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post #21 of 83 (permalink) Old 03-31-2005, 11:26 AM
 
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If you donot want to deal with crowds, most BMW dealers will let you test drive bikes for hour on youre own
Probably any place would allow a test ride if I was serious about buying a new bike. But I'm not, and I don't want a salesman or woman hounding me. When I go to a dealer, I hang out in the shop area. I just want to see how much better, or worse, the new "S" is compared to my old CBR. Plus I like riding someone else's new bike.
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You'll find that most BMW and HD dealers will let you test drive a bike... it's just the sportbikes that most dealers won't let you...




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You'll find that most BMW and HD dealers will let you test drive a bike... it's just the sportbikes that most dealers won't let you...

That's the way here too.....ain't that F'd up.

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It is for us legit guys!

But look at it thru their eyes... do you know how many squidly 19year olds would roll in there and mangle their crap!!!




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It is for us legit guys!

But look at it thru their eyes... do you know how many squidly 19year olds would roll in there and mangle their crap!!!
Marin BMW had open house with demo rides for K1200S.
We arrived 1 PM to find out demo bike had been crashed, all other K1200S bikes had been sold

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WOW.. sounds like WOS was there!!!




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Two weeks San Francisco BMW has open house with K1200S demo rides. Few connections at SF BMW, purchased my bikes from them

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I rode the 1200S today at the BMW open house. The ride was 15 minutes, along a highway and then along some streets back to the dealer. Only four bikes on the tour, and the lead rider was a guy who raced in the boxer cup races.

The first bike I rode was the R1200ST. I had never rode a BMW before. First, I had to learn BMW's separate turn signals on each grip, and the shutoff on the right grip. Reving the two-cylinder engine at standstill makes the bike roll to the right from the engine torque. Weird. The fairing vibrates at idle, but the mirrors show more than my elbow. Once underway, it rode very nice, but the acceleration felt like it was missing some cylinders. Twice while downshifting, I skidded the rear tire. Nice bike, but not worth $16k.

Next up was the 1200S. The wheelbase on the 1200S looks super long, but the seating position feels just like my CBR. The four-cylinder engine is much smoother than the boxer, and accelerates much quicker. I was now used to the turnsignals. The windshield was low, but blocked the wind nicely. Acceleration was very quick. I really liked the digital gear indicator, especially when I tried to shift into seventh gear.

The suspension is electronic and can be controlled from the seat while riding. I set it to sport while riding and switching lanes on the highway. And while coming back on a rough street I set it to comfy and it really changed to absorb the ruts. At the end, I had to look under the fairing to see if it had forks. Nope. It had the new "Duolever" suspension. Worked great.

Was it worth $17k? I could get a used busa and R1 for the same price. Is it better than my old CBR? The suspension was definitely better, and the acceleration might be better, but I will stay with my "Old Faithful" for now thank you. But it was nice to try something different. Even had free food and drinks at the end.
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BMW vs Busa!!

NW, you had almost the same expierence I had today...

Dyno, Super, and myself all went on some test rides today at the BMW dealer...

It was a great time... besides for the dealers un-organized event at first.... Our "leader" was a self claimed MSF instructor.... but basically a "fun-governor".

My first ride, was also the R1200ST... I had a similar expierence with it. The mirrors were great for rear ward viewing, when they weren't be shaken off the bike. I found the opposing twin to be refreshing and fun to screw around with. It had some nice low end grunt that gave you the feel of some real speed. It did give a good torque move when in neutral. The gauges on all the BMW's are GREAT! Very easy to read and the gear indicator is a great feature. The bike liked to launch once you got it movin... otherwise, it wanted to staul when first releasing the clutch. Didn't like that too much and took some getting use to...

Then Dyno and I switched up... I got on the K1200S.... which according to the BMW guys is designed to be a Busa killer! Right from GO, this bike was fun and rather fast for what I was expecting. (I will give Jetski that much) The test bike I had, didn't have the electronic suspension to my knowledge. But it seemed to handle well. I was able to get a nice jaunt up the highway to about 135mph and it still wanted to go ALOT more!! I was also able to get 2 OK wheelies out of her before getting in sight of the dealership parking lot... one about 3ft off the ground and another about 2ft...

A few generic things I noticed about both bikes...

The anti-diving front suspension worked very well.... you couldn't dive the bike at all! Not at a light or under extreme braking.

