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post #41 of 66 (permalink) Old 11-14-2006, 06:27 PM
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Everytime we go out to eat and drink after riding the dragon all day it is in TN. Gas was bought in both TN and NC. Multiply that by an assload of people that the dragon draws, between motorcyclists, drivers, bicyclists, whatever, it adds up to a lot for both economies.
Where do you buy all this from? It's all little mom and pop facilities. That amount of monetary loss is not nearly even close to the amount of money saved in gas and time by having a quicker route available to commercial vehicles. The economy you are talking about is almost worthless to the companies that would use it as an interstate. You are talking pennies vs billions. You would still have restaurants and gas stations along the route. Even as a tourist attraction, the dragon does not do much at all economically to what it competes against in the vacinity of it. If we left our hobby out of this and looked at this from a completely economical view; the state, the surrounding area, and the federal government would benefit more from an interstate than a tourist destination. Plus, big business runs this country and could easily push this route if they wanted it. You are kidding yourself if you think a bunch of mom and pop stores could stop them. Hell, the government allows private industry to take your home if it is for the betterment of the area and an interstate would be way beyond justified to use imminent domain.

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Oh, Im sorry, I didn't know TN was in such great financial shape that it could just throw money away....

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Oh, Im sorry, I didn't know TN was in such great financial shape that it could just throw money away....
If you think the interstate would bring in less money than the Gap. You are kidding yourself.

It's like mom and pop vs wal-mart. We all know who wins... Did you take basic economics in school?

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Why did someone dig up this old post.
To get more votes I imagine
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Right, but to have both would be win-win situation, and like you said, they will probably figure out a way to have both anyway.

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Right, but to have both would be win-win situation, and like you said, they will probably figure out a way to have both anyway.
They have alternate routes in the plan, it is not the only route. Last map I saw had at least 2 that wouldn't interfere with the dragon. Enviromentalists are pushing to keep it further south away from the dragon because the dragon borders the edge of the national park which has a huge pollution problem. I don't see this effecting us for a long time to come even if it stays on the dragon's route. I think we will have to worry about overflow from the other tourist destinations around it before the interstate. Which would be just as bad to sit in bumper to bumper traffic on one of the best roads in America.

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True true, but at least then there's always the 5:30 am waiting for first light ride, before all the traffic sets in. We are thinking of hitting that Georgia Loop that was recently in that Iteam report next time we take a trip down that way. Ever gone there?

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True true, but at least then there's always the 5:30 am waiting for first light ride, before all the traffic sets in. We are thinking of hitting that Georgia Loop that was recently in that Iteam report next time we take a trip down that way. Ever gone there?
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the loop is cool I grew up in fannin county so highway 60 is the first road i ever rode or drove on. the dragon is safe they discuss the inerstate here all the time
my local congressman zach wamp is a huge proponet of it but it has yet to be proven enviromently feasible so some laws will have to change for it to happen.
funny to think of bikers and granola eaters on the same side.
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the loop is cool I grew up in fannin county so highway 60 is the first road i ever rode or drove on. the dragon is safe they discuss the inerstate here all the time
my local congressman zach wamp is a huge proponet of it but it has yet to be proven enviromently feasible so some laws will have to change for it to happen.
funny to think of bikers and granola eaters on the same side.
Yeah, I think the enviromentalists have more of a argument than bikers too. The bikers should go in from the same angle as not to pollute the smokies even further because it has a stronger argument to it than we want to keep this twisty road as a public racetrack for tourists.

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Yeah, I think the enviromentalists have more of a argument than bikers too. The bikers should go in from the same angle as not to pollute the smokies even further because it has a stronger argument to it than we want to keep this twisty road as a public racetrack for tourists.
I never even looked at it from a tourist POV for enjoying the road as a road.

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Is Deal's Gap even worth going to now? A lot of people I have talked to said it sucks because it's full of weekend warrior Harley and BMW riders who put around. And that the place is swamped with cops. They all now ride the Suches and Dahlonoga loop and say they like it much better.

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Is Deal's Gap even worth going to now? A lot of people I have talked to said it sucks because it's full of weekend warrior Harley and BMW riders who put around. And that the place is swamped with cops. They all now ride the Suches and Dahlonoga loop and say they like it much better.

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Don't come to the gap and tell all your friends not to come to the gap. Stay away for at least 10 years.

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Don't come to the gap and tell all your friends not to come to the gap. Stay away for at least 10 years.
Yeah so all the businesses close down and they can build the highway. Tourism is a necessary evil at these kinds of places.

I remember awhile getting told im idiot about the idea that the state would want to put a highway there. Doesnt sound so stupid now huh?

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can we get a update about what is going on down there?



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Don't come to the gap and tell all your friends not to come to the gap. Stay away for at least 10 years.
yeah that way trip and kyle (i think) can have it to themselves.
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Yeah so all the businesses close down and they can build the highway. Tourism is a necessary evil at these kinds of places.

I remember awhile getting told im idiot about the idea that the state would want to put a highway there. Doesnt sound so stupid now huh?
If they want the interstate through there, it is going to come tourism or not. Tennessee doesn't give a s**t about the drop in a bucket the dragon brings in tourism when just under an hour away they have 8 lanes of highway bumper to bumper for miles filled with tourists bringing in enormous amounts of cash for the state. The dragon brings in very little money to Tennessee, it is more of a concern to rural NC folks. The only thing that can come even close to stopping it, is the national park stepping in and not wanting another major interstate bordering the park and destroying it even more due to the pollution.

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can we get a update about what is going on down there?
Not worth the trip if you are wanting to ride the dragon at a semi decent pace during daylight hours. They have been known to be there from 8am to 8pm pretty much now.

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yeah that way trip and kyle (i think) can have it to themselves.
Actually, so the cops have it to themselves and run their budget f**king dry by not giving them reasons to write tickets.

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