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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-17-2006, 03:42 PM Thread Starter
 
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Using celebrity to further an agenda....

As I’m getting ready this morning, I caught a vid by Green Day w/U2… it was a combination anti-war/Katrina aid song/video…. Actually, pretty good song, and the video was an interesting concept, the idea being, what if we pulled troops out of Iraq and instead put that effort/utilized them for aiding Hurricane Katrina victims. The whole video was done as a “Breaking News” segment on CNN and the like. Again, I found it interesting, and the song was catchy enough to hold my interest for the duration of the video.

So my question is this… how do you feel about celebs (rock stars, actors, etc…) using their fame to further an agenda, be it political or otherwise? Do you think it’s a good thing, or do you think “he’s a rock star/actor…. What does he know about (insert subject matter here)?”

Do you allow a celebs political views to affect your opinion of their talent if their views differ from your own (i.e. many people dislike Sean Penn for his often out-spoken views), or can you separate their politics from their work as an entertainer?
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post #2 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-17-2006, 03:55 PM
 
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I hate it when a Clooney/Pitt/Madonna/Streisand starts to make statments that they really are not qualified to make! Granted they are entitled to their opinion but to sermonize it and try and ram it down our throats when we are just looking for entertainment value is BS
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As I’m getting ready this morning, I caught a vid by Green Day w/U2… it was a combination anti-war/Katrina aid song/video…. Actually, pretty good song, and the video was an interesting concept, the idea being, what if we pulled troops out of Iraq and instead put that effort/utilized them for aiding Hurricane Katrina victims. The whole video was done as a “Breaking News” segment on CNN and the like. Again, I found it interesting, and the song was catchy enough to hold my interest for the duration of the video.

So my question is this… how do you feel about celebs (rock stars, actors, etc…) using their fame to further an agenda, be it political or otherwise? Do you think it’s a good thing, or do you think “he’s a rock star/actor…. What does he know about (insert subject matter here)?”

Do you allow a celebs political views to affect your opinion of their talent if their views differ from your own (i.e. many people dislike Sean Penn for his often out-spoken views), or can you separate their politics from their work as an entertainer?
I could care less what celebs do... to me the majority of them are a joke anyway... DANCE PUPPET DANCE!!!

That being said, I take what they say with a grain of salt, but many folks (especially in the 12-25 range) are easily influenced and led by an attitude that invidualism is the coolest thing ever... Unless of course you are different.

I am an extremely critical person... I generally don't make many rash judgements without first taking the time to research the facts and make my own decisions... I am not easily swayed. Unfortunately there are a lot of people of voting age that do not hold the same sort of regard for personal enlightenment as I do... They listen to people who they think are cool.

What is equally disconcerning about our society is that intelligence is often not viewed as impressive. Houston... We have a problem.

So now we have a situation where some pop icon who is so out of touch with the views, morals, and experience of a normal person is influencing young Americans. They are planting seeds of fantasy and uneductated conjecture into people who are just looking for ways to express themselves...

Bottom line... I could care less what Green Day thinks... And I surely could give a rat's behind about what U2 (A BRIT BAND!!!) thinks... I do think that it's dangerous to our society that with so many impressionable eyes on these people that there is generally not an opposing viewpoint...
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onesick.... you stole most of my rant.

The classic celebrity "speaking out". Like all humans, theyre all entitled to an opinion, but with me, their opinion holds no more importance to me than the bum on the street, or the lawyer in the court. Just another opinion in the fog of opinions. Why would i want to hear yours any more than anyone elses... I DONT.

they intentionally and purposefully entered my concious through entertainment and thats how i will take them... as singing dancing monkeys for my entertainment. No more than that.

What i love about Green Days idea of pulling troops out and having them aid the KAtrina displaced, is the mentality of "HEY the government will do it for us. Where are they? We want more." Supporting the idea that nobody is supposed to do for themselves. Wait for others. I guess he wants soldiers to go job hunting for people, grocery shopping for people, changing their adult diapers because they crap themselves without the gov's help. All while green day positions themselvesthey as big government opposed. what gives? Way to create hypocrits amongst the ranks of your fans, saying to expect/ rely on handouts and then shun the one doing the handing.

And my final pick... celebrity raising awareness, and celebrity fund raisers. If youre on TV telling me you want to spend my money on your cause... then youre probably rich enough to spend your own money on your own cause and do just fine. you dont need ours. And those free concerts benefiting this and that... im sure your time is tax deductable so dont make yourself such a martyr. Plus youre on TV- AGAIN.
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it's great that celebrities are using their names to promote social awareness.
it's also very entertaining. especially Sally Struthers, asking for donation to feed philipino kids who are shoeless. if you look closely, the background is a lush jungle with fruits and wildlife being abundant. about the shoes, kid's don't wear them there. I would know, i never wore one when I grew up there.

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Think about it. Celebrities endorse products all the time and people buy simply for that reason. Since there are people that will buy anything endorsed by a celebrity, there are people that will support any cause that same celebrity supports. Ridiculous, in my opinion.

