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Consider that Master Bike is being held at Jerez every year and that ALL professional and experienced riders from all over the world INCLUDING American ex-racers and Japanese ex-racers...

As far as the European bikes are the "R" or "Factory" models go, that's true, but why don't the Japanese make the same types and see how they fare? Oh but they did (R1 Limited Edition) and got wiped out by MV Agusta and 999S (a bike that has 25-HP less).

Why don't the Italians show up more at most races? Ah...like I said before, they all teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Where are they going to have the money to finance races?

Let's talk endurance racing, the Le Mans endurance race in April had the BMW boxer twin (aircooled) finishing mid-pack. Why is an aircooled flat twin bike with suspensions that supposedly are made for the street instead for racing AND with about 60-HP deficit not finishing dead last?

Japanese bikes are pretty damn good and can't be beat for the money. But they are far from being THE BEST.
Ok,but what is stopping the privateers from racing these far superior machines? I admit that I hadn't considered BMW in the mix but as I'm sure you knew before you typed,endurance racing is as much about mpg and reliabilty as it is about outright lap times. BTW ummmm which brand WON that race and in fact took like half of the top ten hmmmmm? While you're at it,where did your friends at MV finish? Aprillia? Ducati? Benelli? Triumph? Etc. I never said that Suzuki wins every race,in fact going back to the start,I said Japanese inline fours dominate production based racing. Apparently,despite there lack of focus and use of inferior production. Oh and I never said that mt $9000 GSXR was a better machine than a $40,000 MV Agusta F4/312. I said that if Suzuki made a (from the ground up,not add some premium parts on like a R1le) sportbike that retailed for the same money,it would kick MVs butt sideways. Consider this,how good of a bike would MV produce for $10,000? Do you think it would be better than a GSXR? MV starts witha bike that costs 4x as much and they can't beat half the privateers who are using their superstock bikes in AMA superbike. They throw a party when they make top 10!


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Man,not that old song again... I've owned four suzukis in a row and have never seen this problem. I'm not saying it's not possible,I'm saying that I've never seen it or even heard of it before this forum. I know guys who stunt GSXRs,I know guys who race GSXRs(including drag),and I know plenty of guys who ride GSXRs and I've never seen this problem you guys keep bringing up. I even asked afriend of mine who owns/runs a dealership here in town if he's heard of it. He said that he had heard "rumors" from other dealers but had never actually seen this problem with his own eyes If someone on this forum has had this happen to THEM please advise me of the situation and please no 2nd,3rd hand hearsay/forum/blog crap but actual first hand accounts please.
I have owned and seen clutch baskets blow up on FZR/YZFs. Two friends who own 07 R1s that won't run right and one whose bike was leaking oil like a sieve from the engine on his way home fom buying it. Kawasaki was having so many engine failures that they suggested new owners follow a 2500 mile break in period. Lastly,on our ride for the metro cruise Sat,no less than 3 Honda CBR1000RRs overheated in "parade mode". All manufactures have problems and failures from time to time. Your opinion or "feelings" about GSXRs doesn't repeal the racing facts that as one brand out of 6 or 7 they're winning about half the championships around the world so I'm not sure what they have to do to be "cracked up" in your eyes but for me that means a superior bike!Period.







