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post #1 of 63 (permalink) Old 11-07-2006, 01:33 PM Thread Starter
 
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Fair tipping

Oh, here's an interesting can of worms for a rainy afternoon.... Posted on another forum, but I'm curious what ya'll have to say on this....

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With your continued support, we are actively pursuing reform with the N.R.A. (National Restaurant Association) so as to add a set 20% service charge to every check."

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Oh, here's an interesting can of worms for a rainy afternoon.... Posted on another forum, but I'm curious what ya'll have to say on this....
Screw that! The cost of dining out is going up and they still get the customary 15% so they do get raises. I know people who make over $40/hour on friday and sat nights. They are not worth that kind of money.
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I don't have any issue with how much money a server makes, IF they earn it. The whole concept of standardizing and automatically adding a tip as a service charge just makes me because then what motivation is there for a server to do their job well? NONE. So essentially the cost of eating out will go up, service will go down, and then what?

I've never waited tables, because I KNOW I don't have the patience for it, and I'd be the bitchy waitress "accidentally" pouring a pot of coffee in your lap if you pissed me off... so I have much respect for people who can do it, and do it well.... it takes a certain personality type, and therefore I tip really well when I get good service... So in SOME cases, the industry would actually be screwing their servers out of potentially MORE money but doing this...
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I don't have any issue with how much money a server makes, IF they earn it. The whole concept of standardizing and automatically adding a tip as a service charge just makes me because then what motivation is there for a server to do their job well? NONE. So essentially the cost of eating out will go up, service will go down, and then what?

I've never waited tables, because I KNOW I don't have the patience for it, and I'd be the bitchy waitress "accidentally" pouring a pot of coffee in your lap if you pissed me off... so I have much respect for people who can do it, and do it well.... it takes a certain personality type, and therefore I tip really well when I get good service... So in SOME cases, the industry would actually be screwing their servers out of potentially MORE money but doing this...
If I think the service is real good, I tip more than 20%. If its bad I tip less than 10%. Let me decide what to tip. Not the resteraunt.
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My wife use to be a waitress so do feel for the job...

But if you make a required % doesn't that take away from the "push" to do good?




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If I think the service is real good, I tip more than 20%. If its bad I tip less than 10%. Let me decide what to tip. Not the resteraunt.





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If I think the service is real good, I tip more than 20%. If its bad I tip less than 10%. Let me decide what to tip. Not the resteraunt.
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I would say no, not, nill to the set 20% service charge to every check thing...

It has a negative effect on 2 side.. one the piss poor server will say "you got to pay me anyway so why should I give you excellent service" and two it allows the Piss poor tipper an excuse not to exceed the minimum tip for expert & Excellent servers that go out of their way to make your evening an experience to remember....

I have seen both side of this and it's not worth it.... on either side....
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I feel sorry for the waitors and waitresses that do a really good job and get jipped by some cheapskate. On the otherhand if you set a standard 20% tip rate someone could conceivably be bad at their job and make as much as someone who was an outstanding server. Doesn't make much sense.
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Ok, haven't read the other posts yet, but here's my opinion. Tips should be received based on performance. They should NOT be mandatory. In my eyes, every waiter or waitress starts off with a 20% tip and it is adjusted from there. More for exceptional service, less for substandard service. And I have left little to no tip (1 penny so they KNOW I didn't "forget" to tip) before if the person deserved it. That's just my personal way of tipping.
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I think it's the way the whole thing is set up. Everybody knows that a waitress makes nothing for a wage and counts on tips, which forces you to tip them even if you feel like they sucked. Sh#t, even they're tips get taxed which is bullsh#t, THERE TIPS!!

Pay the bitch minimum wage ($6.50 or whatever it is now) and if she does a good job, she get's a tip. I'm usually a good tipper, too, but it sucks to feel like you have to tip someone even if they suck and your visit wasn't good.

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I think you guys are hitting this right on the head. It will abosolutely! be a 'way out' for shotty servers. They will get their loot in the end no matter how bad they are. And the good servers get shanked.

I will give out 'hansome' tips for great service. And less for bad service. I always leave something tho.

My wife and I eat at the bar of a local Applebee's. We've been going there for years. They know us and they take care of us pretty well. They gave us excellent service from the beginning so we've always tipped them very well. The extra tipping led to continued great service and they started to remember us. That led to even better service and great tipping. Now they throw some free stuff at us. Drinks, dessert, etc.



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TIPS = To Insure Proper Service

What else needs to be said??
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TIPS = To Insure Proper Service

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TIPS = To Insure Proper Service

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well, on the flip side it would keep me from having to figure out the proper tip amount. my math skills are less than to be desired, so i am sure i am a poor tipper.

they should just do away with tips and pay everyone a flat rate. it's a silly concept. you should want to do your best, after all. raises should be the indication of a job well done, not tips.
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they should just do away with tips and pay everyone a flat rate. it's a silly concept. you should want to do your best, after all. raises should be the indication of a job well done, not tips.
I disagree, to a point. YES, you should do a good job, because you take pride in your work and it's your job to do so.

BUT, much like commission is motivation for people in sales to go ABOVE AND BEYOND the call of duty, so tips should motivate in the same manner.
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well, on the flip side it would keep me from having to figure out the proper tip amount. my math skills are less than to be desired, so i am sure i am a poor tipper.
I always find ten percent of the total (move the decimal over in your head one figure to the left) and then double it an dthen I usually just round up to the nearest dollar. If they did a good job, I round it a little more (like a couple dollars).

Ex.
Bill is $34.57
10% is 3.46
doubled is about $7 (20%, pretty standard)

Total is $42 (rounded up .43)

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I disagree, to a point. YES, you should do a good job, because you take pride in your work and it's your job to do so.

BUT, much like commission is motivation for people in sales to go ABOVE AND BEYOND the call of duty, so tips should motivate in the same manner.
I don't know about that one. It might motivate them to try and sell you that thing your thinking about buying, but I wouldn't say ABOVE AND BEYOND. Car dealers are some of the shadiest M'FCKERS around IMO. Best Buy employees always bug the sh#t out of me, too.

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we should either tip everyone or no one. i tip my stylist and i tip waitresses, but why shouldn't i tip the bank teller or the bagger at the grocery store? they all provide services.

i work for my mom on the weekend at her business at the local farmers market. she has a sub shop. i am on the front counter (take and fill orders/cashier). no one tips me. should i sit my cup out?
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