However, Green Day needs to examine their ideas in full prior to throwing them around.

As far as the comment about people in Katrina waiting on the gov't to help them, what else do you expect? The gov't has set a standard for disaster relief. However, our society has become lazy and helpless. We use to all build our own houses (with help from neighbors/friends) and we use to work our azzes off. Nobody has any skills anymore and they rely on others to do everything for them.
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I could care less what celebs do... to me the majority of them are a joke anyway... DANCE PUPPET DANCE!!!

That being said, I take what they say with a grain of salt, but many folks (especially in the 12-25 range) are easily influenced and led by an attitude that invidualism is the coolest thing ever... Unless of course you are different.

I am an extremely critical person... I generally don't make many rash judgements without first taking the time to research the facts and make my own decisions... I am not easily swayed. Unfortunately there are a lot of people of voting age that do not hold the same sort of regard for personal enlightenment as I do... They listen to people who they think are cool.

What is equally disconcerning about our society is that intelligence is often not viewed as impressive. Houston... We have a problem.

So now we have a situation where some pop icon who is so out of touch with the views, morals, and experience of a normal person is influencing young Americans. They are planting seeds of fantasy and uneductated conjecture into people who are just looking for ways to express themselves...

Bottom line... I could care less what Green Day thinks... And I surely could give a rat's behind about what U2 (A BRIT BAND!!!) thinks... I do think that it's dangerous to our society that with so many impressionable eyes on these people that there is generally not an opposing viewpoint...
Friggin' A+ brilliant post.
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whats the point of having power (whether it be fame, money, good looks, whatever) and not using it?

If I had power like U2 i'd be bringing back the chicken ceaser burrito at taco bell right now.
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whats the point of having power (whether it be fame, money, good looks, whatever) and not using it?
But I guess that's part of the question -- is it right that "entertainers" HAVE that level of power? And if so, what makes them qualified to wield it in that manner? (in terms of politics, not Taco Bell )
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But I guess that's part of the question -- is it right that "entertainers" HAVE that level of power? And if so, what makes them qualified to wield it in that manner? (in terms of politics, not Taco Bell )
That's my point, as well. What, precisely, makes them qualified, in both politics AND product endorsement. Just because they choose to use/endorse something (many have never even used the products), why should we be compelled to believe them? Because they're rich? Because they're famous? BFD, on both counts.
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well thats a question wrapped in an enigma.

Whom has any position to determine what is right and what is wrong in the true sense of the words?

By a pysical standpoint, the only way of determining right and wrong is by looking at the animal kingdom and how life has fourished. If you consider the organisims that are thriving and still living, you may see them as being "right". Yet at the same time those organism prey on other organism that are weaker and smaller, and they use up every availiable resource in order to further thier own survival.

By a spiritual standpoint, right is usually associated with being selfless and pious; putting others before yourself, treating the world as it were the cradle of life, a fragile ever changing environment.

Those two views of "right" are complete opposites, yet there are just as many people that view each one as his or her core belief.



Power is not just given to people out of some paper bag they find under a rock in the park, its typically earned.

Luckily the type of people that would listen to U2 or Green day are not the type of people that would actually stand up and say "hey we aught to go do something about this". they are usually the type of people that assume "there are probobly other people out there taking care of that, so i might as well sit here and wait for the chicken ceasar burrito to get back on the menu at taco bell".
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Power is not just given to people out of some paper bag they find under a rock in the park, its typically earned.
In an ideal world, this would be true... but in the real world, it simply isn't.
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well in my opinion having power over thousands of "sheep" that dont have the ability to think for themselves is not worth having influence or respect from one great mind.
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In an ideal world, this would be true... but in the real world, it simply isn't.

I live in an ideal world, i dont give or expect anything from or for anyone unearned. It has to be paid for with character.
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I live in an ideal world, i dont give or expect anything from or for anyone unearned. It has to be paid for with character.
I completely agree with you, however, that's just not how it works for the world at large (if it did, we wouldn't be engaged in this debate, as unqualified celebrities wouldn't possess the influence/power that they do)
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I completely agree with you, however, that's just not how it works for the world at large (if it did, we wouldn't be engaged in this debate, as unqualified celebrities wouldn't possess the influence/power that they do)
the world at large i agree... but they have nothing more over peoples minds than what is willingly given. People just like to give it for nothing.
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the world at large i agree... but they have nothing more over peoples minds than what is willingly given. People just like to give it for nothing.
Oh I absolutely agree with ya there...
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Not too much I can throw in that hasn't been said already. Teens are easily impressionable. The only people they should be listening to because they think they are cool are their good friends. The way I view it is like a high school type situation. Fupid stucks will kiss the celebrities feet because they're good actors, singers or whatever. They don't know those fu*ks. But at the same time, I could care less. Let the dumb people get owned. As long as their having a good time. Hopefully they'll see the light one day. Some celebs seem sincere to me. I bet 99% of them do the sh*t because they're PR people tell them they should. I'm not hating on celebs. I refer to them to entertain my ass at times.

On a side note. Green Day sucks my ass. Their old sh*t was good though.
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