Turbocharging a GSX-R600.....

[Meta Tron]

I own and ride an 04' GSX-R600. I am currently running full titanium arrow race exhaust, performance air and oil filters, vortex sprockets, race plastics, as well as some other aftermarkets-rear sets, framesliders etc.

My problem is I am looking for more power. I can't buy a liter bike-due to various factors and I am seriously considering a buying turbocharger from Turbobike Research, according to the dyno read-outs and vids I have saw of this kit in action I think it is the answer.

I am looking for some input. What do you guys think?

[warputer]

Turbo 600.....

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/c...be017c7587.htm

[PlayfulGod]

I have to refrain from making negative posts!

with you straightliner

[Meta Tron]

Please don't refrain from making negative comments. I am looking for constructive input before I drop 3.3k on something that won't be worth my time.
I have been told that the hp and torque gains I will get from a turbocharger will give my bike near liter class performance.
Furthermore my main objective is to gain enough hp/torque so that the front end is lifting through the first 3 gears. The videos that I have seen certainly seem to suggest that this kit will make this possible.
Im trying to get all the facts before I make any decisions and I figured this would be a great place to get some input.

[PlayfulGod]

Originally Posted by Meta Tron

Please don't refrain from making negative comments. I am looking for constructive input before I drop 3.3k on something that won't be worth my time.
I have been told that the hp and torque gains I will get from a turbocharger will give my bike near liter class performance.
Furthermore my main objective is to gain enough hp/torque so that the front end is lifting through the first 3 gears. The videos that I have seen certainly seem to suggest that this kit will make this possible.
Im trying to get all the facts before I make any decisions and I figured this would be a great place to get some input.

Well in IMHO turbos dont belong on a bike. Yes they will raise you HP/torque, and maybe even near liter class. But it will not be the same or as smooth coming on as the liter. You can not beat displacement. I have seen alot of turbo bikes, in magazines and on showroom floors. I have yet to seen on the street everyday or in the mountains. If I were in your shoes n wanted that much power I would get the liter bike.

[Crazy250]

what reason do you have for not getting a liter? IMO with all the time and effort that you are going to spend on TCing and tuning a 600 is gonna easily surpass the price for a liter bike. If all you are looking for is more power, the liter makes more sense to me... it will probably be way smoother too.
BUT if you are doing it just for the fun of it and to say you turboed a 600, then... go for it.

[Meta Tron]

Unfortunately I can't get my hands on a liter bike-for a variety of reasons... its a long story so I am not going to get into it here.
I am really just hoping to give my 600 enough grunt for some better wheelie action. Furthermore to be totally honest I have a thing for turbochargers, it has been one of my dreams to own a turbocharged bike and I am figuring if I were able to get a liter bike then it would be a long time before I could afford a turbocharger for it, so if I can turbocharge my 600 and get near liter performance out of it then I am getting the best of both worlds.
But perhaps my logic is flawed?

[Meta Tron]

Hmmm

[6doublefive321]

I don't think you can TC a 600 correctly, and come out cheaper than buying a 750 or 1000. Also, a TC 600 would be beast to ride. For comparison, ride a two stroke dirt bike of the 125cc or 250cc variety. The power delivery between a TC 600 and a two stroke are similar. They are both loads of fun to play with, but everyday riding will wear you out. Either way, good luck and let us know what you decide to do.

[Meta Tron]

Well to be totally honest I have a slight obsession with turbochargers. I especially love the way they sound
All I really want is to give my 600 enough grunt to lift the front end through the first 3 gears. If I can gain this through use of a turbo charger then I will have everything I'm looking for.
In my eyes a 600 with a turbocharger and near liter class performance would be more interesting than going out and buying a liter bike straight out. Like I say, I am a sucker for that turbo whine.
Ultimately I just want to make sure this kit will make the torque and horsepower necessary for lifting the front end skyward.

[Meta Tron]

Haha I can relate with that analogy doublefive.. I have been riding 2 stroke dirtbikes my whole life.. starting with a KX-60 then a YZ-80, YZ-250 and even a brief stint with a CR-500. I have a feeling I know what you refer to with a 2-strokes snappy power. To be honest I am kind of bummed manufacturers don't offer 2-strokes anymore.
I am going to have to put a lot of thought into TC my 600. A liter bike would be a huge stretch for me but if a turbocharger isn't going to give me the performance I am looking for......

