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Why hasn't Buell taken advantage of the 60 degree liquid cooled, fuel injected twin that Harley is putting in the VRSC? Is it too big, too heavy? I mean there seems to be so much more advantages with the 60 over the 45 in a sport bike I hear the Buell's are already extremely nimble so a few extra pounds for the huge performance boost and a better sound (imo) is worth it, right? I wonder if we'll see some 60's from Buell in the future..
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Why hasn't Buell taken advantage of the 60 degree liquid cooled, fuel injected twin that Harley is putting in the VRSC? Is it too big, too heavy? I mean there seems to be so much more advantages with the 60 over the 45 in a sport bike I hear the Buell's are already extremely nimble so a few extra pounds for the huge performance boost and a better sound (imo) is worth it, right? I wonder if we'll see some 60's from Buell in the future..
I've always wondered why the v-rod engine isn't in the Buell's. Eric Buell obvisously has some reason for not doing so.

I've also heard the v-rod engine isn't all that great of an engine, performance wise....but I have no factual numbers to back that up.



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I have a couple guesses...

1) Weight. Don't remember the specifics, but I have seen actual weights for the two engines... The one currently in use is MUCH lighter.
2) Complexity. Buell is all about K.I.S.S. Liquid cooling is just more complexity.
3) Size. Buell has the shortest wheelbases of any sportbikes... Ain't gonna happen if they try to cram in a 60 V-Twin anything... Plus radiator, etc.
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Yeah good point about the wheel base. I really wish the Buell's were 600cc I-4's. I'd defiantly make one my first bike. Don't think I want to make my first bike one with a heavy fly wheel that has no engine brake, and completely different handling than any other bike.
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like O.S.P. said the v-rod motor is just to big to fit in the frame of the buells plus i dont think there'd even be enough room for the radiator and hoses, but who knows engineers can make anything work.
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like O.S.P. said the v-rod motor is just to big to fit in the frame of the buells plus i dont think there'd even be enough room for the radiator and hoses, but who knows engineers can make anything work.
Yay for engineers!!!

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I've always wondered why the v-rod engine isn't in the Buell's. Eric Buell obvisously has some reason for not doing so.

I've also heard the v-rod engine isn't all that great of an engine, performance wise....but I have no factual numbers to back that up.
http://bikez.com/motorcycles/harley-...v-rod_2007.php
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Going by those numbers...I dont want the v-rod engine. 10 less ft lbs of torque than the current Buelly Eng. No thanks.



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Going by those numbers...I dont want the v-rod engine. 10 less ft lbs of torque than the current Buelly Eng. No thanks.
They have a crazy amount of potential though... Think VRod Destroyer...
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They have a crazy amount of potential though... Think VRod Destroyer...
Hmm. You may be onto something.



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With the proper tuning the V-rod motor will desimate all!




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With the proper tuning the V-rod motor will desimate all!
Even that crappy Big Dog?



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Even that crappy Big Dog?
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You have to remember a few facts about Buells...

The SPortster engine has been the choice of HD Racers for 50 years because it has always put out more power per pound than any other HD motor, and that includes the VRod.

The Buell was designed around the Sportster motor and not designed like a lot of bikes are, around the frame and the motor being an afterthought. With the motor being a stress member and part of the frame, you can't just stick another motor in there either! It would require re-engineering the entire bike for a less capable motor.

Cost is also a factor. You can take a stock Sportster engine and get gobs of power out of it a lot cheaper than you can buy a stock VRod motor. The price of the Buell would shoot up by a hefty percentage and that is not even taking the R&R amortization into account.

Last, and to the HD enthusiast, certainly not least, is that the Sportster is pure HD while the VRod does not have the same heritage (sound, feel, history). Some people feel that it is a step forward, but a lot of us are not as enamoured with change for change's sake.
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That is true Preacher... even though the V-rod has been around there are alot of peeps that don't like it and its glycol. However, the real old schoolers don't even like the Evo motor and REALLY don't like the twin cam.




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That is true Preacher... even though the V-rod has been around there are alot of peeps that don't like it and its glycol. However, the real old schoolers don't even like the Evo motor and REALLY don't like the twin cam.
Yeah...absolutely. Alot of the HD guys I know shun the V-rod. They HATE it.



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You have to remember a few facts about Buells...

The SPortster engine has been the choice of HD Racers for 50 years because it has always put out more power per pound than any other HD motor, and that includes the VRod.

The Buell was designed around the Sportster motor and not designed like a lot of bikes are, around the frame and the motor being an afterthought. With the motor being a stress member and part of the frame, you can't just stick another motor in there either! It would require re-engineering the entire bike for a less capable motor.

Cost is also a factor. You can take a stock Sportster engine and get gobs of power out of it a lot cheaper than you can buy a stock VRod motor. The price of the Buell would shoot up by a hefty percentage and that is not even taking the R&R amortization into account.

Last, and to the HD enthusiast, certainly not least, is that the Sportster is pure HD while the VRod does not have the same heritage (sound, feel, history). Some people feel that it is a step forward, but a lot of us are not as enamoured with change for change's sake.

Awesome post rept.....
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I really think they need to scrap the POS trany before they start to worry about the power plant. While the bike may be a bit down on top end HP it is still a stump puller down low but the trany on these is defiantly not up to snuff under any measurement of a modern sports bike. I find it hard to believe they kept a 5 speed grinder box that is about the worst trany I have ever had in any bike I have ever owned, and I have owned a lot of bike over the years, when they redesigned the bike back in 2003.
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I really think they need to scrap the POS trany before they start to worry about the power plant. While the bike may be a bit down on top end HP it is still a stump puller down low but the trany on these is defiantly not up to snuff under any measurement of a modern sports bike. I find it hard to believe they kept a 5 speed grinder box that is about the worst trany I have ever had in any bike I have ever owned, and I have owned a lot of bike over the years, when they redesigned the bike back in 2003.
It would be nice to see a 6 speed in these Buells for sure. And something a bit smoother...although I dont think they are quite as bad as you make them out to be.



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It would be nice to see a 6 speed in these Buells for sure. And something a bit smoother...although I dont think they are quite as bad as you make them out to be.
Suposedly they made a lot of changes in 06 but my 04 is as pretty poor for a bike with only 7K on it. I am not saying the trany is unusable but rather I can see no reason for it to feel like it is grinding going into second just because it is 95 Deg. outside and the bike is a little warm. Go Under the knowledge vault on bad weather bikers and you will see I am not alone. I am going to retro fit my clutch with the 06 parts to hopefully help with the situation but we will see.
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