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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 11-23-2004, 06:47 AM Thread Starter
 
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OKay so....I get up this morning and find THIS on Yahoo! And if you're a mother or father this will either piss you off or make you cry...I did both for me!!

Baby Dies After Arms Are Severed

By LISA FALKENBERG, Associated Press Writer

PLANO, Texas - With a calm and dispassionate voice and a hymn playing in the background, Dena Schlosser confessed to the unthinkable, telling a 911 operator she'd cut off the arms of her baby girl.



The woman was sitting in her living room covered with blood when police arrived Monday. Her nearly 11-month-old daughter lay fatally injured in a crib in a bedroom of the family's apartment in Plano. The child died shortly afterward at a nearby hospital.


Police have charged the 35-year-old mother with capital murder, but declined to reveal where she is being held.


Schlosser, who had a history of postpartum depression, had been investigated on child neglect allegations earlier this year, but Texas Child Protective Services had recently closed a seven-month investigation, concluding that Schlosser did not pose a risk to her children. Neighbors said she seemed to be a loving, attentive mother.


"There were never any indications of violence with this family," agency spokeswoman Marissa Gonzales said. "The children had always been healthy, happy and cared for."


But, on Monday, authorities discovered a grisly scene at the family's apartment after the child's father called a day-care center, and asked them to check on his wife and daughter.


Day-care workers called 911 after talking to the mother; an operator then called Schlosser.


Asked if there was an emergency, Schlosser calmly responded "Yes," according to 911 tapes released by police.


"Exactly what happened?" the 911 operator asked.


"I cut her arms off," Schlosser replied, as the hymn "He Touched Me" played in the background.


"You cut her arms off?" he repeated.


"Uh huh," she answered.


It was not immediately clear what instrument was used to sever the baby's arms or why the child's father called a day-care center to check on his family.


Schlosser lived at the apartment with other family members, including her two older daughters. Authorities said the girls, ages 6 and 9, were at school when police arrived, and that their father was at work.


No one answered the door Monday night at the family's apartment in suburban Dallas. Children's bicycles rested near the entrance along with angel garden statues.


Neighbors said Schlosser took her children swimming in the summer, had picnics in the courtyard and walked her baby around the complex the same time each afternoon.


Dena Livingston, 43, said she saw Schlosser making her rounds with the stroller on Sunday. Two days earlier, she saw Schlosser waiting with the baby outside the elementary school where her two other daughters attend.





"She didn't give off like she was in a distant world or didn't care about the baby," Livingston said.

Livingston's husband, Brad, added: "To see her with the girls, you would just think she was a great mother."

Child-protective officials were interviewing Schlosser's daughters and would talk to the father before deciding whether to remove the girls from the home.

In January, the agency was called to the home after Schlosser was seen running down the street, with one of her daughters bicycling after her, authorities said. When officials arrived, the child told them her mother had left her 6-day-old sister alone in the apartment.

Schlosser appeared at the time to be suffering from postpartum depression and having a psychotic episode, Gonzales said.

Schlosser was hospitalized, and later agreed to seek counseling and saw a psychiatrist, Gonzales said.

"At the time we closed the case, we had been assured that Mom was stabilized and that she was not a risk to herself or her children," Geoff Wool, spokesman for the Family and Protective Services Department, said.
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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 11-23-2004, 07:04 AM
 
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I couldn't get past the first paragraph. That's more than enough for me.

We're a "moral" society, aren't we?
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OMG..... I wanna destroy this wench! SO many thoughts are going through my head right now. What the heck could that poor sweet innocent little baby do to deserve that, I am so sick of hearing about these mothers doing this. This is a sick sick world. I love my babies with all my heart and can't imagine anything ever happening to them.
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post #5 of 20 (permalink) Old 11-23-2004, 09:35 AM
 
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This is very sad to read about and hear about in so many other places as well. I can not see how someone can do this to their child. I am with Carrie on this and the wench needs taken care of and probley will be in jail.
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post #6 of 20 (permalink) Old 11-23-2004, 09:46 AM
 
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thats about as sick as you can get ...these people should be allowed to bear children in the first place...
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That is so sad
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Yeah real sad

I guess I'm glad it was Texas though... they will do what is right... they will put her to death.

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These people should be dragged out to a public square and beatin with rocks, stones, 4x4s and anything else that will cause great pain!!!




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I'm glad I'm not on an EMS/EMT team anymore. To see a victim of a car accident is one thing, but to see a child in such a state...God I don't even want to think about it. Had to quit because I couldn't stomcah it. And I KNOW I couldn't stomach being on this call.
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I know there are times I love my little ones so much I would like to hug their necks until their little heads twist off But I could never understand how someone could hurt something so helpless and fragile. As parents, we all go through cycles where our little devil child tries our patience. But to take some household instrument and sever a limb????
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I know there are times I love my little ones so much I would like to hug their necks until their little heads twist off But I could never understand how someone could hurt something so helpless and fragile. As parents, we all go through cycles where our little devil child tries our patience. But to take some household instrument and sever a limb????
Yeah that's just F*ed up. I know post-partum can hit a woman hard. I've been through it. I was depressed and cried a lot, but I never ONCE, thought about doing something so heinous and disgusting. My kids are my WORLD.

