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post #41 of 65 (permalink) Old 03-24-2006, 05:00 AM
 
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First of all....

As far as reliability...I own a 92 Suzuki GSXR 750. It's got 27k miles and still runs super strong. It's much like a car in that you get out what you put in. Treat it well and it lasts pretty much forever. Routine maintenence. Oil, brakes, suspension, tuneups, etc. Any solid repair manual will outline the routine maintenence and the intervals.

Honda's are notoriously bullet proof from what I've heard, but they pretty much all are...as long as you take care of them.

As for beginner bikes...I'm going to assume you read the first post in this thread. Take it to heart. Fact is you COULD go out and buy absolutely any bike your heart desires. But if you want to do it right, stay safe, and live a longer life then you will do it in steps.

First of all...TAKE THE MSF COURSE! It's a tremendous tool for beginners. You will learn alot about how the bike works and the handling properties. Then look for a bike. Maybe a ninja500 or even a 250. Or perhaps if you feel comfortable something a little bigger...SV650, Kawi 650.

But please, dont run out and buy a race replica 600 or bigger bike. They can kill you with the slightest mistake. (these are the Suzuki GSXR's, Honda CBR's, Yamaha YZF-r6 or r1, Kawasaki ZX-6r...)



There are alot of people on here who will help you if you just ask. Stick around and keep us posted.



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post #42 of 65 (permalink) Old 03-24-2006, 10:02 AM
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okay I'm totally noobie here. I know nothing about bikes but I've been a car enthusiast my whole life so I'm mechanically inclined.
Can someone help me answer some of these questions

Are bikes reliable compared to cars? How many miles do you run on them on average before they crap out?

Is there a more reliable brand than the other? Like honda or toyota cars are superior in reliability compared to say...daewoo or something.
so honda suzuki kawasaki or yahama?

Is there lots of maintenence with them? I heard you have to change the oil and other stuff every 600 miles.

I know this question has somewhat been answered in this forum but what do you guys recommend as a first beginner bike. I'm asking because I don't even know how to shop for a bike, what I should look for or what high for milage or what would make it to be in good shape.

any help would be great, this is only my 2nd post so please be nice mods.
First...

Like Marko said... if you take care of it...it will last a long time.

Brands... any of the jap bikes will be easy to own and reliable as long as you take care of them. They are all about the same, as far as brands. And yes Honda makes a nice one, of coarse they do... they make a nice motor is about anything they do... from a generator, lawn mower, car, bike, ect...

Maintance... on most sportbikes all you really have is oil changes, chain adjustment/lube, tire press check, every few years brakes & tires... nothing really bad.

As far as a beginner bike... look thru the beginers corner.




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First...

Like Marko said... if you take care of it...it will last a long time.

Brands... any of the jap bikes will be easy to own and reliable as long as you take care of them. They are all about the same, as far as brands. And yes Honda makes a nice one, of coarse they do... they make a nice motor is about anything they do... from a generator, lawn mower, car, bike, ect...

Maintance... on most sportbikes all you really have is oil changes, chain adjustment/lube, tire press check, every few years brakes & tires... nothing really bad.

As far as a beginner bike... look thru the beginers corner.
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That pretty well sums it up except the 600 mile oil change is only for new bikes and goes to normal just like a car afterwards. If you run it hard all the time. You might want to change more frequently. Valve adjustments intervals and every thing else for that matter will be listed in the owners manual as to recommended mileage. Chain, tires and breaks will vary depending on riding style and mileage rather than years also.

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post #44 of 65 (permalink) Old 03-25-2006, 03:46 AM
 
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First...

Like Marko said... if you take care of it...it will last a long time.

Brands... any of the jap bikes will be easy to own and reliable as long as you take care of them. They are all about the same, as far as brands. And yes Honda makes a nice one, of coarse they do... they make a nice motor is about anything they do... from a generator, lawn mower, car, bike, ect...

Maintance... on most sportbikes all you really have is oil changes, chain adjustment/lube, tire press check, every few years brakes & tires... nothing really bad.

As far as a beginner bike... look thru the beginers corner.
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That pretty well sums it up except the 600 mile oil change is only for new bikes and goes to normal just like a car afterwards. If you run it hard all the time. You might want to change more frequently. Valve adjustments intervals and every thing else for that matter will be listed in the owners manual as to recommended mileage. Chain, tires and breaks will vary depending on riding style and mileage rather than years also.
take care of things and they will last!
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Agree!