The blinkers setup on the bars is JACKED!! they need to re-engineer that RIGHT NOW!! What a piece of garbage!!! That would be the first thing to go!! There is a seperate flasher button... the left button on the left side and the right on the right. No biggie there I guess... but then instead of having the elimanator on both sides, there is just 1 button for that on the right grip. The worse thing about it, is that everytime I hit the cancel I would inavertly twist the throttle! It's complete BS! I stopped using the blinkers completely and went to straight hand signals!! F those!!

Another great item on both bikes was the gauges... very easy to read and the gear indicator was a great tool for a guy that has never riddin that bike. Furthermore, I need to install one on my 9R so I can be like the BMW's and like Twisty!

The brakes were great and everything that most sportbikes have. With standard stainless steel braided brake lines, and the front brake being porpotianal makes it a snap to bring down to speed. That combined with the optional ABS and what confidence!!

I thoughly enjoyed myself on the BMW's and will consider one in the future if my tastes curve in that direction. Their craftsmenship, overall feel of quality and good engineering is a for sure selling point. Not to mention a standard 3 year/36K warrenty!

Overall, great bikes, a little more money for some refined machines!!




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And Super test rode a R1200GS...super motard dual sport thing... not sure what he thought of that!!

And I forgot to mention that the shaft drives were really nice along with the single sided swingarms... looks way too cool!! (See pics in gallery)

After riding all those bike though... when we got on our sportbikes we felt like we were on pocketbikes...

I posted some pics in the gallery!!! Enjoy!

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Gas Man, I'm glad you agree. I honked the horn several times turning off the turn signals. Had to use the signals because the other riders were far behind. Forget to mention the brakes. We got off the highway at an unfamiliar exit. Had to hit the brakes hard and they stopped very nicely. I think it had ABS. On the S, I was doing 100 and it felt like 60. Be great for the Autobahn. Wish I could have taken it to the twisties. BMW seems to have a winner with the 1200S.
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So do you guys still think the 12S is an old mans bikes or something comfy with power and handling?

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I would say the later... I don't think it will take out a Jap liter bike but it is fast and comfy!




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Yeah, no doubt, them blinkers have to go. One On switch on the Left, One on switch on the Right, A seperate off switch on the right.....Tree switches where a single combo switch has been working for years. That's just insane. As if there weren't enough controls already, seat heaters, bar heaters, windscreen adjust, Dimmer/Bright/Flash to pass, Horn button. I am sure it would be something I could get used to in time, but to jump on it and ride it on any given sunday, no thank you. I think I was using my Nine of my Ten dollars of riding skills just keeping the controls understood.

However I must say the K1200 is a nice ride, handles nice, feels very solid, very German. Styling is very refined, paint jpb is not real flashy, very attractive ride. Handling and performance is right there. I guess if I was in the mood to blow 17Large there would be one sitting next to the Six. What I would not be buying is that opposing twin ST. Talk about a rattle box. Every time you gun the engine sitting still the thing likes to lay to the right. I've never been a fan of twins, and the opposing Boxer was no exception. It felt like I was on a detuned 250 Ninja, I really have nothing good to say about that bike except for the gear indicator. I've always felt that is a worthwhile feature and all sportbikes, shoot bikes in general, should have one.

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Braking and anti dive system sold me on my K1200RS. Test ride took bike up to 80 MPH and just nailed brakes, said to myself have to have this bike.
Now have to try and make it to dealership this week for K1200S test ride

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I will check it out for my self just for curiosity sake.
I didn't think I would want one from the start but have to try new things.

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That anti dive is really cool...but it gives you the illusion that you're not stopping! Kinda wierd but you could get use to it REAL quick!




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That anti dive is really cool...but it gives you the illusion that you're not stopping! Kinda wierd but you could get use to it REAL quick!
When you use front hand brake, computer takes control of braking by modulating front and rear brakes so you donot dive.
When you use rear brake only, your brakes are not linked.

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Braking and anti dive system sold me on my K1200RS. Test ride took bike up to 80 MPH and just nailed brakes, said to myself have to have this bike.
Now have to try and make it to dealership this week for K1200S test ride
Yeah, if you like the RS then you will definitely love the S. Riding the ST behind the S, the rear tail light on the S looks weird. But after 15 minutes, it grew on me. Since you seem to be a BMW fan, are you like the Harley guys where anything more than two cylinders is sacrilegious? I have to agree with cerveja. Because from my 15 minutes of riding each, the two cylinder ST can't even begin to compare to the four cylinder S. I'd like to see how the S compares to the busa, ZX12, FJR1300, and old blackbird.
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