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Illegal Immigrants Can Cash in on American Dream

Wait a minute!!! I get stopped and given a $75.00 ticket for a seatbelt violation...and these people want to take tax money from citizens and do this??? ... ...

Madison, Wisconsin

Undocumented workers who are taking steps toward citizenship can now apply for housing assistance.

Tuesday night, in a vote of 15-4, a majority of the Madison Common Council signed off on a resolution allowing undocumented workers to apply for low-interest housing loans through the city Community Development Block Grant programs.

One stipulation, workers must have an individual tax identification number (ITIN), meaning they pay federal taxes, to apply for a loan.

Opponents say city leaders shouldn't condone illegal activity, by supporting those who don't follow immigration laws.

But supporters say the idea is supported by HUD, the US Department of Housing and Urban Development. They also say the issue isn't about immigration, it's about providing an equal opportunity for those who live and work in Madison.

Although the resolution passed, the debate isn't over.

State Senator Glenn Grothman says he intends to add an amendment to Senate Bill 43, which is aimed at stopping the Wisconsin Housing and Economic Development Authority (WHEDA) from following similar guidelines.

The amendment would counteract Madison's resolution.
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How funny....see my reply in your other thread about the new mayor of L.A.

We are already overrun by illegal aliens, and now they want to give them benefits too.

Bush is already trying to institute the illegal immigrant good worker program. Three yrs in the U.S. (employed) and you get a green card.

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Hold ON!!!

They are ILLEGAL people! Doesn't that word mean anything!!

Close the F'in gates and shut them out!! Take all the ILLEGAL imigrants and kick them out!! This is BS! We have too many hard working people here that can't make ends meat anyway!!

I swear I hate this ulta liberal CRAP! I don't know if I'm ever going to make it to 30 as a free man. One of these days I'm going to come across one of these idiots and I swear I'mg going to smash their head in!!




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And the best part....they qualify for loans that you or I don't.

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Illegal immigrants have been making their way into US for years and seem to only become a "major" issue post 9-11. It has gotten to the point that English is becoming a second language but I get more heated at those that take advantage of benefits (federal/state/city) that target certain demographics deemed truly needy.
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Well my issue with it stems from way before 9-11!!




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Well my issue with it stems from way before 9-11!!
lol, I hear ya, same here...waaaaayyyyy before.

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Wait till Jesse Jackson and the ACLU get wind of this.
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I swear I hate this ulta liberal CRAP!
The problem is .. it's not just the liberals.

The Liberals want it because ... um, well, they're liberals.

The conservatives/republicans want it because the big business want nice cheap labor.

Meanwhile, our job market and economy go in the toilet.

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Yeah that is kind of strange...most of the big companies target their marketing towards the "blue collar" working families. Who are they going to sell Boats and Jetskis and HD boat anchors, and plasma TV's to when they have sent all of the "blue Collar" jobs to the Pacific Rim?
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You may be right Brian but it still sucks!!!

CLOSE THE DAMN DOORS!




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Correct, big business only reason we have Illegal imigrants. Bush could stop illegal imigrant problem, IF HE WANTED
All you have to do is sieze farms, have $million fines for businesses who employee illegals
Bush must be supporting all those liberal big business owners


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They are ILLEGAL people! Doesn't that word mean anything!!

Close the F'in gates and shut them out!! Take all the ILLEGAL imigrants and kick them out!! This is BS! We have too many hard working people here that can't make ends meat anyway!!

I swear I hate this ulta liberal CRAP! I don't know if I'm ever going to make it to 30 as a free man. One of these days I'm going to come across one of these idiots and I swear I'mg going to smash their head in!!

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Some of you guys just dont get it. This country was populated with people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families! There is no arguing that. If they want to come here for a better life, then let them. Yes some bad eggs are gonna migrate over as well but so what, its not any worse than whats already here. If your really concerned about them working for cheaper and taking your jobs then fight the companies who abuse it. And having had a Mexican working for me who was trying to get citizenship forced me to realize that we take advantage of to much, and he just wanted a little. By the way, best worker I ever had.
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We don't need any help promoting to get them here.
We need help catching them and sending them home.

