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I have a question for all the Military folks who ride to and from work

What is the process for when you ride? When I enlist I'll be required to stay in a barracks for a few years. So the only time I'll be able to leave is when I'm off-duty. I see guys riding around with their uniform on and I'm wondering if I'll be able to put on motorcycle equipment and whatnot. Thanks.
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I'm in the Army Nat'l Guard, so it's a little less strict on uniform things, so I put on my gear over my uniform.

I know when we were activated, the on post requirements were that you HAD to wear a helmet, a reflective belt/strap, long sleeves and gloves.
That was at Ft. Riley KS, not sure about others

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Its easy..Gloves, Helmet (DOT) approved, Over the ankle boots. Your military boots will work fine. And reflective gear. I use my PTvest. I wear sunglasses under my helmet. So i can leave my visor up. You also need a riders course and the post decals for the bike.
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Its easy..Gloves, Helmet (DOT) approved, Over the ankle boots. Your military boots will work fine. And reflective gear. I use my PTvest. I wear sunglasses under my helmet. So i can leave my visor up. You also need a riders course and the post decals for the bike.
PT Vest? I've heard about wearing reflective gear and I know plenty of people take it off after they're out of sight. I'm not entirely sure what the rules are for Active Duty military as far as off-dtuy and wearing a uniform. If I know that I can decide if I have to wear safety gear over my uniform or if I can change out.

Also, do you think the Military issued boots will have as much protection as these?
http://www.alpinestars.com/SMX_Plus_...1/p/20512.html

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PT Vest? I've heard about wearing reflective gear and I know plenty of people take it off after they're out of sight. I'm not entirely sure what the rules are for Active Duty military as far as off-dtuy and wearing a uniform. If I know that I can decide if I have to wear safety gear over my uniform or if I can change out.

Also, do you think the Military issued boots will have as much protection as these?
http://www.alpinestars.com/SMX_Plus_...1/p/20512.html
Most guys wear uniforms when they ride to and from work. If you want, you can wear riding gears to work and then change out (assuming that there is a facility for you to do this), or you can wear overgears like Aerostitch suit and take it off when you get to work.

And yes, you must have reflective vest on while you're on post. I'm glad to see that some things haven't changed much since I left fifteen years ago.

On the weekends, you can wear your riding gears but you still have to have the reflective vest on while on post. When you get off post, you can wear whatever you like.

The military boots are no better or worse than a typical heavy duty work boots that many people wear for street riding.

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PT Vest? I've heard about wearing reflective gear and I know plenty of people take it off after they're out of sight. I'm not entirely sure what the rules are for Active Duty military as far as off-dtuy and wearing a uniform. If I know that I can decide if I have to wear safety gear over my uniform or if I can change out.

Also, do you think the Military issued boots will have as much protection as these?
http://www.alpinestars.com/SMX_Plus_...1/p/20512.html
I ride from the barricks to my workplace daily here in RI. I wear Helmet, gloves, Mesh kawasaki jacket with reflective material in the piping and logos, jeans, and tennis shoes. Over the ankle boots are not required to Navy personel, they are recommended. The only requirement for footwear is that it be sturdy. As far as the vest.........The jacket has reflective material built in so I don't have to worry about wearing it at night.
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PT Vest? I've heard about wearing reflective gear and I know plenty of people take it off after they're out of sight. I'm not entirely sure what the rules are for Active Duty military as far as off-dtuy and wearing a uniform. If I know that I can decide if I have to wear safety gear over my uniform or if I can change out.

Also, do you think the Military issued boots will have as much protection as these?
http://www.alpinestars.com/SMX_Plus_...1/p/20512.html
I wear my desert boots. And as for a PT vest..A road guard vest or a PT belt will work as well..
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I wear my desert boots. And as for a PT vest..A road guard vest or a PT belt will work as well..
Will I get into trouble if I wear say, during duty hours,....a leather riding jacket overtop my uniform, then take it off whenever I get where I am going?

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I forgot Brizz got banned, I just thought he was on a self decided holiday.

