn't care about their own flesh/brain/safety, I can't expect them to respect mine. It's quite simple. :idk: It's not that I feel other riders wearing gear will be enveloped in some imaginary forcefield on impact... :lol: It's that I know they've given thought to their own safety before leaving home that day. They've made a conscious choice to try to protect themselves as best as possible, and therefore are more likely to ride a bit more cautiously (unless they're Back_Marker :dthumb: ) and not be pullin' crazy BS in the middle of the group.

Around here (and there's a HUGE sportbike population here), riders who do wear gear tend to be safer, those who don't are a bit more risky/unsafe. You can even see it at Bike Nights and such - those who wear gear will by and large (easily 90%) not drink alcohol when riding. Those who ride up in short and flip flops can be seen meandering around the parking lot with mixed drinks and pitchers of beer.

But I don't ever have to exclude friends from rides due to no gear... cus they all wear theirs!! :lol:

And actually... I mentioned this in the thread about the friend of ours who went down last month.... We had another friend with us who we've known for years, but never rode with. He admitted that he never wore gear, and that he mainly rides to go from bar to bar, cruise at the beach and pick up girls. Cool, no problem, at least he's honest about it. But he got up early that Sunday to ride with us, and did wear his gear (we didn't force him to... he knew our position on it, and opted to out of respect).

Low and behold, as we're eating breakfast, before we've even embarked on the ride, our friend Catherine goes down a couple blocks away. Eric rode to the accident scene with us, and as the ambulance pulls away, says, "You guys set this all up to scare me into wearing gear, didn't you?" :lol:

(for the record, he's now convinced of the importance of it)

Well you do live in Florida. Floridians have a terrible reputation at the dragon with locals and some nonlocals. We make fun of ya'll all the time. The stunters from florida that aren't use to turns find out real quick what it means to lay a bike down when they over estimate their ability or lack thereof. They seriously give ya'll a bad reputation for that state.

Well you do live in Florida. Floridians have a terrible reputation at the dragon with locals and some nonlocals. We make fun of ya'll all the time. The stunters from florida that aren't use to turns find out real quick what it means to lay a bike down when they over estimate their ability or lack thereof. They seriously give ya'll a bad reputation for that state.

Believe me, we know it... we see sh*t like that down here, and mutter, "THIS is what gives us all a bad name."

Believe me, we know it... we see sh*t like that down here, and mutter, "THIS is what gives us all a bad name."

I usually only see that kinda of stuff at the dragon and it's hardly ever a local. Around Knoxville the sportbiker community is pretty tame. A lot of guys with Busa type machines that just cruise, a few stunters (not many), and a lot of pure curve riders.

For me... all gear, all the time, period! Even in the middle of summer when it's damn near 100 degrees and 90% humidity, you'll find me with helmet + jacket + gloves + boots and long pants, and nothing less. Yea I sweat my ass off, but, I've crashed before too and on the highway at that, and (literally) walked away from it with barely a scratch on me. Sooo I know firsthand the importance of wearing gear at all times, even for short trips in town. Accidents can happen anytime anywhere, gotta be prepared. I always think back to Febuary when my buddy Omar was killed less than 2 miles away from his house on the very road he lived on... don't have to go far. Although he was wearing full gear as well, but there wasn't much that could have saved him except taking the keys away from the idiot that doesn't know how to drive a car :nonod:

I wear a helmet, jacket, gloves, and boots everytime. The leather pants are worn when I plan on having a bit more fun than usual on the backroads or when I'm on the way to the track. I always carry ID and my cell phone, too. Ya never know!

This is America, if I wanted someone telling me exactly what I am allowed or not allowed to do, I would move to a country under a dictatorship. Instead I will stay here and enjoy my freedom and you can stick your comments right up your ***.

I understand what you are saying and do agree to an extent. However, there is one area greatly impacted by this issue. All too often, injured bikers do not have sufficient insurance (or any insurance at all) to cover the thousands of dollars it costs to take care of their hospital bills and rehab. The rest of us poor hard working slobs that do have proper coverage pay much higher premiums and co-pays to make up the difference. Although we have freedom of choice, it's nice if some people think about how their actions impact others. You can go on ad-nauseum about other types of behavior previously mentioned....smoking, drinking, unprotected sex, etc.. But here, we are concentrating on biking. If you have proper insurance coverage, I don't care if you ride in a jock strap and flip-flops....It's called "being responsible". Just my :2cents:

I wear me helmet and gloves every ride. I am also one of those that will constantly proclaim the importance of gear and might be caught on a short trip with nothing more than gloves, helmet and street cloths. You will never see me doing wheelies and riding fast on those occasions either.

