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View Poll Results: Mods... what are they to you?
All mods are just wastes of money! 0 0%
All Cosmetic mods are just for Pose'n... Performance is the only way to go 7 26.92%
Cosmetic or Performance... the more the merrier 16 61.54%
Bikes are for show... want performance go to the track 0 0%
other (explain) 3 11.54%
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post #1 of 48 (permalink) Old 03-09-2007, 10:15 PM Thread Starter
 
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Mods... useless?

I'm a member of several diffrent forums (none I frequent as much as TWF) and I've seen this exact post in some form or another in every one... be it about bikes, trucks, or cars...

this one just happens to be about sportbikes...

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Some people really need to re-evaluate & prioritize what they spend money on. "Go fast" goodies are nothing but a bottomless pit. You spend X amount of dollars for a slip-on or full system, Y amount on a jet kit, Z amount on 520 chain conversions & aluminum sprockets, for what? A total of maybe 3 to 6 hp? Sure, maybe you'll feel the difference the first few times you go riding, but HP gains are only felt for so long.

Anyway, my post isn't to put-down or insult people who spend money on their bikes, but to awaken them to the backwards order in which some people spend it. The streets are far more dangerous than the track, yet I see alot of people riding around "naked" & doing silly **** they have no business doing in the first place. Spend money the important stuff first, like personal protection and rider education. NOTHING in motorcycling pays off more in the long run than proper training, which is FOREVER a continual process. You can NEVER learn enough.

"Speed is nothing if you don't know what to do with it". Anyone can twist the throttle & go fast in a straight line, but the ones that survive are the ones that can turn and brake as well. Try going to a track day, or if you haven't already done so yet, at the very least look into MSF courses. The progress you'll make & the experience you'll gain is worth FAR more than 3, 5, 10, hell even 50hp at the ground. A 100% stock super sport is capable of FAR more than almost all of the riders that are riding them, there's no need to hop it up even more.

So do yourself and everyone else that pays insurance companies for our privilege of owning a sportbike a favor & spend money on what really counts first..... YOU. Your bike will thank you the next time you carve it through the twisties or swerve around the blind driver that just pulled out in front of you.

Thank you for your time.

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Like I said... I've seen it about everything... usually its about the Cosmetic mods... not performance... but the same general idea...

so what's your guy's take on the subject? I've got my own opinion... but I'll hold that... (don't wanna influence anyone )
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post #2 of 48 (permalink) Old 03-09-2007, 10:21 PM
 
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I would agree that someone would get far more from a course than from a speed mod. But I also don't see a slip-on exhaust as a hp boosting mod. To me, the slip on is about sound. I hate the quiet sound of stock pipes. All the other stuff the poster is talking about, I certainly understand. First and foremost is gear and basic knowledge. I've always said, "If you can't afford to buy the gear when you buy the bike, then you don't need to buy the bike."
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I agree to a certain extent that people usually turn to mods when they don't need to. I used to autocross quite a bit and I found that quite a few people used to like to mod the hell out of there rides and I would get faster times in my stock car. especially when it comes to bikes mods aren't going to help you go faster if you haven't reached the level of skill to fully utilize the potential of your vehicle. The major failing of the above post is that mods are fun regardless of whether or not they actually make you faster.
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what would you put, for example, a better windscreen under? is that cosmetic?
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what would you put, for example, a better windscreen under? is that cosmetic?
depends... does it do anything? anything other than the stock shape is performance.... if it's just to change color... cosmetic..
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post #6 of 48 (permalink) Old 03-09-2007, 10:34 PM
 
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I don't think cosmetic mods are for posers, but I also think there's a limit. But, to each his own, as well. I definitely think bikes (and cars) should look good, but if I was forced to choose between appearance and performance, I'd take the ugliest vehicle in the world if it had the best performance in the world.
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I don't think cosmetic mods are for posers, but I also think there's a limit. But, to each his own, as well. I definitely think bikes (and cars) should look good, but if I was forced to choose between appearance and performance, I'd take the ugliest vehicle in the world if it had the best performance in the world.


though I like a balance.... I'd want something that looked good (in my opinion) but had good performance over something at either drastic end of the table...(all performance no looks/no performance all looks)
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I think a rider is like a driver in the sence that what they drive is an extension of who they are. People want to look good on a night on the town, and also when they cruise the town. Same thing for riders (cosmetic). Also, a custom bike is more likely to be seen by that reckless driver.

