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Toyota won't help U.S. rivals

TOKYO (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp. said Tuesday it will not raise its car prices to help U.S. rivals, breaking with its chairman's comments a day earlier that voluntary price increases and other steps were in order to help restore health to the U.S. auto industry.

"Our basic stance is that prices are something for the market to determine," a spokesman at Japan's top auto manufacturer said.

"We are not thinking about changing (vehicle) prices in order to help the U.S. auto industry."

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Ok... but until they start making the cars & trucks to fit people over 5'5" then maybe I will start looking into them...
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Very few Toyota's I would even consider.

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Why not? I hate to break it to all of you, but there is not one single automobile on this earth anymore that is completely built in the US. Not to mention, Toyota, Honda, etc etc all have plants assembly plants here now and a majority of their cars here in the US, are built in the US because it costs too much to ship them over here. All of the automotives are forcing suppliers to cut prices and driving them to off-shore companies in places like Mexico, China, Korea, etc.

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It honestly doesn't have anything to do with Toyota or Honda, etc.
I would buy a Vette before a turbo Supra
And the small trucks are to small, the big trucks are ugly.
Just my.
Almost every Auto manufacture makes something I like and would drive.
So, actually there are only very few models that I would buy from anybody.

Where the parts are made is one of my favorite arguments to a die hard Harley guy.

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True, very true (on the Harley guy thing). I'm with you on what I'd actually buy.

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Why not? I hate to break it to all of you, but there is not one single automobile on this earth anymore that is completely built in the US. Not to mention, Toyota, Honda, etc etc all have plants assembly plants here now and a majority of their cars here in the US, are built in the US because it costs too much to ship them over here. All of the automotives are forcing suppliers to cut prices and driving them to off-shore companies in places like Mexico, China, Korea, etc.


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i dont knwo dude a twin turbo supra can be one he!!a fast car. n very nice looking. but they are all made for small ppl.

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Some of those cars are nice but you can't sell me on the foriegn truck thing...




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Gee, maybe US automakers should LOWER their prices???? Duh? Nah, that would be stupid.

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Gee, maybe US automakers should LOWER their prices???? Duh? Nah, that would be stupid.
kinda talk is that!! Come POD you're smarter than that!! LMAO!




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The problem is that US car makers are getting a Walmart mentality. Car buyers want quality, like Honda or Toyota, or perceived quality, like Mercedes. Can you remember when Yugo's came out in the 80's? Cheap, unreliable transportation. I haven't seen one in 10 years or more. The car makers price crying sounds a lot like Harley did in the 80's.

And the size thing. At the auto show last month, I sat in the vette and Honda S2000. They felt great, but the price was high. I looked at the price of the Toyota MR2 and it was half the Honda. A young man was sitting in the car. I asked him how it felt. "Great" he said. He got out and his head just about reached my shoulder. I sat in the MR2 and with the seat all the way back, my knees hit the steering wheel.
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kinda talk is that!! Come POD you're smarter than that!! LMAO!

Haha, I know, its crazy talk. I must be out of it this morning. (yeah yeah, afternoon)

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but if they build a car the proper size half the popluation couldnt be able to reach the damn peddles!



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The big 3 wants to maintain quality at the expense of costs. I have worked on programs across all three major OEM's and the push has always been "cut costs, cut costs wherever necessary" without affecting quality. It is extremely difficult for a supplier to reduce costs (i.e. tooling, purchase prices, etc.) by even a dollar across many platforms. Well, you can't have it both ways. The times have gotten so bad that even the "one touch down" feature is on the chopping block.

Futhermore, the industry as well as the economy is jacked-up and no one is buying cars/trucks for various reasons. The OEM's are now scrambling to meet bottom lines and appease shareholders.
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Even though Toyota won't raise their prices to help U.S. rivals, Toyoya puts A LOT of money in their communities where their plants are. I just moved from Georgetown KY where the Camry, and Avalon are made. Toyota basically funds everything in that town, from schools to any event. I am sure Ford and GM do the same in their communities too.
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The problem is that US car makers are getting a Walmart mentality. Car buyers want quality, like Honda or Toyota, or perceived quality, like Mercedes. Can you remember when Yugo's came out in the 80's? Cheap, unreliable transportation. I haven't seen one in 10 years or more. The car makers price crying sounds a lot like Harley did in the 80's.

And the size thing. At the auto show last month, I sat in the vette and Honda S2000. They felt great, but the price was high. I looked at the price of the Toyota MR2 and it was half the Honda. A young man was sitting in the car. I asked him how it felt. "Great" he said. He got out and his head just about reached my shoulder. I sat in the MR2 and with the seat all the way back, my knees hit the steering wheel.
Yes and lets not forget the the big three are sitting on millions of retired workers that are sleeping on fat pension funds since retirement and paying their current UAW workers big time bucks to secure a bolt. As a company it's hard to shell out that much cash to your retired workforce and your current workforce and not have to pay for it someplace. Meanwhile you have the japs (I would never buy their cars 'don't tell Cale' regardless of their quality claims) that are paying a much lower hourly rate both overseas and domestically and aren't sitting on millions of retirees and fat UAW contracts.

And Yes - Chev hit the nail on the head. Almost every car and manufacturer is cross pollinated with Japanese, Chinese, Mexican, Canadian, and the occasional US made part or laborer at some point during it's build.

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Since Americans support global economy, manufacturing jobs will be sent to countries who offer cheapest labor, other costs ect.
As Toyota said let market determine prices. Americans better get used to working for $1 hour if they want to compete with Asian countries.
Americans better wake up if they think big business these days is looking after average working American. Profit at any cost to American economy and people is name of game these days
My advice teach your kids Asian language to give them a chance in the future

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