It all comes down to choice. I live in a free country where I can decide on when to wear my gear and have scars to remind me how important it is.:2cents:

:withstupi

Mike what up bro? You ready to put your rig away for the winter yet?

I wear a helmet, jacket, gloves, and boots everytime. The leather pants are worn when I plan on having a bit more fun than usual on the backroads or when I'm on the way to the track. I always carry ID and my cell phone, too. Ya never know!

Oh you bring up a good point.... I've gotten into the habit of always carrying my cell phone on my body (i.e. inside jacket pocket) rather than in the tail section or a tank bag, the idea being IF (God forbid) I go down, what if I end up far away from the bike, and have a broken leg or something... having one's cell phone close at hand could save their life. :dthumb:

I understand what you are saying and do agree to an extent. However, there is one area greatly impacted by this issue. All too often, injured bikers do not have sufficient insurance (or any insurance at all) to cover the thousands of dollars it costs to take care of their hospital bills and rehab. The rest of us poor hard working slobs that do have proper coverage pay much higher premiums and co-pays to make up the difference. Although we have freedom of choice, it's nice if some people think about how their actions impact others. You can go on ad-nauseum about other types of behavior previously mentioned....smoking, drinking, unprotected sex, etc.. But here, we are concentrating on biking. If you have proper insurance coverage, I don't care if you ride in a jock strap and flip-flops....It's called "being responsible". Just my :2cents:

I am in the high tax bracket and have full coverage. I pay more than my fair share of taxes/insurance to be able to do anything I want. Flat tax for all!

I am in the high tax bracket and have full coverage. I pay more than my fair share of taxes/insurance to be able to do anything I want.

But so many do not!


Flat tax for all!

Ok now on this we might well agree.....

Oh you bring up a good point.... I've gotten into the habit of always carrying my cell phone on my body (i.e. inside jacket pocket) rather than in the tail section or a tank bag, the idea being IF (God forbid) I go down, what if I end up far away from the bike, and have a broken leg or something... having one's cell phone close at hand could save their life. :dthumb:

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But so many do not!

But I do, so I can do it...As for the others, if they aren't riding on bike without gear, they will find a way to have darwin win and make the rest of the population pay. You are going to pay high insurance no matter what, pretty much all you can do is worry about yourself.

Oh you bring up a good point.... I've gotten into the habit of always carrying my cell phone on my body (i.e. inside jacket pocket) rather than in the tail section or a tank bag, the idea being IF (God forbid) I go down, what if I end up far away from the bike, and have a broken leg or something... having one's cell phone close at hand could save their life. :dthumb:
I put it in my jacket if I don't have my leathers on, but I never even thought of that. i just put it there because I don't want to f it up in my pockets.

Mike what up bro? You ready to put your rig away for the winter yet?

Getting there, I rode in today. I'm hoping to get a little more riding in yet before I have to do that. How things up your way?

Getting there, I rode in today. I'm hoping to get a little more riding in yet before I have to do that. How things up your way?

Good man. Thought about riding in today...but 3am sucks for getting the bike out. I'm gonna get out today for sure. And I'm probly riding to Gettysburg this weekend for the Buell Demo.

But I do, so I can do it...As for the others, if they aren't riding on bike without gear, they will find a way to have darwin win and make the rest of the population pay. You are going to pay high insurance no matter what, pretty much all you can do is worry about yourself.

In other words, you wouldn't care if most of the population went on welfare and you had to pay for it? I'm in a high tax bracket too, but it would be nice if I had much more in my pocket. I'm retiring early in the next year or so. When you get to that point, you just might change how you view things. Paying higher taxes, insurance, etc. just because you have to support those that don't give a damn that you have to support them frustrates me. Maybe I should just say: "Let them eat cake...send me the bill".:hug:

Good man. Thought about riding in today...but 3am sucks for getting the bike out. I'm gonna get out today for sure. And I'm probly riding to Gettysburg this weekend for the Buell Demo.