As for performance, I don't know a single person that de-tunes a vehicle. Car or bike to be "safer." If anything I want more power to remove myself from a dangerous situation.

As for exhaust with Captain and firmly believe
"LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES"

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depends... does it do anything? anything other than the stock shape is performance.... if it's just to change color... cosmetic..
ahh so performance also covers functional mods. only performance mods for me.
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ahh so performance also covers functional mods. only performance mods for me.
yeah I guess I should have phrased it as Functional not Performance...
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mods like marko or rae i could do without, they make the fun stuff boring very quickly... gman too.

Now jeeps, hes not around enough when i'm on to completely violate my non-existant rights! hell i've only got 1 out of 4 infractions from him!







oh i hope to get a new, ummmm, co1 emitter soon. do they make those in red?

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mods like marko or rae i could do without, they make the fun stuff boring very quickly... gman too.

Now jeeps, hes not around enough when i'm on to completely violate my non-existant rights! hell i've only got 1 out of 4 infractions from him!





oh i hope to get a new, ummmm, co1 emitter soon. do they make those in red?

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I agree with the quoted poster to an extent. Your first "mods" should be quality gear. And I'd say he's mostly right about needing the performance mods too. We dont need them. Not for the street...and 90% of us dont need them for the track either. But motorcycles are our hobby. And this is America...where we are free to spend our loot as we choose.

As far as performance vs. cosmetic. I think they both serve a purpose. I've got a mirrored screen on mine. Looks much better than clear stock...but it doesn't do jack for performance. I'm more about performance than cosmetice...but you gotta make your ride look good. Nevermind that mine is PINK...



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I think a rider is like a driver in the sence that what they drive is an extension of who they are. People want to look good on a night on the town, and also when they cruise the town. Same thing for riders (cosmetic). Also, a custom bike is more likely to be seen by that reckless driver.

As for performance, I don't know a single person that de-tunes a vehicle. Car or bike to be "safer." If anything I want more power to remove myself from a dangerous situation.

As for exhaust with Captain and firmly believe
"LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES"

I like my performence and cosmetic mods. Both serve a purpose. Making me happy! And I don't care if anybody else likes it although it is nice to hear.

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mods like marko or rae i could do without, they make the fun stuff boring very quickly... gman too.

Now jeeps, hes not around enough when i'm on to completely violate my non-existant rights! hell i've only got 1 out of 4 infractions from him!







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depends... does it do anything? anything other than the stock shape is performance.... if it's just to change color... cosmetic..
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I cant think of anything that would be a cosmetic mod besides coloring stuff, ex chrome..... Changeing any part with aftermarket is a performance part being it lighter or stronger.

Get the basics first, gear first, "cosmetic" parts second performance parts last imo.


I dont think pig spotters flush mounts and db black windscreen are considered cosmetics tho, performance is judged by more than just power you know, which no one brought up. How about carbon fiber wheels that weight 2lbs (two pounds)?


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Well actually if you want to get into power and not just the hp at the wheel.. then you should talk hp to weight ratio. Then the best mod alot of times is putting the rider on a diet. Cause we be fat americans!

Further, something like the carbon fiber wheels and/or 520 conversions are actually lowering the rotational mass of those pieces. Therefor actually increasing the rwhp due to less drivetrain loss.




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ha its all in good fun, i love you guys.(not in that way though. cept for rae)
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i am all about cosmetic mods for my bike. i like it to look good. i am not worried about being a fast rider...i just wanna be a good rider. my bike has plenty of performance that i'll probably never use, but it didn't have butterfly heel guards or flame seats. those are the little touches that reflect my personality.
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