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Has anyone ever heard a story where a helmet DID NOT do its job?

I'm doing some serious research into my helmet search. A question dawned on me while reading reviews and first-hand experiences.

There are plenty of folks riding around with $500+ helmets and swear by Arai, Shoei, Suomy etc. These same people like to bash HJC and the Icon brand I've been looking at. Their argument is that it won't hold up in a crash, blah blah blah.

How do they know this?

So my question is this... Have you ever heard of a story where someone crashed and was hurt worse than they would have been if they'd worn a more expensive helmet?
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I think with the sheer amount of factors, real world comparisons aren't going to come along very often.

You may hear a story of a helmet splitting or something, but the accident could have done it to any helmet.

SImpley because every accident is different

But to be honest, I don't hear stories saying, thank god I wasn't wearing a helmet.

To me, they have to comply with regulations (at least down here), so even you cheaper ones are going to be better than nothing.

I know one of the main reason people swear by the big brands (other than plain old snobbery), is the higher the price, a lot of the time the better then fit and feel.


Just one last point, I'm sure someone, a magazine, would have tested brands against each other in some sort of study in years gone by, surely someone has thought of comparing the cheap to the elite.
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While I agree there are differences in fit and finish, certainly designs, and even features (visor removal, airflow)... as long as the helmets adhere to DOT and SNELL standards, wouldn't you think you're okay?
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Oops, that was a point I was leading up to when I mentioned regulations, but my mind forget to finish it off.

The government in their infinite wisdom have created certain standards, and generally when it comes to safety equipment the standards are quite good and therefore the product do exactly what they are meant to.

So the lower stuff will be good.

I'm not 100% sure they will be just as good as other brands, in the end, the best construction may make the difference between life and death.

Whilst I want to be the devils advocate and say "people who swear by big brands are just deluding themselves", wouldn't you rather have a helmet that goes far beyond the standards set down than one that simply meets them?

But with that said, money does not equal quality
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wouldn't you rather have a helmet that goes far beyond the standards set down than one that simply meets them?

But with that said, money does not equal quality
Oh certainly, and most helmets that meet the standards, exceed them as well. But how much? How can you calculate that?

In regard to the $ statement, you hit the nail on the head.
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This is why we need real testing, comparing brands.

Until then, the unwashed masses with equate $ to quality
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i wonder if consumer reports ever did a test on different brands of helmets..and to honest, when you are in wreck, its over in a matter of seconds or even quicker..so unless you are wearing a paper bag on your head, its going to do its job if its Dot/Snell certified...and since you really should replace your lid after its been involved in an accident, what you are mainly worrying about is it protecting your head from the initial impact that would happen, as well not coming apart as you go sliding/bouncing down the highway.

if its Dot/Snell, and you like it..Just get it! Im wearing a Vega lid..and its all good w/ me...costs me a fraction of a Shoei. Now if I could afford a new AGV or Shoei, would I get one, yeah sure probably but just because its cool to have one of those, and if I never get one, I wont sweat it.




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Ask Twisty - he has "tested" quite a few of them.. lol..

Actually from what I heard HJC and Icon are just as good as the overpriced brands such as Shoei and Arai - you are paying extra $ for the "cool" graphics - f**k that.. I will stick with the higher end HJC myself..

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Consumer Reports tested bicycle helmets not too long ago. The Snell ratings for motorcycle helmets are probably just as good tests as any that Consumer Reports would do. If two helmets that you like meet the same Snell ratings, get the one that fits, looks or costs the best.

You know why helmets cost so much? Lawyers, lawsuits, and litigation.
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Consumer Reports tested bicycle helmets not too long ago. The Snell ratings for motorcycle helmets are probably just as good tests as any that Consumer Reports would do. If two helmets that you like meet the same Snell ratings, get the one that fits, looks or costs the best.

You know why helmets cost so much? Lawyers, lawsuits, and litigation.

My initial reaction is to agree. However, low-cost manufacturers like Icon and Scorpion dispell that theory. Also, how can Arai or Shoei take the exact same helmet, mass produce some graphics and charge $50 -$100 more? Do riders with fancy graphics need lawyers more often? Nah.

Finally, Shoei and Arai could survive (and do) lawsuits on the volume of sales alone.

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I can never get over how the graphics make the helmet cost so much more.

And people still pay happily.

It's not like it is a one of a kind either
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people are like..Dude..he's got a Shoei lid, or hey, he's wearing an Arai..he's a beast!!! yeah whatever..the hit to his wallet is whats beastly..




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I have a high end HJC and it's nice. I like it and will not spend $400-$500 on a Arai or Shoei...forget that!!




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as long as the helmets adhere to DOT and SNELL standards, wouldn't you think you're okay?
Yes, they're "OK." It means they meet the minimum standards. I have an HJC, but I upgraded to an Arai Signet. Arai, Shoei, etc, go well beyond the minimums. THAT is why they can bring a higher price. There are detailed tests you can find online if you want to know specifics. I got a $500 Arai for $350 online last year.

Go onto one of the larger forums and ask the guys that race what they think about helmets that meat minimum standards and helmets that exceed them.

A helmet is not something you want to skimp on, IMO.

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