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Well, just read in paper that a barrel of oil is now just below $100 a barrel... with my gas guzzling car... im screwed.. haha
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Well, just read in paper that a barrel of oil is now just below $100 a barrel... with my gas guzzling car... im screwed.. haha
Isn't that one of the reasons ya got a bike?


Maybe this will enlarge the motorcycle community......


Nah. Peep's will still be drivin' their gas guzzlin' SUVs and such.....
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yea the bike helps, but in winter months...

hope the hybrid and renewable fuel comes soon...theyve got a hybrid Yukon out now, and Civic,
but the thing needs to hit mainstream,

I watched Discovery Channel, showed the hydrogen cars, and stations. The electrolysis machine that converts water into hydrogen is the size of a refrigerator. Sweden or (or northern european country) is already using it on an all hydrogen highway.

Were making small leaps, but we could be doing a lot better if $$$ didnt talk so much from the oil companies, (and those who own them). We're on the brink of another major change, and if were not prepared... were left behind.
So in the mean time Thank God for motorcycles!
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heh as long as i dont have to switch to a fuel cell electric sportbike
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bio-diesel FTW!
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Major problem with hydrogen is that it takes more energy to make. You have to fuel the electric plant that powers the plant that creates the hydrogen. And if you use methane to get the hydrogen, you get a whole other mess. Same thing with methane as fuel. More steps in the conversion of a fuel offsets any energy savings and the cleaner burning.

Biodiesel has promise, or using wind/solar to power hydrogen plants that use electrolysis on seawater.

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Major problem with hydrogen is that it takes more energy to make. You have to fuel the electric plant that powers the plant that creates the hydrogen. And if you use methane to get the hydrogen, you get a whole other mess. Same thing with methane as fuel. More steps in the conversion of a fuel offsets any energy savings and the cleaner burning.

Biodiesel has promise, or using wind/solar to power hydrogen plants that use electrolysis on seawater.

plus its harder to store... its easily leaked out. and into atmoshere
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Major problem with hydrogen is that it takes more energy to make. You have to fuel the electric plant that powers the plant that creates the hydrogen. And if you use methane to get the hydrogen, you get a whole other mess. Same thing with methane as fuel. More steps in the conversion of a fuel offsets any energy savings and the cleaner burning.

Biodiesel has promise, or using wind/solar to power hydrogen plants that use electrolysis on seawater.

home solar power can get the hydrogen out of water. i hope we are talking about hydrogen combustion engine and not hydrogen fuel cells...

there is also hydrogen producing bacteria being studied.

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home solar power can get the hydrogen out of water. i hope we are talking about hydrogen combustion engine and not hydrogen fuel cells...

there is also hydrogen producing bacteria being studied.

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What I'm talking about is actually getting the hydrogen. One route burns coal/oil/whatever to crack methane- very inefficient, and lots of nasty by-products. Hydrogen fuel-cells, at least for now have nasty by-products in the creation of the fuel-cell, and the material in the cell doesn't last very long.

Any direction we go, there's a lot of infrastructure to be created, and millions of personal vehicles to be converted. BUT there are ways to get it started- like company fleet vehicles going to alternative fuels, and large public displays moving to alternate sources- like the tree at Rockefeller Center in NY. The lights are LED now, and they mounted solar cells on some of the buildings to offset the requirement and feed power back into the grid during the summer.

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Well, just read in paper that a barrel of oil is now just below $100 a barrel... with my gas guzzling car... im screwed.. haha
And we have to pay more in Cali because we need "special gas" how dumb is that..
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hydrogen is the fuel of the future. i have no doubts that technology will be made affordable to capture this resource.

the byproduct of hydrogen combustion engines is clean air...

BMW already has one



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Nice BMW.


Unfortunately w/ the Oil $$$ in the US Goverment (Congress/W.House) it'll be a while before it shows up here.... which is greatly unfortunate.
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What is really scary is the price hikes in oil really haven't yet converted over into pump pricing for gas. When the price does adjust for the cost of production we are looking at $4 per gallon fuel
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plus its harder to store... its easily leaked out. and into atmoshere
And it burns invisibly, making wrecks more dangerous for responders.
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hydrogen is the fuel of the future. i have no doubts that technology will be made affordable to capture this resource.

the byproduct of hydrogen combustion engines is clean air...
If by "clean air" you mean "air filled with the emissions of coal plants" then yes.

We could move to other forms of energy production, but they'll cost more. We're using what we use because, quite simply, it's cheaper. This does not include situations where something is not in use due to government intervention (such as nuclear plants.)

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For now, gasoline and diesel are the cheapest and most convenient fuels available for personal vehicles.

And before someone goes apesh*t, this means actual cost. That means factoring in the fact that alternative fuel prices are brought down by tax subsidies, and that the infrastructure will cost a lot of money to put in place. Once you remove subsidies and taxes from the equasion you get the true costs of the fuels.
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Major problem with hydrogen is that it takes more energy to make. You have to fuel the electric plant that powers the plant that creates the hydrogen. And if you use methane to get the hydrogen, you get a whole other mess. Same thing with methane as fuel. More steps in the conversion of a fuel offsets any energy savings and the cleaner burning.

Biodiesel has promise, or using wind/solar to power hydrogen plants that use electrolysis on seawater.
I actually saw something about that on the History Channel. Theyre combating the methane emissions from the plant by funneling the harmful gases into tubes with algae, which eats the methane and breaks it down into carbon monoxide (or something like that). I cant remember if it was a hydrogen plant or what but whatever they were making gave off methane
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No matter what, there are unavoidable facts which cannot be circumvented.

1. That there are only two ultimate sources of energy: that which is stored within the Earth, and that which comes to us from outer space. The former is limited and the latter is, as far as humans living on Earth are concerned, unlimited. The former takes the forms of geothermal, nuclear, coal, oil, and natural gas. The latter takes the forms of solar, wind, hydro, biomass, and wave. There are others, but they all fall within one or both of these two categories.

2. Hydrogen does not exist in a pure form on Earth; it is simply too reactive. Cracking water to get it takes more energy than using it will produce, so you still need another source of energy. Other methods of extracting hydrogen still create pollution, such as cracking hydrocarbons.

3. A fuel which costs five cents per mile after subsidies is more expensive than a fuel which costs five cents per mile after taxes. Just because you don't feel like you're paying more at the pump doesn't mean you aren't. Taxes still come out of your pocket, either directly, or in the form of taxes on the rich, who then pass it along to you in the form of reduced income and/or benefits.
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2. Hydrogen does not exist in a pure form on Earth; it is simply too reactive. Cracking water to get it takes more energy than using it will produce, so you still need another source of energy. Other methods of extracting hydrogen still create pollution, such as cracking hydrocarbons.
Hydrogen is the most abundant form of fuel. it may be more feasible to split the hydrogen in space than on earth. solar power in space and shuttling the hydrogen back to earth may become more economical than producing it on earth. unmanned shuttles can automate space transportation of hydrogen.

i tend to think outside of the box. solar doesn't pollute or use earth resources. there are many areas on earth where the skies are clear all year round.

nuclear is also another power source for generating hydrogen. i see no reason why radioactive waste can't be used as a fuel source.

if all else fails, there's always the matrix energy source.

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