Yes, I will post my experience as "case in point". When I first started I bought a used Katana 600 but never had a chance to ride it before I got my license and traded it in on a new one, now granted it was only a Ninja 650r but it was plenty of bike once I got it out of the dealership. Ok so I drive for several months no drops no nothing, I must say at thsi point Im feeling pretty good. Then one day Im going to work, coming out of my driveway and I dropped it right in front of my house. I stood there pi$$ed, shaking, sick to my stomach and confused. Not because I felt somewhat ashamed but because I just scratched up my $6,000 toy....Later that very same week I kissed a curb with my tire and dropped it on the other side.. ..Since then I've not had a relapse but my point is this....Man am I glad I only spent 6k on that bike...the ZX-11 I really wanted was twice that.
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Yes, I will post my experience as "case in point". When I first started I bought a used Katana 600 but never had a chance to ride it before I got my license and traded it in on a new one, now granted it was only a Ninja 650r but it was plenty of bike once I got it out of the dealership. Ok so I drive for several months no drops no nothing, I must say at thsi point Im feeling pretty good. Then one day Im going to work, coming out of my driveway and I dropped it right in front of my house. I stood there pi$$ed, shaking, sick to my stomach and confused. Not because I felt somewhat ashamed but because I just scratched up my $6,000 toy....Later that very same week I kissed a curb with my tire and dropped it on the other side.. ..Since then I've not had a relapse but my point is this....Man am I glad I only spent 6k on that bike...the ZX-11 I really wanted was twice that.
And imagine what shape you and your bike would be in if you bought that zx11.



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amen brother

your right brother, though i do have 15 years dirt experience it was still surprised by my 06 gixxer 6 thanks for the advice and keep it shiny side up.
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Well, the weather is warming up, and the main posts in the beginner's section all sound pretty much the same:

"I've ridden (dirt bikes, a little, none at all, twenty years ago; you pick which applies) and I want to know which bike to buy".

First off, there is no "best" bike to have....almost any bike is better than no bike, in my opinion.

With one exception:

If you stick around here long enough, you'll read threads from people who ask:" I've never ridden, but I REALLY want that 180 hp Suyamawakida 1400cc 220mph Ninjabusa R12ZX. I know you people are all pansies who think I should start on some little 120 hp, 165mph 600 pansie SuperSport bike, but, even though I've never thrown a leg over one, I KNOW I'm a better rider than most of you, and I'm confident I can handle it. What do you think?"

I think you'll either trash the bike or yourself in the first two days, or you'll scare the bujesus out of yourself and end up letting it sit in the garage for two years 'till the carbs are munged up and the tires are flat-spotted and the fork seals start to weep. And I'll end up buying it from you for real cheap and fixing it, like I do 3-4 times a year.

My advice; unless you're made out of money, buy something in the 250-500 area that runs well, but won't break your bank or your heart if you dump it; 'cause the odds are, as a new rider, that you WILL dump it. The specific bike DOESN"T MATTER....it's your LEARNING bike. You're going to LEARN how to ride; you're going to LEARN if you even LIKE this sport or not. Many don't.

Many crash once and get hurt, a little or a lot, and decide that they'd rather hangglide or freeclimb. They maybe don't crash, but they barely avoid being some clown's hood ornament on I95, and decide that an M1 Abrams is more suited to commuting. Even more find out that the freedom of being out in the elements also means being out in the wind, the pouring rain, the sleet, the unexpected 40 degree temperature drop, and want none of it.

So why bite off more than you need to, both money wise, and size wise, until you're certain that this IS for you. Because believe you me, buying the biggest and the baddest right off is going to handicap your riding. How's That, you say?

Modern day high performance steetbikes are like NOTHING you've ever experienced, save driving a Formula One race car, or maybe a 20 year old funny car. I'm NOT kidding; the power to weight ratios are about the same, the sensitivity to rider intputs is about the same, and the ability to create mayhem in the hands of a novice is about the same. Some of the top-of-the-line sportbikes will turn 9's in the quarter mile,with top speeds pushing 200 mph right out of the crate. They are also heavy, top heavy, touchy and handle akwardly at low speeds, like in parking lots, city streets and in the driveway, where you are most likely to dump it.

So, you say, "what should I buy?"

Stick with a 600cc upper limit, and remember that todays cutting edge 600's are almost as fast, but even twitchier and less forgiving than the open class bikes. A better choice is in the 250-500 range- 250 for smaller, lighter riders, 500's and older 600's for larger riders, or those with a little or dirt experience. So how do you pick?

Go to the local dealerships, and sit on a bunch of bikes (leave your money and "signing pen" at home, and tell the saleman you're just looking). Your object is not to pick out your bike today; it's to find out what feels right and fits you. Sit on as many bikes as they'll let you; sit on sportbikes, cruisers, naked bikes and tourers. Find out if you can touch the ground with the bike straight up and down....if you can't, move on to something else. Get a feel for what works for you and what doesn't. If you have to stretch to reach the bars, or lean the bike 10 degrees as each stop, you'll end up working harder at the basics of control, when you should be working on refining your riding.