Yea there good workers.
They don't want you to complain and seed them back.

I am not a predigest person but, I take offence to anybody dumb enough to take a job paying 1/2 of the going rate.
Most of the Illegal do this because the boss's know they are and take advantage of it.

You want a fair & equal work force?
Right your congress and tell them how you fell.
If enough do it, we will eventually see results.

I remember seeing some where back in the mid 90's a statement that I believe is coming true.

It said something like;
By the year 2025 the Spanish nationality would be the dominant race in the US.

Our government must have saw that and are trying to make it happen!

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Don't kid yourselves....we need migrant workers... Americans don't want to and won't do farm/manual (or whatever you want to call it) labor for $5/hr.

And if we stopped total immigration and paid higher wages, that basket of strawberries would cost $10 instead of $2....

We just need better control of the immigration process and we're getting there...take it from a guy who does this for a living.

My beef is making them pay taxes and for the benefits they receive. This country puts out over $8 billion a yr for illegal immigrant health and welfare. That's just f'n ridiculous.

Okay...I'm done now thanks.

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Some of you guys just dont get it. This country was populated with people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families! There is no arguing that. If they want to come here for a better life, then let them.

Yes, including my family (we've only been here since the late 1800s on my mom's side).

The difference is ... they immegrated legally.

We're talking about illegal immigrants here ... not legal ones.

The difference is that legal immigrants get paid at least min wage and pay taxes. Illegal immigrants enter the country illegally, are paid under the table, and do not pay taxes.

There's a BIG difference, and I fail to see why people who enter this country illegally should receive anything but a boot back out, nevermind supporting them with my tax dollars.

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We don't need any help promoting to get them here.
We need help catching them and sending them home.

Yea there good workers.
They don't want you to complain and seed them back.

I am not a predigest person but, I take offence to anybody dumb enough to take a job paying 1/2 of the going rate.
Most of the Illegal do this because the boss's know they are and take advantage of it.

You want a fair & equal work force?
Right your congress and tell them how you fell.
If enough do it, we will eventually see results.

I remember seeing some where back in the mid 90's a statement that I believe is coming true.

It said something like;
By the year 2025 the Spanish nationality would be the dominant race in the US.

Our government must have saw that and are trying to make it happen!
Do you know any illegal imigrants? Are you assuming that I was not paying the guy im talking about what I would pay anyone else? He made more money than most of the people who worked for me, because he deserved it! A 20 year old man who supported a family of 4 on his income alone, I respect that and find it hard to believe that anyone else wouldnt. The will to survive makes people do illegal things but does not make them bad people. If your family is starving and there is no work for you, what would you do? Yes we do need these kind of hard working family loving people! The government just needs to make it easier for them to become legal citizens so they can pay into the system like the rest of us.
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It's easy to take a liberal stand up North, move to Texas or Arizona and see if your view changes.

Go to Pittsburgh, Texas where the school district is in the red b/c of the migrant's children from the local poultry factory. They can't afford to buy new books, kids are in portable buildings b/c the mass population growth hasn't been met by an influx of tax money.

Go to Houston Texas, where there are certain parts of the city where people of all races are scared to drive b/c undocumented aliens drive the streets with no insurance and no identification, and if you are hit there is no recourse b/c there is no way to track them. Also, some take advantage of their inablility to be tracked and victimize people, giving false names etc.

Ask someone who has had their ID stolen by an illegal using their Social Security number to procure credit.

Illegal Aliens cost the state of AZ 1 billion dollars last year in provided health care.

Having lived in TX for 23 years, I have seen the immediate problem where the magnitude of the problem is at it's greatest. It's easy to have a sympathetic view when you aren't taxed with seeing the issues first hand.
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