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Buell XBRR a.k.a. XB$$

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Those things ever finished a race without blowing up?
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umm, it has an appeal to it but the upper fairing seems....
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Those things ever finished a race without blowing up?
How original!

You ride a beemer and an April and you bashing Buells....bahahaha
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overpriced, it better be able to fly, actually take off from the ground and cruise at 30000ft, for a Buell to ever be worth that.

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now it really does belong with its over priced Harley bretheren
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How original!

You ride a beemer and an April and you bashing Buells....bahahaha
Who's bashing? I was asking. Last I heard they couldn't finish the Formula Extreme races because something kept blowing up.
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Those things ever finished a race without blowing up?
LOL, yes they actually did finish a race but only one bike and it only had 4th gear. The Buell race effort is a humiliating effort to all of us loyal Buell owners.
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The tail section yes... The rest of the bike...
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buells have wins in the Thunderbike series and the Moto-ST series but not formula extreme yet.

and just because some of us like different bikes isnt a reason to hate, sure buells arent as fast as I-4s but who cares you can only do the speed limit anyhow right? maybe not everyone wants a bike that does 180mph and sounds like a dying cat. I thought we all had 2 wheels and the goal was to not get macked by some asshat on a cellphone
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buells have wins in the Thunderbike series and the Moto-ST series but not formula extreme yet.

and just because some of us like different bikes isnt a reason to hate, sure buells arent as fast as I-4s but who cares you can only do the speed limit anyhow right? maybe not everyone wants a bike that does 180mph and sounds like a dying cat. I thought we all had 2 wheels and the goal was to not get macked by some asshat on a cellphone


Take it with a grain of salt though... nobody really means anything by it... Just some good natured ball busting...
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I just find it amusing that Erik Buell made the XBRR specifically for Formula Extreme and cheated while doing so (that XBRR has no similarity with the XBS or XBR) and still didn't win. I mean, really, if you're going to play guardhouse lawyer with the rules, then at least win something.

And correct me if I'm wrong but the XBRR are probably not legal to run in Moto-ST, but then who knows. If they can get the AMA to skate through the FX rules, then they can probably got the Canadians to agree for them to run the XBRR in the Moto-ST too. BTW, BMW leads the Moto-ST with two wins on the R1200S, Aprilia has one win with the Tuono and Suzuki has one win with the SV1000.
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It's Ugly and at that price I would rather buy a House in the Hood.... then be seen on that thing.
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I just find it amusing that Erik Buell made the XBRR specifically for Formula Extreme and cheated while doing so (that XBRR has no similarity with the XBS or XBR) and still didn't win. I mean, really, if you're going to play guardhouse lawyer with the rules, then at least win something.

And correct me if I'm wrong but the XBRR are probably not legal to run in Moto-ST, but then who knows. If they can get the AMA to skate through the FX rules, then they can probably got the Canadians to agree for them to run the XBRR in the Moto-ST too. BTW, BMW leads the Moto-ST with two wins on the R1200S, Aprilia has one win with the Tuono and Suzuki has one win with the SV1000.
The XBRR is very close to the XBR as far as I can tell... Details?
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The XBRR is very close to the XBR as far as I can tell... Details?
The FX bikes are based on stock bikes, heavily modded, but have to base on production stock bikes (cbr600, Gixxer6, etc.). The story was that the XBRR isn't even close to the production XB at all but somehow AMA said that it was close enough because Buell melted down the engine casing from the XB in order to make the XBRR and that's how it's production bike related. There was a massive stinker about the XBRR and FX racing last year until the XBRR start to DNFs then the rest of the race teams didn't care any more.

Here's one article on it:

http://superbikeplanet.com/2006/Jan/060123c0a.htm

Dueling Boilerplate: Is The Buell XBRR Legal In AMA Formula Extreme?
undeniable fact: there is no such animal as an XBRR streetbike
by dean adams
Wednesday, January 25, 2006
The 2007 Buell XBRR which debuted this week is an interesting bike, no doubt, and signals a serious intent by Buell to become competitive in racing. It is assumed that this long-rumored model will be Buell's entry into the 2006 Formula Extreme class— (it's nearly the biggest rumor in racing that Buell has Jeremy McWilliams, Pascal Picotte and Mike Ciccotto lined up to race this motorcycle in Formula Extreme).

