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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-27-2007, 04:27 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hypothetical(part duex)

i may not be on target with doing one per day but it'll roughly be done in a month anyways. somebody asked that i give my opinion on the previous subject, and it it this.

Of course the magician is more amazing. To honestly be able to conjure matter out of nothingness goes along the same lines as being able to raise Lazarus from the dead or turn water to wine. These truely unexplainable things far outweigh any sort of "theory" that any certain individual has, regardless of his achievements and credit. simply put, magic triumphs over science, which explains how religion has (and will) persevere.

(if you must, please respond to my answer to the question in the thread hypothetical number one)

*note* that none of MY answers have drawn any influence from the book i've been reading. the author ONLY asks the questions, and gives no further input on the subject. these questions are merely a precursor to the next chapter, so do not assume that what i am writing is not my own words.

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let us assume a fully grown, completely healthy Clydesdale horse has his hooves shackled to the ground while his head is held in place with thick rope. He is conscious and standing upright, but completely immobile. And let us assume that -- for some reason-- every political prisoner on earth (as cited by Amnesty International) will be released from captivity if you can kick this horse to death in less than twenty minutes. You are allowed to wear steel-toed boots.
Would you attempt to do this?
I've included the link to amnesty international, as i can only assume many of you have never heard of it. it will greatly influence your opinion to find out exactly what the criteria of this hypothetical include.

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I wouldn't attempt it for a number of reasons.

1. I would be doubtful if I could do it. If I failed to kill the horse in twenty minutes, I would simply be visiting mindless violence on a defenceless animal for no good reason.

2. I would be doubtful that anyone could guarantee that ALL Political prisoners would be released, given the broad definition of the term, the political ideologies of those that incarcerate people for political reasons, the sheer scale of the task. If (assuming I wanted all political prisoners released unconditionally) I could not be guaranteed that this would happen, again I'd be doing violence to a defenceless animal for no good reason

3. I may not want all political prisoners released. Sure, the vast majority of Political prisoners may have been detained for protesting against injustice, or have been locked up for no other reason than questioning their government, but if there were any that, upon getting further details, may be classified as a "political prisoner' (as defined by Amnesty International), but who I believed deserved to be behind bars.

Bottom line, I find cruelty to animals abhorrent! I do believe in the concept of the greater good (sacrifice the few to save the many), but you really need to be sure that you'll get the desired result (i.e. after sacrificing the few, the Many are not saved)

If all in this theoretical situation was acheivable, I'd put the boots on, Kick the horse to death in under 20 minutes, hating every second of it, rejoice with the freed prisoners, and spend the rest of my life hunting down and kicking to death (much more slowly this time) the sadistic K#%&tz that put me in that situation

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The short answer is......not going to do it.



If it were as simple as sacrificing an innocent animal to free innocent people, then yes. But, two things here.

#1. I have very little idea of who I would be releasing. I have the feeling that this group who gets to define "political prisoner" would have a multiple of people let free than should not.

#2. The chance of me being able to actually kill this poor beast with just my legs is close to impossible.

I have had to put down a horse, and that ranks in the top five of things I wish I didn't have to do. Thanks oh so much for bringing that to mind.

Who is this sadistic bastard?
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I would attempt it if they executed every prisoner on the list.

To answer your question, I would keep walking.

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i would probably put a condom on and have at it with clyde... i can care less about the political prisoners, their country is still f*cked up and doesn't matter if they are released.

