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Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit. In order to get that paycheck.. I am required to pass a random urine test, which I have no problem with. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their ass. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
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Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit. In order to get that paycheck.. I am required to pass a random urine test, which I have no problem with. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their ass. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
Very good point
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Im on the bandwagon lets cause a ruckus. I gotta take piss tests all the damn time. Just to give to meth addicts (which i hate with a passion) for doing jack ****. Our system is designed to keep people poor and lazy and pay for there habits.

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Im on the bandwagon lets cause a ruckus. I gotta take piss tests all the damn time. Just to give to meth addicts (which i hate with a passion) for doing jack ****. Our system is designed to keep people poor and lazy and pay for there habits.
Well that in part is because the system is set to make the rich richer, and to keep the working man just that, A WORKING MAN.

F*** the SYSTEM!!!!
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Thanks- Though I can't take credit for it... I recieved this in an Email and felt it makes such a good point I'd pass it along. In addition to this point though I would add, If you are recieving benefits and have additional children your benefits should be terminated. There should also be a time limit for recieving benefits for those that are capable of working. Giving away someone elses hard earned money with little or no limitations is not only irresponsible, it's down right disrespectful.
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Well that in part is because the system is set to make the rich richer, and to keep the working man just that, A WORKING MAN.

F*** the SYSTEM!!!!
I like being the working man Life is simple that way

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I like being a working man too. Even if I won the lotto tomorrow, I wouldn't quit my job. I would probably revise my hours and not work AS MUCH, but no matter how many toys I had, I would still work some. Otherwise boredom sets in, and a feeling of worthlessness sets in. That's just me tho.

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This thread makes alot of sense. I love getting up in the morning and working 8-12 hrs a day it makes me feel more like a man knowing i am here for my family.I hate the fact knowing i am paying for some lazy,alcoholic,druggie's bills. This system was built to provide some relief to families who fall a little short and which is completely acceptable and understandable, which I have absolutly no problem with that. But it should not be designed where sorry mother Fer's that do not want to work don't have to. Employer's pay for unemployment and workers comp for a reason. If you get hurt on the job they will pay a majority of your salary or give you a light duty job and let you push a broom for 8 hrs.If you lose your job you can get unemployment for like 6 months. If you can't find a job in less than 6 months then you didn't try hard enough. If you are not able to work they have this thing called disability. So I feel if you don't qualify for disability and you don't have a job you shouldn't get any government assistance at all. No food stamps, light bill assistance, government housing, NOTHING. If you are too sorry to work why should my hard earned dollars go to you? And thats my


Sorry to get a little off subject but the whole drug test thing sparked my fire. A drug test should be manditory for all jobs and assistance from the government. I only wish the social security office's could see this letter and change their policies.
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Very excellent point, repted.
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I agree with this ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. we work for our money, theres no reason everyone else who is physically and mentally capable of doing so shouldnt have to either. now, if someone is mentally disabled in some way that prevents them from being able to work, or they have a phsyical disability, I fully understand that, but simply not wanting to work because you're lazy is inexcusable.

no work, no money. our system needs to be revamped dramatically.
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Ive seen to many sorry examples of how people abuse the system to the point they suck their kids into it. I know a girl that pays for her mothers house, all her bills, and there isnt a damn thing wrong with shes just whines and plays it out to get a free ride. It makes me sick. Praying on the love of her daughter which is blind to the worthlessness. Wahhhhhh my back hurts. The soldiers on disabilty from the military that are missing limbs dont cry around like little bitches. Hell most of them have successful careers. People with no heart or inner strength are scum to me. I live with pain every day. I played soccer most my life then joined the army. My knees and back feel like **** most the time but hell i get up at 0500 to be at PT at 0630 run 5-6 miles until 0800, take a break to shower and eat then work all damn day. Do i like running? Hell no but im no ***** bitch that cries around about hurting all the time. I gotta deal with soldiers that are whiny bitches all the time but they signed the damn contract its time to do what you said you would for your country. Man up

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I'm with you...mostly.

I'm of the opinion that if you're got your crap together enough to keep a job you should be free from worrying about piss tests. They're super easy to cheat on and they only cause suspicion and deception in the work place.