[PlayfulGod]

Originally Posted by Meta Tron

Well to be totally honest I have a slight obsession with turbochargers. I especially love the way they sound
All I really want is to give my 600 enough grunt to lift the front end through the first 3 gears. If I can gain this through use of a turbo charger then I will have everything I'm looking for.
In my eyes a 600 with a turbocharger and near liter class performance would be more interesting than going out and buying a liter bike straight out. Like I say, I am a sucker for that turbo whine.
Ultimately I just want to make sure this kit will make the torque and horsepower necessary for lifting the front end skyward.

regear it for this

and the second part isnt really gonna happen except on paper. To run the boost need to gain 80 100hp from a 600, it wont be smooth at all as far ar riding it daily on the street. Might make a great drag bike tho.

[MikeHump]

If you do decide on the turbo you might want to look into how thick the cylinder walls on the 600's are, so that you can determine the amount of boost the engine can handle without tearing through the cylinder walls. Also, most turbo engines have low compressions pistons (somewhere around 8:1), your bike has 12.5:1 compression pistons (very high), so you might need to get some new pistons that can handle the boost. Bottom end work is generally expensive, and new pistons aren't cheap. You might be spending more money than the planned 3.3K. Also, to get the correct performance, you would need to dyno tune the engine, which also costs money.

But to answer your question, yes you would have enough power/torque to pull the front end off the ground in the first few gears, as long as it's tuned correctly.

[No Worries]

$3.3K for a turbo for your 600? For that price, I can get a 93 ZX-11 for $3K: http://denver.craigslist.org/mcy/563764921.html. It'll raise the front tire in all six gears, be comfortable, go out to Utah, and carry a passenger. And you could use the extra $300 for the rear tire you'd shred. Plus, you'd still have the Gixxer for track days or whatever.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

seems silly to me. why cant you pick up a liter bike?

have you thought about boring out and buying new cylinders? raise the displacemnt a bit.

swap a bigger engine in. get some NOS. build some pedals and integrate them into the engine.

anything other than just sucking it up and buying a liter is just a waste of money. if you like the whine put a whistler tip on your exhaust (bubb rubb!)

[NONE_too_SOFT]

and yea, PG is right, if you just wanna squid it up regear (down one in front, up a few in back) and the thing will stand up if you look at it wrong.

[Meta Tron]

I really appreciate the input guys. I had a feeling I was onto something when I figured I would register here and see what you guys would have to say.
Anyone have anything positive to say about turbocharging a 600??

[JoJoYZF]

Im gonna have to side with those suggesting the literbike. Gixxer 1000s put down around 150-160hp where as the turboed 600 in that video only made 131hp, and the 1000s only weigh 20-30 pounds more. Between the resale of your bike and everything, Im sure you can upgrade to the 1000 for about the same if not less than the turbo kit costs.

[Daveon2]

lets not forget heat production! that turboed six is gonna fry

[MikeHump]

Originally Posted by JoJoYZF

...where as the turboed 600 in that video only made 131hp...

I didn't watch the video, however if a turbo 600 only made 131 hp, a GSX-R 750 might be a good alternative. Power would be similar, and you could still pull the front end up off the ground (from what I've heard).

One thing that I've noticed is that 600's hold their value a lot better (at least in my area) than a 1000 will. So, you could probably sell your 600 and purchase a 1000 of the same year for about what you sell the 600 for. I would suggest highly in purchasing a bike with a larger engine rather than a turbo kit for one main reason:

Bike manufacturers spend millions upon millions of dollars researching and developing their bikes. These engines are designed to produce the most power/torque without the use of forced induction (hence the 12.5:1 compression pistons and individual throttle bodies/carburators) Companies that make aftermarket accessories spend only thousands of dollars developing these accessories (turbos included). So, which product will be of higher quality, the smaller engine bike with an aftermarket turbocharger added onto it, or the bone-stock liter bike?

I LOVE the sound of turbos, however if you want your bike to last you a while, you might just want to get a literbike. If it's not cheaper now, it will be in the long run for sure.