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I would:
1. Kill the horse.
2. Eat it.
3. Pretend I was poisoned and sue the horse's owner.
4. Take my lawsuit money and build a glue factory.
5. Pressure tax breaks and speacial treatment out of the political prisoners that I freed.
6. Secretly document all the special perks I received and blackmail the politicians.
7. After blackmailing the politicians, I would have them imprison all the people who opposed me.
8. Tie up another horse and tell someone that if they kicked the horse to death, I would free the prisoners.
9. After the first kick, have the person arrested for animal cruelty and throw them in prison.
10. Tell the public that my horse and I are a vicitm of racial hatred, and gain more public support.
11. Knock up a few teenagers and start a cult.
12. Build a spaceship.
13. Hop onto the next comet passing by and cruise the galaxy.
14. Crash onto the planet of amazon women, and become a love slave.
15. Gain my freedom by having some poor plebe kick a schraznit to death with titanium toed grazniks.
16. Fix my spaceship.
17. Fly through a wormhole and travel back in time and crash on Earth.
18. Kick a horse to death to gain the freedom of political prisoners.
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I would:
1. Kill the horse.
2. Eat it.
3. Pretend I was poisoned and sue the horse's owner.
4. Take my lawsuit money and build a glue factory.
5. Pressure tax breaks and speacial treatment out of the political prisoners that I freed.
6. Secretly document all the special perks I received and blackmail the politicians.
7. After blackmailing the politicians, I would have them imprison all the people who opposed me.
8. Tie up another horse and tell someone that if they kicked the horse to death, I would free the prisoners.
9. After the first kick, have the person arrested for animal cruelty and throw them in prison.
10. Tell the public that my horse and I are a vicitm of racial hatred, and gain more public support.
11. Knock up a few teenagers and start a cult.
12. Build a spaceship.
13. Hop onto the next comet passing by and cruise the galaxy.
14. Crash onto the planet of amazon women, and become a love slave.
15. Gain my freedom by having some poor plebe kick a schraznit to death with titanium toed grazniks.
16. Fix my spaceship.
17. Fly through a wormhole and travel back in time and crash on Earth.
18. Kick a horse to death to gain the freedom of political prisoners.
That's exactly what I was thinking too... Or maybe I was thinking that I could give two chits and a fluck about those political prisoners and I am way too lazy to try to kick a horse to death.
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Me? I will not kick the horse to death merely because i know life will continue the same way whether i kill the horse or not. while these prisoners are being held captive for their personal beliefs, they in no way affect my own beliefs, and therefore dont exist.

So in theory i would not kick a Clydesdale to death for no reason.
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I wouldn't sacrafice an inocent to free anyone who "I FELT" was innocent. how would I be any better than the people holding them captive? nor would I expect this act in return for my freedom.

but just so people know.. you could kill the horse in 20 mins by kicking... his neck is tied up... KICK HIM IN THE KNEES! he'd basicly hang himself.

but no I wouldn't do it
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No way. Not all political prisoners deserve to be released, the animal is defenseless, and a lot of the reasons people previously posted, etc.

I'd just go have a beer.
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No. Not a chance. For too many reasons than I care to list, but the short of it is, not just no, but hell no.
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replace the horse with a lessor animal, such as a pig or slaughter cow. then ppl will have a less humane answer. why a clydesdale? anything to do with anheuser?

the paradox isn't about killing to save lives, it's about willing to kill for strangers. Most will answer no. but if the ones being saved is not a stranger, then the answer will be different. who wouldn't kill a horse to save their loved ones? this is an obvious answer.

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replace the horse with a lessor animal, such as a pig or slaughter cow. then ppl will have a less humane answer. why a clydesdale? anything to do with anheuser?

the paradox isn't about killing to save lives, it's about willing to kill for strangers. Most will answer no. but if the ones being saved is not a stranger, then the answer will be different. who wouldn't kill a horse to save their loved ones? this is an obvious answer.

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I agree 99%.... however, a "lesser" animal really wouldn't change things for me (unless we're talking a slug or a milipede or something).
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I wouldnt do it. F those political prisoners.
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I simply don't think I could kick a horse to death and I would not try. I'm not talking about physically being able to, I'm talking about mentally being able. Nothing more to say on that.
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I simply don't think I could kick a horse to death and I would not try. I'm not talking about physically being able to, I'm talking about mentally being able. Nothing more to say on that.


but even if it was to shoot one... or give the word and not even see it... I wouldn't... I wouldn't trade 1 inocent life to free another...

unless it was MY life I'm trading
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