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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 09-17-2004, 08:01 PM Thread Starter
 
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CBR1000RR or R1?

My first bike was an '02 CBR600F4i... I didn't put a whole lot of miles on it and wasn't really capable of pushing it anywhere close to the limits, but I did think that it was a little weak on torque... definitely fast enough to command respect from my beginner self, but if I get another bike sometime I'd like one with a little more grunt. I have enough sense to know my limits and give them plenty of respect... I must be getting old...

Looking at maybe getting a 2005 model once they come out, and after reading a bunch of reviews I'm a little unsure... was wondering if anyone could provide some real world, non-magazine perspective on these things.

The Kawi 10R looks pretty sweet, but after reading the reviews I know that it's too aggressive a bike for me. I assume the same probably holds true for the new GSX-R1000, plus the exhaust is funny-looking...

So, my two best choices are probably a CBR1000RR or a Yamaha R1... I like the looks of the 1000RR a little better, but am concerned by a couple things that I have heard about it... the two concerns are:

1. Seating position has been described as sitting "on" the bike rather than "in" it...

2. Most tests criticize it for a lack of "character" when compared to the other liter-bikes...

Can anyone with actual seat times on a 1000RR comment on either of these? Anyone had a chance to compare the new R1 ('04) with a 1000RR?
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Ive never ridden a 1000RR before have sat on them a number of times, and for a liter, balls out, sportbike, they were quite comfortable to me (im 5'7")
The ZX10 and gixxer1000 are very aggressive in terms of speed,torque, style and ergos in general. The 1000RR cant really be compared to other liter bikes in its class, simply because, while Honda has made leaps and bound strides w/ the new redesigned 600RR and 1000RR, they are still in the Honda tradition of power, speed and agility, with real world style ergos. in other words, it's not quite as aggressive as the R1, ZX10 or Gixxer.

For my money though, I really like the 1000RR, she would treat you well, and have more than enough power to keep your pulse racing.

Sounds like you have your head on straight when choosing a new bike, especially a liter bike...they are a blast to ride, as long as you are capable of handling the power.

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Go with the Gixxer 1000. I have riden them and loved it. You will not be disappointed.

I have only sat on the Honda 1000RR just as Matt has done. they are very comfortable and I am almost 6' tall. Either way, you won't be wrong. Let us know when you make a choice on one. Have you been to a dealer to sit on one yet to see for yourself how comfortable they are?
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My first bike was an '02 CBR600F4i... I didn't put a whole lot of miles on it and wasn't really capable of pushing it anywhere close to the limits,

Did you ever try to start it? I don't have to push mine.
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jumping from 600 to a liter bike is a pretty big step, especially if you were pretty comfortable, skillz wise, on a 600...so just be xxtttrrraaa careful,and consider all your options. A 750 might not be such a bad choice, and you can mod them out to be pretty beastly!
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Go with the 750. You will love it. I know me and Matt like ours.
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Get Gixxer and be done with it. Eveything else is just me...
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Ever consider nutting up and going Italian? If you like to corner, it's the way to go. The suspension components are *way* better than anything you'll get on a Japanese bike.
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Ever consider nutting up and going Italian? If you like to corner, it's the way to go. The suspension components are *way* better than anything you'll get on a Japanese bike.
Is this guy smokin somin good? Puff puff PASS!! Don't forget to pass!

Twisty, do you hear this stuff?????

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I'll call bullshiet here too..I'll put up a ZX10 or Gixxer1000 up against an italian bike any day. Dont get me wrong, I think Ducs and Aprilias are fine bikes, and many people will never own anything but one. But for all the maint hassles, and average suspension, not to mention the price tag, I'll take my jap ride any day.
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My ole' man and many other non HD guys told me many times over the years. Buy what ever brand MC you want as long as it's a Jap bike. They've always been right!

I think you're right Matt. I'd put the GSXR 1000 or the 10R up against any of the Italian's and see who makes the finish line first...




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My ole' man and many other non HD guys told me many times over the years. Buy what ever brand MC you want as long as it's a Jap bike. They've always been right!

I think you're right Matt. I'd put the GSXR 1000 or the 10R up against any of the Italian's and see who makes the finish line first...
It'll be the japanese bike first, if for no other reason than his wallet will be lighter.
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It'll be the japanese bike first, if for no other reason than his wallet will be lighter.
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I think y'all are putting too much emphasis on the bike. Both the Jap bikes and the Italians can make some mean machinery, but without a skilled rider they're just piles of metal, plastic and rubber.

The differences are not that tremendous, or at least enough where a skilled rider couldn't compensate or overcome them.
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I think y'all are putting too much emphasis on the bike. Both the Jap bikes and the Italians can make some mean machinery, but without a skilled rider they're just piles of metal, plastic and rubber.

The differences are not that tremendous, or at least enough where a skilled rider couldn't compensate or overcome them.
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yeah, u gotta point...but u know us japanese sportbike riders..we gotta defend our turf.. either way though, I still cant justify the price tag though, unless my last name is trump or hefner..
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jumping from 600 to a liter bike is a pretty big step, especially if you were pretty comfortable, skillz wise, on a 600...so just be xxtttrrraaa careful,and consider all your options. A 750 might not be such a bad choice, and you can mod them out to be pretty beastly!
Going from a mountain bike to a 600cc sportbike is a big step as well... for either one you have to know your limits, respect them, and then for good measure stay well under them in case you were off a little...

I wouldn't say that I was comfortable yet with my 'skillz' on the 600, but I did manage to find a few positions on the throttle between closed and wide open... I could also tell that long-term, I was going to want something with more power...

Not that I plan on riding a liter-bike any faster than most of you could ride a 600, but there's a certain satisfaction that comes from the feeling of power even when you're not using all of it. You can feel it in the throttle and know that the machine can do everything you ask of it without having to strain at it... You may go exactly the same pace as before, but it's just better somehow.
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sounds like you have a good idea of how to respect the power of the beast..just be careful, because with power comes temptation.. (which isnt always a bad thing )
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Yeah when I use to have my (BEAT A$$)TLS, You should have seen the guys in the Duc clubs faces when they walked over to my pits and found out it was a TLS with 20K on the clock that passed them and walked away in the 1000 class. So your right about the rider because I passed the 2 brand new 999s.
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Yeah when I use to have my (BEAT A$$)TLS, You should have seen the guys in the Duc clubs faces when they walked over to my pits and found out it was a TLS with 20K on the clock that passed them and walked away in the 1000 class. So your right about the rider because I passed the 2 brand new 999s.
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