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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 12-09-2004, 09:15 AM Thread Starter
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Hockey talks back on

NHL, union will return to table for talks today

Rick Sadowski, Rocky Mountain News

The immediate future of the NHL could be decided today in Toronto when officials from the league and the NHL Players' Association meet for the first time in three months in an attempt to salvage the 2004-05 season.

The NHL-imposed lockout, now 86 days old, began Sept. 15, when the collective bargaining agreement between the parties expired.


The regular season was scheduled to start Oct. 13, but games are being canceled by teams on a 45-day rolling basis, and time is running out.

The only other NHL lockout took place before the 1994-95 season. An agreement was reached Jan. 11, 1995, and a 48-game schedule began nine days later.

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has yet to announce a deadline for this season, but he is demanding "cost certainty" in a new agreement, with a fixed link between player salaries and league revenues.

The NHLPA views that as a hard salary cap and insists it won't accept such a system.

The Hockey News recently polled 120 players, asking if they would consider accepting a hard cap if it meant saving the season. Only 7 percent said yes.

Bettman said 75 percent of league revenues went to player salaries last season, when the average salary was about $1.8 million.

The league is willing to give the players in excess of 50 percent of revenues and guarantee an average salary of $1.3 million.

Union chief Bob Goodenow is expected to submit a proposal today that includes a soft cap and stiffer luxury tax than was offered Sept. 9, the previous time the sides met.

But Bettman has said he has no interest in a luxury tax system and has been reiterating this position while meeting with officials, sponsors and season-ticket holders from several Canadian teams.

"If (the union offer) is a real genuine attempt to move the process forward, then I'll be delighted," Bettman told LeafsTV, which is owned by the Toronto Maple Leafs. "If this is just an attempt at PR, then I'm not sure we will have advanced things."

The proposal is expected to include a 10 percent reduction in current player contracts; a luxury tax of 75 cents per dollar on payrolls that exceed $40 million, with the money going to teams in need; concessions in salary arbitration; and lowering the maximum entry-level salary from $1.3 million to $850,000.

"Everyone in our union can look at each other and say we've done what we could to get a deal done," said Colorado Avalanche defenseman Rob Blake, who has left for Europe with the WorldStars, a group of NHL players that will play 10 games in seven countries, with profits earmarked for charity.

Phoenix Coyotes player representative Shane Doan, in an interview with the The (Vancouver) Province, claimed Bettman's insistence on a hard salary cap shows he is more interested in keeping his job than saving the sport.

"It boggles my mind how Gary has kept his job," Doan told the paper. "I don't know what happened to him in the last lockout. Maybe he feels embarrassed and is trying to prove himself in this one."

Bettman said he isn't troubled by such remarks.

"In the course of collective bargaining, it's not uncommon for a union that's not getting what it wants to attack, or have its members attack, the negotiators on the other side," Bettman said.

"And those are sounding like words of desperation on behalf of the union. But I don't make anything of it."

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I'm sorry but all these sports atheletes need to get a reality check!! They are getting paid more than any other industry, maybe second to only Hollywood! And they have the nerve to strike...for what?!?!?! It's BS, what are you fighting for...not enough money!! GET A F'in CLUE!!! 50 million a year isn't enough!!

Let's drag these MOFO's back where they came from and leave em!! This is beyond stupid!!!

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I hate hockey
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I love hockey but if they come back, I won't watch a single game. I've taken to the college hockey scene because the pros are a bunch of babies and I don't care to see them play at all this year
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post #5 of 8 (permalink) Old 12-09-2004, 02:32 PM
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there is a basic economic principle here the two sides are forgetting. A guaranteed 850K in salary is much better than no salary. Where else are these guys going to make 850K in 20 years of working instead of 12 months?? Hockey and any other sport is a commodity. If not delivered, people make alternate choices and soon, there is no market for the commodity. They need to take what they can and get on with Hockey or there may be no jobs to come back to.
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I cant wait to hear mudpuppy's rant on this...
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Originally Posted by Need4Speed750
I cant wait to hear mudpuppy's rant on this...

You're just an enabler! :nono:
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post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 12-09-2004, 05:06 PM
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I can't really say I follow hockey that much...I just usually watch it for the cool fights. But this whole strike/lockout is just ridiculous !!!! I wonder if it will take them as long to solve this as it has been since it started...
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