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CNN - Stunters blamed for major accident

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Stunt motorcyclists blamed in serious accident
Wreck forces SUV off road, injures five people
Wednesday, August 25, 2004 Posted: 6:45 AM EDT (1045 GMT)


ST. LOUIS, Missouri (AP) -- Authorities are searching for a pack of highway stunt motorcyclists blamed for a wreck that seriously hurt five people in a sport utility vehicle.

A handful of motorcyclists were on Highway 364 Saturday when they changed lanes and cut off a Ford Explorer, forcing that vehicle to swerve to the right and hit a Chevrolet Suburban.

The Suburban tumbled down an embankment, ejecting most of its eight occupants. Five people in that vehicle were seriously injured; the other three sustained lesser harm. Only one was wearing a seat belt.

"There's a common misconception that if motorcyclists are in an accident, they're going to only hurt themselves. This proved that wrong," Missouri State Highway Patrol Trooper Brian Geier said Tuesday. "Now the public is more aware that these types of stunts cause these accidents."

By some accounts, a chase vehicle was filming the motorcyclists.

Witnesses said the motorcyclists were "riding wheelies, showing off, doing stunts," with another vehicle following them, Patrol Cpl. Jeff Myers said. He called the antics "total disregard for the safety of others."

In many cases, "extreme motorcyclists" -- thrill-seekers who pop wheelies while pushing their machines to the max, at times over 100 mph -- film their exploits for display, at times for online sale.

Nationwide fatalities increase
Safety advocates are quick to point out that motorcycling is no game, with fatalities nationwide having risen every year since 1997. The number jumped from 2,116 in 1997 to 3,661 in 2003. It's not clear how many of those deaths were related to extreme motorcycling, said Judy Stone of Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, a Washington-based lobbying group funded by the insurance industry.

During a three-hour drive home last weekend from Pennsylvania, she said she saw motorcyclists "going so fast, weaving in and out of traffic. It was so outrageous. They had to be going 80, 90, 100 miles per hour."

"It's totally irresponsible and very dangerous," she said. "Clearly, you've seen the results of that."

In June 2003 near Omaha, Nebraska, 34-year-old John Reid Jr. was standing on a road videotaping motorcyclists performing stunts and racing when he was run over and killed by motorcyclist Michael Wilkes. Investigators said Wilkes was driving as fast as 150 mph; he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor motor-vehicle homicide, a charge reduced from a felony.

In Arizona, things got so bad that law enforcers in 2002 created a task force targeting sport bike riders that police and motorcyclists agreed were pushing the limits on that state's roads.

Sometimes, authorities said, packs of 10 or 15 sport motorcyclists have raced on Phoenix-area highways, terrifying other motorists. Often, one officer lamented, "their kick is to find cops, race by them, give them the middle finger salute or wave at the officer. They are out of sight in the blink of an eye."

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Sometimes, authorities said, packs of 10 or 15 sport motorcyclists have raced on Phoenix-area highways, terrifying other motorists. Often, one officer lamented, "their kick is to find cops, race by them, give them the middle finger salute or wave at the officer. They are out of sight in the blink of an eye."
I'm glad that never happened when I was cop there.

I will say this. I rode my SV to work once (not in uniform) and parked with the bike officers. I actually received some dirty looks from my brothers!! That said, it's stunts like the one quoted above that give crotch-rocket jockeys a bad name.
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IM all for being safe, and I know that doing stunts, and horsing around on the public highway, makes about as much as sense as running into the wall 10 times in a row...It's also painfully obvious that motorcycle fatalities have risen in recent years..but to put this statement in..

Nationwide fatalities increase
Safety advocates are quick to point out that motorcycling is no game, with fatalities nationwide having risen every year since 1997. The number jumped from 2,116 in 1997 to 3,661 in 2003. It's not clear how many of those deaths were related to extreme motorcycling, said Judy Stone of Advocates for Highway and Auto Safety, a Washington-based lobbying group funded by the insurance industry.