However, the boilerplate attached to the press release announcing the XBRR and the AMA Pro Racing rule book would seem to be at odds.

The 2005 AMA Pro Racing rule book states on page 21 under the heading of Equipment Standards--Formula Xtreme: AMA Formula Xtreme motorcycles are based on production four-stroke street motorcycles.

And, on page 27 of the 2005 AMA Pro Racing rule book it states: Formula Xtreme competition is restricted to motorcycles (engines and frames) produced for US street use and available in the US through retail dealers.

Buell PR says that the XBRR is "a modified XB engine and chassis".
There is no such animal as an XBRR streetbike.
Clearly, to race Formula Extreme in 2005, a motorcycle needed to start life as a production street model.

For example, when Jake Zemke's Honda Formula Extreme bike goes to the grid, it is clearly based on the CBR600RR streetbike.

However, on the bottom of the press release announcing the new Buell, the following is stated, "It is illegal for anyone to ride this motorcycle on public roads. The Buell XBRR motorcycle does not meet NHTSA or EPA regulations for on road use. This motorcycle may only be used on closed courses."

The Buell press release infers that this XBRR is a new model, "a limited-edition production racing motorcycle designed exclusively for closed course competition". Using the phrase "designed exclusively" in this context would seem to mean this is not a hopped-up machine based on a production streetbike. Buell PR says that the XBRR is "a modified XB engine and chassis".

There is no such animal as an XBRR streetbike.

Erion Racing's Kevin Erion had a copy of the 2006 AMA Pro Racing rule book and said both passages noted above read virtually the same in the 2006 editon.

Erion, whose two riders, Aaron Gobert and Josh Hayes, will race the Formula Extreme class in 2006, was disturbed that the Buell XBRR may be raced in Formula Extreme, "Based on the language in Buell's press release, their bike is not legal for the Formula Extreme class. The rule book states two times that motorcycles for the FX class are based on production street motorcycles; it's like the first sentence," Erion said.

If the new Buell is legal for Formula Extreme, it may fundamentaly change the class. Previously a Formula Extreme racer had to start life as a production streetbike. Now, if the new Buell is legal, it's a sign to the other manufacturers that they can assemble 50 lot kit bikes—for which there is no clearly discernable production streetbike—to race Formula Xtreme. For example, what's to stop Ducati from building a short production run, "designed exclusively", Franken-racer consistening of a 999R or 749 chassis powered by their 1000cc air-cooled, four-valve engine, to race the Daytona 200 with?

AMA Pro Racing sources said this week that based on the fact that the rules for an air-cooled Twin in Formula Extreme are so wide, and allow for so many modifications, that it is their belief that the XBRR is legal for the Formula Extreme class.

The relevant question seems to be this: where is the XBRR streetbike this machine is based on?
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Nonetheless, the sanctioning body; the AMA, had ruled that the XBRR is legal for FX racing. So, good luck for Buell and hoping that Harley is kicking some R&D money toward Buell's way.

But also keep in mind that for $30K and change, you can get the other V-twin ready-to-race bike too (Ducati 999R).
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Take it with a grain of salt though... nobody really means anything by it... Just some good natured ball busting...
agreed, i was in a slightly bad mood because i was sick of people telling me why my bike was this or that and why other bikes were better every friggin time i stopped somewheres over the weekend.


I also agree that the XBRR is not a race version firebolt. Its frame is based on the Uly one, it has a 1340cc and a 6spd along with other mods, but if thats how buell can get its name into a widely recognized racing class the i say so be it damn it! plus its not like they are sweeping the series...... they cant even win a damn race so it really aint no big deal
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They should just build a bad ass street based version of the bike; homolagation special anyone?
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