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Its easy..Gloves, Helmet (DOT) approved, Over the ankle boots. Your military boots will work fine. And reflective gear. I use my PTvest. I wear sunglasses under my helmet. So i can leave my visor up. You also need a riders course and the post decals for the bike.
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PT Vest? I've heard about wearing reflective gear and I know plenty of people take it off after they're out of sight. I'm not entirely sure what the rules are for Active Duty military as far as off-dtuy and wearing a uniform. If I know that I can decide if I have to wear safety gear over my uniform or if I can change out.

Also, do you think the Military issued boots will have as much protection as these?
http://www.alpinestars.com/SMX_Plus_...1/p/20512.html
Briz is correct. There are Department of Defense and Department of the Army regulations / pamphlets governing the riding of motorcycles on military installations.

You MUST wear:

1. Helmet (at least DOT approved)
2. Eye coverage (not necessarily a visor, but you can wear goggles / shatter-proof glasses)
3. Full finger gloves
4. Over the ankle, preferably ALL-Leather boots but regular issue boots / work boots that you wear with your uniform will be fine.
5. Reflective VEST (either like a road-guard vest or the vest Icon makes)
6. Full length sleeve shirt (not necessarily a jacket, but can be a sweatshirt or something like that, just has to have sleeves that come down to your wrist)

If you take off your gear when you leave the base and something happens, or you DO NOT wear it when you are off duty and something happens, you will NOT be able to collect on benefits because you were not following regulations. I HAVE SEEN THIS DONE BEFORE TO PARENTS/FAMILY OF SERVICE MEMBERS WHO HAVE DIED ON A MOTORCYCLE

I actually have a friend here on Fort Bliss, that rode without proper gear, he got into an accident, not terribly hurt, but his chain of command found out how he was riding (without proper gear) and gave him an Article 15 as well as made him pay for the hospital bills.

A reflective belt, like what most units wear for PT, IS NOT AUTHORIZED WEAR for 'reflective clothing' on a motorcycle. If you also have a backpack when you ride on or off the base, you MUST put a reflective vest around the bag as well as yourself. The only way I've been able to get around that, and is authorized, is to cut up a reflective belt and then have a person with a sewing machine sew the belt onto my backpack.

If you have other questions, let me know. I deal with the DoD regulations and riding a motorcycle on a daily basis.
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Most guys wear uniforms when they ride to and from work. If you want, you can wear riding gears to work and then change out (assuming that there is a facility for you to do this), or you can wear overgears like Aerostitch suit and take it off when you get to work.

And yes, you must have reflective vest on while you're on post. I'm glad to see that some things haven't changed much since I left fifteen years ago.

On the weekends, you can wear your riding gears but you still have to have the reflective vest on while on post. When you get off post, you can wear whatever you like.

The military boots are no better or worse than a typical heavy duty work boots that many people wear for street riding.
fnfalman, you're actually not correct on riding for Department of Defense MILITARY personnel. They are required to wear ALL their gear, ALL the time on or off post, on or off duty! They are also required to wear a FULL reflective vest at all times. Should they get into a wreck or be found without proper gear, riding on or off post, they have the potential to get an Article 15 or not have proper benefits paid should the worse happen.
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Will I get into trouble if I wear say, during duty hours,....a leather riding jacket overtop my uniform, then take it off whenever I get where I am going?
If the other posts were unclear.
YES, you can wear a leather riding jacket over your uniform. If it has enough reflective material, it MAY even be enough to count as a reflective vest. (I know it was at Ft. Riley).

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Icon makes a decent reflective vest it comes in orange or yellow. just FYI.

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fnfalman, you're actually not correct on riding for Department of Defense MILITARY personnel. They are required to wear ALL their gear, ALL the time on or off post, on or off duty! They are also required to wear a FULL reflective vest at all times. Should they get into a wreck or be found without proper gear, riding on or off post, they have the potential to get an Article 15 or not have proper benefits paid should the worse happen.
That answered my question, thanks. Even a reflective vest, off base on duty OR off duty is required. That sucks man. Ill wear all my gear even offduty but the reflecto vest makes me sad.

