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post #41 of 164 (permalink) Old 07-11-2007, 01:45 PM
 
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considering it's a V-twin.... I don't want another V-twin so I'm not really interested.
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again dont get me wrong i think its great that buell is moving foward and trying to get more 'mainstream' and i love the new bike and the engine too. (hell id love to buy one but them elephant ears wont fit through my livingroom door though) the point im trying to make is, they didnt need to use an engine with a high redline but they are offering what the average buyer thinks they need and in the end i think with a few minor tweeks this may be the bike that does it for buell
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The 5.5 rim and a 180 would turn quicker than the 6 and 190. Thus more means to Erik B's 'own the corners' mantra.
I know,I just like the look better. Heck,if that's the logic why not a 5"/160mm rear? Oh I missed one,what no gear indicator? The damn thing tells you your mpg but not what gear you're in? HUH?

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I know,I just like the look better. Heck,if that's the logic why not a 5"/160mm rear? Oh I missed one,what no gear indicator? The damn thing tells you your mpg but not what gear you're in? HUH?
You got a point on that gear indicator.



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the point im trying to make is, they didnt need to use an engine with a high redline but they are offering what the average buyer thinks they need and in the end i think with a few minor tweeks this may be the bike that does it for buell
They didn't need to use a V-twin with high redline? You gotta be kidding me, right?

What else is he suppose to use? The Harley engine worked out so well, huh?

In order to be competitive, he has to use a watercooled V-twin with high revving capability for more power. That's it.
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he has to use a watercooled V-twin with high revving capability for more power. That's it.
I think the point of the original Buell has been lost in the chase to win races and that is a shame IMHO. No they don't need a water cooled V-Twin, look at the air cooled Ducati S2R 1000 Monster, for a true street bike. I have ridden and owned several twins including Honda and Buell and for me I don't race at the track or use the street as a race track I want a twin because of low end torque, handling and ability to get the power to the ground not HP at 12K+, if I wanted that I would get a 600. I am not bashing the new bike as I think just think it is a step in a new direction to a competitive V-Twin race effort rather then the street fighter image they have sold for so long.

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I think the point of the original Buell has been lost in the chase to win races and that is a shame IMHO. No they don't need a water cooled V-Twin, look at the air cooled Ducati S2R 1000 Monster, for a true want a street bike. I have ridden and owned several twins including Honda and Buell and for me I don't race at the track or use the street as a race track I want a twin because of low end torque, handling and ability to get the power to the ground not HP at 12K+, if I wanted that I would get a 600. I am not bashing the new bike as I think just think it is a step in a new direction to a competitive V-Twin race effort rather then the street fighter image they have sold for so long.
Many people have been waiting to buy an American bike that has a chance of being competive with the rest of the world. I deffinatly have my eye on it. Another good reason to buy it they finally covered up that ugly ass under body exhaust and put some real headlights on it not some cheap ass projector fog lamps used as headlights

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The real question is how the hell did Erik get the Harley big wigs to sign of on an Austrian power plant???????



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They didn't need to use a V-twin with high redline? You gotta be kidding me, right?

What else is he suppose to use? The Harley engine worked out so well, huh?

In order to be competitive, he has to use a watercooled V-twin with high revving capability for more power. That's it.
actually the harley motor worked out fine especially for a 30 year old design, oh what your talking about the few bikes with the oil pump problem or the handful of guys you read about on the web bad mouthing buells because the bike they never took care of blew up?

I bet if they invested as much money as they spent on R&D for this new motor the 45% v-twin could have been made into a very competitive motor.

i belive the real reason for the new motor was to remove themselves from the whole 'its a harley' thing when someone sees a buell. I dont think thats a bad thing either and i never once said i disliked the new engine.

My original point was that there is always other options then to do what every one else does, not to argue with people over 'whos this is that' and 'what that is where'

anyhow im done and its all just opinions, and you know what they say about opinions ?
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No, not anything to do with oil, the godawful lack of power is the problem!

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No, not anything to do with oil, the godawful lack of power is the problem!
mkay then ....... according to sportrider magazine

03 cbr600rr: 107hp and 45ft lbs at the wheel
03 xb12r: 99hp and 75 ftlbs at the wheel


your point is..........?
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Yeah and my 996 CC liquid cooled v-twin would smoke all over that 1200... your point is? This is the next big step Buell has needed to be a *serious* contender in the global market. You should be happy for it, not against it.

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No, not anything to do with oil, the godawful lack of power is the problem!
Don't forget that loosen your fillings shake the things had! That might be cool on a cruiser but on a street-fighter/crotch-rocket wannabe?

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mkay then ....... according to sportrider magazine

03 cbr600rr: 107hp and 45ft lbs at the wheel
03 xb12r: 99hp and 75 ftlbs at the wheel


your point is..........?
whoa,do you realize that you're trying to make a POSITIVE point about the power of your 1200cc bike by comparing it to a 600cc bike? Heck,why not compare sticker price while you're at it. Heck,see how many recalls Buell has had vs Honda in 2003. Look at the 1/4 mile times and the 0-60 times. The two bikes just don't compare. Buell has his niche and as long as he stays there he'll be fine. If he trys to come into sportbike territory with the Harley anchor tied to his butt,he can't win. Harley/Buell came back to AMA racing with a "cheater" bike,got all kinds of rule exclusions,had an almost DOUBLE cc advantage,spent reportedly millions of dollars and still couldn't compete with 600cc machines that cost under ten grand with maybe ten grand worth of work done to them. That's pathetic!!!

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mkay then ....... according to sportrider magazine

03 cbr600rr: 107hp and 45ft lbs at the wheel
03 xb12r: 99hp and 75 ftlbs at the wheel


your point is..........?
Sport Rider had the XB12 at 99hp/75ftlbs at the wheel? All the figures I've seen have been 103hp and about 84ftlbs @ the crank... Sounds like those number may be a bit off, but I have zero to back that with...
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My point is that the only thing that has been holding Buell back so far is the fact that HD MAKES them put that crap air cooled engine in there.... now that is not the case, so it should be "sky is the limit" for Buell now. Im excited about it and I don't even own a Buell, so I don;t see why Buell owners aren't excited.

Are you worried that what has been said about the old motor will be glaringly obvious when compared to the new?

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My point is that the only thing that has been holding Buell back so far is the fact that HD MAKES them put that crap air cooled engine in there.... now that is not the case, so it should be "sky is the limit" for Buell now. Im excited about it and I don't even own a Buell, so I don;t see why Buell owners aren't excited.

Are you worried that what has been said about the old motor will be glaringly obvious when compared to the new?
I am an excited Buell owner... Now if they could just make it not ugly... Like put that engine into the regular XB's...
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I am an excited Buell owner... Now if they could just make it not ugly... Like put that engine into the regular XB's...
Maybe offer a smaller displacement too. Like the 9R was.

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Maybe offer a smaller displacement too. Like the 9R was.
I could honestly see them phasing out the 9 or combining the 9 and 12... Like a higher revving inbetween version... XB11 that redlines at 9k? That would be interesting (and can already be done with aftermarket parts).
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