That's cool, your sig pic looks sweet! Also what road is that sign on, I want to check that baby out..lol. I left out @ 4:30 this morning and it is a bit nerve racking keeping an eye out for the deer. Muzzleloader opened today for 3 days. It's really going to be risking riding in the morning now. They are gonna be running all over the damn place now. :cursin:

That's cool, your sig pic looks sweet! Also what road is that sign on, I want to check that baby out..lol. I left out @ 4:30 this morning and it is a bit nerve racking keeping an eye out for the deer. Muzzleloader opened today for 3 days. It's really going to be risking riding in the morning now. They are gonna be running all over the damn place now. :cursin:

I dont know where that road is...but I wish I did. Found it on google.

In other words, you wouldn't care if most of the population went on welfare and you had to pay for it? I'm in a high tax bracket too, but it would be nice if I had much more in my pocket. I'm retiring early in the next year or so. When you get to that point, you just might change how you view things. Paying higher taxes, insurance, etc. just because you have to support those that don't give a damn that you have to support them frustrates me. Maybe I should just say: "Let them eat cake...send me the bill".:hug:

No that is not what I said, I vote for candidates that want to reduce taxes and remove socialist programs like welfare. That's all I can do besides actually running in an election. What I meant in what I said is the system is what it is. You are going to have to support these people no matter what in the system's current state unless we get it changed. Which isn't looking likely because a good percentage of the population doesn't feel the same way as us.

No that is not what I said, I vote for candidates that want to reduce taxes and remove socialist programs like welfare. That's all I can do besides actually running in an election. What I meant in what I said is the system is what it is. You are going to have to support these people no matter what in the system's current state unless we get it changed. Which isn't looking likely because a good percentage of the population doesn't feel the same way as us.

:cursin: Dammit, would you stop posting stuff I agree with? That's twice in one day. :lol:

:cursin: Dammit, would you stop posting stuff I agree with? That's twice in one day. :lol:

:lol: I will try to post something that you won't like next time.

:lol: I will try to post something that you won't like next time.

Awwwww, you're so sweet. :hug:

No that is not what I said, I vote for candidates that want to reduce taxes and remove socialist programs like welfare. That's all I can do besides actually running in an election. What I meant in what I said is the system is what it is. You are going to have to support these people no matter what in the system's current state unless we get it changed. Which isn't looking likely because a good percentage of the population doesn't feel the same way as us.

I get ya. It's just that I get on my "high horse" when the Lortab kicks in. Also, my office is located next to a Child Support Enforcement intake office. I see the steady flow of young girls coming in to establish paternity for that bump on their belly. It just never ends! And they don't seem to give a damn. Hell, one woman had 8 kids by 8 different men. She was currently pregnant with her 9th. When asked who the "potential" father was, she said "I don't know, a bunch of guys f$#@ed me doggie style and I didn't see their faces". GOD I get pissed!:cursin:

I get ya. It's just that I get on my "high horse" when the Lortab kicks in. Also, my office is located next to a Child Support Enforcement intake office. I see the steady flow of young girls coming in to establish paternity for that bump on their belly. It just never ends! And they don't seem to give a damn. Hell, one woman had 8 kids by 8 different men. She was currently pregnant with her 9th. When asked who the "potential" father was, she said "I don't know, a bunch of guys f$#@ed me doggie style and I didn't see their faces". GOD I get pissed!:cursin:

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When asked who the "potential" father was, she said "I don't know, a bunch of guys f$#@ed me doggie style and I didn't see their faces". GOD I get pissed!:cursin:


Fun times... fun times...

-a|ex ":^P

Fun times... fun times...

-a|ex ":^P

:lol:

I get ya. It's just that I get on my "high horse" when the Lortab kicks in. Also, my office is located next to a Child Support Enforcement intake office. I see the steady flow of young girls coming in to establish paternity for that bump on their belly. It just never ends! And they don't seem to give a damn. Hell, one woman had 8 kids by 8 different men. She was currently pregnant with her 9th. When asked who the "potential" father was, she said "I don't know, a bunch of guys f$#@ed me doggie style and I didn't see their faces". GOD I get pissed!:cursin: Well, on the upside you've got a continuous stream of hookup possibilities and you wouldn't even have to worry about knockin' 'em up :wink: :lol:

Fun times... fun times...