If you're receiving government handouts I'm all for piss testing, breathalyzers and some hardcore ground rules also.
If you get hurt on the job that's one thing but if you've NEVER had a job? No tv allowed in your house, restricted internet- job sites and email only, five applications filled out a day minimum. You miss those requirements, don't show up for work, get fired- no soup for you.
If you're serious about dropping your drug habit you commit to a closed facility, i.e. you don't get out until you're completely clean. This leave whenever you want crap is bull.

If others are working to pay your way it's just like living with your parents again, you need to earn your amenities and luxuries and the freedom to do adult things.
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This thread makes alot of sense. I love getting up in the morning and working 8-12 hrs a day it makes me feel more like a man knowing i am here for my family.I hate the fact knowing i am paying for some lazy,alcoholic,druggie's bills. This system was built to provide some relief to families who fall a little short and which is completely acceptable and understandable, which I have absolutly no problem with that. But it should not be designed where sorry mother Fer's that do not want to work don't have to. Employer's pay for unemployment and workers comp for a reason. If you get hurt on the job they will pay a majority of your salary or give you a light duty job and let you push a broom for 8 hrs.If you lose your job you can get unemployment for like 6 months. If you can't find a job in less than 6 months then you didn't try hard enough. If you are not able to work they have this thing called disability. So I feel if you don't qualify for disability and you don't have a job you shouldn't get any government assistance at all. No food stamps, light bill assistance, government housing, NOTHING. If you are too sorry to work why should my hard earned dollars go to you? And thats my


Sorry to get a little off subject but the whole drug test thing sparked my fire. A drug test should be manditory for all jobs and assistance from the government. I only wish the social security office's could see this letter and change their policies.
Not to be a B(*)% about this but we all have rights a voters to bring this to our congressmen. Start writing letters and get your friends together and get signatures to pass bills. As a Criminal Justice major, i have learned that we can get anything we try to do. We just have to do our background research on this. Get proof that it is a problem (stats, and such) and bring that forward.
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I'm seriously bothered by helping people sit on their asses. I don't give my spare change to the homeless, I've seen people much worse off than them physically and mentally and they are still trying to do something with their lives other than mooching off of those of us that work hard for our money.

We find disabled people working all over the place, that is the beauty of equal opportunity employment. The people I see on the streets begging for change most often have full use of all their limbs, they speak english and IMO have no excuse to not be out looking for a job.

Now if they are working, they don't have any drug or alcohol habits and are honestly giving it their all...then I wouldn't have any problem helping them get on their feet and stable.
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Holy crap, excellent point. I agree with you that there should be much harder restrictions in place in for ANYONE to recieve any form of public assistance. A Mandatory drug test would be one. ANother would be setting a time limit one can recieve assistance. Also require mandatory job searches like the umemployment office does.
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Welfare should be scraped, charity should be voluntarily not forcibly taxed.

If we must have it, I am all for the "Modest Proposal" method. Pay welfare baby factories aka ghetto whores to have babies to serve to the homeless. Feed the homeless and provide relief at the same time.

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I'm seriously bothered by helping people sit on their asses. I don't give my spare change to the homeless, I've seen people much worse off than them physically and mentally and they are still trying to do something with their lives other than mooching off of those of us that work hard for our money.
they put themselves to that state. I just tell them to get a job... they're just going to blow my change on some cheap vodka anyways.

There are so many chitty jobs out there, if they were worth half a chit they would have gotten one and kept it, and not ended up where they are.
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Not to be a B(*)% about this but we all have rights a voters to bring this to our congressmen. Start writing letters and get your friends together and get signatures to pass bills. As a Criminal Justice major, i have learned that we can get anything we try to do. We just have to do our background research on this. Get proof that it is a problem (stats, and such) and bring that forward.
This would be a good thing but i am really dumb on political stuff. I wouldn't know where to begin. How would a sign sheet work and also is a computer/email/forum based sheet acceptable. Also is it a state by state thing / county by county thing?
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Their are many people that are born homeless and good amount of those found the heart to fight there way out and into a nice life. Remember Bum is right beside Whore for trying to claim the rights to which is the oldest profession.

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Good point.. Fuk the system.
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