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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 06-25-2007, 10:40 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hypotheticals(a 25 part series)

I'm reading a book by Chuck Klosterman. He's a witty guy: but a senseless, nonsensical kind of wit. he talks mainly about pop culture topics and somehow ends up relating the most asinine subject matter to some of the most relevant topics, such as pornography and the internet, the Celtics and Lakers rivalry in the eighties and how it applies to everyday life, how "The real world" shaped modern culture, etc. Good read, broadens the horizons i guess. mostly a book that is serious but also seriously funny.


anyways, on page 126 of "sex drugs and cocoa puffs: a low culture manifesto" he suggests that there are twenty three things he routinely asks people he meets and judges their personality on their answers.

They are not yes or no questions, they are hypothetical questions. many of which i've found myself asking myself in certain instances, which amused and aroused my interest. I rarely like to bring any intelectual conversation to the interweb because i fear that much of what we write is lost in the translation from my fingers to your brain, yet I'm sure we'll still get some giggles out of it.
I'll post one hypothetical a day for the next 25 days.

There are no wrong answers, the only rule is you must answer with consideration, and give reason as to why you chose your answer. You can choose your answer out of guilt, morality, or just to try to get a laugh, the beauty of it is no matter how you answer you are fundimentally telling everybody something about your psyche (even if that is not really your intention).

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Let us assume you met a rudimentary magician. Let us assume he can do five simple tricks -- he can pull a rabbit out of his hat, he can make a coin disappear, he can turn the ace of spades into the Joker card, and two others in a similar vein. These are his only tricks and he can't learn any more; he can only do these five. HOWEVER, it turns out he's doing these five tricks with real magic. Its not an illusion; he can actually conjure the bunny out of the ether and he can move the coin through space. He's legitimately magical, but extremely limited in scope and influence.Would this person be more impressive than Albert Einstein?
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Id have to say that in his own way the magician is very impressive for being able to do that, but the things that Albert Einstein found by using his mind are far more impressive in my mind. Plus the things that Einstein found led to explanations and other discoveries where as the magician's abilities dont seem to benefit other people quite as much.

ANd NTS, definitely a cool idea to post these, this should get pretty entertaining.
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My answer; Yes he would be more impressive. "real" magic has yet to be seen.
Been thinking about picking up one of his books, he writes some damned interesting stuff in Esquire.
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No, He might be more impressive for a short amount of time, but then, like an Idol contestant, he'd just disappear into the background noise.

Having a gift means nothing unless you use it. Einstein is impressive because he used his massive intellect to formulate theories that are still incomprehensible to most people several decades later, not to mention challenging for most up-and-coming scientists.

Magicians impress children with magic, they impress adults with talent. Grown-ups are in awe of the guy who pulls a rabbit out of his hat, because they're aware that there IS no magic, and so the magician is creating an illusion. Once the audience figures out how the magician does it, there's no trick any more, and that includes figuring out that this guy actually does conjure them out of thin air.

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The magician is impressive in his own area, yes. The magician's talent is limited, yet intriguing and mainly for entertainment purposes only.

Einstein was also extremely impressive in his own field. His knowledge and studies benefit humanity in many ways. Some people are impressed by knowledge and some by entertainment, me personally..i would have to go with Einstein.
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No, He might be more impressive for a short amount of time, but then, like an Idol contestant, he'd just disappear into the background noise.

Having a gift means nothing unless you use it. Einstein is impressive because he used his massive intellect to formulate theories that are still incomprehensible to most people several decades later, not to mention challenging for most up-and-coming scientists.

Magicians impress children with magic, they impress adults with talent. Grown-ups are in awe of the guy who pulls a rabbit out of his hat, because they're aware that there IS no magic, and so the magician is creating an illusion. Once the audience figures out how the magician does it, there's no trick any more, and that includes figuring out that this guy actually does conjure them out of thin air.

Cool thread. reps to come
I was in the process of typing something very similar to this (obviously I'm going to side with Al, I'm a nerd ) but chuckademus has pretty much said it all, I wouldn't have said it better myself.
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I think the magician is more impressive. Einstein was one of the greatest minds of all times, but he could not make the impossible possible.
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Going on a couple of assumptions here about the magician. #1 It was something he was either born with or acquired by a fluke of nature. #2 He can not teach, nor pass on this "power" and there for it will never grow beyond these five tricks.

The works of Albert Einstein has benefited all humanity and will continue to do so.

So unless this magician had some really shiny pants and some cool dance moves to go with his magic, he is nothing more than a neat freak of nature. And honestly, I don't think I would ever really come to the point of not thinking "Ok, whats the trick?"
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@ shiney pants and dance moves...
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I think impressive is the key word in this situation. I think the thing with the musician is is that yeah, you can do something that has never been thought to be possible, totally create stuff out of nothing and yes that is impressive to say the least, but look at what youre doing. Useless sh*t. Albert Einstein worked his whole life to accomplish many feats and is just sheer genius and has done things that massively effected the world.

Albert Einstein is more impressive
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it depends,

YES but only IF he is able to teach and show how he does his tricks. otherwise he'll faid off into the past and become lost in stories.

NO if he can't show/teach it because of the fact that what AE did allowed man to leapfrog ahead in technology.
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What is your take on it NtS?
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the answer is no...
it's not what you can do, but what you do with it.
Einstein used his knowledge for advancement of our species. the magician hasn't shown any motivation to use his skillz to rewl the world.

if i had that magic, i'd be owning a fortune 100 company and divorced many times with offsprings of different nationalities. i can even start my own religion.

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More entertaining? Possibly.

But actually more impressive? NO.

Now, if he could not only do the tricks, but explain to me the forces at work (and not just expliain it as magic... I mean give actual scientific data to back it up), then maybe... but just doing the tricks? Nope. Magic exists, it's nothing new.
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The bunny rabbit would be impressive in sub culture ablwe to travel through time and space to appear in a mans hand , meaning its an alien bunjny from some far off galaxy. coming totake the worlds carrot supply.
Sorry i have a broad and vivid imagination. :P
rep i like this thread good idea.
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I would say the magician is more impressive. With his very limited scope of tricks, he just took everything Einstein knew and made it worthless. The field of physics would have to be completely rewritten to account for the magicians abilities.

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What is your take on it NtS?
I'll let ya guys know when i get a moment.

I'll post the second question up hopefully tonight. they get much better (and funnier)
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heres my answer to hypothetical number one. it is continued on the first page of hypothetical number two
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Depends on what you are impressed by?
Einstein was a genius in his own right, with what his mind came up with.
This magician has a cool talent, yes, but not truely creating anything new.

I still go with old Al.

Edit: NOW IF he could make a coin APPEAR out of thin air, he'd be my new best friend. And I would make him show me the trick over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over

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techincally, he is creating something new. like i said in my new post he's creating matter out of nothing. physically impossible.

he's comparable to jesus.

long story short he is doing somethign that defies science. not something science just cant prove, he is DEFYING the laws of science. not explaining them.

to me that is almost god like, no matter what degree he is doing it.
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