But from the way the article read, I'm sure this biotch is going to plead insanity, and tell the jury that the devil made her do it. Or that God came down and told her she must make a sacrifice.
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These people should be dragged out to a public square and beatin with rocks, stones, 4x4s and anything else that will cause great pain!!!

overseas thats how they handle it...thats one area the US could take a lesson from ...

how can people actually rationalize doing this kinda ***** to another human being, a child no less..
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overseas thats how they handle it...thats one area the US could take a lesson from ...

how can people actually rationalize doing this kinda ***** to another human being, a child no less..
Because they're sick, mentally ill. It's like a Jeckyl and Hyde thing. they can be loving and the best person in the world one minute, and then the next a murderous insane person.
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Because they're sick, mentally ill. It's like a Jeckyl and Hyde thing. they can be loving and the best person in the world one minute, and then the next a murderous insane person.

same things as driving ur car off into a lake with your kids in it..wasnt that a florida women that was in the news a few years ago for that.....then u actually try and rationalize urself to boot!!..
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same things as driving ur car off into a lake with your kids in it..wasnt that a florida women that was in the news a few years ago for that.....then u actually try and rationalize urself to boot!!..
Sorry, we have enough Wackos here but don't give us credit for those from the Carolinas
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Sorry, we have enough Wackos here but don't give us credit for those from the Carolinas

oh, that was carolina..my bad ..i just remembered that story for some reason after reading about the crack head in this thread..
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oh, that was carolina..my bad ..i just remembered that story for some reason after reading about the crack head in this thread..

I remember that same story as well. You remember that story because it was every where in the paper here when it hapened for the longest time. Damn ppl.
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Here is an UPDATE....

DALLAS (AP) -- When a mother admitted killing her baby daughter by severing the child's arms this week, she joined a high-profile list of Texas women with histories of mental illness who have killed their children in gruesome fashion.

The state has had at least four similar cases in recent years. Andrea Yates drowned her five children in the family's Houston bathtub in 2001. (Full story)

Deanna Laney bashed her three sons' skulls with rocks last year, killing two and maiming a toddler. She said God told her to do it. (Full story)

A mother from suburban Dallas drowned her daughters last fall, and a woman in Brownsville is accused of helping her common-law husband behead her three children.

In all the cases, the women had some sort of mental illness in their past.

The killings have been brutal, but legal and psychiatric experts say such cases are no more common here than in other states.

They note that several factors have caused Texas to get more attention on the issue, including intense media coverage following the Yates case that may have created an illusion that Texas has more mothers killing children.

"Texas seems to be a lightning rod," said George Parnham, the Houston attorney who defended Yates. "I don't necessarily go with the idea that we're wackos down here."

Dena Schlosser, 35, was charged with capital murder Monday after calmly telling a 911 operator that she had cut off the arms of 11-month-old Margaret. Police found Schlosser sitting in her living room, covered in blood, a church hymn playing in the background.

Schlosser's husband, John, told an official with Texas' Family and Protective Services that his wife had referenced a Bible scripture the night before the killing and said she wanted to "give her children to God," according to an affidavit that led a judge to award the agency temporary custody of the couple's two older children.

Schlosser had a history of postpartum depression, a disorder that can occur in women after they give birth.

Her mental history and her 911 confession are similar to Yates. And the method Schlosser used shared the bizarre, brutal nature of Laney's rocks and Yates' systematic drowning.

"To actually sever the arms suggests something special was going on," said psychiatrist Phillip Resnick, who testified in the trials of Laney and Yates. "It suggests on its face that there was some specialized psychotic thinking, but you just don't know."

Yates, who had a history of schizophrenia and postpartum depression and said the devil prompted her to kill her children, was convicted of capital murder and is serving a life sentence. Laney was acquitted of capital murder by reason of insanity after psychiatrists agreed psychotic delusions kept her from knowing right from wrong.

Authorities discovered a grisly scene at the Schlossers' apartment.

An officer had to remove a knife from Schlosser's hand, according to a search warrant affidavit released Tuesday. The baby was found in her crib, both arms severed at the shoulder, and died at a hospital a short time later.

Authorities said the two older daughters in the family, ages 6 and 9, were at school when police arrived, and that their father was at work.

Schlosser had been investigated on child-neglect allegations this year, but Texas Child Protective Services had recently closed a seven-month investigation, concluding that Schlosser did not pose a risk to her children.

The Schlosser case will certainly add to the media attention on the issue. But DePaul University law professor Michelle Oberman, who has written extensively on mothers who kill their children, said Texas may be bringing some of the attention on itself with the way it prosecutes such cases.

"It gears up the criminal justice system for a death penalty prosecution, rather than approaching the cases as instances of profound mental illness," Oberman said.

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This is just sick. I dont know whether to or to This is just horrible. I don't see how anyone could do such a thing to their kids. I mean, yeah, Jesse makes me mad enough to scream, but I could never ever hurt my baby. I don't care if she's insane or not, she needs to die the same way her baby girl did.
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