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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 08-10-2006, 09:14 PM Thread Starter
 
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Ranting while at the track

Have any of you that frequent track days ever about or overherd someone else about someone being on a "leader" bike that is fast on the straights but a bit slower in the corners?

At my last track day, I shared a garage with 3 other people. All 3 of them were cussin' up a storm about how they couldn't pass the guys on the 1000's. 2 of them were on 750's & 1 was on a 1000.

It got me thinking about the folks that host these events. Most of them explain that their event is NOT A RACE, but rather a day at the track to improve your skills & have fun. Don't these guys know that the slower riders on the track paid the same amount of money to attend? Don't these guys know that the slower riders on the track present a certain set of circumstances to learn from? To work on? To enjoy? Or are they simply so full of themselves that they waste a couple-hunny bucks just to go home mad? I don't get it?!?!

I wanted to tell these guys to join WERA or AMA & then complain about the conditions on NASCAR (I mean SPEED) TV.

(big sigh)

ok......sorry for ranting on
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post #2 of 25 (permalink) Old 08-10-2006, 09:30 PM
 
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Never rode on a track but I plan on being one of the slow guys.
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That type of crap usually comes from track riders that take themselves too seriously. They are usually wore out, washed up, laid off, computer guys that need to prove how fast they are like its a "johnson" length contest. They think they are the next Rossi but don't understand that they are pushing 30 years old, 50 lbs over weight, and couldn't hack it in the back of the pack of anything close... even when the real Rossi would be lapping them.

Oh and they usually troll all over the internet forums as well...


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post #4 of 25 (permalink) Old 08-13-2006, 07:04 PM
 
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I do a few track days, to try and get set up info for the races. I generally go in the slow group, basically because the top speed of the Moriwaki 80 is about 170 (K's), depending on gearing for the track (about 135ish for Oran Park). It's always fun having 600's, 1000's, etc blast past you on the straight, only to pick them up at the first corner. At Oran Park South cct, most larger bikes in the slow group are on the brakes, and I'll still be kicking up a gear!

But as GM said, these people have paid thier money to be there, and they didn't pay to have me carving them up! So you have to be mindful not to crowd them, and to only make a move when it's completely clear to do so!

I've had the situation where the organisers have made mention of someone carving up slower riders, and we've gone around the pits asking if we've been upsetting people. Almost unanimously, people reply that we didn't, but then comment on how much fun it is to blow us away on the straights!

It's important from my point of view, not to alienate newbie track riders. These are the people who will become better riders, and who might decide to come racing! So when I'm freindly and helpful to people, I'm actually helping my own cause.
By that logic, people who bitch about slower riders on bigger bikes are hurting the cause, and need to be educated in some manners! My normal method is to invite them to come racing, and show us how good they really are, against people who are not going to back off for them!

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I do frequent the track and have complained about the guys on liter bikes that only get in the way in the corners. I'm usually on one myself so its not that big of a deal. I know some very fast guys on 6's that rant about it all the time too. It gets old listing to them. I go for the fun and not to race. How ever if I realize I'm holding somebody up, I wave'em by. Its just a curtsey to them. They paid to play or practice in some cases also. Might as well let them ride to their fullest ability. Besides, I don't want them to race me and possibly take me out in the process of trying to get by.

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I didn't have any problem passing those guys in the corners, particularly on the drive out. The problem I had were the freaking minis. Exact opposite problem - they were slow in the straights and fast in the corners. I would blow by them on the approach, only to have them swing around me following the 2-stroke line, which caused me to completely blow my own line.

Of course, all I had to do if I started to yo-yo with them was pull into pit lane, and then back out onto the track to provide a little buffer. The people you heard complaining should have used the same tactic (at the expense of time on a single lap, which was already being imapcted anyway).
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Never rode on a track but I plan on being one of the slow guys.
Same here.



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It's a common complaint from guys who can only pass on straights. They know it is a fault of theirs for not being able to pass anywhere else, but they project it on someone else to feel better. Happens to all of us somewhere or another, maybe not in riding but we are all guilty of it at times i'm sure. Once they get better at passing in the corners they will love it when it happens, it becomes a learning tool for using different lines for different situations.

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Same here.
Cool. hopefully sooner than later.
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That type of crap usually comes from track riders that take themselves too seriously. They are usually wore out, washed up, laid off, computer guys that need to prove how fast they are like its a "johnson" length contest. They think they are the next Rossi but don't understand that they are pushing 30 years old, 50 lbs over weight, and couldn't hack it in the back of the pack of anything close... even when the real Rossi would be lapping them.