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Icon makes a decent reflective vest it comes in orange or yellow. just FYI.
That they do , just got my Icon Catalog in the mail today. My mom said, "I should just throw it away." Love the support mom but I cant say that I blame ya.

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Briz is correct. There are Department of Defense and Department of the Army regulations / pamphlets governing the riding of motorcycles on military installations.

You MUST wear:

1. Helmet (at least DOT approved)
2. Eye coverage (not necessarily a visor, but you can wear goggles / shatter-proof glasses)
3. Full finger gloves
4. Over the ankle, preferably ALL-Leather boots but regular issue boots / work boots that you wear with your uniform will be fine.
5. Reflective VEST (either like a road-guard vest or the vest Icon makes)
6. Full length sleeve shirt (not necessarily a jacket, but can be a sweatshirt or something like that, just has to have sleeves that come down to your wrist)

If you take off your gear when you leave the base and something happens, or you DO NOT wear it when you are off duty and something happens, you will NOT be able to collect on benefits because you were not following regulations. I HAVE SEEN THIS DONE BEFORE TO PARENTS/FAMILY OF SERVICE MEMBERS WHO HAVE DIED ON A MOTORCYCLE

I actually have a friend here on Fort Bliss, that rode without proper gear, he got into an accident, not terribly hurt, but his chain of command found out how he was riding (without proper gear) and gave him an Article 15 as well as made him pay for the hospital bills.

A reflective belt, like what most units wear for PT, IS NOT AUTHORIZED WEAR for 'reflective clothing' on a motorcycle. If you also have a backpack when you ride on or off the base, you MUST put a reflective vest around the bag as well as yourself. The only way I've been able to get around that, and is authorized, is to cut up a reflective belt and then have a person with a sewing machine sew the belt onto my backpack.

If you have other questions, let me know. I deal with the DoD regulations and riding a motorcycle on a daily basis.
Graf, you already summed it up........I just recently gave a briefing on MC safety and everything he (graf) said is correct.
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Graf, you already summed it up........I just recently gave a briefing on MC safety and everything he (graf) said is correct.
Yeah, I fight with the people on my base all the time about it. I have to even carry the Regulations and Pamphlets around in my bag when I ride. I've told a lot of riders on my base the regs, they don't listen, or choose to listen, then they go on post (they let 'em through the gate), then an MP pulls them over and just starts writing tickets. Chain of command finds out about the tickets and they are then flucked by them cause they've given Article 15s, demotion, extra duty, etc, etc...
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ALSO it depends on what branch and where your getting stationed. in the AIR FORCE... when stationed in PAC AF you'll also have to ride on what ever you passed the riding course on. so if you've only taken the Beginners your stuck to <250cc. and you have to have 1 year of RIDING experience before you can progress to the Experienced riding course. Basically they're MAKING you start with a 250 for at least a year. luckily I had my beginners course done with when they started so I was grandfathered in. I have written several letters to PAC AF (Pacific Air Force Command) about their policy's for motorcycle riders. they were written by someone who DOES NOT ride and are basically a nice way of detouring ANYONE who is AD from Riding. My commander actually said if he could, he'd make it illegal for AD people to ride... it's not in line with good Operational Risk Management....

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ALSO it depends on what branch and where your getting stationed. in the AIR FORCE... when stationed in PAC AF you'll also have to ride on what ever you passed the riding course on. so if you've only taken the Beginners your stuck to <250cc. and you have to have 1 year of RIDING experience before you can progress to the Experienced riding course. Basically they're MAKING you start with a 250 for at least a year. luckily I had my beginners course done with when they started so I was grandfathered in. I have written several letters to PAC AF (Pacific Air Force Command) about their policy's for motorcycle riders. they were written by someone who DOES NOT ride and are basically a nice way of detouring ANYONE who is AD from Riding. My commander actually said if he could, he'd make it illegal for AD people to ride... it's not in line with good Operational Risk Management....

just a heads up
I'll most likely be stationed at Fort Bragg NC for Airborne right?

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