Now go read the Sunday want ads for used bikes, and pick out a couple of the bikes you think you might be interested in. Call the seller and MAKE AN APPOINTMENT. When the time comes, LEAVE YOUR MONEY AT HOME. Your object is not to buy the bike today, it's to gather more intel. You need to sit on a few more bikes, and get a feel for the market and prices. If you're like me, you'll be tempted to make an offer (I hardly ever met a bike I didn't like). Resist it! Make some notes to yourself after each visit, noting the bike, the price, condition, and the cost of any work that needs to be done.

When you get home, check out the NADA website, and also KBB.com for relative prices on the year, make and model of the bikes you're interested in. These are not written in stone; bikes very GREATLY as to milage, condition, and local market forces, but these will give you some guide. Don't forget to budget money for gear (Helmet, jacket, gloves and boots, minimum) and training.

When you've made your decision to buy, take along a knowledgable rider, if you have such a luxury. They can point out problems with the bike you may have missed.

Good luck, and have fun and we'll see 'ya out there.
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I have been riding my gsf500 for about a year and want to move up but is the 600 that much of a difference most people I talk to say get the 750 but everywhere I have read about the gsxr 750 2006 they say it's a beast I am only sport riding and commuting to work but would like to hit the track in the future what do you guys think.
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I have been riding my gsf500 for about a year and want to move up but is the 600 that much of a difference most people I talk to say get the 750 but everywhere I have read about the gsxr 750 2006 they say it's a beast I am only sport riding and commuting to work but would like to hit the track in the future what do you guys think.
Time isn't a factor. Mileage is. Only you truly know if your ready for the jump and a big jump it will be. IMO the 750 is a liter bike minus the top speed. So, don't ask yourself if your ready. You'll know. Just be honest with yourself.

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good point i put a lot of miles on my bike and ride with friends and family alot and am feeling real slow compared to them at takeoff not midrange i can keep up fairly well i will have to see
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good point i put a lot of miles on my bike and ride with friends and family alot and am feeling real slow compared to them at takeoff not midrange i can keep up fairly well i will have to see
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to bad i didnt read this 2 days ago
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to bad i didnt read this 2 days ago
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is that the reason for the name?


so what did you buy?
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yeah thats the reason behind the name. LOL I bought a 2002 honda 954 in tip top condition. Man im here to tell anyone thats just starting or hasnt rode in years do not go out and buy the deal of a life, all tricked out liter bike.. it makes it hard to learn on. im saying this from my experiences im having now. research everything before you buy a bike as i did not till i already paid for mine.
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so whats the best bike for a newbie that owns a 125cc scooter which i ride everyday

should i get 250 or 599cc

im looking for a good looking newbie bike anything that looks better than a ninja 250 is good i would also consider good looking used bike
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for those people who rides a ninja 250r how much do you guys pay for your insurance by the way i dont have my m1 license yet but have a clean c class record since i got it 2 years ago
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I rode dirt bike as a kid. I'm 31 now and finally decided to get a sport bike. I bought the 500 Ninja, and think it does good for a little bike. And I'm 6 foot and 230 pounds. When I'm ready I will move up 2 the 600
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I read almost this entire, 3 page, post. And, I still dont know where i stand. I dont know which bike would be best for me to start out on given my other driving experiences...

I grew up riding other people's dirtbikes when i was a kid. I could just jump on a 450 (without ever having ridden anything else) and pull the front tires in every gear. Call it natural talent or sheer stupidity, i just always felt comfortable on (or in) motored vehicles.

I currently drive a drag race car which is quite faster than most stock street bikes. Of which, i just jumped in and drove. The car goes high 7's in the quarter mile in the 170+mph range. I regularly race at a local dragstrip in San Diego which is an 1/8 mile track where i run consistent 5.30's and 5.20's wheelstanding to half track every pass.

As i said, i live in San Diego so i dont have to worry about weird weather. And, my car's paid off which i would keep for those rainy days or if i needed to transport something. So, im not worried about not sticking with the whole motorcycle thing.

I would be mostly riding for transportation on wide, open roads where the speed limit is 40. Its like that all the way from my house or my work.

Of course the first thing i want to do is go buy a 1000... for room to grow of course... but, after reading all these posts, I think that i want to think this through and talk to some experienced riders (such as yourselves) a little more...

I am very curious to hear your thoughts with my prior background.

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New 08 250r

Has anyone taken a ride on this bike. I really want something for to and from work...no stunts! Just fun but I would like alot of speed. For the first year or two I want to start off small and then get a 600 or 750...the new ninja looks great! ...but IS it great?
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fro the sake of the 08 ninja 250R the insurance price for me is roughly 230 a year, the test rides I have been on are great, but then again I am new to riding. As for looks the new 08 looks mean to me. I am only 2 midgets above 5 feet so the larger bikes dont work cause I sit on them with the tips of my toes BARELY touching the floor so I work with what I can the 08 Ninja 250R but I still love her.
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