Oh and they usually troll all over the internet forums as well...




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GasMan... you shouldn't be so hard on yourself... n:
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GasMan... you shouldn't be so hard on yourself... n:
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who cares what other peeps are saying.....go out there and have fun and keep it on two wheels
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I can't say I like it much myself, but then I haven't experienced it in a while. I've been lucky at Jennings and a couple other places. Haven't been that many riders on the track. The crowded days can be a bit trying. Myself, I will look behind me on occasion to make sure I'm not holding someone up. There's passing and then there's the stuff. Don't care for a stuff unless it's a good clean one, but then again, it doesn't happen that often. I can see both sides.
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post #15 of 25 (permalink) Old 08-23-2006, 04:34 PM
 
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I heard some ranting when I was at the track from people I kinda know. They weren't too bad. I say F them. i told them i'm gonna be one of those slow fu*ks.
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My girlfriend Sharon started riding about 14 months ago, after she'd been going out with me for about 6 months, and decided she'd like to give it a go.

Not long after she got her first bike a Yamaha Zeal 250, she came to a track day with me, where most of the racers were practicing for the next day. I gave her as much of the best advice I could, because the last thing I wanted was for her to get spooked by some idiot carving her up. She loved every session, was getting visibly more comfortable, and was even getting advice from an A grader at one stage (with me standing behind, listening closely!!). She's done 3 trackdays since then, another on the Zeal, and then two on her SV650, Eastern Creek and Phillip Island. She loves riding on the track, and is really jealous at the moment, 'coz I've got a practice day this sunday, and she's working!

The reason I bring this up is because the Phillip Island ride day was the day after WSBK. Because of the sheer numbers of riders, the division into groups was fairly random. We met a couple in the sign-on line, he an ex-racer, and she first timer on a track. She came in after about two laps of her first session (in the slow group!), crying because she had been scared witless, by several arseholes who had passed her on her 250 (top speed around 190ish KmH), on their 1000cc machines (Top speed around 280ish KmH) at about 2 foot. There was no way she was going out again, and even though the management made announcements to the crowd that it wasn't a race day, etc, she was terrified. Needless to say, She won't be booking any track days soon.

Even though this is only one instance, which happened to one person, in a less-than-perfect environment, it's fair to say IT SHOULD'NT HAVE HAPPENED! She paid her money like everyone else, and had as much right to be on the track with everyone else.

Next time anyone hears someone complaining about slower riders at a track day, keep in mind those people are ruining our sport, by keeping people away. Tell them to either STFU, or if they don't want to put up with slower riders, tell them to grow some balls, and go racing. In the classes I race in, if there's a 2 ft gap between two bikes, someone will fit a third bike in there!



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Cool pics man. I like the bright orange wheels. Are those stock over there or what?



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I don't complain about the slow people. I am one of them on the track! I complain about the ********s that want to podium the novice class, or the intermediate class, or whatever that may be. They get their balls handed to them if the step up a group where they should be, and their tiny little ego's (read:penises) can't handle that for a minute. So they join up in Novice or itnermediate and pull the same stuff Chuck it talking about. No matter how many times the organizers and instructors press the point that it isn't a race, Johhny Speedo doesn't get it, and starts passing first timers within a foot or two... ( on the straights on his GSXR1000 usually because he has no corner speed)

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For track days, it's common to see newbies gripe about faster bikes.
For Pro racing, it's common courtesy to not take the fast line when you hear the race leaders coming up behind you. They will not slow down and you will get hit. I learned that the hard way. I got clipped by Kevin Schwantz at Mid-Ohio.

besides, I like passing slower bikes. It's fun.

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For track days, it's common to see newbies gripe about faster bikes.
For Pro racing, it's common courtesy to not take the fast line when you hear the race leaders coming up behind you. They will not slow down and you will get hit. I learned that the hard way. I got clipped by Kevin Schwantz at Mid-Ohio.

besides, I like passing slower bikes. It's fun.

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That's pretty much the case for any racing, and is track day courtesy as well.

The advice I gave Sharon on her first outing was to pick a line through the corners about 1/4 to 1/2 way across the track, out from the middle. That gives plenty of room for faster riders to get past without having to dive inside her.
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