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Should Asterisk be placed after Patriots unbeaten season?

Facts are Patroits have been cheating for years. Patriots will lose first round draft choice, coach paid $500,000 fine. Cheating is cheating.
All you guys want asterisk after Barry Bonds record, guy has never been caught cheating
Patroits caught cheating, punished by NFL. Since cheaters deserve asterick after any records during cheating season. Lets put * after Patroits 19-0* unbeaten season

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It is still a long way from being the perfect season. I do like the point you are trying to make though!! I really have no good answer for that! Except there is no way the the Pats can beat the Colts again when they meet in the playoffs!
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this is totally different than the barry bonds thing. And they got caught the 1st game which they would have won anyway. Also they are not the only team who has done this. No matter what brady still has what like 30 TD passes?? new record! yea no* for them.
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this is totally different than the barry bonds thing. And they got caught the 1st game which they would have won anyway. Also they are not the only team who has done this. No matter what brady still has what like 30 TD passes?? new record! yea no* for them.
So if you get caught on first game it does not count
Patroits admit to destroying tapes in past, they have been cheaters for years
Three super bowel wins by three point margins, better slap * to those cheating wins also
Cheating is cheating???????????????????????????
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All teams and players who ever do anything even remotely questionable, or are accused by someone of doing something that may possibly be questionable, should have an asterisk next to their name.
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Yes they should. But they won't....b/c they aren't going undefeated.



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Your going to have to re write a bunch of records then. Cause bending (and sometimes breaking ) the rules has gone on for as long as human competition has existed. Your going to wear that astrix out!

Richard Petty, Darrell Waltrip, Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Bill Elliott and a host of Nascar championships have been won thru creative advantage.

Basketball, Baseball, Football all full of athletes and coaches who will do anything to win. Remember Lyle Alzado (sp?) and what was that famous NY Giants Linebacker...Steroid use is and was rampant.

Stealing playbooks, spying (oops I mean scouting) has gone on forever. Electronic spying is nothing new to sports just recently getting press.

Ferrari and McLaren have had lawsuits this year in F1 for technical data/corporate spying.

It is just part of the game. Any game!
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It's not likely they will go undefeated due to the fact that once homefield advantage is obtained teams tend to bench their starters more often to avoid injuries going into the playoffs.

When having to play teams near the end of the season that are still trying to get a playoff berth when your team already is in...makes it tough to win as well.

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What is amazing is they didn't NEED to. I guess old habits die hard. BTW-to put it in context-Nixon was caught cheating and had to resign.

Bonds was CAUGHT. He had immunity from the Grand jury which is why he was never prosecuted. Big difference.

Barry Bonds=OJ Simpson.
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Facts are Patroits have been cheating for years. Patriots will lose first round draft choice, coach paid $500,000 fine. Cheating is cheating.
All you guys want asterisk after Barry Bonds record, guy has never been caught cheating
Patroits caught cheating, punished by NFL. Since cheaters deserve asterick after any records during cheating season. Lets put * after Patroits 19-0* unbeaten season
How did I know you would be the first to say something like this.

If you want to put an asterisk next to the pats unbeaten season(if they have one) for simply videotaping a couple coaches on the sidelines waving their hands around, then you need to put an asterisk next to every single record held by every NFL team/player ever.


Oh yeah, and Barry Bonds is still an ass hole. I hate arod, and I hope he breaks Barry's record. That tells you something.
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How did I know you would be the first to say something like this.

If you want to put an asterisk next to the pats unbeaten season(if they have one) for simply videotaping a couple coaches on the sidelines waving their hands around, then you need to put an asterisk next to every single record held by every NFL team/player ever.


Oh yeah, and Barry Bonds is still an ass hole. I hate arod, and I hope he breaks Barry's record. That tells you something.
Wow, I actually agree with you.
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Where would you draw the line?

Baseball and football have so many ridiculous signs and play calls to confuse the other team. Kinda lets you know how long teams have been stealing signs. So when you do it with humans spying and decoding the signs it is OK? And then if they go one step further using electronic aids it is cheating?

Pats need astrix! Who else has done this and not been caught?


And if a driver uses his throttle to control wheel spin it is ok? But when he uses electronic aids to control wheel spin it is cheating? Jeff Gordon and Geoff Bodine need astrix! Mat Mladin needs astrix!

If an athlete uses training, diet, and sports psychology to help him compete it is cheating? Or does he cross the line when he takes performance enhancing drugs? It is cheating? How many have gotten away with it?

Is it only cheating and astrix worthy if you get caught?
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[QUOTE=smileyman;452876]

Pats need astrix! Who else has done this and not been caught?

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The 2006 Dolphins in their victory over us got caught buying a tape of our offensive signals before the game and admitted to it afterwards. Should their be an asterix next to the Dolphins 2006 season? No because people are gonna say "oh its just the dolphins they didnt even win their division" but people will say it against the Pats because they are amazing, people are just sore loosers

I wish the NFL would release all the info about other teams that have been caught tapping people....or other forms of cheating...(colts, dolphins, chargers (sean merimman) jaguars (marcus stroud) )
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If you want to put an asterisk next to the pats unbeaten season(if they have one) for simply videotaping a couple coaches on the sidelines waving their hands around, then you need to put an asterisk next to every single record held by every NFL team/player ever played.
Knowing blitz is coming, very helpful May of even helped Patroits win three super bowels by cheating
Saying every team/player cheats bunch BS. Patroits caught cheating red handed, NFL came down hard them
All Patriot wins under cheating coach Belichick need * after them
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Just to let you know I have a friend that works for a professional football team that I will not say. He is no one special, but he told me that every team in the league does it. The NFL is just punishing the Pats bc they are the dominant team right now in the league.
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Knowing blitz is coming, very helpful May of even helped Patroits win three super bowels by cheating
Saying every team/player cheats bunch BS. Patroits caught cheating red handed, NFL came down hard them
All Patriot wins under cheating coach Belichick need * after them
what about the 1972 dolphins?