...to me, there's just no need to even mention that..while I dont have all the hard facts to back this up..Im pretty confident to say that the majority of bike accidents/fatalities do not come from stunters or extreme riders, they come on the everyday road, where a cage does something they shouldnt or where a rider does something they shouldnt, or road conditions, etc.

To me that statement just totally makes it seem like, again, all we do as riders in general, is break the law and horse around with no regard to anyone but ourselves.




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To me that statement just totally makes it seem like, again, all we do as riders in general, is break the law and horse around with no regard to anyone but ourselves.
Some of these sportbikers just ride with reckless disregard for everyone, including themselves.
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"It's totally irresponsible and very dangerous," she said. "Clearly, you've seen the results of that."

She's exactly right. . wear your damn seatbelt, s*** happens. I'm by no means defending the stunters, but come on.

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Shan, I was filling up a couple months ago and a couple bike cops puleld up and starting filling up as well. We talked for a bit and I was on my way. An hour later coming back through I see them again and we talked for a while. They were genuinely cool, and we talked about each other's bikes. One said he could get his front wheel off the ground a little bit even. lol I always wave to bike cops and 100% of the time I get a wave or a nod.

I don't condone treating them like the stunters described above. . I'm just saying I guarantee the passengers/drivers in the SUVs could have avoided getting hurt if:

1. They were wearing their seatbelts
2. They were paying attention to their surroundings

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Not that if they did force em off the orad its not a bad thing for all of us.... but im with the above statement.. WEAR YOUR SEATBELT.... how easy is it to make yourself pretty safe... 1/2 a second to click in.. thats why they make em.... u get ejected and hurt... thats your fault.. they all shoulda came out in the SUV and in their seats under a buckle.

If it was video taped.... they better get rid of the tape and not let it surface.... otherwise i say cops find it and someone goes to jail.


As far as bike cops go... the ones in Reno are DICKS to sport bike riders... u wave sititng next to em in traffic they give ya a dirty look and will not wave back... i think out of bout 10 or so ive seen whil;e riding and waved at.. 1 waved back... if theyd wave they might get a little respect form the two big groups that ride together here.....Being too much of a ass to wave while at a stop sign is not good bike manors for anyone police or harley or Busa.....
Courtesy is the first nessecity on a bike.. either courtesy in giving someone else a position or waving.
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Yeah, it's articles like that which have prompted me to take action...

I'm attending a conference in DC in March, with a few other members from SquidBusters, on how to influence gov't officials to pass pro-motorcycle legislation.

It's time to get the asshats off the street. Period. Stunt on the public streets and get caught, lose your license. Speed over 100mph and get caught, lose your license. Also, it needs to be that if you have no license, you cannot get tags and registration. The safety courses need to be more accessible to people. There's a lot of things that I want to do everything in my power to get in place. I'm not a fan of more laws and bigger gov't. However, if something doesn't get done SOON, we're ALL going to lose our right to ride a sportbike anywhere other than on the track. It's the sad truth...

It so makes me think that a tiered license system isn't such a bad idea...

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Some of these sportbikers just ride with reckless disregard for everyone, including themselves.
I agree here, however, it is just not motorcycles. Yesterday afternoon, about 1:00 pm, I left Jacksonville to return to Tallahassee, about 165 miles each way. We were in my truck and I tend to make time in it, not like the bee, but I cruise 80+. I had a young girl, talking on her cell phone, blow past me in a new Malibu. Like any good fisherman, I reeled her out and followed, hoping FHP would get her first. We were running 90 to 95 most of the way. She almost caused 3 accidents. Instead of slowing coming up behind people so they would see her and move over, she just tried to blow past in the right hand lane. 3 times, the slow reacting cars almost pitted her. Carelessness is not just a motorcycle issue.
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Carelessness is not just a motorcycle issue.
True, but percentage wise it's a much bigger problem than with cages... Heck, with the percentage of sportbike riders in my area who are total squids, I don't blame John Q. Public for hating us all one bit...

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I think its a major issue with motorcycles becuz of the obvious ability to be just that, a squid, and act like an arse on 2 wheels, scaring the general public half to death. and obviously the possibility of serious injury on a bike is greater than in a car.

but there sure are enuff arse's out there in cages to make them bad too.




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