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post #1 of 68 (permalink) Old 06-29-2007, 11:30 AM Thread Starter
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How bad is the immigration problem?

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Illegals are treated better than US citizens and we're a bunch of suckers and dead beat fools for letting it happen.


Subject: Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas , Texas is a fairly famous institution and for a variety of reasons:
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:48:43 -0700 (PDT)

Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas , Texas is a fairly famous institution and for a variety of reasons:

1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963
2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after
3. Jack Ruby-who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, died there a few years later..by coincidence

'On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year. (That's almost 44 per day---every day)

A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal immigrants.That's 11,200 babies born every year just in Dallas According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering 15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars in surplus
funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5 million.

The average patient in Parkland 's maternity wards is 25 years old, married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their immigration status or ability to pay.

OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital , they do.

Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child---her previous two were also born at Parkland . Her first two deliveries were free and the Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in Mexico This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10 per visit and $100 for the delivery but she was unsure if she could come up with the money. Not that it matters, the hospital won't turn her away. (I wonder why they even bother asking at this point.)

How long has this been going on? What are the long-term affects?

Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986 shortly after her mother entered the U.S. illegally---now she is having her own child there as well. (That's right, she's technically a U.S. citizen.) These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition, birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as car seats, bottles, diapers and formula.

Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but only for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is almost insurmountable.

Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide any sort of legitimate identification---no proof of income. An American citizen would have to provide a social security number which would reveal their annual income---an illegal immigrant need only claim to be poor and the hospital must take them at their word.

My husband is a pilot for the United States Navy (yes, he fought in Iraq ) and while the health care is good, we Navy wives don't get any of these perks! Car seats? Diapers? Not so much. So my question is this: Does our public medical care system treat illegal immigrants better than American citizens? Yes it does!

As I mentioned, the care I have received is perfectly adequate but it's bare bones, meat and potato medical care---not top of line.

Their (the illegals) medical care is free---simply because they are illegal immigrants? Once again, there is no way to verify their income.

Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who earn less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did not refuse health coverage at their current job. Yeah, the 'free' care is not so easy for Americans.)

There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars for un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify for free treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County So the hospital is going to sue them! Illegals get it all free! But U.S citizens who live outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?

As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish. In this AP story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband. The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the mother was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish. This was apparently a great injustice to her.

In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is now providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicants who speak Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of Texas Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility will now have a Spanish language requirement added to their already jammed-packed curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a ridiculous multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.

In the meantime, I have to end my column here. I have to go buy a car seat.'

(Ed: Sorry for the length, but this needs wide circulation----particularly to our 'employees' in Congress.)
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If you want to verify accuracy: http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp
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there is a difference betw how maternity patients are treated, if one has insurance, then they get private rooms. if one doesn't have insurance (illegals) they will be examined by interns constantly. they will have many strangers sticking their fingers up there daily.

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there is a difference betw how maternity patients are treated, if one has insurance, then they get private rooms. if one doesn't have insurance (illegals) they will be examined by interns constantly. they will have many strangers sticking their fingers up there daily.

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Not here, all rooms are private.
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there is a difference betw how maternity patients are treated, if one has insurance, then they get private rooms. if one doesn't have insurance (illegals) they will be examined by interns constantly. they will have many strangers sticking their fingers up there daily.

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Insurance or no, you still have out of pocket expense... These flucking people get 100% free healthcare... What is wrong with this picture?!?!?!?!
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Not here, all rooms are private.
do the insured patients get prodded by interns?

i was self insured but the hospital considered us as no insurance and it p*ssed me off when interns kept interrupting my visits to stick their finger up my wife. i paid out of pocket (over $5k) for my first kid.

again, i paid out of pocket for my next kid even though i was paying cobra (insr for laid off workers). it became costly to pursue reimbursement so i dropped it.

when i finally had insr pay, in the same hospital, we were treated like first class citizens. we even received a better nursing staff. no interruptions, rooms were immaculate. doctor was her actual doctor and not a staff doctor.

from experience, i doubt that illegals are treated better than citizens. they may receive more benifits, but they are still treated like second class citizens.

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well illegal arent citizens. But just cause someone doesn't have insurance isn't a reason to discriminate against them. They getting charged the same.
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I'm not touching this one but I understand your very well put point I'm a soldier and I have a wife who is in the military also and we have two kids and we are in the health care field and we get retirees and vets all the time we are not allowed to treat who some did 25-30 years and fought in several conflicts but whatever thats just the way it is one day well get it right America land of the free the almighty superpower taking care of everyone but its own there are hundreds of soldiers wounded in Iraq/Afghan/etc.. forgotten about when they can't perform anymore due to injuries caused by defending our great nation
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My baby was born a U.S Citizen...can you say "Adjustment of Status?"