Shula on wrong foot
By Eric Wilbur, Boston.com Staff

Don’t they learn?


I can just imagine how many of Don Shula’s former Dolphins players are calling him today, wondering just what he was thinking with his inane asterisk talk. For all intents and purposes, he pretty much assured the Patriots are going to run the table this season -- matching the perfection done only by Shula’s ’72 squad -- by calling into question the validity of their accomplishments.

This is a team that finds disrespect when they’re not a two-touchdown favorite. Bring up asterisks, validity, and cheating accusations and, well, you’re actually watching what happens: A convincing 9-0 mark and very few standing in the way of perfection. The 2007 Patriots will go down as the best team in the history of the NFL, a powerhouse in the dynasty they've already created for themselves this decade.

But...oh, right. The camera stuff.

"The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished. You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it," Shula told the New York Daily News. "Belichick was fined $500,000, the team was fined $250,000, and they lost a first-round draft choice. That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found.

"I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds's home run record.”

Ah, yes, the old asterisk, our nation’s crutch to be forever attached to records and marks we deem not to have been accomplished the same way as our sporting forefathers. Now Shula, the architect of the only team to go undefeated for an entire season, wants one attached to the Patriots for what they’ve accomplished (9-0) in the wake of Spygate.

But shouldn’t his precious Dolphins have the same stigma attached to them?

Writes the Associated Press’s Jim Litke, “If Shula believes that, then he ought to negotiate a twofer and paste the other asterisk next to his own undefeated team. He was still the coach of the Baltimore Colts at the end of the 1969 season, when then-Miami owner Joe Robbie approached him and signed Shula to a contract. The NFL charged the Dolphins with tampering and awarded their first-round pick to the Colts. Undaunted, Miami reached the Super Bowl in 1971, then rebounded from a loss to the Dallas Cowboys by winning the next two, including the perfect 17-0 campaign.”

The team lost a first-round draft choice. That, oh, and I quote, “tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found.”

The 1972 Dolphins might as well have played a schedule full of high school teams based on their strength of schedule. Their opponents had a winning percentage of just .400, and let’s not forget that there was no salary cap in Shula’s era. Asterisk? The 1972 Dolphins ran up the score against the Patriots, 52-0, that season, but you don’t hear anything in regards to a “lack of class” on Shula’s part. Asterisk?

As we’ve learned time and again, in lieu of getting all riled up by a lack of respect, Patriots fans should embrace the ill-advised comments of guys like Shula, whose words only do more to fire up the New England players in the quest that they all tell us isn’t a primary goal this season, but in reality is a primary goal this season.

Mind you, this isn’t Cris Collinsworth, Shannon Sharpe, or some other TV talking head questioning the team’s past glory. This is one of the most respected head coaches in the history of the game calling out the best team in the NFL. As weeks pass, it’s no longer the rest of the NFL that’s in jeopardy of watching the Pats steamroll the rest of the league, it’s the very proud members of that 1972 team who very well might watch their claim to glory fall in a matter of eight weeks.

And yet, here’s how many games in which the Patriots have demoralized the opposition without the use of cameras: eight. And the ninth, the New York Jets, are in for some kind of beating when they come to Foxborough next month. Belichick might insist that Eric Mangini use cameras just so that fewer players leave the field on a stretcher.

Spygate was an embarrassment for the franchise, no question. But it has no bearing on what the team is doing now in its shadow, and those who can argue otherwise are probably still tracking Sasquatch, obsessed with the makeup of Dallas grass seed, and planning family vacations to Roswell.

But let’s go easy on ol’ Don. After all, it won’t be easy for him to watch a team go 16-0 the same year his former team goes 0-16. It has never been a worse time to be a Miami Dolphins fan.

“Every year, the 1972 Miami Dolphins pop champagne when the final undefeated team loses, preserving their 17-0 squad as the last to enjoy a perfect season,” writes Yahoo’s Dan Wetzel. “ It's a rite of autumn in the NFL.”

Actually, it’s not. The assumption of a big party every time an undefeated NFL team goes down late in the season is an urban myth. Oh, sure, glasses may clink here or there where former teammates reside near one another, but it’s not the revelatory get-together that we were once led to believe.

"You guys put forth the myth that we are pathetic losers down here clicking champagne glasses and clinging desperately to a record set 35 years ago," former Dolphins tight end Jim Mandich told the Daily News. "Somehow we've been portrayed as being evil. We don't ever blow our own horn. It's a great record, but the record doesn't get beaten. The Patriots have assembled a powerhouse of a team. They are a classy bunch of guys and play ball the right way. If they want to join the unbeaten club, come on aboard."

That’s good of Mandich to try to clean up the mess Shula left for him, but it’s too late now. The ’72 Dolphins can thank him for assuring New England’s train doesn’t derail.

And in case they forget about it over their bye week, I’m sure someone else will be dumb enough to further question things in the next 10 days so that there’s a fresh new reason for motivation. Nobody ever learns. And the Patriots only get stronger the more people doubt them.
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Just to let you know I have a friend that works for a professional football team that I will not say. He is no one special, but he told me that every team in the league does it. The NFL is just punishing the Pats bc they are the dominant team right now in the league.
Sort of like baseball, everybody using steroids, lets go after dominant player Barry Bonds with *
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