-a|ex ":^P

Hey, wait a second...you live in Florida. Was that you at that party???:lol:

Well, on the upside you've got a continuous stream of hookup possibilities and you wouldn't even have to worry about knockin' 'em up :wink: :lol:

Ha. you got that right. There was one occasion when there were two kids bumpin' flesh in the parking lot. It was in the middle of summer and they had both doors wide open and the seats laid back. I went out and told 'em to take it elsewhere:here: . They just smiled and went into the Child Support office. Is that the definition of "pre-dicked". Man, slutius maximus:idk:

Wait....this thread was originally about wearing your gear....guess this subject does kinda fit in.:scratch:

"Hell, one woman had 8 kids by 8 different men. She was currently pregnant with her 9th. When asked who the "potential" father was, she said "I don't know, a bunch of guys f$#@ed me doggie style and I didn't see their faces". GOD I get pissed!" :disapp: Geeze why you guys always got to bring up my girlfriend you should know that is a touchy subject for me; besides somebody has to pay for my motorcycle i have a bad back and can't work. She just does what she can to help out:wink::

"Hell, one woman had 8 kids by 8 different men. She was currently pregnant with her 9th. When asked who the "potential" father was, she said "I don't know, a bunch of guys f$#@ed me doggie style and I didn't see their faces". GOD I get pissed!" :disapp: Geeze why you guys always got to bring up my girlfriend you should know that is a touchy subject for me; besides somebody has to pay for my motorcycle i have a bad back and can't work. She just does what she can to help out:wink::

That my friend... earned you rep points...

Thank you sometimes one must stand up for themselves:lol:

OK, I admit it. when I use to ride dirt, i used to wear helmet, boots and chest protector, just because crap would fly all over me and I would tear up my clothes and shoes. The onlt reason I wore a helmet Was to protect my eyes. When I stared riding street bikes ( I NEVER wore a helmet or anything else ) but they were all short rides to class and back, I rearly was over 20mph. Since I have purchaced my own sport bike, and in doing all the research, I never go out with out my gear on. NEVER.

But here is the question how many of you actually do, always ride with a helmet and jacket on. I see so many preaching about gear on these forums and yet when I see the same people at get togethers, they are the ones drinking, wheeliing in front of bars, with no even as much as glasses or gloves on...

So I wanna am I gonna be the only loser wearing helmet and jacket all summer long:cry:





All I can tell you is I saw a video on the internet of a kid that was on a bike with shades and a t-shirt. he did a bike stand and came down but was going to run into the car ahead that was doing the filming. he hit the breaks and went down....next scene he was in the hospital and the nurse was putting ointment on his arm and hands that had been stripped of skin, and he still gave the camera a thumbs up....ouch! all he would have needed was a jacket and gloves and he would have been back on his bike doing wheelies.

is that convincing or not? I think is worth it for me to wear my gear

I always have my full gear on untill today, I RODE AROUND THE BLOCK .:yikes:
It felt like I was destin to crash just so every one could say I told you so. I didn't but I was cold.

i wear full gear all the time, went down at 60mph and not a scratch on me:cheers:

DITTO....I dont care how hot it is I always wear my leather. I dont observe the speed limit......for a matter a fact I dont even know what it is now.:whistle: :angelhap:

DITTO....I dont care how hot it is I always wear my leather. I dont observe the speed limit......for a matter a fact I dont even know what it is now.:whistle: :angelhap:

:iagree: Last night we were busting the 140+ on Interstate 95 heading to Flordia. Never made it there though!

I know when I strap that bike on with my leathers, I feel so much more in control and will push the bike to its limits as if I have metal armor on.:dthumb: Gotta love it!!!

:iagree:

plus like DLIT said earlier, i have almost a grand in gear, so im def wearing it

alpinestars boots-250$
alpinestars Track pants with sliders-280$
AGV Leather Jacket-260$
First Gear Crappy Gloves-50$
POS HJC helmet-120$

960$ to be exact....need new gloves and a new helmet 2:yikes:

over a k in gear easy....
Arai replica-700
Hein Gerike suit. 300 used new
A* SMX 160 used new
another jacket..First gear 200
Another helmet HJC 160
Gloves Icon 90
Gloves mtek 50 and i know i'm forgettin stuff

And speakin of gear... I'd REALLY like it if my new winter gauntlets would get here already!! :cursin:

Gear every time. Helmet, Gloves, Jacket, Boots, and lately its been cold
(30-40deg) out so I put on two pants.

AGATT - All Gear All The Time.

I probably spent enough on riding apparels to buy another bike on. But I kept thinking of the two times I went down JUST this year alone, sliding across asphalt and gravel (once on the back and side and the other on the face and chest), I think that it's money well spent and hassle well worth.

If leathers are too hot in the summer then get textile or mesh.