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post #1 of 46 (permalink) Old 07-11-2006, 06:03 PM Thread Starter
 
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First Time track day info

As most of you know, I'm a huge fan of getting new riders to do track days, as a way of becoming more comfortable with handling thier bike, so that on the road, they can concentrate on what the other roadusers are doing, instead of spending all their attention on the bike!
A comment from "JustPucky" in the "True or False" thread led me to start this thread. When the previous person said "The person below me will do a novice track day soon" He replied "False - I really want to, but I'm not converting this bike to a track bike, and i have to do something with the cage before I buy a second bike"

I don't know how things work in the States, so maybe some of you can furnish more info for those who want to do track days, such as costs, required prep etc.

1. There is no need to modify your street bike into a track bike to do a track day. Some people will recommend things like Race glass, to save your fairings if you do spill, but it's not a requirement. (if this is not the case, someone please correct me!).

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drain the coolant and put water and water wetter in, "safety wire" oil plug and other odds and ends, tape up lights and remove brake lights.... i know i am missin something but thats the biggies that i know of



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its diffrent from track to track, but having a full leather suit is always the same. From what i see here, one piece of safety wire, low tack tape, and water instead of coolant will do ya. I want a 1 piece suit baaaaaaaaaaaaad. once i have that, the rest is easy.
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Tape up lights.
Remove or at least tape mirrors
water or water & water wetter or engine ice (most recomended)
safety wire your drain plug, oil filter, and oil fill!

That's it for most track days!




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Tape up lights.
Remove or at least tape mirrors
water or water & water wetter or engine ice (most recomended)
safety wire your drain plug, oil filter, and oil fill!

That's it for most track days!




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I'm a newbie and I'd love to do a track day to improve my skills and make myself a safer rider but a few things are holding me back:

1) I don't know what my % chance is of crashing (do most riders go down or only a few that push it too far?)
2) Though I have sliders on my bike I really don't want to damage it or have to deal with replacing plastics.
3) I have mix-matched ***** for tyres (Maxxis and Dunlop) which sux in general but going to a track on those is out of the question.

The first two reasons are the most important as new rubber will be put on this winter along with some other necessary projects (shovel gone, flush-mount signals, headlight upgrade, etc.). I just don't want my first track day to end up costing me 3 weeks of riding and $$$$ in repairs. So are my fears groundless or well placed? What should my concerns really be?
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I would like to know, where there is one close to KY. Also where I could get a nice set of leathers without having to get a loan for 'em. I could care less of wrecking the bike. It's been down enough. So to all of you fellas around me, where is the closest track? Also how much does it cost to get your bike in there? I don't have turn signals, so thats one less thing to tape up.
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I would like to know, where there is one close to KY. Also where I could get a nice set of leathers without having to get a loan for 'em. I could care less of wrecking the bike. It's been down enough. So to all of you fellas around me, where is the closest track? Also how much does it cost to get your bike in there? I don't have turn signals, so thats one less thing to tape up.
For riding leathers, I came accross this yesterday at Kneedraggers.. I was thinking that this was a good way to figure out sizes for people who weren't sure; Rent for a weekend and get some saddle time. Even if you weren't going to a track you would still see how that Make / size feels.
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For riding leathers, I came accross this yesterday at Kneedraggers.. I was thinking that this was a good way to figure out sizes for people who weren't sure; Rent for a weekend and get some saddle time. Even if you weren't going to a track you would still see how that Make / size feels.
Thats pretty cool.



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Another option is to go to the aerostitch website and use their sizing tool. They have people that look at the info that you put in and then they email you a recommendation, it's the best sizing tool I've found yet.
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I'm a newbie and I'd love to do a track day to improve my skills and make myself a safer rider but a few things are holding me back:

1) I don't know what my % chance is of crashing (do most riders go down or only a few that push it too far?)
2) Though I have sliders on my bike I really don't want to damage it or have to deal with replacing plastics.
3) I have mix-matched ***** for tyres (Maxxis and Dunlop) which sux in general but going to a track on those is out of the question.

The first two reasons are the most important as new rubber will be put on this winter along with some other necessary projects (shovel gone, flush-mount signals, headlight upgrade, etc.). I just don't want my first track day to end up costing me 3 weeks of riding and $$$$ in repairs. So are my fears groundless or well placed? What should my concerns really be?
There's usually not a lot of wrecks. most tracks have levels. level 1 is usually for the slower, just learning type of people. You don't need to go fast because everyone is passing you. Just have good tires and learn your bike. Speed will come eventually.
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Your chance of wreck is 100% up to you. How far and hard you push yourself!




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Your chance of wreck is 100% up to you. How far and hard you push yourself!
I wouldnt go with 100%...there is that chance some asshat could slam you...but I get what you're saying.



