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"Signs" For The Balance Point

Hey ya'll, a little curious about the balance point when doing wheelies. I'm looking for any input on signs that let you know when you're close or in the balance point. I had a friend tell me a few things such as you're hands will be at eye level, the forks will be perpendicular to the ground, and the bike will feel completely weightless. Anyone know of any others?
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You should just be able to "feel" it dont know how to explain. Its a natural thing.

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do you use the clutch to bring it up or all motor
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I power it up in 1st and clutch in second
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I probably can be much help on the balance part. how fast are you get it up at. the reason i ask is I'm trying to find that spot my self i start at around 40 in second and can get into 3.
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In 1st I power it up around 6-7k which is about 30-35 miles and hour. I ride the wheelie until I redline and the bike comes back down on it's own. In 2nd I clutch it at about 8-9k. I think 2nd gear is where most people get into the balance point, kick back, and just ride it forever. Or am I mistaken?
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In 1st I power it up around 6-7k which is about 30-35 miles and hour. I ride the wheelie until I redline and the bike comes back down on it's own. In 2nd I clutch it at about 8-9k. I think 2nd gear is where most people get into the balance point, kick back, and just ride it forever. Or am I mistaken?
That depends on speed, gearing, etc. I know guys that ride in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd depending on speed.

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I think one of the things to keep in mind is as long as falls forward you didnt do to bad. just stay comfortable and dont push to hard. my friend has gsxr100 he pulls up in second at 50 and runs through the gears and up well into the 140s. I dont see the point in that but to each his own.
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Bp is a weightless feeling, and your revs and speed will stay constant instead of "chasing" and riding a wheelie to the limiter, you'll be able to stay at a steady throttle, you will know when your there almost feels like its going to go over the first time you hit it, be sure to cover the rear brake and practice using it to bring you down. then when your wheelies progress it can save you if you feel like your going to go over and also help you learn slow wheelies when your ready.

Clutch up in every gear much more predictable, and once you get used to it you can snap it up to BP w/out gaining any speeds
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With my 750 K6 is clutched it up in 1st then just before limiter pop into 2nd and when it pops over the bike actually lifts up more coz ur on the throttle (be careful though - love the back brake). When that happens you have to start looking from the side. If you dont look in front past the forks u are a long way from balance point. You'll feel your ar$3 sliding down and then you know youre at the nicey nicey point. Once u can start playing with the throttle without the bike accelerating BP - from there on its aaallll throttle control smooth bursts....i know....sounds ez, but to get to the part where you get it right each time....LOL...thats another story.....
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I have had a few people tell me when the front comes down to nail it. The reason was from the slam back to earth it wont take long to blow out the 800 dollar fork seals. Any truth to that and if so how long does it take to blow them. I try to set down as soft as I can but sometimes its a bit harder than I would like.
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I've only ever been a passenger when wheeling, never had the balls to do it myself, but once he hits the balance point its weightless. I ask him all the time if he knows when and he says once you pull it up... it all works, there's a certain point when it all just works for you. Good luck!!!

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I have had a few people tell me when the front comes down to nail it. The reason was from the slam back to earth it wont take long to blow out the 800 dollar fork seals. Any truth to that and if so how long does it take to blow them. I try to set down as soft as I can but sometimes its a bit harder than I would like.

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and to answer your Q, ya if your not coming down smooth its a good idea to give a little gas before your front tire touches. I wouldnt "nail" it though. Just ease into the throttle before you touch down.

Try to practice letting off the throttle smoothly when you want to come down though, then it just becomes a habit for the most part
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The past week I've been messing around with them. I pretty sure I'm hitting the balance point now. In 1st gear I don't rev it out anymore, I just bring her up and just mess with the throttle. In 2nd I clutch it up around 50mph and ride it til I get tired of riding. I usually ride it til about 80-90mph. Practice makes perfect though.
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ya if your not revving to the limiter in first your prob in bp or real close.

Try to be as smooth on the throttle as possible helps keep the bike controlled and will help a ton when you get into slower wheelies

Keep at it sounds like your progressing alot
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I'm gonna try and have my buddy taker some video of me this weekend, so I'll post them in the Motorcycle Video section. I'm pretty sure I'm close or at the bp but we'll see for sure when I watch it.
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video is definately a good learning tool, lets you see where your at body position etc.

Keep filming the progress and you cant watch yourself get better in front of your eyes lol
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video is definately a good learning tool, lets you see where your at body position etc.

Keep filming the progress and you cant watch yourself get better in front of your eyes lol
My buddy took some video last week but when I watched it, it seem like he was on crack when filming! lol The camera was so shaky it's not even worth me posting. I'll have someone else take video and maybe the quality will be better. I am a lot holding it a lot higher now than when I originally posted this thread. Oh yeah I think I'll have have to check out ebay cuz I'm pretty sure I blew out my left fork seal, lol.
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