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Ok,but what is stopping the privateers from racing these far superior machines? I admit that I hadn't considered BMW in the mix but as I'm sure you knew before you typed,endurance racing is as much about mpg and reliabilty as it is about outright lap times. BTW ummmm which brand WON that race and in fact took like half of the top ten hmmmmm? While you're at it,where did your friends at MV finish? Aprillia? Ducati? Benelli? Triumph? Etc. I never said that Suzuki wins every race,in fact going back to the start,I said Japanese inline fours dominate production based racing. Apparently,despite there lack of focus and use of inferior production. Oh and I never said that mt $9000 GSXR was a better machine than a $40,000 MV Agusta F4/312. I said that if Suzuki made a (from the ground up,not add some premium parts on like a R1le) sportbike that retailed for the same money,it would kick MVs butt sideways. Consider this,how good of a bike would MV produce for $10,000? Do you think it would be better than a GSXR? MV starts witha bike that costs 4x as much and they can't beat half the privateers who are using their superstock bikes in AMA superbike. They throw a party when they make top 10!
So, I'm trying to understand. You support Suzukis? Its a little cloudy at this point in the BUELL thread.
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So, I'm trying to understand. You support Suzukis? Its a little cloudy at this point in the BUELL thread.
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Yeah back to talking about a good bike on the horizon.
You guys are right but I didn't start it! BTW hopefully Buell will continue along these lines so we can all support an American brand in WSB/AMA competition in the future!

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Ok,but what is stopping the privateers from racing these far superior machines? I admit that I hadn't considered BMW in the mix but as I'm sure you knew before you typed,endurance racing is as much about mpg and reliabilty as it is about outright lap times. BTW ummmm which brand WON that race and in fact took like half of the top ten hmmmmm? While you're at it,where did your friends at MV finish? Aprillia? Ducati? Benelli? Triumph? Etc. I never said that Suzuki wins every race,in fact going back to the start,I said Japanese inline fours dominate production based racing. Apparently,despite there lack of focus and use of inferior production. Oh and I never said that mt $9000 GSXR was a better machine than a $40,000 MV Agusta F4/312. I said that if Suzuki made a (from the ground up,not add some premium parts on like a R1le) sportbike that retailed for the same money,it would kick MVs butt sideways. Consider this,how good of a bike would MV produce for $10,000? Do you think it would be better than a GSXR? MV starts witha bike that costs 4x as much and they can't beat half the privateers who are using their superstock bikes in AMA superbike. They throw a party when they make top 10!
Why don't privateers use the Italian bikes? The cost The cost of ownership is hell on a privateer.

What's the difference between making a bike from the ground up versus add-on premium parts? A Ducati 1098S is a regular 1098 with lighter Marchessini and Ohlins shocks. An Aprilia Mille Factory is a regular Mille with Ohlins and OZ. No different than the R1 Limited Edition. And what do you think it would cost for you to buy a Suzuki GSXR with premium parts? Do you think that Suzuki will be selling it for less than the Italian counterparts? Or much less than the Italian counterparts?

As far as MV not winning the races this year...ahem, it's their "first" year. How many manufacturers win races in their "first" year without feedbacks and datas for more tuning and R&D?

As far as winning races go, ask Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda how's Ducati is doing in MotoGP. Ask Suzuki how's BMW and Aprilia are doing in Moto-ST. Those bikes are competing head-to-head against similar Japanese and American bikes and not big-bore V-twins versus liter I-4s.
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Why don't privateers use the Italian bikes? The cost The cost of ownership is hell on a privateer.

What's the difference between making a bike from the ground up versus add-on premium parts? A Ducati 1098S is a regular 1098 with lighter Marchessini and Ohlins shocks. An Aprilia Mille Factory is a regular Mille with Ohlins and OZ. No different than the R1 Limited Edition. And what do you think it would cost for you to buy a Suzuki GSXR with premium parts? Do you think that Suzuki will be selling it for less than the Italian counterparts? Or much less than the Italian counterparts?

As far as MV not winning the races this year...ahem, it's their "first" year. How many manufacturers win races in their "first" year without feedbacks and datas for more tuning and R&D?

As far as winning races go, ask Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda how's Ducati is doing in MotoGP. Ask Suzuki how's BMW and Aprilia are doing in Moto-ST. Those bikes are competing head-to-head against similar Japanese and American bikes and not big-bore V-twins versus liter I-4s.
Hell small italian design studios build alot of the chassis for japanese moto gp machines or at least they used to till the jjapanese engineers bought them used em and then copied em....
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