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Ok, this country is BEYOND FACKED UP. we're so screwed that if all the immigrants left I'm willing to bet our economy would go tits up because they do most of the work. the majority of americans are too lazy to actually do anything, and what they do, they whine about crappy pay. hell, I'm just glad if someone pays me at all, let alone crappy pay.
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We Need To Be Like China And Build A Great Wall Around The Country.......look At China...no Mexicans...
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We Need To Be Like China And Build A Great Wall Around The Country.......look At China...no Mexicans...
ummm thats almost a racist comment I thought TWF Members were bigger than that we have legal Immigrants we didn't say no Mexicans I think the point being made is we need to fix a broke system and focus more on hard working Americans who are getting shafted and can't have the same privileges as illegals. Also I want to point out the same thing is going on with our American born prisoners not saying they don't deserve the right to be treated but i saw a news story the other week where we as tax payers were paying a lottttttt of money to keep a cop killer and several other bad guys alive I think they quoted like one of the guys hospital bed cost like 3 or $4000 a month to rent and he was expected to live for 15 to 20 more years you do the math nway let me not rant on I got off my point anyway Keep it clean or
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Simple solution: Wanna solve illegal immagration- get rid of the welfare system. This is not to say illegal immigrants are the problem( they are not... they are simply taking advantage of a situation that we have created by feeding and clothing the lazy Americans that refuse to work) it's the lazy Americans that are the problem. If we cut the welfare programs- the lazy Americans would be forced to get off their a$$ and take those jobs that Americans supposedly don't want... hence no job market for illegals. Now all Americans are working- our tax money is not wasted (as much)... and our borders are secure cause there is less draw/opportunity for outsiders. WIN WIN situation.

Getting rid of welfare would solve numerous problems in our country.
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Simple solution: Wanna solve illegal immagration- get rid of the welfare system. This is not to say illegal immigrants are the problem( they are not... they are simply taking advantage of a situation that we have created by feeding and clothing the lazy Americans that refuse to work) it's the lazy Americans that are the problem. If we cut the welfare programs- the lazy Americans would be forced to get off their a$$ and take those jobs that Americans supposedly don't want... hence no job market for illegals. Now all Americans are working- our tax money is not wasted (as much)... and our borders are secure cause there is less draw/opportunity for outsiders. WIN WIN situation.

Getting rid of welfare would solve numerous problems in our country.
it would create problems too. The problems with lazy americans is true. But the welfare system does more than support the lazy. It helps families that cant afford to feed/clothe/pay rent because they were to lazy to pay attention in school and now have to work at Walmart/McD's etc and not make ****. It also helps with our retired seniors because the SSI system sux as well. What you said isnt all wrong. Just killing welfare isnt gonna fix it. Cracking down on the greed businesses that hire illegals is one place to start. Town like mine where the Mayor go and invites immigrant to move here n seek work so they can have more $$$ in thier pockets. ITS GREED thats all it is. America forgot how to look out for Americans! God Bless our soldiers n the ppl they dont support em can kiss my @ss.
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I'm actually pretty sorry I read this thread. It really lowered my estimation of some of the people on this forum.

If you honestly believe illegal immigrants are treated better than Americans - in health care or anywhere else, you really haven't been around that population at all.

I am temporarily working at a nonprofit that runs a number of programs designed specifically to help with people who are discriminated against, threatened, harassed and isolated every day of their lives - and yet this uncertainty is still better than the poverty, violence and destitution they face in their own countries. For a country that was supposedly founded by immigrants (and my grandmother's family of Irish immigrants falls into that working class) - we've gotten awfully xenophobic and racist. Is it just because the face of the immigrant population is changing?

I can also attest to the fact that while this particular isolated incident might allow illegals to have their children free of charge, nearly all of the families I've worked with have no health insurance and live in fear of their children needing medical attention. Can you imagine worrying that your son's broken arm may cause your deportation?

Not to go on a rant here, but there is a bigger picture.

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'love your neighbor as yourself.'—Matthew 19:19
It's such a simple thing, but without being cheesy, it's how to change the world.

I like this one:

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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It's such a simple thing, but without being cheesy, it's how to change the world.

I like this one:

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi
They go hand n hand
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