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I'm a newbie and I'd love to do a track day to improve my skills and make myself a safer rider but a few things are holding me back:

1) I don't know what my % chance is of crashing (do most riders go down or only a few that push it too far?)
2) Though I have sliders on my bike I really don't want to damage it or have to deal with replacing plastics.
3) I have mix-matched ***** for tyres (Maxxis and Dunlop) which sux in general but going to a track on those is out of the question.
Hi Hunter
Firstly, congrats on wanting to do track days, You'll love them!

Most People don't crash! If they did, there's no way the companies that run track days could keep running. Keep in mind that most people who do crash , do so in the first or last session. The first, because tyres are still cold, the track is still cold, there still may be some dust/dirt around, etc. The last because they're tired. Riding on the track does take effort and concentration, both of which will tire you out. By the same token, If you don't feel 100%, dont ride, or back off a bit! If you make 2 mistakes in a session, Have a break, take some deep breaths, think about what you're doing, before you go and do it again.

Ride within your limits. and right now you don't know what they are! I'd been riding for a long time before I did my first track day, and I knew I was a good rider, but I didn't know how fast I'd be on the track. Start in the slow group! If you're too quick for that, you can move up next session. Don't worry about lap times for the first few days, get used to riding smoothly with others some faster and some slower than yourself.
Ride within your limits, and the limits of the bike. I did a track day on a GSX750F with a ****ty sports-tourer tyre on the front. I rode all day no probs, but I wasn't going that fast. Last session, I dropped 3 seconds off my best time, and was sliding the front through most corners. Scared the crap outta me! and I was lucky not to have dropped the bike, which would've just taken the fun right out of the day!
Be considerate! If you want to race, buy a race bike and join a race club. The guys I race with do lots of ride days for practice. We usually go in the slow group for 2 reasons. 1. our bikes are smaller and slower than most peoples road bikes! 2. For us the aim is to get corners right, so that's easier to do when the other riders are predictable. But we have to keep in mind that we're sharing the track with people who have paid thier money to get out and ride, not to be carved up by a pack of racers!

I'm constantly amazed at comments by road riders who think they won't have any fun on a track unless they can do somewhere under Valentino's laptimes. You don't have to push 100% to enjoy yourself! (Can I get an AMEN!, people??)
You WILL have fun (say it with me... YOU WILL HAVE FUN!!), just getting out there. If you don't believe me, Go to a track day, not to ride, but to watch. Hang around the pits, talk to people, listen to the breifings. You don't have to be there all day, just watch a few first timers, and talk to them when they come in after their first session! A. You'll know a bit more about what goes on, whats required, etc, and B. you'll see that most track day riders are not practice racers, just out to get better!

I'd be interested to hear your feedback after you do your fist track day. If I'm wrong about any or all of the above, I'll be suprised!

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my recommendations on track days.

don't ride your bike to get there, trailer it.
remove headlights/tail lights, turn signals and lower fairings.
expect to crash your bike, that way you won't get p*ssed if you crash.

the fear of crashing slows everyone down. i recommend crashing early on so you won't worry about it so much. crashing is half the fun...

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EXPECT TO TO BE BITTEN!

I attended the Kieth Code school last April for level 1. (great curriculum, goofy facial expressions from Kieth )

Here's a break-down of how I was bit:

KIETH CODE:
1: Track Time......$370
2: Lap Timer........$20
3: Tires..............$250 (most tracks require at least 80% tread)
4: Gas................$20

After that day, I understood a lot of the things I was doing right & wrong while riding through a canyon. My confidence has increased, my skills have increased, & my appreciation & respect of riding a motorcycle is as it has never been before. I made sure that I kept in mind that I am there to learn, not to race & I came out of it with a wealth of knowledge.

Because of this knowledge, it has cost me quite a bit!

1: New trailer.......................................$3,0 00
2: Hardware for tiedowns.......................$160
3: Tiedowns.........................................$ 90
4: Track skins.......................................$800
5: Paint for skins...................................$200
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6: Acceptance from my wife..................3 teeth + foot rubs

One last note.......Health Insurance. Some tracks don't require it (Kieth Code does not) but, from what I've seen, most do require it.

I'm with Chuckademus on this one...........The best time I've ever had on my motorcycle was my first track day. It's like being a kid at Disneyland for the first time.

GO FOR IT!! HAVE FUN!! LEARN!! ENJOY!! You'll be glad you did.

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Good post!
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Good post!
Very good post. I find myself at the track several times a year. Its the safest way to enjoy a sportbike in the manner it was designed to be ridden. Its the safest way to develop you skills as a rider too.

I hear people speak of how expensive it is. A day at the track to satisfy your need for speed in a safe environment is priceless compared to getting caught ridding at that pace on the street. We wont even calculate the added cost of crashing on the street.

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Good post!
I hope to get to a track sometime in the future. You bastards that do already make me jealous.



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$370 for track time? Damn that's a lot. It's usually around $185 with out lessons and sh*t around here.
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